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The Drake Equation Fallacy

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posted on Nov, 20 2019 @ 09:24 AM
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originally posted by: Blue_Jay33
For example in America under 10% of the population are true atheists believing that statement, so you have a super minority opinion.


How is that an example of anything? That's an irrelevant appeal to popularity fallacy which says nothing. FYI, atheism is actually growing (and Christianity declining) faster than it ever has in the US and that's a fact based on the most recent Pew data.


However nearly 1,000 professional philosophers from 99 leading departments of philosophy shows that 72.8% considered themselves as atheists, so it seems philosophy makes people over think it all, and think they know better than what they perceive to be the uneducated masses.


LOL! Your posted has zero to do with anything I said. Try not to fail so hard next time. Arguing popularity and philosopher opinion about god doesn't say anything about probability or scientific evidence supporting evolution.




posted on Nov, 20 2019 @ 09:28 AM
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originally posted by: carsforkids
a reply to: Barcs




It doesn't. Evolution is about how life changes over time, not the origin. You really need to educate yourself, a simple google search could have answered that for you.


Why so I can lose all common sense like you? I could've written your answer for you.


So being an uneducated ignoramus is considered common sense to you? No wonder you are so confused here and don't grasp a lick of science, logic or math!



Science doesn't work that way because everything science does is in a laboratory.


False.


You have absolutely no proof that any of what science postulates can happen in a
hostile environment.


HUH? Look up Miller Urey, you are just regurgitating pure nonsense again.


why isn't it happening some where out there right now?


You answered your own question in the previous statement. The environment has changed. This is the most ignorant childish point you've made yet. Who has no common sense again?



posted on Nov, 20 2019 @ 09:37 AM
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originally posted by: cooperton
1) There is no complete fossil of any of the theoretical missing links leading up to homo sapien, despite a theoretical 25 million years of time for such fossils to accumulate


And that makes the fossil specimens wrong? This is an idiotic argument that has already been debunked many times. Where is your refutation of the fossil they DID find? Funny how you ignore all those, but nitpick nonsense.


2) Dinosaurs undoubtedly lived alongside humans, further reinforced by carbon dating and soft-tissue being found in dinosaur remains summary (link)


That crap has been debunked for years bro and all that has already been explained to you but you don't care.


3) There is no laboratory evidence that an organism can change into another organism, despite millions of generations of labs attempting to do so around the world


False. Another blatant lie.


4) There is no demonstration that a novel functional protein can be created from a previously functionless protein via random mutations.


Not how evolution works. More dishonesty.


5) Epigenetics is the main factor that allows organisms to adapt,


Bahahahaha! You #ing liar!


but by its nature does not allow change outside of a particular bound. The mechanisms that were once assumed to be evolution at work are actually just an already set genome changing expression up and down within a particular boundary.


You know zilch about epigenetics LOL.


Of course there is. ALL universal laws act according to very intelligent meticulous patterns that have been perpetuating since the beginning of written history.


It's funny how you selectively deny ANY science supporting evolution, yet champion any type of BS you can to argue God. It's pathetically dishonest, as always. LMFAO @ intelligent meticulous patterns perpetuating since the beginning of written history. What kind of pretentious buffoonery is that!?

Name a single test or experiment you can do to test the existence of god? You literally got nothing so you make dishonest assumptions based on loose associations in word pasta but deny scientific research. It's comically bad, bro.


Electromagnetism
thermodynamics
Kinetics
E = mc2
etc, etc, etc, all act according to very precise laws. All laws known to humankind were created by something intelligent. Intelligence is a requirement for ordered systems to be created and perpetuate.


LMFAO! None of that shows any evidence of being designed. You just state presuppositions as fact. Pretty weak, but this is expected.



For you to keep saying there is no evidence for intelligence is extremely unintelligent.


For you to keep saying there is evidence for intelligent design, but not evolution is some of the most dishonest nonsense I've ever heard. Just another uneducated creationist pretending to know more about science than actual scientists and pretending you can just selectively disregard any research that counters your presuppositions.


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posted on Nov, 20 2019 @ 09:48 AM
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LOL @ creative artwork being called evidence of dinosaurs living with humans. So I guess The X-men are real since we have art depicting them. There's no way they could have just thought of that without an influence LOL.

This is now the official short bus thread. This is like little kids that just learned basic addition and subtraction arguing against calculus.
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posted on Nov, 20 2019 @ 10:18 AM
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LOL @ creative artwork being called evidence

So you do believe the artwork was created right?

