The Drake Equation Fallacy

originally posted by: carsforkids
a reply to: Barcs

Stating a fact is not an insult.

You're doing it again and now I am very insulted. So now I am done
discussing this topic with you.

I figured if I complained about your lil argument from insults you'd
choose to come back and double down on the same insult. So very
typically predictable. Arguing with atheists is like arguing with cookie
cutter clones. Never anything new to bring to the table just the same
ol tired boring non factual X completely impossible odds of ever
bringing anything to life .

Because hello life is a miracle. And a great many scientists that aren't
atheists know that. Even you can see that science will never do that.
Your hope is in vein. As long as science claims it's still looking the
atheist can keep right on believing the lie. That's what is really going
on isn't Barcs?

I don't care if you insult me are you joking!

I don't even need a valid argument against this pseudo science Barcs!
Everyone that doesn't hate God agrees. Atheists are only lying to
themselves.

You do not seem to exhibit a very Christian outlook. What ever happened to "turn the other cheek" ?
etc.
You seem rather intolerant of other viewpoints.
Are we all "unsaved trash"?
Hmmmmmm.....

a reply to: oldcarpy

They have gone rather quiet since I posted that passage from the bible! Not surprising!

a reply to: oldcarpy

Well how about that? Somebody's catching on. This is the beginning of
your wisdom.(sarc)

You do not seem to exhibit a very Christian outlook. What ever happened to "turn the other cheek" ?
etc.
You seem rather intolerant of other viewpoints.
Are we all "unsaved trash"?
Hmmmmmm..

"Turn the other cheek" "Intolerant of other viewpoints"? Not even true at
all. And if you're an atheist ( Notice I didn't assume anything ) in all fairness
you would be whining from the moist intolerant view the world has ever
known. ( Richard Dawkins ) Can you figure the rest out from there or
would like me to finish this synopsis for you?

a reply to: Jay-morris

They have gone rather quiet since I posted that passage from the bible! Not surprising!

Um No!

Atheists will often point to a passage or verse that tells of Gods righteous
judgement against a nation as vindication for judging God. Another fallacy.
First they don't even realize they don't need a passage like this.

1 Samuel 15:3: "This is what the Lord Almighty says ... 'Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.' "

How is it they don't seem to realize the basic similarities of Gods
justice between the above passage and the flood? In the above
passage God judged a nation. Exactly as he Judged the whole
world save Noah's few and brought the flood. God is righteous
and true and never changing. He is also a God of judgement.
Once judged everything dies. Why? The reasons are righteous
and perhaps not all of them are even knowable to man but that
matters not because one thing is perfectly clear.

God will not allow detestable perverse disgusting sin and depravity
to continue forever. This is the lesson atheists ignore. This is what
they should fear. And this fear is the catalyst of their hate. The
way they live is not okay with God. It's only okay for now as he has
agreed to let this world we have created without God play out.
God is God if you love your depraved way of life more than you
love God?

Then I don't blame him I blame you for bringing his judgement.
Or judge him as you will. But don't expect a true believer to make
such a deadly error.

Atheism is an attempt to live without Gods judgement. Without
his righteous judgement the whole universe would sink into the
trash we see plummeting OUR WORLD into darkness. And all atheists
know what he has declared. It will not be allowed to continue.

Simply a true believer

a reply to: carsforkids

Atheists will often point to a passage or verse that tells of Gods righteous
judgement against a nation as vindication for judging God. Another fallacy.
First they don't even realize they don't need a passage like this.

So, killing innocent men, women and children was right? You seriously think that is right? You think this is the only brutal this in the bible commanded by God? Does thst sound like a God to you, or does it sound like humans? We still do it today! Go into a country and kill innocent men, women and children!

If you ate happy with a God that commands such brutal things, well, thsts up to you!

How is it they don't seem to realize the basic similarities of Gods
justice between the above passage and the flood? In the above
passage God judged a nation. Exactly as he Judged the whole
world save Noah's few and brought the flood. God is righteous
and true and never changing. He is also a God of judgement.
Once judged everything dies. Why? The reasons are righteous
and perhaps not all of them are even knowable to man but that
matters not because one thing is perfectly clear.

