The Drake Equation Fallacy

originally posted by: carsforkids
a reply to: Jay-morris

Do you believe everything was made in 6 days?

Do you understand the definition of a creator God.
I have seen nothing to make me doubt it.

Gotta go drive truck amigos. See ya in about a month.
Around Christmas that none of you celebrate! LOL

So you cannot answer that simple question? Did God create everything in six days?

originally posted by: carsforkids
That just makes me want to scream in you ear! Whom dear and wise
person would you prefer to have written scripture?

No one.

That's the point.

If there is a supreme being/creator/god then everyone should know about it definitely without having to be told by anyone.

It should be completely, undeniably instinctual in every single human being from birth until the day they die. Unarguable, not open for debate or discussion because everyone should just know.

None of this 'you have to find god' nonsense. No reliance on writings of people who live a couple of thousand years ago. No interpretation. No bickering about who's god is the real god. There should be no need for a bible, koran, torah etc.

And yet those things are there. Written by humans as a means of control, not as a means of worship or an indication of the divine, but simply in order to subjugate people by fear.

You describe science as 'concoted nonsensical ideas' because it was written by humans

But then you argue that the bible is the source of all knowledge when it was written by humans

originally posted by: carsforkids
a reply to: TzarChasm

And this is a much more reliable mathematical expression than the Drake equation? Am I keeping up so far?

Holy crap you caught me completely off guard. That's good, I appreciate
your humor. And I would say yes Tsarchasm you're following along nicely.
LMAO

You didn't quote the whole post, lemme do that for ya.

originally posted by: TzarChasm
So essentially we went from debating the accuracy/reliability of the Drake equation, to assuming that superpowers such as living outside of literal space time as well as commanding the fundamental fabric of reality not only are real, but are fully at the disposal of a poorly defined creation figure known only as "god".

And this is a much more reliable mathematical expression than the Drake equation? Am I keeping up so far?

Just so everyone can appreciate your algebra skills.

a reply to: carsforkids

My expectations are low for this website. Especially on this subforum the red herrings, ad hominems, generally poor and misleading arguments, shell games, etc. are all quite popular. Being ignored is often just as productive, so it doesn't matter to me whether I'm ignored or not. I sometimes feel like it's useful when someone responds to my commentary in which I referred to something specific in a video for example, to point out it's being ignored though (if that's the case). But I also get the feeling that it doesn't matter one bit to point it out to those who've already decided not to look into it. The supposed 'conversations' here are not much like actual "conversations" at all. It's more of a marketing game, where people market their ideas and opinions and perhaps getting some satisfaction from getting other people to be on their side, to see things their way or give them the feeling that they're being clever or funny about it.

Regarding extraterrestrials living on other planets though, I'm gonna have to agree with Jack Catran as quoted below.

Insight on the News (1983)

Science or Fiction?

Interest in extraterrestrial life has gained a tremendous popular following in recent years owing, in no small measure, to space travel, science fiction and the movie industry. Indeed, the two most popular motion pictures in history​—Star Wars and E.T. The Extra-Terrestrial​—are both on this subject. At the same time, costly scientific projects are going on in real earnest to find life and/​or intelligence in outer space. The result is that for many people, especially the young, it is becoming increasingly harder to tell where science ends and where fiction begins. The existence of extraterrestrials and the possibility of communicating with and being influenced by them have crept into people’s consciousness subtly through the back door, as it were.

Commenting on this phenomenon, Jack Catran, a scientist in the space industry, writes in a Newsweek magazine article entitled “E.A. = Enough Already”: “Writers and moviemakers have the right to speculate on any scientific subject, but let’s call it what it is: science fiction, not science. And let’s label their objectives what they are: exploitation and sales, not education.” Surely, the Bible’s advice to distinguish between facts and what is “falsely called ‘knowledge’” is the course of wisdom.​—1 Timothy 6:20.

And so were the objectives of Dr. Frank Drake when he started promoting and marketing the Drake equation, “exploitation and sales, not education.”

The topic sells well, there's a large market for it. Also demonstrated by the over 1 million comments on the aliens&ufo's subforum, only 2nd to breaking alternative news.

a reply to: neformore

But then you argue that the bible is the source of all knowledge when it was written by humans

Still going in circles and blaming me for the reciprocation that has
you fixated.

The rest of your reply much like Jays just demonstrates your lack of
understanding Gods purpose for Man. You complain about why God isn't
around and don't even understand why. Why is that? Because it's easier.
And believe as you will I get that. Just remember IN THE BEGINNING we
had the relationship with God as you said yourself we should have. ( Genesis )
Gods intentions were nothing else. A relationship with us even shows
purpose for us being here.

