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Transcript of Zelensky phone call and evidence of cover-up

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posted on Oct, 31 2019 @ 09:42 PM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Chilax.




posted on Oct, 31 2019 @ 09:46 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Chilax.


I am chilled. It is you, among some others, whom seem about to burst some veins in your neck because none of you can corroborate your false claims about POTUS Trump...



posted on Oct, 31 2019 @ 10:12 PM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Chilax.


I am chilled. It is you, among some others, whom seem about to burst some veins in your neck because none of you can corroborate your false claims about POTUS Trump...

There’s some well rehearsed disinformation currently being posted on this site as gospel, buyer beware.



posted on Oct, 31 2019 @ 10:13 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight

Irrelevant. Mr. Trump has admitted to the phone call and his intention to have Biden investigated by anyone who will investigate him.

The problem comes in when his motivation for doing so is considered. Was it national security or a political act boosting his own campaign chances?

Any indications that Joe Biden is under investigation by the DOJ? FBI? ETC?

Remind me when trump was under oath?
I will wait...



posted on Nov, 1 2019 @ 04:11 AM
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originally posted by: dfnj2015

originally posted by: underwerks
a reply to: dfnj2015



"He or she will look into the situation, specifically to the company that you mentioned in this issue," the rough transcript cites Zelensky as saying.
Vindman's testimony that some specific details were left out of the rough transcript adds further insight about how the White House handled the call and Democrats' concerns that the Trump administration engaged in a coverup."


You mean to tell me 5 pages of double spaced text isn't 30 minutes of conversation?

Shenanigans.


Your comment has nothing to do with anything of the thread topic. Vindman said the transcript changed the words of what was said.


Vindman lied .....pure and simple. The call was transcribed almost word for word by the nsc. They are trained to be perfectionist. Vindman has an ax to grind.

Secondly Ukraine was involved in election #ery .....POTUS had a right to ask about it. TheCrowdstrike is a democratic sham company.

Biden admitted he was guilty of withholding Ukrainian funds to get them to remove Shokin from investigating his Son.

Lastly no funds were withheld from Ukraine. Ukraine did nothing about Crowstrike or Joe Biden receiving graft from Burisma but they still recieved their funds. You have no case.....just a bunch of buthurt....deep state congressional liberals running a sham impeachment / Soviet style coup.

There is no due process for the minority party therefore it has no merit and shouldn't even be considered by the Senate.
edit on 1-11-2019 by BenjanonFranklin because: Misspelled word



posted on Nov, 1 2019 @ 04:25 PM
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Vindman's boss just contradicted him in testimony this morning as another person that was actually on the line for the call. Pretty tough to convict someone on anything when you have witnesses split down the middle on what they heard or interpreted.



posted on Nov, 2 2019 @ 11:39 AM
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originally posted by: xuenchen
Treaty 106-16 is alive and well 😃



Trump and team violated that treaty.



Article 1(4) states explicitly that the Treaty is not intended to create rights in private parties to obtain, suppress, or exclude any evidence, or to impede the execution of a request.


Rudy's involvement was illegal. Trump directing Ukraine to work with Rudy was illegal.



For the United States, the Central Authority shall be the Attorney General or a person designated by the Attorney
General. For Ukraine, the Central Authority shall be the Ministry of Justice and the Office of the Prosecutor General.

The article provides that the Central Authorities shall communicate directly with one another for the purposes of the
Treaty.


Trump and his shadow operation with Rudy was illegal under the treaty.



A further ground for denial is that the request relates to a political offense


This excludes Biden executing US Policy by demanding the Ouster of the Corrupt Prosecutor Shoken.


Article 4 prescribes the form and content of written requests under the Treaty, specifying in detail the information required in each request. The article permits other forms of requests in emergency situations but requires written confirmation within ten days thereafter unless the Central Authority of the Requested State agrees otherwise.


Trump's Covert Operation never submitted written requests through channels.

Besides Trump's demand was not information, but rather a public announcement of an investigation he could use for his campaign.

It looks like Trump violated this treaty in at least a half-dozen ways.

www.congress.gov...



posted on Nov, 2 2019 @ 11:41 AM
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originally posted by: shooterbrody

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight

Irrelevant. Mr. Trump has admitted to the phone call and his intention to have Biden investigated by anyone who will investigate him.

The problem comes in when his motivation for doing so is considered. Was it national security or a political act boosting his own campaign chances?

Any indications that Joe Biden is under investigation by the DOJ? FBI? ETC?

Remind me when trump was under oath?
I will wait...


"I do solemnly swear that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."



edit on 2-11-2019 by Extorris because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 2 2019 @ 11:55 AM
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originally posted by: Extorris

originally posted by: xuenchen
Treaty 106-16 is alive and well 😃



Trump and team violated that treaty.



