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To Lefties: Why Won't Nancy Vote On A Proper Impeachment Resolution?

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posted on Oct, 29 2019 @ 05:24 AM
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a reply to: Dfairlite

I think they are leery after the gop paid such a price over Clinton’s after the fact impeachment..but that isn’t relevant, this case is while trump is in office and way worse than lying..

I do not see any benefit for a pro-trump Democrat. It would be political suicide for a dem to vote no..




Most likely it is a risk vs. reward assessment.. trump only has one year left..


He BARELY won vs. Hilary Clinton who was the weakest candidate ever..,trump has made no new supporters since being elected.. He has made more enemies though.

So kinda easier and no risk just to let him lose the election. Especially since this term would likely be over before the paperwork finished.




posted on Oct, 29 2019 @ 05:46 AM
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a reply to: dawnstar

I provided three examples in the OP. These are articles that authorize a committee to begin an impeachment inquiry. But thursday is not that vote. Thursday is some "affirmation" vote. Will it be a formal authorization for the committee to proceed? Doubtful. Just more theatrics is likely.




but no, genius has to go and do the same danged thing hes been accused of doing during the last campaign!



LOL, you know I hadn't realized it was just the exact same play book recycled. I should have because that's all the left knows how to do, but you're right. Just like they falsely accused him of colluding with russia in 2016, they're falsely accusing him of colluding with ukraine for 2020.



posted on Oct, 29 2019 @ 05:48 AM
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a reply to: JustJohnny



So kinda easier and no risk just to let him lose the election. Especially since this term would likely be over before the paperwork finished.


Yep, this should go bye bye until after the election. Let the american people decide.



posted on Oct, 29 2019 @ 06:09 AM
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originally posted by: underwerks
a reply to: Dfairlite


To Lefties: Why Won't Nancy Vote On A Proper Impeachment Resolution?


Because it isn't required. And it doesn't really make sense to vote on articles of impeachment until the investigation is over with.

Once the investigation is over and they have all the information they want, then they'll vote. It's in their best interest to hold out as long as possible and gather as much information as they can to make the best case for when it goes before the Senate.

That isn't spin, it's just how impeachment works. If this were some kind of criminal case you wouldn't charge the defendant before the investigation is finished..


And yet, a president giving up his taxes isn't required, but it's customary and happened in the past. Ya'll are all in for seeing his taxes, but refuse to understand or acknowledge the rights anger over this. It's what's called a "double standard".



posted on Oct, 29 2019 @ 06:36 AM
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The Democrat strategy seems pretty simple in my opinion.

They know they have no chance at impeaching Donald Trump on process; either because they don't have enough support amongst themselves in the house or because the Senate would never impeach their president over such a travel accusation this close to a national election... or both more likely.

They also know that an impeachment this close to a national election is a waist of time in an off itself. If they truly believed that they had the support of the American people to remove a president from office they wouldn't need to impeach him at this time. They could use that support to sail into a clear victory next November... and probably pick up more seats in Congress riding the "we must remove trump" wave on election day. Removing him now deflates that balloon.

So knowing all of this; knowing that they don't have the support of Congress or the American people for impeachment and that in and of itself impeachment wouldn't be the correct strategic move even if they had the support... the only explanation left is that their actions are political theater. Its an "October Surprise" that they thought they'd get an early jump on for maximum effect... and it won't be the last one...

Disgraced news journalist Mark Halperin, former senior political analyst for MSNBC until sexual harassment allegations surfaced; just came out with a new book documenting his interviews with top Democrat strategist on the topic of "how to beat Trump"



Mark Halperin interviewed the nation’s most experienced political strategists to discover what they think the Democratic nominee needs to do to win the 270 electoral votes required for victory.

Amazon link


The consensus of the strategists is that the Democrat nominee will have a difficult time defeating Trump next November because Trump thieves on causing chaos and the Democrat nominees (being traditional politicians) won't have what it takes to deal with the chaos. Everything that goes on between now and next November (including this "impeachment") are the Democrats trying to level the playing field.