Long story short you simply blame God for not making his presence
known without the understanding that we chose to excuse him.
We chose what you're complaining about. God being the gentleman
that he is obliged. The world filled with sin and disgusting perversions
and science is just as I said earlier. Our attempt to fulfill that ancient
promise of the serpent.

That " Ye shall be like God"

See you and other members are trying to reason with me something
that I have already reasoned from where you stand with one huge
difference. I didn't just quit and close my mind and jump on the
good ship of lolly popularity and believe what I know damn well
is a lie. Something I haven't been able to find in the bible. So your
reasoning just seems silly to me.

I feel like I'm being swamped by Jehovah's Witnesses here guys
but at least when I corrected them they listened.

If it's important for you that you're able to change my mind? Good luckI

a reply to: whereislogic

I have to say it. Your knowledge of this topic is phenomenal.

a reply to: carsforkids

Once again, I'll state my point.

God did not write the bible.

Humans did.

You seem to think otherwise,

If I tell you that god told me to write this, will you believe it?

My words on screen are just as valid as your words in your book.

a reply to: neformore

Be well neformore.

originally posted by: carsforkids
a reply to: whereislogic

I have to say it. Your knowledge of this topic is phenomenal.

You know he/she is JW?

a reply to: Akragon

You know he/she is JW?

I thought of it. But no I didn't know that.
I guess she/he knows what I'm talking about then right?

a reply to: carsforkids

Not that it matters... I just could have sworn you made a comment involving JWs earlier... and the irony was amusing

Can't seem to find it though.. *shrug*

a reply to: Akragon


It's there. But your point eludes me?
You see when JWs come to my door I invite them in and we have long
conversations. I don't treat them like the plague. I love to see the look
on their faces when they realize someone with my appearance is a
believer. Even more well read than they imagined. I love people and
just wasn't brought up to treat people the way JWs are used to being
treated.

So there's that.

a reply to: carsforkids

There was a time I would do the same thing... they don't come around anymore though...

Pretty sure im marked.. lol

a reply to: carsforkids

i was compeled to ask -because your " logic " in this thread has been so flawed

but hey - your answer demonstrates this perfectly

but just for amusement - i shal ask again :

why do you dismiss the entire premise of alien life ?

invoking the drake equation as the " answer " to this question is so utterly preposterous its funny

the notion of alien life was proposed long before drake was even born - so care to try again ??

you are dismissing a concept just because you dont like a tool one man created to assist the study of the issue

FFS - get a grip

as for the rest of your off topic ramblings - ROFLMAO

a reply to: carsforkids



Did God create everything in six days?

a reply to: ignorant_ape

why do you dismiss the entire premise of alien life ?

Lol Why wouldn't I?

a reply to: Jay-morris

Did God create everything in six days?

Google it!

It's illogical to think that random chance (which the Drake equation draws from) is more likely for universal creation rather than an intelligent guiding Force. The immense order in cosmology, biology, geology, and so on, indicates there are precise mathematically predictable Laws that keep everything going. Laws do not come to be by random chance, they are created with purpose by something intelligent.

Drake's equation draws off the assumption that all matter came to be by accident. All evidence points to an intelligent faculty that organized the universe. If randomness were responsible, then the equations that we discover would also be random, but there are so meticulous and precise we are compelled to believe it was due to a precise Intelligence currently above our comprehension.

originally posted by: carsforkids
a reply to: Jay-morris

Did God create everything in six days?

Google it!

O am not asking Google, I am asking you! Never known someone on here to dodge so many questions!

originally posted by: cooperton
It's illogical to think that random chance (which the Drake equation draws from) is more likely for universal creation rather than an intelligent guiding Force. The immense order in cosmology, biology, geology, and so on, indicates there are precise mathematically predictable Laws that keep everything going. Laws do not come to be by random chance, they are created with purpose by something intelligent.

Drake's equation draws off the assumption that all matter came to be by accident. All evidence points to an intelligent faculty that organized the universe. If randomness were responsible, then the equations that we discover would also be random, but there are so meticulous and precise we are compelled to believe it was due to a precise Intelligence currently above our comprehension.

Without doubt as it is written here with elegance is simply far more plausible.
Yet the masses would march against it suited for annihilation with malice. Some
claim intelligent design isn't science. As intelligence can site no difference
between the search for life in the universe may as well be a search for a
supreme being.

Can you imagine the look on the faces if SETI did receive a signal one day
and decoded it read like this?

"Earth received signal from your quadrant. ETA seventy two hours. Jesus Christ

Lol