God will not allow detestable perverse disgusting sin and depravity
to continue forever. This is the lesson atheists ignore. This is what
they should fear. And this fear is the catalyst of their hate. The
way they live is not okay with God. It's only okay for now as he has
agreed to let this world we have created without God play out.
God is God if you love your depraved way of life more than you
love God?

Then I don't blame him I blame you for bringing his judgement.
Or judge him as you will. But don't expect a true believer to make
such a deadly error.

What a weak excuse to defend the evil stuff done it Gods name! Shame on you! So, God destroys a whole nation, including innocent men, women and children, just because he is too primitive to realise that everyone is an individual.

This proves that it's BS this is human beings, not the word of God, because their is no God!

How about these ones!

Psalm 137, which celebrates this terrible revenge: "Happy is he who repays you for what you have done to us / He who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks."

“Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to the good and gentle but also to the cruel.” (1 Peter 2:18)


You worship a cruel, sociopathic God. The reason he is cruel and sociopathic is because that's how people back then were! Is that a coincidence?

What gets me, is people like you who worship an evil, brutal God, and they are ok with that!

Atheists will never understand anything about God's law because they
are to busy living depraved lives. No morals, no manners, no hope,
no life. All they have is this glimpse of real life they lead in this world.
A for runner to the life God gave us IN THE BEGINNING. Eternal life,
lost to sin causing God to send our savior Jesus Christ. It all makes
simple sense. And it is even what should be as well as what should
forever be.



"No one is good only the Father". My God is God the Creator above the
created is the only thing we really need to know. Those who lack this
basic common sense that's on you. Atheists can actually demand that
everyone follow their ridiculous intentionally misrepresented excuses.
If their their BS was correct? No one would be saved and their would be
no hope. If they were correct we wouldn't even be here.

So there's that.


We often see the atheist lack basic understanding of simple verses.

“Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to the good and gentle but also to the cruel.” (1 Peter 2:18)

This is just advice because the cruel were more likely to kill a slave. It's not a commandment.

And look who's putting up Bible verses? Good that's real good!

originally posted by: carsforkids
God will not allow detestable perverse disgusting sin and depravity
to continue forever. This is the lesson atheists ignore. This is what
they should fear. And this fear is the catalyst of their hate. The
way they live is not okay with God. It's only okay for now as he has
agreed to let this world we have created without God play out.
God is God if you love your depraved way of life more than you
love God?

Then I don't blame him I blame you for bringing his judgement.
Or judge him as you will. But don't expect a true believer to make
such a deadly error.

Atheism is an attempt to live without Gods judgement. Without
his righteous judgement the whole universe would sink into the
trash we see plummeting OUR WORLD into darkness. And all atheists
know what he has declared. It will not be allowed to continue.

"Atheism is an attempt to live without Gods judgement"

That's it, in a nutshell.

It is even more than just that. It is often an excuse to do whatever they want, and think that if they aren't caught during their Earthly existence, then they will face no repercussions for it at all.

That's God's message here. If it was not said, then the alternative would be a world of darkness and hell. That's why the Bible mentions what happens in such cases - there ARE consequences for your wrong, wicked actions.


Atheists don't seem to understand why God - being perfect - would create imperfect beings. As opposed to being a bunch of mindless robots? What is 'perfect'? What God did was allow EVERYONE OF US to make the right decisions, ourselves. Freedom of choice. This is what enriches our existence, and leads us from the darkness.

These choices are more crucial today, than ever before. WE ALONE must choose the right path, find the truth, understand what is a lie, and - hopefully - held others see the same thing. No matter how much people insult you, or disparage you, if even one other person sees what you are saying is, or may, be the truth, that makes it worth all the effort.

a reply to: turbonium1

A member after my own heart.

As usual after a long play period one needs only take away their toys
and they go right to sleep. If they only knew the sorrow we see coming
for them? Or perhaps if they had a good taste of the sorrow and regret
in this life. As I only know from my own experience. That kind of grief
never leaves and becomes but a taste of hell inside a person. Then they just
might come to understand what we're saying. That the Kingdom of God
is inside all of us. I know I wouldn't wish that kind of hell on anyone. But
then again they may also understand what their hate does to God.