Stop trying to look for "meaning" in their actions ... there deliberately isn't any.



posted on Oct, 29 2019 @ 07:01 AM
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a reply to: DanDanDat

I like your post and think it's pretty accurate. But I did get a chuckle that you spent five paragraphs explaining why they're doing what they're doing only to end with this line:



Stop trying to look for "meaning" in their actions ... there deliberately isn't any.


Good irony. But all funny wording aside, when you say you think there is no reason for what they're doing are you saying they're trying to create chaos for trump in order to level the chaotic playing field he creates?



posted on Oct, 29 2019 @ 07:20 AM
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Yes but most of the tools of investigation like subpoenas and the like are only given full force of law in the House after actual votes in either committee or the full House which has not happened in this case and is why those letters being sent are being ignored --> THEY AREN'T ACTUAL SUBPOENAS.

If the House wanted a full and legal investigation, they need to actually take a vote, but that would open up the procedure to give certain powers to Republicans too. For example, they would be able to issue their own subpoenas and be full participants in the process.



posted on Oct, 29 2019 @ 07:22 AM
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originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: underwerks
a reply to: Dfairlite


To Lefties: Why Won't Nancy Vote On A Proper Impeachment Resolution?


Because it isn't required. And it doesn't really make sense to vote on articles of impeachment until the investigation is over with.

Once the investigation is over and they have all the information they want, then they'll vote. It's in their best interest to hold out as long as possible and gather as much information as they can to make the best case for when it goes before the Senate.

That isn't spin, it's just how impeachment works. If this were some kind of criminal case you wouldn't charge the defendant before the investigation is finished..


And yet, a president giving up his taxes isn't required, but it's customary and happened in the past. Ya'll are all in for seeing his taxes, but refuse to understand or acknowledge the rights anger over this. It's what's called a "double standard".


It's hysterical that they think it's bad for an elected official to investigate a political opponent for corruption because it might impede his election chances and tamper with the election, but isn't that exactly what they're now doing in the House?



posted on Oct, 29 2019 @ 07:24 AM
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originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: underwerks
a reply to: Dfairlite


To Lefties: Why Won't Nancy Vote On A Proper Impeachment Resolution?


Because it isn't required. And it doesn't really make sense to vote on articles of impeachment until the investigation is over with.

Once the investigation is over and they have all the information they want, then they'll vote. It's in their best interest to hold out as long as possible and gather as much information as they can to make the best case for when it goes before the Senate.

That isn't spin, it's just how impeachment works. If this were some kind of criminal case you wouldn't charge the defendant before the investigation is finished..


And yet, a president giving up his taxes isn't required, but it's customary and happened in the past. Ya'll are all in for seeing his taxes, but refuse to understand or acknowledge the rights anger over this. It's what's called a "double standard".


It's hysterical that they think it's bad for an elected official to investigate a political opponent for corruption because it might impede his election chances and tamper with the election, but isn't that exactly what they're now doing in the House?


Is there a DOJ investigation of Joe Biden? What are his specific crimes? Aside from, you know, being Joe Biden and the Democratic front-runner?


(post by PurpleFox removed for a manners violation)

posted on Oct, 29 2019 @ 07:36 AM
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originally posted by: JustJohnny
a reply to: Dfairlite

He BARELY won vs. Hilary Clinton who was the weakest candidate ever..,trump has made no new supporters since being elected.. He has made more enemies though.

So kinda easier and no risk just to let him lose the election. Especially since this term would likely be over before the paperwork finished.




Yeah, you tell 'em. Just like last election when you thought Trump would lose in a landslide.

Trump will definitely be out this time. The DNC is running an exciting primary where the top candidates are falling all over themselves trying to appeal to as many illegal aliens and goverment teat-suckers as possible. Meanwhile the last DNC pick for POTUS is calling the best Dem candidate a Russian asset.