Article 1(4) states explicitly that the Treaty is not intended to create rights in private parties to obtain, suppress, or exclude any evidence, or to impede the execution of a request.


Rudy's involvement was illegal. Trump directing Ukraine to work with Rudy was illegal.



For the United States, the Central Authority shall be the Attorney General or a person designated by the Attorney
General. For Ukraine, the Central Authority shall be the Ministry of Justice and the Office of the Prosecutor General.

The article provides that the Central Authorities shall communicate directly with one another for the purposes of the
Treaty.


Trump and his shadow operation with Rudy was illegal under the treaty.



A further ground for denial is that the request relates to a political offense


This excludes Biden executing US Policy by demanding the Ouster of the Corrupt Prosecutor Shoken.


Article 4 prescribes the form and content of written requests under the Treaty, specifying in detail the information required in each request. The article permits other forms of requests in emergency situations but requires written confirmation within ten days thereafter unless the Central Authority of the Requested State agrees otherwise.


Trump's Covert Operation never submitted written requests through channels.

Besides Trump's demand was not information, but rather a public announcement of an investigation he could use for his campaign.

It looks like Trump violated this treaty in at least a half-dozen ways.

www.congress.gov...



Aren't you forgetting that the State Department reached out to Rudy for his help...........................

www.nbcnews.com...



posted on Nov, 2 2019 @ 12:31 PM
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a reply to: BrennanHuff22

Doesn't matter.

The Treaty forbids "Private Parties" from participating in the treaty.

It also limits communications from the USA to the AG (Central Authority) and person's designated by the AG.

Not the President and not Rudy.

If AG Barr deputized Rudy to work with Ukraine on this, let's see the documentation the treaty requires. That should be a fascinating read.

Even then, Rudy is still a private citizen and his involvement would be forbidden, notably to avoid exactly the illegal scenario the WH finds itself in.



posted on Nov, 2 2019 @ 12:34 PM
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a reply to: Extorris

You got that part backwards. It's all legal. 😃



posted on Nov, 2 2019 @ 06:23 PM
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originally posted by: dfnj2015

originally posted by: MachineMan
a reply to: dfnj2015

I want to know how a Russian becomes a colonel in the army, and gets assigned to the Whitehouse.



This has nothing to do with Trump's quid pro quo and cover-up.


A President has every right to make demands of foreign countries in exchange for aid. You're reading too much into biased media BS trying to criminalise the Presidents job.

Once again for the cheap seats - campaign laws in no way impinge on a President's constitutional authority.

That is why the whole campaign laws angle is complete nonsense and one which the Democrats are unlikely to major on in any impeachment trial. If they want ANY hope of removing the President they will have to prove abuse of his powers and to do that they will have to prove that there was no justification to investigate Biden or the origins of the Russia investigation.



posted on Nov, 2 2019 @ 06:27 PM
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originally posted by: Extorris
a reply to: BrennanHuff22

Doesn't matter.

The Treaty forbids "Private Parties" from participating in the treaty.

It also limits communications from the USA to the AG (Central Authority) and person's designated by the AG.

Not the President and not Rudy.

If AG Barr deputized Rudy to work with Ukraine on this, let's see the documentation the treaty requires. That should be a fascinating read.

Even then, Rudy is still a private citizen and his involvement would be forbidden, notably to avoid exactly the illegal scenario the WH finds itself in.


Nonsense.
No treaty can remove a Presidents authority under the Constitution. All powers vested in the AG are in fact the President's powers.
If you believe that the AG canhold powers beyond the President then you need to go back to civics class.
edit on 2/11/2019 by UKTruth because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 2 2019 @ 06:28 PM
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originally posted by: shooterbrody

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight

Irrelevant. Mr. Trump has admitted to the phone call and his intention to have Biden investigated by anyone who will investigate him.

The problem comes in when his motivation for doing so is considered. Was it national security or a political act boosting his own campaign chances?

Any indications that Joe Biden is under investigation by the DOJ? FBI? ETC?

Remind me when trump was under oath?
I will wait...


At his Inauguration.



posted on Nov, 2 2019 @ 10:16 PM
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a reply to: BenjanonFranklin

It is also very possible that Vindman was involved in the corruption, which is why he has stated he has concerns about the investigation into the corruption.

Vindman was working in the both the Ukranian AND Russian embassies meanwhile the corruption of Ukranine occurred in which Biden and others are involved.


...
Career
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Beginning in 2008, Vindman became a Foreign Area Officer specializing in Eurasia. In this capacity he served in the U.S. embassies in Kyiv, Ukraine, and Moscow, Russia.
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en.wikipedia.org...

The Ukrainians themselves have stated that up to $7 billion U.S.D. were misappropriated, or taken out of Ukraine and into the U.S. IMO there is a real possibility that Vindman is/was involved in the corruption.


