Britain goes (back) to the polls

A predicament.

I guess I'm what many would call a traditional Labour voter.
Not because I agree with everything they propose or because I disagree with everything The Tories and even LibDems support but because they were most aligned with my own personal opinions especially on domestic and social issues.

But I can not vote for a candidate that could enable Jeremy Corbyn becoming Prime Minister, I detest the man and what he stands for to my very core.

But neither do I want Boris Johnson as PM post-Brexit.

The Tories and their austerity programme has been nothing more than the pursuit of a political ideology that has targeted the most vulnerable and needy in our society wrapped us and sold as an economic necessity.

Jo Swinson and the LibDems are probably the most anti-democratic and condescending option and hold no appeal at all.

Yet I am a passionate Brexit supporter.

Like many traditional Labour voters I would find it incredibly hard to vote Tory yet the prospect of Corbyn as PM is even more unappealing than Boris......

This election will be dominated by Brexit and none of the options have proven themselves worthy of my vote over the last three and a half years.

But which party do I want running this country post-Brexit and who should be PM?

The simple answer is none of the above!

A quandary and something I shall have to think long and hard about before casting my vote.

I hope the electorate in general do the same and think about what sort of United Kingdom do we want after this election?

None of the options available warrant my support at present.

a reply to: Freeborn

How well do you think Farrage will do...and do you think Boris is really a remainer at heart and this is all political shenanigans?

a reply to: midicon

If The Brexit Party has candidates in many of the northern Labour seats where many are staunch Brexit supporters they might do ok.....many traditional Labour supporters in these constituencies will NEVER vote Tory but they might support Farage's party.
I don't think they'll do that well in the Tory heartlands.

Boris Johnson was always a Remainer.
I personally think the only reason he agreed to be the public face of Brexit was to enhance his own personal profile.
He is the epitome of the modern politician lacking any degree of personal conviction and is motivated more by career advancement than anything else.

The ironic thing is that when a backbencher Corbyn was fervently anti-EU yet changed his tune the minute he became Labour leader.

Our party political system is no longer fit for purpose and we need urgent and radical reform of our whole political system.

But that isn't going to happen anytime soon - despite the publics disillusionment and disgust with it - and we have to try and affect real and positive change within the current outdated and unsuitable system.

originally posted by: Freeborn

I guess I'm what man would call a traditional Labour voter.
Not because I agree with everything they propose or because I disagree with everything The Tories and even LibDems support but because they were most aligned with my own personal opinions especially on domestic and social issues.

You're not the only one with that predicament, I feel many will struggle

with that problem!! Labour is no longer the party you voted for in the past?

They have moved and changed over time as have other parties , I think you

will have to reassess your options and maybe have to hold your nose and

vote for whats the 'least worse' for the country.

But I can not vote for a candidate that could enable Jeremy Corbyn becoming Prime Minister, I detest the man and what he stands for to my very core.

I believe the bookies are not giving good odds on him...... they seem

to get those sort of things right. Might be worth you having a punt on him?

But neither do I want Boris Johnson as PM post-Brexit.

Its not a forgone conclusion, but probably at this stage the best of the worst?

I mean there's always Swinson or Caroline Lucas

The Tories and their austerity programme has been nothing more than the pursuit of a political ideology that has targeted the most vulnerable and needy in our society wrapped us and sold as an economic necessity.

To be fair they got in shortly after what was referred to as a world downturn/

recession and an empty piggy bank.

Jo Swinson and the LibDems are probably the most anti-democratic and condescending option and hold no appeal at all.

Yet I am a passionate Brexit supporter.

As you are aware #ME TOO.

This election will be dominated by Brexit and none of the options have proven themselves worthy of my vote over the last three and a half years.
But which party do I want running this country post-Brexit and who should be PM?
The simple answer is none of the above!

To be honest I will vote for anyone who will get Brexit done preferably

as hard a Brexit as possible, it is not over when we have left there are

still things to get done and it will take some time, so we need someone

tough to stand up to the EU as there is one of us and 27 of them!!

After it is fully done then we will have the luxuary of choosing. My 2p's worth

a reply to: Freeborn
I share your frustration.

It's easy for me, I live in a moderately secure Tory seat, lib Dems in 2nd place, so as brexit is my number one concern, I'll be voting for the incumbent.

Soon as we are out though, and as long as Labour don't turn in to rejoiners, I'll be going back to voting my usual way.

