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Impeachment Resolution ‘Loophole’ Allows Democrats to Reject White House Witnesses

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posted on Nov, 1 2019 @ 01:45 AM
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a reply to: PilSungMtnMan

A "fully secured border" is not a thing. Anywhere. Even in what used to be East Berlin.

The use of the words "amnesty" and "illegal dreamers" in the same sentence shows that you really don't understand their situation or give a damn about them.


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posted on Nov, 1 2019 @ 01:47 AM
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a reply to: Phage

Ok. Enjoy your evening.



posted on Nov, 1 2019 @ 03:03 AM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Lumenari




So Schiff is going on record stating that he won't allow any witnesses that will harm his narrative.

Sounds more like he's gone on record as being interested in witnesses who can directly address evidence and testimony rather than merely provide ad hominem attacks on other witnesses.

Reasonable.


An interesting interpretation from you that does not surprise me at all.

Another interpretation that a rational person would surmise is that he is only allowing witnesses that help his narrative.

You know... Never-Trumpers and partisan hacks that will provide ad hominem attacks against the President that Schiff and the Democrats can use for sound bites to attempt to influence the 2020 election.

Otherwise he would allow witnesses from both political persuasions, would he not?

Both sides should be represented in this impeachment inquiry and they are not.

You are quite OK with that because "By Any Means Necessary."

History is not going to be on your side.



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posted on Nov, 1 2019 @ 04:30 AM
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I doubt that Breitbart.com has the resources to even understand the bill:


SEC. 2. Open and transparent investigative proceedings by the Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence.

For the purpose of continuing the investigation described in the first section of this resolution, the Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence (referred to in this resolution as the “Permanent Select Committee”) is authorized to conduct proceedings pursuant to this resolution as follows:

(1) The chair of the Permanent Select Committee shall designate an open hearing or hearings pursuant to this section.

(2) Notwithstanding clause 2(j)(2) of rule XI of the Rules of the House of Representatives, upon recognition by the chair for such purpose under this paragraph during any hearing designated pursuant to paragraph (1), the chair and ranking minority member of the Permanent Select Committee shall be permitted to question witnesses for equal specified periods of longer than five minutes, as determined by the chair. The time available for each period of questioning under this paragraph shall be equal for the chair and the ranking minority member. The chair may confer recognition for multiple periods of such questioning, but each period of questioning shall not exceed 90 minutes in the aggregate. Only the chair and ranking minority member, or a Permanent Select Committee employee if yielded to by the chair or ranking minority member, may question witnesses during such periods of questioning. At the conclusion of questioning pursuant to this paragraph, the committee shall proceed with questioning under the five-minute rule pursuant to clause 2(j)(2)(A) of rule XI.

(3) To allow for full evaluation of minority witness requests, the ranking minority member may submit to the chair, in writing, any requests for witness testimony relevant to the investigation described in the first section of this resolution within 72 hours after notice is given for the first hearing designated pursuant to paragraph (1). Any such request shall be accompanied by a detailed written justification of the relevance of the testimony of each requested witness to the investigation described in the first section of this resolution.

(4) (A) The ranking minority member of the Permanent Select Committee is authorized, with the concurrence of the chair, to require, as deemed necessary to the investigation—

(i) by subpoena or otherwise—

(I) the attendance and testimony of any person (including at a taking of a deposition); and

(II) the production of books, records, correspondence, memoranda, papers, and documents; and

(ii) by interrogatory, the furnishing of information.

(B) In the case that the chair declines to concur in a proposed action of the ranking minority member pursuant to subparagraph (A), the ranking minority member shall have the right to refer to the committee for decision the question whether such authority shall be so exercised and the chair shall convene the committee promptly to render that decision, subject to the notice procedures for a committee meeting under clause 2(g)(3)(A) and (B) of rule XI.

(C) Subpoenas and interrogatories so authorized may be signed by the ranking minority member, and may be served by any person designated by the ranking minority member.

(5) The chair is authorized to make publicly available in electronic form the transcripts of depositions conducted by the Permanent Select Committee in furtherance of the investigation described in the first section of this resolution, with appropriate redactions for classified and other sensitive information.

(6) The Permanent Select Committee is directed to issue a report setting forth its findings and any recommendations and appending any information and materials the Permanent Select Committee may deem appropriate with respect to the investigation described in the first section of this resolution. The chair shall transmit such report and appendices, along with any supplemental, minority, additional, or dissenting views filed pursuant to clause 2(l) of rule XI, to the Committee on the Judiciary and make such report publicly available in electronic form, with appropriate redactions to protect classified and other sensitive information. The report required by this paragraph shall be prepared in consultation with the chairs of the Committee on Foreign Affairs and the Committee on Oversight and Reform.