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Sworn statements from two Ukrainian officials admitting that their agency tried to influence the 2016 U.S. presidential election in favor of Hillary Clinton. The effort included leaking an alleged ledger showing payments to then-Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort;

Contacts between Democratic figures in Washington and Ukrainian officials that involved passing along dirt on Donald Trump;

Financial records showing a Ukrainian natural gas company routed more than $3 million to American accounts tied to Hunter Biden, younger son of then-Vice President Joe Biden, who managed U.S.-Ukraine relations for the Obama administration. Biden’s son served on the board of a Ukrainian natural gas company, Burisma Holdings;

Records that Vice President Biden pressured Ukrainian officials in March 2016 to fire the prosecutor who oversaw an investigation of Burisma Holdings and who planned to interview Hunter Biden about the financial transfers;

Correspondence showing members of the State Department and U.S. Embassy in Kiev interfered or applied pressure in criminal cases on Ukrainian soil;


Disbursements of as much as $7 billion in Ukrainian funds that prosecutors believe may have been misappropriated or taken out of the country, including to the United States.
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thehill.com...



edit on 2-11-2019 by ElectricUniverse because: add excerpts.



posted on Nov, 2 2019 @ 10:21 PM
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originally posted by: UKTruth

A President has every right to make demands of foreign countries in exchange for aid. You're reading too much into biased media BS trying to criminalise the Presidents job.
...


He didn't demand anything though, and even the Ukrainian president has said so. He asked for a favor when it was the Ukrainians whom were the first whom wanted to give us evidence of the corruption since 2018.
edit on 2-11-2019 by ElectricUniverse because: correct excerpt.



posted on Nov, 3 2019 @ 12:32 AM
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originally posted by: dfnj2015


Vindman was on the call and heard the conversation real-time. From Vindman's opening statement, ""I was concerned by the call. I did not think it was proper to demand that a foreign government investigate a U.S. citizen,


Investigating a US citizen who may have committed crimes against the USA while in Ukraine?

Our own law enforcement is not equipped to run an investigation in that environment.

So shall we just let them get away with it? Put our citizens on the "honor system" when they are abroad, because investigating any crimes they might choose to commit would require help from the local government?




and I was worried about the implications for the U.S. government's support of Ukraine,"



What he means is the so-called "bipartisan support" that Ukraine had been getting in Congress. If Zelensky investigates a leading democrat, he loses his neutrality.

The democrats might start blocking bills that involve giving aid to Ukraine

That is an absolutely frightening prospect for any diplomat attempting to help keep Ukraine in the USA's sphere of influence (which is a VERY GOOD thing to be trying to do.)


But, however good their intentions may be, the diplomats' objections still fall under the category of "politics", rather than legal wrongdoing.



Republicans need to stop blaming Democrats for what Trump did to himself or continues to do to himself.



Trump didn't do anything wrong.

He did exactly the right thing. If he thinks an American citizen may be stealing money from the USA government, while in Ukraine, the FIRST thing he should try and do is get Ukrainian law enforcement to help with the investigation.

The dems are trying to make a "crime" out of a legitimate use of power.



posted on Nov, 3 2019 @ 12:34 AM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: shooterbrody

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight

Irrelevant. Mr. Trump has admitted to the phone call and his intention to have Biden investigated by anyone who will investigate him.

The problem comes in when his motivation for doing so is considered. Was it national security or a political act boosting his own campaign chances?

Any indications that Joe Biden is under investigation by the DOJ? FBI? ETC?

Remind me when trump was under oath?
I will wait...


At his Inauguration.


Hahaha
Mkay
Nice new standard
El oh El

So is that just for PRESIDENT Trump?



posted on Nov, 3 2019 @ 12:36 AM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: shooterbrody

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight

Irrelevant. Mr. Trump has admitted to the phone call and his intention to have Biden investigated by anyone who will investigate him.

The problem comes in when his motivation for doing so is considered. Was it national security or a political act boosting his own campaign chances?

Any indications that Joe Biden is under investigation by the DOJ? FBI? ETC?

Remind me when trump was under oath?
I will wait...


At his Inauguration.


So schiff is going to be held accountable for his lie about meeting the whistleblower?
Nice box you put yourself in.
Hillaryous



posted on Nov, 3 2019 @ 01:22 AM
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a reply to: bloodymarvelous

Isn't ironic how the Obama administration, including Biden, Hillary and the DNC used RUSSIAN and UKRAINIAN LIES to spy on not only candidate Trump, but everyone linked to him, ,and it was completely legal and okay. But if POTUS Trump, for running as a Republican and not being a globalist, asks Ukraine to investigate ONE PERSON's apparent corruption with Ukraine and all of a sudden that's enough to impeach the POTUS?...

Hypocrites, liars, and criminals, those seem to be the skills you need these days to be a socialist/democrat...




edit on 3-11-2019 by ElectricUniverse because: correct comment.



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