No reason to look for an explanation other than design? Am I right?

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posted on Nov, 20 2019 @ 01:52 PM
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originally posted by: Barcs

And that makes the fossil specimens wrong? This is an idiotic argument that has already been debunked many times. Where is your refutation of the fossil they DID find? Funny how you ignore all those, but nitpick nonsense.

That crap has been debunked for years bro and all that has already been explained to you but you don't care.

False. Another blatant lie.

Not how evolution works. More dishonesty.

Bahahahaha! You #ing liar!


You know zilch about epigenetics LOL.

It's funny how you selectively deny ANY science supporting evolution, yet champion any type of BS you can to argue God. It's pathetically dishonest, as always. LMFAO @ intelligent meticulous patterns perpetuating since the beginning of written history. What kind of pretentious buffoonery is that!?




Notice how he just barks? Barc, barc, barc, no real substance. What a waste of time.


originally posted by: carsforkids

So you do believe the artwork was created right?

No reason to look for an explanation other than design? Am I right?


Don't even give him attention, he is an automaton
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posted on Nov, 20 2019 @ 02:11 PM
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a reply to: cooperton


Notice how he just barks? Barc, barc, barc, no real substance. What a waste of time.


And yet, you did not answer his question
You deem to cherry pick a lot in this thread!



posted on Nov, 20 2019 @ 04:01 PM
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a reply to: cooperton

Of course, like always, you don't have a single rebuttal to anything just denial of hard science while embracing delusion as absolute truth. Pathetically dishonest, but that's par for the course with creationists.



posted on Nov, 22 2019 @ 06:45 PM
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originally posted by: Jay-morris
a reply to: turbonium1


It's incredibly sad, and ironic, that a book which speaks of loving all others, to treat others as you wish others treat you, would be twisted around, into a call to arms, for the purpose of slaughtering innocent people who did nothing to them, except for not accepting a religion, which would appear to them, encourages the murder and destruction of those who don't worship such evils as God's wish.


So, are you saying there is no verses in the bible where God commands the death of innocent men, women and children. Are you really saying that?


It's incredibly sad, and ironic, that a book which speaks of loving all others, to treat others as you wish others treat you, would be twisted around, into a call to arms, for the purpose of slaughtering innocent people who did nothing to them, except for not accepting a religion, which would appear to them, encourages the murder and destruction of those who don't worship such evils as God's wish.


So, are you saying God did not command the deaths of innocent men, women and children in the bible? Are you really saying that?


Science is the new religion, preaching to the ignorant masses, who follow them as God-like figures, above mere mortals. It's a scary thing, indeed.


I agree with you to a certain extent here, only becsuse this is a human thing. A lot of humans need to worship something, be it God, devil, science etc But at least there is truth in science, something we most of the times can measure.
Was it religon thatccured a lot of diseases, told us how planets, suns and galaxies formed. Told us about atoms and particles? No, it was science.



The lies in the name of science outweigh any truths spoken, that's the problem.

It doesn't make sense God would order the murder of innocent people, because of everything ELSE said in the Bible about murder. When there is a conflict like that, I question the validity of it. God would not want to murder innocent people, and that's why God would not act so opposite his own wishes. That's totally hypocritical, and absurd. It was humans who put that into the Bible, I believe. Otherwise, it makes no sense.

Why would you think God would desire to murder innocent people, while consistently saying that nobody should ever kill another human, throughout most of the Bible? It doesn't make sense, right?

So if it doesn't make sense, then there has to be another reason it's in the Bible. Which is that humans tampered with the Bible, and put it in.


Why are you ignoring everything God says about love, and caring for one another, to focus on just the very worst things, which are so small, compared to all the rest?


It's like you have an agenda, to disparage God, the Bible, as something evil, and horrible...



posted on Nov, 23 2019 @ 01:19 AM
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a reply to: cooperton




Don't even give him attention, he is an automaton


I can't help it and I know you could be right. But then I cried when
the lights went out in The Terminators head. So there ya go!





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posted on Nov, 23 2019 @ 01:30 AM
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a reply to: Jay-morris




And yet, you did not answer his question You deem to cherry pick a lot in this thread!


I don't see either one f you answering the simplest questions I posed.

And you write of cherry picking and ignorance?

What's the matter? Your position of ignorance leave you vulnerable?




posted on Nov, 23 2019 @ 10:35 AM
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So you are cherry picking the bible! Thank you for proving my point! So on one hand, you say the bible is the word of God, but on the other hand, you are saying the bad stuff in the bible, where God commanded the deaths of innocent people, is a lie and written by humans!