Now help me find the part in this where someone can refuse or throw out a witness requested for by the White House.



posted on Nov, 1 2019 @ 08:12 AM
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originally posted by: ManFromEurope
I doubt that Breitbart.com has the resources to even understand the bill:



It's not in the bill, it's in the Impeachment Inquiry Procedures in the Committee on the Judiciary Pursuant to H. Res. 660

rules.house.gov...
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posted on Nov, 1 2019 @ 10:00 AM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Lumenari




So Schiff is going on record stating that he won't allow any witnesses that will harm his narrative.

Sounds more like he's gone on record as being interested in witnesses who can directly address evidence and testimony rather than merely provide ad hominem attacks on other witnesses.

Reasonable.


Im sorry but destroying witneses testimony is a hallmark of our justice system and not allowing a cross examination to destroy their stories is just wrong.



posted on Nov, 1 2019 @ 12:03 PM
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originally posted by: Pyle
The other 2 times had Special Prosecutors do the investigation, the house is having to investigate the Ukraine matter on their own.

So different circumstances leads to different actions.

Total BS. All the House needs to do is appoint one if that is what they want. They don't. Doing it this way is the only chance in h3ll they have of pulling this off, and I still think there is a very good chance they won;t get the votes for the final actual impeachment vote.



posted on Nov, 1 2019 @ 03:52 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
Impeachment is not a trial.


That is true in today's instance.

There is not going to be any due process allowed.

The accused is assumed to be guilty, and not allowed to prove his innocence.

He will be punished (impeachment) without the right to counsel.

That is the Democratic Party way, proven by the new rules.

Will they now codify that into US law?



posted on Nov, 1 2019 @ 03:53 PM
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originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Lumenari




So Schiff is going on record stating that he won't allow any witnesses that will harm his narrative.

Sounds more like he's gone on record as being interested in witnesses who can directly address evidence and testimony rather than merely provide ad hominem attacks on other witnesses.

Reasonable.


Im sorry but destroying witneses testimony is a hallmark of our justice system and not allowing a cross examination to destroy their stories is just wrong.


It is not just wrong, but it is illegal to prevent the accused from any defense.

But that is the new Democratic Party justice system.



posted on Nov, 1 2019 @ 04:10 PM
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The impeachment inquiry resolution put forth by House Democrats includes a “loophole” that would give the majority party, or Democrats, on the Judiciary Committee the power to reject witnesses requested by the White House, Roll Call reports.


Between this and Schiff telling witness's not to answer Gop questions.

How much more proof does one need to know this whole thing is BULLCRAP?
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posted on Nov, 1 2019 @ 05:02 PM
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They're relying on televising this on national t.v.? The problem is that most of America has turned of mainstream television and the media networks of the past. Major networks morning and evening news broadcasts are biased and have been filled with relentless bashing tactics and hate for years now. Instead, most people are going to internet based news sources where you can customize your news feed. A lot of people I know block out the political forum news anyway tailoring their news to more positive subjects.

I predict the Dems are going to lose so bad this next election because the perception is that they are turning on America. I lot of people I've heard are voting Trump because of this bashing and are sick of the news networks period! These are people that have not voted in decades. People are going to turn out in record numbers for Trump thanks to Pelosi. The one positive thing about this is that voter turnout will be bigger than ever. Not the dismall voter turnouts of the past.



posted on Nov, 1 2019 @ 06:09 PM
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'No further discussion': Talks halt between whistleblower lawyers and Schiff staff amid expectation he won’t testify

www.washingtonexaminer.com... e-wont-testify?fbclid=IwAR0fxRhJNW9mPZstRxl1inF1Y-Cl9KJfmlPu-9tXAxj36XK9jINLM82gJyI



posted on Nov, 1 2019 @ 07:02 PM
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a reply to: Stormdancer777

I think the "Whistleblower" has been compromised and reduced to a zer0.

Nancy Pelosi said last night that if it wasn't for the whistleblower, the impeachment thing would be zer0.

She didn't even realize she gave the whole scam away with one statement. Like maybe (probably) the "Whistleblower" hoax was "created" from a zer0.00 and now the "wrong" people know it !!!! 😃



posted on Nov, 1 2019 @ 07:20 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: Stormdancer777

I think the "Whistleblower" has been compromised and reduced to a zer0.

Nancy Pelosi said last night that if it wasn't for the whistleblower, the impeachment thing would be zer0.

