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To Lefties: Why Won't Nancy Vote On A Proper Impeachment Resolution?

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posted on Oct, 29 2019 @ 11:50 AM
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In response to my own previous post, it looks like Nancy knows that the investigation should be handled by the Judiciary Committee and is going to turn the reins back over to Nadler and away from Schiff and his Intelligence Committee.


The Judiciary Committee had been criticized by both parties for conducting an impeachment proceeding that had devolved into theatrics, but House Speaker Nancy Pelosi announced Monday she’ll move the inquiry back to the panel some time after the House votes Thursday on a resolution to formalize the proceedings.


Here's why Pelosi decided to take the investigation away from Nadler in the first place...


Judiciary Committee Chairman Jerry Nadler has largely been silent since House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff took over the proceedings in late September.

Pelosi shifted the inquiry after Nadler’s hearings were ridiculed for featuring such witnesses as former Watergate figure and convicted felon John Dean.


Once again, we should be asking ourselves why Schiff left the Judiciary Committee out of the loop when they are the ones who should have been holding the investigation inquiry to begin with...


Nadler has not been in the room for any of the witness questioning because he is not a member of the Intelligence, Foreign Affairs, or Government Oversight and Reform committees, the only panels invited to attend.


Even though the above committees are supposed to be passing their finding on to the Judiciary Committee, it doesn't make sense that Schiff hasn't allowed them to sit in and listen to depositions.

www.washingtonexaminer.com...


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posted on Oct, 29 2019 @ 12:11 PM
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a reply to: Deetermined

Here is the PDF with the House Rules.

Chapter 27 is titled "Impeachment" starting on page 603.

I've skimmed through the parts there on "Procedure in the House" and it would seem that the language is somewhat vague. Which I imagine is on purpose. Page 614.


Under the modern practice, an impeachment is normally instituted by the House by the adoption of a resolution calling for a committee investigation of charges against the officer in question. This committee may, after investigation, recommend the dismissal of charges or it may recommend impeachment.


This here just says committee. No specific committee is specified.

The House Practice: A Guide to the Rules, Precedents and Procedures of the House

BTW these rules were last updated in 2015.
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posted on Oct, 29 2019 @ 12:26 PM
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a reply to: grey580

The part I'm talking about can be found on page 615...


Referral to Committee Resolutions introduced through the hopper that directly call for an im-peachment are referred to the Committee on the Judiciary, whereas resolu-tions merely calling for a committee investigation with a view toward im-peachment are referred to the Committee on Rules. Deschler Ch 14 §§ 5.10, 5.11. In the 105th Congress the House adopted a privileged resolution re-ported by the Committee on Rules referring a communication from an inde-pendent counsel alleging certain impeachable offenses against President Wil-liam J. Clinton to the Committee on the Judiciary. Later, the House adopted a privileged resolution reported by the Committee on the Judiciary author-izing an impeachment inquiry by that committee. Manual § 603. All impeachments to reach the Senate since 1900 have been based on resolutions reported by the Committee on the Judiciary. Before that commit-tee’s creation in 1813, impeachments were referred to a special committee for investigation. Manual § 603; 6 Cannon § 657.



posted on Oct, 29 2019 @ 12:33 PM
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House Democrats are already saying "The Vote" will be delayed until next week !! 😃



posted on Oct, 29 2019 @ 12:36 PM
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a reply to: Deetermined

I see. However here's a question.


Referral to Committee Resolutions introduced through the hopper that directly call for an impeachment are referred to the Committee on the Judiciary


Is the current inquiry directly calling for an impeachment? Or is it only investigating if there was an impeachable offense? Was the hopper bypassed?

I think that this is where distinction may lay.
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posted on Oct, 29 2019 @ 12:38 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

They need to make sure that the resolution sounds good while leaving room for more shenanigans. LOL!



posted on Oct, 29 2019 @ 12:40 PM
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a reply to: JustJohnny




So kinda easier and no risk just to let him lose the election. Especially since this term would likely be over before the paperwork finished.


It appears thats what the Dems are hoping for. Throw enough mud around and hope that it sticks in the mind of "low information" voters. They're desperate to get rid of him after all the dirt of the Dems children making heaps of loot in the Ukraine coming out.

When you're guilty of the very crime you accuse the other of; scream and keep screaming the loudest.

All about optics and biding time - all the electorate will remember is vague "guilt" by dirt being aired the loudest.



posted on Oct, 29 2019 @ 12:45 PM
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originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: Gryphon66




. Impeachment is the sole power of the House.


No.

Peas and Carrots.

House starts it.

Senate gets the final say.

Those checks and balances eh.