The election is pretty simple.
None of the parties deserve to have a majority.
However, its:
Vote Tory for Brexit
Vote Labour for Remaining in the EU
Vote anyone else if you want another hung parliament and deadlock

a reply to: UKTruth

But its not quite that simple;

There are quite a few pro-EU Conservative MP's and many Tory supporters are Remainers.
And there is a handful of Labour MP's who are pro-Brexit whilst many traditional Labour voters are very much in the Leave camp.

Personally I think it will be a hung parliament - me and a friend were saying last night, yes in the pub, that all the present 650 MP's should be barred from standing in this election and that they should indeed be hung - and that leaves us with the terrifying prospect of a Labour/LibDem coalition.....and Brexit will never happen, even Boris's crap deal.

a reply to: SprocketUK

People are likely to vote Johnson back in, I do not like the guy as prime minister even though he is mildly entertaining but so many fear Corbyn for some reason even though a lot of what he say's is correct.

On the strength that Corbyn can not disarm us as that would require an overwhelming majority in parliament, on the strength that he if a bad prime minister his own party would then make certain he was replaced (unless he once again has an overwhelming majority of the membership which he may very well gain) before the next following election I am going to vote Labour, they are now the only party that will give us a second say on the referendum but are still going to work toward Brexit without the 70 billion pound hit that the Tory's will inflict on our public services.

They are the only Party that actually PLAN to end homelessness and end the food bank scandal that the Tory's have inflicted on our society, the only party that plan to take back control of the public industry's that the TORY's sold to THEMSELVES so that there hedge fund chum's could laugh all the way to there Swiss bank account's after defrauding the British tax payers out of our own property and the only party that ACTUALLY CARES about the British people, the only problem I have with them is I don't know if they have the brain's to pull off there grand schemes or if instead we well see the likes of the new Labour lout's all over again whom once they gained power only helped themselves to titles and money, will power corrupt or will they stick to there promises.

At any rate Johnson has broken his own word and failed to fall on his sword when he failed to deliver his version of a devastating Brexit and the Liberals are all my arse only wanting to keep us in the EU and sell our remnant of democracy (there's a laugh) to Brussels and at least Labour are going to give us a second referendum NOW THAT WE ARE CLUED UP on the matter and know what it will cost our economy AFTER they negotiate a better deal than the Tory's have (A deal which would have made some of the LEAVER Tory's very wealthy men indeed by at the same time impoverishing the rest of us wee British folk the serfs they so love to tread on all the time).

Also LABOUR love or loath them are the only party that may restore Britain as if the Tory's get there way then you can Kiss goodbye to Scotland very shortly and they may hold an illegal referendum on there own independence if push comes to shove - we really could not stop them without resorting to martial law if they should do so AND also the Welsh whom have already said they are planning there own referendum on independence which while England is the most populace nation of the Union will leave it all those resources it currently requires for it's survival provided by these two other nation's GONE as they would then swannie off back to the EU (and those that think the EU would not open it's arm's to them further isolating England and impoverishing it are deluded).

So common sense, like or loath Corbyn Labour is the only rational choice.

But the English being a fickle bunch and some idiot's not being able to see past there own noses as usual with there political and social amnesia Boris is likely to get back in God help us and especially the poorest in our society since that public school brat grown up to be a self centered rich and self important twerp whom is proud of being descended from inbred German royalty is definitely not going to be looking our for there interests now is he, the guy is a Tory through and through and NOT A CONSERVATIVE bone in his body just pure TORY - I distinguish this to make a point the conservative's are like the rest of us just well to do and represent aspiration and the middle class if often very unfair to the working class and poor they are still for the nation but the TORY's are the have's vs the have not's among them whom are always going to only ever be for the very wealthy and only very rarely care about the rest of us when on occasion they are clever enough to have a grasp of enlightened self interest - and then they do it begrudgingly.

Despite this I have to say that since the period when Thatcher (Whom I despise) took power in this country we have only had ONE good serving prime minister and he was a CONSERVATIVE (Not a TORY Bone in his body - a CONSERVATIVE) by the name of John Major though yes he did sell off the railway's, then again Cameron just to make a point sold off the Royal Mail - not because it made sense but because it was a Tory thing to do - and laughingly in spite of the fact the Royal mail was so named because it was NOT a Labour creation and had never been nationalized by Labour but was an original British institution dating back hundreds of years - guess who made money on that again - hedge fund managers and now our letters are just as likely to be stolen in the sorting office by under paid temp's as they are to reach us.