She didn't even realize she gave the whole scam away with one statement. Like maybe (probably) the "Whistleblower" hoax was "created" from a zer0.00 and now the "wrong" people know it !!!! 😃


Yes, 0 is still pulling strings.



posted on Nov, 1 2019 @ 09:42 PM
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originally posted by: Phage
A "fully secured border" is not a thing. Anywhere. Even in what used to be East Berlin.

Obviously ... you never stood watch on the Forward Edge of Freedom.

Lucky people got through. The extremely lucky, mind you.



posted on Nov, 1 2019 @ 09:45 PM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: PilSungMtnMan

A "fully secured border" is not a thing. Anywhere. Even in what used to be East Berlin.

The use of the words "amnesty" and "illegal dreamers" in the same sentence shows that you really don't understand their situation or give a damn about them.



We all know where you are coming from with this one post alone....

Lolz🤪

Trump=Hitler



posted on Nov, 2 2019 @ 12:48 AM
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Talk about loopholes...a major loophole goes the other way too. I was hoping Trump would be cooperative with all this pre-impeachment crap since not showing or cooperating is illegal and that is a fact laid out for just hearings in general in Congress for anyone and the president is not excluded or immune from charges regarding conduct during such proceedings

HOWEVER...Where the loophole comes in is that should an actual impeachment take place, and it seems it will, he is able to decide to just not show up since there is nothing prohibiting such behavior. Not attending the impeachment, as I have heard by a number of sources in positions which put them in "the know" regarding such things. The penalty for not cooperating or not attending the impeachment proceedings would be each infractions an added reason to cite for impeachment. But fact is it is not a crime to have one, two, five, or a hundred twenty-six cited incidents for which to call for impeachment against you. It simply means there's a "list" somewhere or in the dems' minds which is ever growing in length but there is nothing they can do to remove you from office unless the vote in the end is against you and then upheld by 3/4s of the Senate I believe is the count needed in which case you would be officially the ex-president and likely removed from the white house if you didn't move out on your own.

It is what he should do. My god the weiners would be having tantrums and meltdowns in the middle of every street in the country ND committing suicide again as people did after the concession made by news networks that he was indeed president elect, a handful of suicides over it. I remember hearing on at least four or five occasions too, black people who were enraged by his election and warning the nation that Trump already made it clear that Slavery would be un-abolished and reimplemented. Kid you not, people still have their videos on YouTube warning he would commit genocide on Latinos and Muslims and blacks would be sold again as slaves. It truly is unbelievable that we live at a time people can be and in large numbers such a of complete worthless nonfunctioning moronic waste of carbon which could be acting as dust or being pressed into a lil diamond but is sadly making up some Weiner whom an amoeba would see and develop a superiority/god-complex over.

But he should also do it just because the country is not doing it's part. To say it should start now is already so late it's absurd. Cuz it's not just wrong it's so unacceptable it's criminal IMHO that our nations very well paid and even better perked legislative body has conducted no business and fulfilled none of it's obligations or duties for an entire presidential term and it looks like that will be the case till the end and even after as I am 100% certain if they are willing to let issues with urgent bills addressing them just sit and fester in stagnation for four years as they make fools out of themselves and not even a little convincingly so to anyone other than millennials (and we all see their brilliance and competency for reason and logic) then we can rest assured they will also be planning multiple illegal scams regarding the upcoming election. I have a feeling they may even win. Fraudulently of course but they will cover it up. And we won't lash out. As we don't lash out now. Didn't last out when we murdered 1.7 million people and turned one of the most advanced nations on Earth into a garbage dump and turned tens of thousands of our children into murderers for hire by pretending they were in a fight against the clock to prevent a tragic attack using illegal weaponry and weaponized biology/nuclear arms/chemical weapons. We didn't lash out when 911 happened and so many descrepencies glared while for thousands of years, usually what happens simply happens and all elements of it align with one another. It didn't even make the news for a second day when in one fiscal year, Congress lost track of TWENTY ONE TRILLION DOLLARS with no receipt or recollection of where it could be nor do we lash out looking at how well the population of Denmark or Norway lives then consider that we are HUNDREDS if not THOUSANDS of times richer meaning every single person in the United States would be living such a rich, fulfilled, luxurious life in comparison and the government would literally have in the neighborhood of a million or ten million dollars it could invest into each citizen but we instead end up like any European countries standard of living or maybe even lower simply because in the last 10 to 20 years alone, an estimated 150,000,000,000,000.00 dollars....that is 150 MILLION, MILLION dollar bills...has been syphoned off to the secret programs....not that develop technology we make use of, not that funds our military operations that's all paid for with the budget already, but on a lot of secret # we will never see, we will never know, breakaway societies of elites, Utopias, underground system of armed government which holds us and our government enslaved, and most of all, simply making anyone who gets close enough to the source very very rich for generations till the end of time and it all starts with high ranking military, CIA, and Congress.