You have just proved my point!



posted on Nov, 23 2019 @ 10:36 AM
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originally posted by: carsforkids
a reply to: Jay-morris




And yet, you did not answer his question You deem to cherry pick a lot in this thread!


I don't see either one f you answering the simplest questions I posed.

And you write of cherry picking and ignorance?

What's the matter? Your position of ignorance leave you vulnerable?








Lol why are you lying! Please tell me where I to get your questions? Still waiting for your evidence that the bible prove a there is a God. A question you seem to ignore!



posted on Nov, 23 2019 @ 03:14 PM
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originally posted by: Barcs
a reply to: cooperton

Of course, like always, you don't have a single rebuttal to anything


Dear dog,

I can't remember one single time where you posted anything relevant, beyond insults and hyperbolic claims. You literally are true to your name... you do nothing but barc. bark bark bark bark. It's ruff trying to converse with you, impossible even. I'll throw you a bone though, because your blind zealous faith in random mutant material manifestation of life is impressive granted the total lack of empirical evidence to support it.

Seriously, dog-track back to your last post and see if you said anything substantial or scientific. It consists only of hyperbole and irrelevant insult.

You're all barc no bite



posted on Nov, 24 2019 @ 07:38 AM
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Of course, like always, you don't have a single rebuttal to anything just denial of hard science while embracing delusion as absolute truth. Pathetically dishonest, but that's par for the course with creationists.



You just denied the evidence that dinosaurs living with man. And the fact
that even archaeologist's believe ancient peoples only depicted observations
in their artwork. And you claim we're "Pathetically dishonest and in denial?

Is that how science works hombre?

No wonder science is like try'n to find a black cat in a room with no light.
You don't even know if there's a cat. lol




As our circle of knowledge expands, so does the circumference of darkness surrounding it.


Albert Einstein
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posted on Nov, 24 2019 @ 08:04 AM
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You just denied the evidence that dinosaurs living with man. And the fact
that even archaeologist's believe ancient peoples only depicted observations
in their artwork. And you claim we're "Pathetically dishonest and in denial?

Is that how science works hombre?

No wonder science is like try'n to find a black cat in a room with no light.
You don't even know if there's a cat. lol


Have you heard of Waldemar Julsrud? I bet you have not! This is one of the people cooperton used as evidence for humans living with dinosaurs. Absolute rubbish! Waldemar Julsruds collection is dubious at best! It's obvious cooperton just typed "proof humans lived with dinosaurs" into Google, and hoped for the best!

If human did live eith dinosaurs (which they did not) why was this not mentioned in the bible? Why was the death of the dinosaurs not mentioned in the bible?

It's embarressing the examples he has used. Obviously, he has not researched them. But hey, as long as they fit his belief system!

Here is an example

I could go on and on, but what's the point?
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posted on Nov, 24 2019 @ 08:52 AM
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If human did live eith dinosaurs (which they did not) why was this not mentioned in the bible? Why was the death of the dinosaurs not mentioned in the bible?

I'm astonished by your response! I shall retort!

They didn't have the word Dinosaur when the Bible was written.
Also the Bible doesn't mention sharks of penguins the walrus.
Did they all die out too?



posted on Nov, 24 2019 @ 09:00 AM
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originally posted by: carsforkids
a reply to: Jay-morris




If human did live eith dinosaurs (which they did not) why was this not mentioned in the bible? Why was the death of the dinosaurs not mentioned in the bible?

I'm astonished by your response! I shall retort!

They didn't have the word Dinosaur when the Bible was written.
Also the Bible doesn't mention sharks of penguins the walrus.
Did they all die out too?


Astonished lololol Dinosaurs would have been the top of the food chain, and they were all wiped out! , and none of this is mentioned in the bible? Seriously! Use some logic here! Why does the bible not talk about a catastrophic evidence that almost wiped out all species on earth?

It mentions the stupid flood story where somehow Noah built a boat to house two of every living thing in the world, even though he would have to travel the world to get all those living creatures. And how about the millions of insect species lololololol

Oh, but that story is true! lol



posted on Nov, 24 2019 @ 09:04 AM
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a reply to: Jay-morris

It was astonishing because you gave a decent response Einstein!



posted on Nov, 24 2019 @ 09:19 AM
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originally posted by: carsforkids
a reply to: Jay-morris

It was astonishing because you gave a decent response Einstein!



Not hard to give a decent response when it comes to this rubbish!







 
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