So once again on balance Labour are the only party worth voting for even if Corbyn is someone you don't trust (to be fair I think the guy is a moral person whom stands up for his beliefs, I don't like the fact he talked to terrorists etc in the past and think that if our election CAN be rigged it will be rigged against him on those ground's along by those whom may have that power BUT he is still the better choice ethically speaking if not - necessarily - from a security perspective but it's that or let the rat's continue to run the show - save our soul or lose it).


Let's just make a foot note, migration, as part of her plan and Boris has no plans to stop what she signed May made several deals with India and other non EU country's to allow there skilled workers in, all well and good I have no problem BUT a lot of the anti EU sentiment was people not knowing there arse from there head's and blaming the EU for something that the TORY party started off during India's Partition following there independence from us when Lord Mountbatten (Battenberg let's get that correct) said to them "Oh why don't you come and live with us", I don't in his defense think he intended the sudden rush of migration from Asia that ensued but because he had said it the TORY party facilitated it even more than old Labour whom then got accused (by the ultra right idiots) ever did.

So coming out of the EU is not going to stop migration into our nation at all and is unlikely even to slow it down (though we may have one or two less organised crime eastern European begging syndicates).

It is NOT going to save our fisheries, we will still have French, Portuguese, Spanish and even norther European ship's taking our stock in our waters and we don't - thank's to Cameron whom got us into this mess - have the naval assets to even provide a token gesture to police our waters and will have no money to provide those assets afterwards, our fishermen will end up having to sell us there fish for less than they currently do and we will end up having to allow EU boats to dock and sell us there stock (probably fished in our waters) at there prices.

So once again only LABOUR has a sensible answer a new referendum with the public now clued up a bit more than they were with the lies told to us before the last one (AFTER they have negotiated a better deal that will not harm our country and only to give us a final DEMOCRATIC say on the issue).

originally posted by: LABTECH767
People are likely to vote Johnson back in, I do not like the guy as prime minister even though he is mildly entertaining but so many fear Corbyn for some reason even though a lot of what he say's is correct.

/smh

On the strength that Corbyn can not disarm us as that would require an overwhelming majority in parliament, on the strength that he if a bad prime minister would be removed by his own party before the next election I am going to vote Labour, they are now the only party that will give us a second say on the referendum but are still going to work toward Brexit without the 70 billion pound hit that the Tory's will inflict on our public services.

What makes you, or even him even think, never mind believe that he can

negotiate a better deal with the EU and then he plans to have another

referendum with his new deal or remain

I can just see him and Barnier together..... Him screaming and Barnier saying

Non!

They are the only Party that actually PLAN to end homelessness and end the food bank scandal that the Tory's have inflicted on our society, the only party that plan to take back control of the public industry's British tax payers out of our own property and the only party that ACTUALLY CARES about the British people

Planning and actually getting done are two seperate issues!! At the last election

he had students rallying JC4PM because he had said he would scrap student fees

then had to back track because he hadn't costed it properly.

He cares so much about the people that anyone who has or is buying any home.

even the most modest one is going to be taxed on their garden or parking spaces

he only problem I have with them is I don't know if they have the brain's to pull off there grand schemes;/b] or if instead we well see the likes of the new Labour lout's all over again whom once they gained power only helped themselves to titles and money, will power corrupt or will they stick to there promises.

They haven't think Dianne Abbot and those lesser female MP's (their names

escape me) you see acting like fishwives at PM's questions.

At any rate Johnson has broken his own word and failed to fall on his sword when he failed to deliver his version of a devastating Brexit

You can't do a lot when you've been trussed up like a turkey.

At least Labour are going to give us a second referendum NOW THAT WE ARE CLUED UP on the matter and know what it will cost our economy AFTER they negotiate a better deal than the Tory's

NO ONE WANTS A SECOND REFERENDUM

We havent had a FIRST YET.

So common sense, life or loath Corbyn Labour is the only rational choice.

In your dreams.

a reply to: eletheia

If I thought that Boris CARED about the people on the streets dying in the gutters of our nation, the children going to school starving and the parent's whom have to choose between feeding there kid's, heating the house or eating themselves I would vote for him but sadly which is worse?.

Corbyn who cares though some of his belief's need to be mended OR Boris whom is all my arse you tell me.

a reply to: LABTECH767

Corbyn is a security risk.

