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The Drake Equation Fallacy

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posted on Nov, 16 2019 @ 06:38 AM
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a reply to: Jay-morris

Then what are you asking for?




posted on Nov, 16 2019 @ 06:51 AM
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originally posted by: carsforkids
a reply to: Jay-morris

Then what are you asking for?



This might have gone over your head, but we are on a forum. Now, a lot of these forums are for debate, right? Just thought I would give you a heads up on that!

You started this thread, and amazingly, you have not backed up anything you have said. You have ignored and dodged posts. But not just you, other religous fanatics have come on here too eith their BS. Some even claiming we have no evidence of other galaxies lololol

You all have different opinions to suit your beliefs. But one thing you all have in common, not evidence!



posted on Nov, 16 2019 @ 07:10 AM
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a reply to: Jay-morris

You insanely just keep going around circles.
How is it you can ask for evidence of something that doesn't exist?
There's plenty of evidence for me.

I keep telling you the whole universe is evidence and then you just
keep asking for evidence. So I don't know if you've flipped out on me
or what the problem is with you?

Did you even watch the vid I put up on the previous page?
I've never seen anything like you before.

Can't debate anything with someone who just goes in circles.
Do you think you're gonna win something here or IDK?
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posted on Nov, 16 2019 @ 07:29 AM
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 keep telling you the whole universe is evidence and then you just


Please tell me how this is evidence that the bible is the word of God? You have given absolutly no evidence to back this up!

So please! Evidence that this proves the bible is the word of God!



posted on Nov, 16 2019 @ 07:46 AM
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So please! Evidence that this proves the bible is the word of God!

What else could it be?
Sorry I don't have an autographed copy!

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posted on Nov, 16 2019 @ 07:54 AM
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originally posted by: carsforkids
a reply to: Jay-morris




So please! Evidence that this proves the bible is the word of God!

What else could it be?
Sorry I don't have an autographed copy!


That's not an answer! Post evidence that this proves that the bible is the word of God? It's not a hard question!



posted on Nov, 16 2019 @ 08:00 AM
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That's not an answer! Post evidence that this proves that the bible is the word of God? It's not a hard question!


lol Then you answer it. lol



posted on Nov, 16 2019 @ 08:19 AM
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originally posted by: carsforkids
a reply to: Jay-morris




That's not an answer! Post evidence that this proves that the bible is the word of God? It's not a hard question!


So, you cannot answer a simple question like that! You ask me to answer it! Again, one more time! Show me evidence that the bible is the word of God!?

lol Then you answer it. lol



posted on Nov, 16 2019 @ 08:24 AM
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I thought the topic was supposed to be the Drake equation. No one can ever stick to the actual subject, have to keep attacking the players instead of the ball. Learn to play nice.



posted on Nov, 16 2019 @ 08:43 AM
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originally posted by: TzarChasm
I thought the topic was supposed to be the Drake equation. No one can ever stick to the actual subject, have to keep attacking the players instead of the ball. Learn to play nice.


Well, when it comes down to it, the OP was basically saying God was responsible for the universe. Specifically, the God from the bible. Nothing wrong with asking for the evidence that the God from the bible was the one who made everything.

It's a debate. Generally, that's what this site is all about!



posted on Nov, 16 2019 @ 08:46 AM
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opposition to the drake equation - presented in this thread is pure cultist dogma - devoid of any science or reason



posted on Nov, 16 2019 @ 10:09 AM
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originally posted by: ignorant_ape
a reply to: TzarChasm

opposition to the drake equation - presented in this thread is pure cultist dogma - devoid of any science or reason



The values in the Drake Equation after "Rate of star formation" (basically "how many stars are there?) are moot points when it comes to the countering the religious dogmatists.

It doesn't matter how many other examples of intelligent life are out there, but rather that there any are out there at all. Given the sheer size and scope of the entire universe, I think it seems virtually impossible (a probability curve very closely approaching zero) for there NOT to be intelligent life elsewhere.

When it comes to countering the idea that some supreme being created the universe solely for Earth Humans and 'we are it' when it comes to intelligent life, it doesn't matter one bit whether intelligent ETs are in our solar system's neighborhood, halfway across the galaxy, on the other side of the galaxy, or not any until a couple of galaxies over. All that matters is if at least one other example exists somewhere, anywhere.

We can ignore the Drake equation completely and still see that it is a virtual certainty for there to be other intelligent life in the universe, because of the almost unimaginable number of places that life could be.


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posted on Nov, 16 2019 @ 10:19 AM
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originally posted by: Soylent Green Is People

originally posted by: ignorant_ape
a reply to: TzarChasm

opposition to the drake equation - presented in this thread is pure cultist dogma - devoid of any science or reason



The values in the Drake Equation after "Rate of star formation" (basically "how many stars are there?) are moot points when it comes to the countering the religious dogmatists.

It doesn't matter how many other examples of intelligent life are out there, but rather that there any are out there at all. Given the sheer size and scope of the entire universe, I think it seems virtually impossible (a probability curve very closely approaching zero) for there NOT to be intelligent life elsewhere.

When it comes to countering the idea that some supreme being created the universe solely for Earth Humans and 'we are it' when it comes to intelligent life, it doesn't matter on bit whether intelligent ETs are in our solar system's neighborhood, halfway across the galaxy, on the other side of the galaxy, or not any until a couple of galaxies over. All that matters is if at least one other example exists somewhere, anywhere.