" For it grieved God at his heart that he had made man"

Sorrow and regret I hope I never taste that shlt again. But no one
listens to experience or warnings.

They have gone rather quiet since I posted that passage from the bible! Not surprising!

My hope is that some of them do come to understand it is the truth, as I came to fully grasp it, with more time, greater knowledge, the loss of my parents, which showed life exists in spiritual form, after we leave the Earth, just as was written within the Holy Bible.

When I finally realized, after research, that when the Book of Genesis described Earth, and heavens, and the firmament above Earth, were accurate, this confirmed it even more it is the word of God, who created Earth, and all life on Earth, as described in the Bible.

It disturbed me to find out the Vatican's position of the Earth is that it is a ball, flying through space, and came to that belief from 'science' showing them measurements, and calculations, which 'prove' it.

None of them know what these measurements are supposedly proving about Earth being a ball, flying through space, it is merely those scientists, which are claiming that these measurements are valid proof that Earth is a ball, flying through space.

When they have devoted their life to God, and his word, are truth, it is heresy to claim Genesis is a falsehood, a lie, a story of pure fiction.


And in a way, this is a powerful lesson, for all who believe in God, and the Holy Bible, yet have come to question themselves, about everything in the Bible being true or not, when the Vatican itself has claimed the Book of Genesis is not true, and the story of Creation is not true, as was written in the Holy Bible....

To follow someone who claims to be closer to God than anyone on Earth, is also described in the Bible - it tells us do not worship false Gods, as those who claim to be the ear of God's spoken word. Because it is a wicked lie. No human is above others, nobody is closer to God, or that God speaks to them, as deemed to be the 'ear' of God's spoken word.

a reply to: turbonium1

See you ignored my post! One thing you guys have in common. So please justify how a loving God could kill innocent men, women and children?

1 Samuel 15:3: "This is what the Lord Almighty says ... 'Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.' "

a reply to: turbonium1

The catholic church does not know Christ. Why people still support and
follow it I find perplexing to say the least. Child molesters and people
still follow it's teachings? IDK

a reply to: carsforkids

You are one of these fanatic religous people. Most types like you have secrets to hide!

Reading your posts is like listening to those frauds who pretend to heal people for money in the name of God! Creepy!

Just checking in ... has OP provided their scientific proof for the “Creator outside the Universe” yet?

I’m looking forward to that.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
Just checking in ... has OP provided their scientific proof for the “Creator outside the Universe” yet?

I’m looking forward to that.

No, just ignoring and dodging questions! The usual!

originally posted by: Jay-morris

originally posted by: Gryphon66
Just checking in ... has OP provided their scientific proof for the “Creator outside the Universe” yet?

I’m looking forward to that.

No, just ignoring and dodging questions! The usual!

Oh.

That’s a shame.

I guess we’ll all have to go back to either having faith or not then.

I was hoping that THIS time ...

Carry on all!

a reply to: Gryphon66

Just checking in ... has OP provided their scientific proof for the “Creator outside the Universe” yet?

Actually I have directed everyone to it more than once. The universe
is the evidence because pseudo science will have to give a better
account of how life began than the account in Genesis. Not an
impossible one.

originally posted by: carsforkids
a reply to: Gryphon66

Just checking in ... has OP provided their scientific proof for the “Creator outside the Universe” yet?

Actually I have directed everyone to it more than once. The universe
is the evidence because pseudo science will have to give a better
account of how life began than the account in Genesis. Not an
impossible one.

LOL how is that evidence for a sociopathic child killing God? You have to do better than that!

a reply to: carsforkids

Oh, so, the Universe is evidence for God?

Which one?

originally posted by: Barcs
You just said that intelligence only comes from intelligence. Oh, but wait special rules apply to that when it comes to God

God always existed. This is what it means to be the only unbegotten God - that which was not created, but instead is the Apex Creator. Just because you can't understand this concept does not make it wrong. You're appealing to complexity.

God is the unbegotten source cause of all intelligence. From this Intelligence, we intelligent beings came forth manifest in the image of God - the material vessel to harbor this Intelligent Spirit.