He supports the IRA and has shared a platform with Sinn Fein.
He refused to condemn Irish terrorism whilst at the same time openly criticised our Armed Forces.
He's pals with Hezbollah and Hamas.
In an ever more complicated world with increasing security issues he would unilaterally disarm the UK - against the advice of military and political experts.

I wouldn't be that surprised if the Armed Forces revolted if he was elected to be effectively their Commander-In-Chief.

He will extend the right to buy to private tenants.
So the working man who has worked hard, bought a second property and rents it out at a modest profit in order to save for his retirement will lose that property, possibly even at a loss.

I could go on and on.

The man is an arsehole.

I like some of the Labour Party's domestic and social policies, disagree with some but in a world of unicorns and rainbows his policies would be terrific.
But we don't, it's a real and hard world and The Labour Party needs a heavy dose of realism.

Under Corbyn The Labour Party has become undemocratic, intolerant and perhaps even bigoted.
It has abandoned its traditional core vote in order to represent every and any minority, its dominated by idealistic and condescending champagne socialists who are as far removed from the ordinary, everyday British voter as both The Tories and LibDems are.

This country is crying out for someone to stand up for the wishes and best interests of ordinary, everyday, hard working British people.

a reply to: SprocketUK

I'm seriously thinking about starting a new petition on the government website asking that if the government as it stands can't get organised and actually deliver what the majority of the public has voted for, then we should remove all politicians from their posts, and from Parliament itself, as our current political system has collpased as all the parties involved ever do is seem to blame each other for what is happening rather than actually sorting out the issues at hand.
They should stop the blame game, and do their jobs, and now all it seems to be is a gravy train for those that want to simply feather their own nests as a career and not do what the public has asked of them.
I'd need to word it correctly though and get 5 emails from people who'd support it, I don't have no friends, wnder if it would work?.

Politicians regardless of A: what they're own beliefs are, B: their constituants voted for if they are in the minority and C: what their party line is, they should focus on what the majority of the public want, after all we are supposed to live in a democracy?.

Any politican who wants back in has to sign a new contract with the public, that they will do what the majority want, will not accept donations, funds or positions on boards of corporate entites or accept advice from lobbyists, and should the majority of the public lose faith in them offer to resign immediately with no golden handshake, in fact they must work bloody hard in order to keep their jobs, just like the rest of us.

Sooner or later I can see the public heading over to Parliament ala V for vendetta style and storming the building, At least this way there'd be fewer issues.

a reply to: illuminnaughty

I agree hang the lot of them. Nothing but a bunch of useless tw@ts, every one of them.

but you'll be voting for one of them anyway?.

I can't vote Tory, as my local MP is Iain Duncan Smith. The man's an imbecile (I've met him) and he supports Boris Johnson, a man who I utterly loathe as I think that he's completely untrustworthy. He's a man who will smile in your face right up until he gets what he wants and then will knife you in the back and abandon you. The fact that he's utterly alienated the DUP says everything about him.
I can't vote Labour because again I've met the local Labour candidate and she too is useless. Worse, I talked to one of her key advisers who told me that the whole anti-Semitism problem in the ranks of Labour is, and I quote, 'A lot of fuss over nothing'. I lost my temper when he said that and told him to get off my property.
I can't vote Brexit because I regard Brexit as being a catastrophic mistake that will cause this country hideous economic damage. I also regard Farage as a complete Tosser.
I'm voting Lib Dem. I know the candidate, I agree with him on a wide range of things, I know that the Lib Dems will not go into any kind of coalition with anyone (who the hell would be stupid enough to believe Boris Johnson on anything????) and above all I want to say Bollocks to Brexit as loud as I can. I am not a traitor and anyone who calls me that is an absolute freaking imbecile. I want what's best for this country and I do not believe all this Brexiter pie in the sky nonsense of how it will lead to free beer and puppies (in about ten years after we've cut our own throats).
I await the inevitable nonsense that will be thrown at me.

a reply to: Soloprotocol

Hello Ian.

originally posted by: DataWraith
a reply to: SprocketUK


Sooner or later I can see the public heading over to Parliament ala V for vendetta style and storming the building, At least this way there'd be fewer issues.

And Putin will be rubbing his hands together with glee. "It worked" he will think to himself.