Yep, blue wave incoming.



posted on Oct, 29 2019 @ 07:38 AM
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a reply to: Ksihkehe

I don't agree completely with your assertions but I have to say, you have a way with words. I usually say the Dems are masters at seizing defeat from the jaws of victory but you said it so much better!

Thanks for an early morning chuckle. Honestly.

edit on 29-10-2019 by Gryphon66 because: Noted



posted on Oct, 29 2019 @ 07:41 AM
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So a 'whistleblower' that works for the CIA or some other alphabet agency that's remained nameless.

Unlike Snowden or Manning.

Is enough to find something Mueller didn't.

Pelosi and company are going to drag this Double scoops of bull crap with some horse crap piled on top out until voting time next year.

Trump haters still haven't found their critical thinking skills yet, and it don't look like they ever will.

For three long years we've watch Pelosi's entire party, their gestapo agents and federal leo, and lame stream media do everything to stage their little coup d'etat.


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posted on Oct, 29 2019 @ 07:44 AM
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a reply to: neo96
Exactly, like Americans haven’t noticed what is really going on.



posted on Oct, 29 2019 @ 07:57 AM
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a reply to: neo96

Umm.. the ukraine thing didnt start till after mueller finished his investigation, did it? Probably why mueller couldn't find it..



posted on Oct, 29 2019 @ 07:59 AM
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a reply to: Dfairlite


Yes, we all know they're going to vote on some procedure affirmation BS, but why won't she hold a normal vote?


Pelosi is trying so hard to confuse everyone as to what's going on. There's a real possibility that the vote on Thursday is an official or "normal" vote for the impeachment inquiry, but she's just saying it's not to confuse their useful idiots. They need an official inquiry to counter the Trump admin argument that they won't turn over documentation or testimony because their process is illegitimate and to keep others from filing with a court to see whether or not they even need to answer to their "subpoenas".



posted on Oct, 29 2019 @ 08:07 AM
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originally posted by: Dfairlite
a reply to: DanDanDat

I like your post and think it's pretty accurate. But I did get a chuckle that you spent five paragraphs explaining why they're doing what they're doing only to end with this line:



Stop trying to look for "meaning" in their actions ... there deliberately isn't any.


Good irony. But all funny wording aside, when you say you think there is no reason for what they're doing are you saying they're trying to create chaos for trump in order to level the chaotic playing field he creates?


Yes.

While yes one could correctly argue that there is "meaning" behind the overall strategy of "create chaos for trump in order to level the chaotic playing field he creates" ... individual movies ("why is Pelosi holding a invalid impeachment inquiry vote in order to validate the impeachment inquiry") don't need to have strategic value beyond the Democrats trying to create their own black swan against Trump.



posted on Oct, 29 2019 @ 08:20 AM
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a reply to: Deetermined

Interesting. So the White House clamors for a full House vote, Pelosi gives them one, and now that's not sufficient either?

Sounds like it's never going to be good enough don't it?
edit on 29-10-2019 by Gryphon66 because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 29 2019 @ 08:26 AM
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a reply to: Dfairlite

You only had a memorandum of ten minutes of a thirty minute phone call.
Its in the public record what time the call began and what time it ended.
Testimony has laid out a continued attempt to extort information from the Ukrainian president including holding out promises of a white house visit (which, of course we know has occurred.) Not just in this phone call but by many attempts through Rudy Giuliani, through William Barr and through Gordon Sondland. If you think the case relies only on the phone call you are mistaken. The scheme is being revealed and confirmed by everyone that gives a deposition.

They are going to review everything today, will present it to the full house tomorrow for discussion and debate and will vote on Thursday.
Moving right along.



posted on Oct, 29 2019 @ 08:28 AM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: Deetermined

Interesting. So the White House clamors for a full House vote, Pelosi gives them one, and now that's not sufficient either?

Sounds like it's never going to be good enough don't it?


It remains to be seen. We'll have to wait until Thursday to see if their "resolution" actually contains what they are claiming it does. Many of the Republican politicians don't trust that they're going to do what they claim they're going to.




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