The fact even a single person on American soil is homelesssz hungry, etc is crime enough but if people could wrap their heads around the true extent of crime our government has allowed to be perpetrated on every last one of us, who is president would not matter at all...because people would truly rage at the fact not every person in the country has a mansion, every family a helicopter, every extended family a vineyard and chateau, any unemployed or hungry person for the foreseeable future paid wages that surpass executive management salary in any other country for the next 10,000 years all put aside, that there is a war on drugs and our wealth hasn't allowed legalization of substances and medicalization of abuse habits, not criminalization...people don't understand the amount of money that was all of ours...that our forefathers masterfully used to build a self sustaining nation a true Utopia to which our grandparents and moms and dads and ourselves all put sweat and years and blood into....that we are talking a country so rich nothing like it has ever been seen nothing has come close nothing ever will be. And yet we live like any Brit or Frenchman or Dane (no offense) simply because we sit back and let ourselves be raped and violated beyond comprehension when every last person in the fed, 97 or 98 out of every 100 legislators, and every person perpetuating the breakaway rogue CIA and military industrial complex and for a large part, with one of the most common ends being that people who are "elite" can screw all the children they want...of course among other reasons...and every last person who knew specifics...should be taken into the local square tomorrow at sun-up and strung up for the most inhuman heinous torture and execution the world can come up with. Everything that should be our reward, our legacy, our success, and the reaping of the hardships sown by our grandparents is gone. All of it. Not just that but it's all gone and we are in debt with Fiat paper holding us up waiting to buckle.

It's a distraction, the entire presidency and three house system and illusion of democracy. But it's time for a Renaissance altogether. Qestion what and why is government and have we passed the point for new way of life?



posted on Nov, 2 2019 @ 01:02 AM
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And u bet your butts they know this line of thought is beginning and will boom over the next 50 years and there is only one way to stop it and keep the heirarchal system of high class superiors and inferior plebs. And that is by corralling the populations of the 99% into population centers and start loosening grip on technologies which allow total complete and utter around the clock surveillance of every person, his habits, his actions, his thoughts, and his words. Coincidentally the worldwide adopted agenda 21 does these things. And just by luck of course, not conspiracy or design, you have the new generation one made up of total ninnies who won't life a finger to anything and will away this way and that at the drop of a hat if the right source of tech says to and the first generation who is infatuated with big brother and begging him to come watch us all so nobody of any condition, characteristic, or identity is ever made to feel bad and just so happen to favor implementing a system of watch which exactly mirrors how a dying class system would want to see things set to stay forever part of the royals and keep working and productive the serfs but never have to cross their filthy paths. I am so torn between what I think about the impeachment thing and knowing it's ALLLLLLLLLLL such BS given what is coming and will arrive before we even know it it drives me mad. But as I am the only mad one, taking action would make me a criminal. We're anyone else to agree it would be a golden revolution and final stand for humanity and decency and good. In the end though it is likely human character will be its own undoing.



posted on Nov, 2 2019 @ 03:13 AM
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originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: Pyle
The other 2 times had Special Prosecutors do the investigation, the house is having to investigate the Ukraine matter on their own.

So different circumstances leads to different actions.

Total BS. All the House needs to do is appoint one if that is what they want. They don't. Doing it this way is the only chance in h3ll they have of pulling this off, and I still think there is a very good chance they won;t get the votes for the final actual impeachment vote.


The house can’t get a special prosecutor/independent counsel, as they don’t exist anymore in law. If I remember correctly only the DOJ can now appoint a sepecial counsel and AG Barr has already rubber stamped the president’s actions and is stonewalling congress, so I doubt he will play ball and appoint one for congress.



posted on Nov, 2 2019 @ 10:59 AM
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originally posted by: Pyle
The house can’t get a special prosecutor/independent counsel, as they don’t exist anymore in law. If I remember correctly only the DOJ can now appoint a sepecial counsel and AG Barr has already rubber stamped the president’s actions and is stonewalling congress, so I doubt he will play ball and appoint one for congress.

You are mistaken. "The House of Representatives" has the sole Power of Impeachment. IF they want to hire A special prosecutor to assist I'm sure they could.



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