There are bigger things at play here, papers are being written about it as we speak.

a reply to: AngryCymraeg

I won't throw any nonsense at you ☺️ but I shall be voting for my Tory MP who is currently holding the seat in my constituency.
I voted remain in the referendum and I passionately believe in carrying out the result of that before any talk of another referendum. I knew full well it could cause major challenges in the short to medium term because the remain campaign clearly spelt it out before I voted. Anyone who claims ignorance about that is either illiterate or didn't read the remain propaganda.

My constituency overwhelmingly voted leave, as did my nation in our union, and the UK overall albeit a small margin in majority.
I respect your opinion, and the opinions of whichever experts you can quote to support your doom claims, but I can equally produce experts who disagree.
Experts are just as split as our citizens are so neither of us will ever win the debate, so I wish you and all remainers the best, but it looks like democracy will win in a few months now, and if so, I hope you guys can embrace the change and pull together accepting that you lost, democratically.
👍❤️

originally posted by: DaisyRainbow
a reply to: AngryCymraeg

I won't throw any nonsense at you ☺️ but I shall be voting for my Tory MP who is currently holding the seat in my constituency.
I voted remain in the referendum and I passionately believe in carrying out the result of that before any talk of another referendum. I knew full well it could cause major challenges in the short to medium term because the remain campaign clearly spelt it out before I voted. Anyone who claims ignorance about that is either illiterate or didn't read the remain propaganda.

My constituency overwhelmingly voted leave, as did my nation in our union, and the UK overall albeit a small margin in majority.
I respect your opinion, and the opinions of whichever experts you can quote to support your doom claims, but I can equally produce experts who disagree.
Experts are just as split as our citizens are so neither of us will ever win the debate, so I wish you and all remainers the best, but it looks like democracy will win in a few months now, and if so, I hope you guys can embrace the change and pull together accepting that you lost, democratically.
👍❤️

Thank you for such a decent and mature response. All the best to you too.

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg
I am not a traitor and anyone who calls me that is an absolute freaking imbecile.I want what's best for this country and I do not believe all this Brexiter pie in the sky nonsense of how it will lead to free beer and puppies (in about ten years after we've cut our own throats).

You Know what is beat for the country ?

^^^^That^^^^ is only an opinion, your opinion.....NOT FACT.

Your fully entitled to your views, however we are living in a a democracy and

17.4 million people dont share your opinion.

So to carry out democracy and the will of the majority .....WE LEAVE asap.

originally posted by: Freeborn
A predicament.

I guess I'm what many would call a traditional Labour voter.
Not because I agree with everything they propose or because I disagree with everything The Tories and even LibDems support but because they were most aligned with my own personal opinions especially on domestic and social issues.

But I can not vote for a candidate that could enable Jeremy Corbyn becoming Prime Minister, I detest the man and what he stands for to my very core.

But neither do I want Boris Johnson as PM post-Brexit.

The Tories and their austerity programme has been nothing more than the pursuit of a political ideology that has targeted the most vulnerable and needy in our society wrapped us and sold as an economic necessity.

Jo Swinson and the LibDems are probably the most anti-democratic and condescending option and hold no appeal at all.

Yet I am a passionate Brexit supporter.

Like many traditional Labour voters I would find it incredibly hard to vote Tory yet the prospect of Corbyn as PM is even more unappealing than Boris......

This election will be dominated by Brexit and none of the options have proven themselves worthy of my vote over the last three and a half years.

But which party do I want running this country post-Brexit and who should be PM?

The simple answer is none of the above!

A quandary and something I shall have to think long and hard about before casting my vote.

I hope the electorate in general do the same and think about what sort of United Kingdom do we want after this election?

None of the options available warrant my support at present.

Couldn't of said it better myself. I'm pretty much in the same boat as you. the top three parties are all as bad as each other. I have no idea who to vote for

Labour want a 2nd referendum.. as a 'Brexiteer/Leaver' call it what you will that puts me off voting for them

Tory .. never liked the party, always helping the rich. They will get done but the deal won't be 'for the people' it will be done to benefit Europe making us still have ties to the EU and will be done in a way to benefit the rich and corporate leaders

Lib Dems .. they want to stop Brexit completely so that's a massive no from me

A part of me is thinking why bother voting again, nothing has ever changed for the better since I began voting. But another part of me is vote but for one of the lesser parties just sonny vote can be counted

Either way British politics is a shambles, they have the cheek to call each other honourable in Parliament when really none of them are honourable none of them have any interest in making the country any better they are all in it for themselves. All that head bowing and fancy gowns when they go through their procedure in the commons just makes me laugh. I know it's tradition but it just shows they are all out of touch with modern day life