You made the same mistake many do.

Impeachment is the vote of the House identifying crimes/reasons to remove.

Acquittal or removal based on the House charges is what the Senate does.



posted on Oct, 29 2019 @ 12:46 PM
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a reply to: neo96

Nope.

Representatives and Senators are not impeached/removed.

The body they belong to removes them with a 2/3 vote.



posted on Oct, 29 2019 @ 12:52 PM
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a reply to: grey580

According to what I copied and pasted, all INVESTIGATION REQUESTS used to go through the "Committee on Rules" before it made it's way to the Judiciary Committee to conduct the investigation.

Here's what their website is currently showing...




The Committee on Rules will meet on Wednesday, October 30, 2019 at 3:00 PM in H-313, The Capitol on the following measure:

H. Res. ___ — Directing certain committees to continue their ongoing investigations as part of the existing House of Representatives inquiry into whether sufficient grounds exist for the House of Representatives to exercise its Constitutional power to impeach Donald John Trump, President of the United States of America, and for other purposes. [Original Jurisdiction Markup]


rules.house.gov...

LOL! I'm not sure what to make of that statement!



posted on Oct, 29 2019 @ 12:59 PM
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a reply to: Dfairlite

It would be reckless to have a premature vote if the evidence for supporting the vote were not present or collected for people to review.

There used to be time when Republicans were the least reckless. There used to be a time when Republicans were staunchly against American Adventurism. What has happened to the Republican party? It's like the Republican party is now in many ways exactly the same as the Democratic Party.


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posted on Oct, 29 2019 @ 01:03 PM
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a reply to: Deetermined

House Resolutions are sent to the Committee that the matter regards (in this case Rules) for investigation and vote. If the resolution makes it out of Committee it goes to the full House.



posted on Oct, 29 2019 @ 01:04 PM
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a reply to: Deetermined

Looking at what you pasted, there's specificity as to what goes to the Judiciary Committee. And in what I pasted it merely said Committee.

heh. let's have a meeting to say that it's ok for this committee to keep on looking into Trump and let us know your findings.



posted on Oct, 29 2019 @ 01:05 PM
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It would be reckless to have a premature vote if the evidence for supporting the vote was not present.


The problem with that is that Jerry Nadler announced this unofficial impeachment inquiry 4 days (August 8th) before the whistleblower even filed his complaint on August 12th, but now it looks like they're going to try and wrap this whole impeachment around that complaint, based on another announcement made from the Committee on Rules...


WASHINGTON, DC — As the House prepares to begin the public-facing phase of its impeachment inquiry into the conduct of President Donald Trump, Rules Committee Chairman James P. McGovern (D-MA) announced today that the Rules Committee will mark up a resolution that will ensure transparency and provide a clear path forward on Wednesday, October 30th at 3pm ET in H-313, The Capitol. Chairman McGovern, who will introduce the resolution in the House tomorrow, released the following statement:

“This is a solemn time for our country. With our existing authority under the Constitution and the rules of the House, Congress has been investigating serious allegations involving President Trump and Ukraine. There is mounting evidence that the president abused his power and betrayed our national security while compromising the integrity of America’s elections. As committees continue to gather evidence and prepare to present their findings, I will be introducing a resolution to ensure transparency and provide a clear path forward, which the Rules Committee will mark up this week. This is the right thing to do for the institution and the American people.”


rules.house.gov...



posted on Oct, 29 2019 @ 01:39 PM
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posted on Oct, 29 2019 @ 01:53 PM
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a reply to: Gryphon66



You made the same mistake many do.


Not effing hardly.



the Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments


www.senate.gov...




Impeachment is the vote of the House identifying crimes/reasons to remove.


Which don't mean a whole hell of a lot after the last three years.

Racist,Russia,Stormy,Ford.



posted on Oct, 29 2019 @ 01:55 PM
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a reply to: Deetermined




The problem with that is that Jerry Nadler announced this unofficial impeachment inquiry 4 days (August 8th) before the whistleblower even filed his complaint on August 12th,

oops math issue
like we can't do math



posted on Oct, 29 2019 @ 02:02 PM
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Someone needs to explain to me why Ukraine is even an issue.

When the last president ILLEGALLY spied on Trump.

Trumps challenger. That's names (C) Linton hired a british spy to dig up dirt on Trump and then used it to weaponize federal leo and the media for Clintons benefit.

Tell me.

Just exactly who the EFF needs to be impeached.



posted on Oct, 29 2019 @ 02:14 PM
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a reply to: neo96

It just goes to show you how desperate Democrats are to find ANYTHING they can to remove Trump before everything else gets revealed.



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