We can ignore the Drake equation completely and still see that it is a virtual certainty for there to be other intelligent life in the universe, because of the almost unimaginable number of places that life could be.



I believe we eill find some form of life in our own solar system. Just a matter of time. But the problem here is, if we do find intelligent life in the universe, then to the people in this thread, they will say they are demons, just to fit their beliefs.



posted on Nov, 16 2019 @ 11:46 AM
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originally posted by: carsforkids
And Barcs can't stand to lose. As for me I'm off this merry go round so
take your parting shots back slap and punch your time cards Or stick
around and impress everyone some more with the brightness of your
wisdoms.


Just stop. Everything you said got thoroughly refuted, you don't even have a dog in the fight here. It's funny how after being utterly dismantled, you just assert that you are right and I am wrong and claim victory. You couldn't even argue against the majority of points I made.


You pretentiously tried to associate atheism today with crime when almost all of the data suggests the exact opposite, that atheists are actually the least violent demographic today in regards to religion or theism. Then you began insulting other demographic groups like LGBTQ by bringing up San Fransisco. Your posts lack substance, they are mostly incoherent rants.

Don't get upset and offended, use this as a learning experience, so the next time you don't come off so ignorant. Research things before you talk about em. Just saying. Ironically I have faith in you



posted on Nov, 16 2019 @ 11:58 AM
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originally posted by: carsforkids
This thread details perfectly for all to see the atheist is only interested
in a limited amount of evidence set by the protocols of science. Science
limits it self to the study only of natural reality. And the only reason I can
see, is demonstrated perfectly in this thread.


No, this thread perfectly demonstrates that theists are very often completely ignorant and incapable of staying on topic as a result. This is what happens when your argument has a flimsy foundation and is poorly researched. It requires numerous red herrings and distractions, hence why nobody is even discussing the main topic of the thread anymore.

I tried discussing the topic many times. I pointed out precisely how Coop and others were not understanding that drake equation wasn't considered science and what a probability theory is and how their assumptions about intelligent design didn't matter in it. Every time the response back was denial and deflection.

Go read the thread again. It's obvious as day, but I get that when you live behind the wall of a delusion, it's difficult to see what's on the other side. The topic has been over for several days, and has been proved to be nothing more than creationists not understanding the difference between science, math and logic. Par for the course.




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posted on Nov, 16 2019 @ 12:48 PM
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We can ignore the Drake equation completely and still see that it is a virtual certainty for there to be other intelligent life in the universe, because of the almost unimaginable number of places that life could be.


I would agree with that of course, except for two points. No one can know
that earth isn't the single, very first place in the cosmos, where intelligent l
ife began. No matter how it began. We simply do not know the order of
procession and if we are the first? Then no life is out there.

How does that not make sense? Easy peasy!

My big mistake I guess was trying to use creation to show that analogy. I didn't
realize I'd flip so many people the f#$@ out. Talk about come'n unhinged boy?

Now secondly from where I'm sitting you can take those same odds
you just used to postulate the existence of intelligent life else where in the
cosmos. And apply them against even one occurrence of natural selection,
abiogenesis, happening. And still not be close to the actual odds against what
ever science suggests is responsible for life.

Somebody want tell me where I'm wrong for cripes sake? Because that
would be nice.

And how does THE DRAKE EQUATION not fall apart in each of the cases I
just mentioned?
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posted on Nov, 16 2019 @ 01:06 PM
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originally posted by: TzarChasm
I thought the topic was supposed to be the Drake equation. No one can ever stick to the actual subject, have to keep attacking the players instead of the ball. Learn to play nice.


Thank you Tzarchasm



posted on Nov, 16 2019 @ 01:18 PM
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Somebody want tell me where I'm wrong for cripes sake? Because that
would be nice.


You are not right, you are not wrong, you are guessing, that's all. Also mixed in with your belief because you are religous.

If I said there is set intelligent life out there, I eould be wrong, because I do not have evidence to back it up.



posted on Nov, 16 2019 @ 01:21 PM
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You are not right, you are not wrong,

Fair enough



posted on Nov, 17 2019 @ 02:20 AM
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originally posted by: Jay-morris
a reply to: turbonium1

This post just shows how delusional you are!


What has science done for people, and the Earth, in a few centuries..?


And what has religon done? Caused countless wars killing millions of people. Religon has brought sexism, racism, anti homosexual, terrorism. I could go on on on!


It's created massive weapons which kill thousands at a time, for one thing.


America is a Christian country right? Yet have the biggest militery budget in the world! Weapons do not kill, people do! And how many governments around the world are religous?

Who tells and pays scientists to make these new technology? That's right, the government's around the world. A lot of them religious!



I agree with you about this, which you'd know if you read my posts. Religion has been used as a tool of war, murder, and destruction, for ages. Not the religion itself, but people who use these religions to foment fear, and ignorance, of others who don't conform to what they CLAIM is the one, true faith, from God above.

It says nothing about slaughtering anyone who doesn't believe in Christ. It was people who interpreted that the Bible wished us to follow Christ, and kill any who don't accept Christ, which is what ignorant people believed, and they killed them as 'heretics'.

It's incredibly sad, and ironic, that a book which speaks of loving all others, to treat others as you wish others treat you, would be twisted around, into a call to arms, for the purpose of slaughtering innocent people who did nothing to them, except for not accepting a religion, which would appear to them, encourages the murder and destruction of those who don't worship such evils as God's wish.



Science is the new religion, preaching to the ignorant masses, who follow them as God-like figures, above mere mortals. It's a scary thing, indeed.



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