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Illegal immigration: The fix everyone ignores, likely because it would obviously work..

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posted on Oct, 29 2019 @ 12:39 AM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Edumakated



Democrats were all against illegal immigration until Trump came along and they decided illegals would be a new voting block.

Non-citizens cannot vote in federal elections.

But sure, divert from the fact that US employers illegally hire undocumented aliens. Leave them alone. They're just entrepreneurs.


Who says they are going to stay "non-citizens"? We already have Democrats fighting asking if people are illegal or not on the census. The motivation is that they want illegals counted in population for congressional representation.

For someone to be so sharp on scientific issues, you sometimes lack common sense. TDS is really affecting you.

How did I divert from employers hiring illegals? Did I not say BOTH parties have their motivations? I support E-verify and other approaches to discourage employers from hiring illegals. Illegals should be cut off at every avenue.




posted on Oct, 29 2019 @ 12:42 AM
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originally posted by: carsforkids
a reply to: Phage

I agree the employer has responsibility. But trying to build a
case against an employer based on whether or not he met his
responsibility? When presented with fraudulent legal documentation?
Is that worth prosecuting? IDK but I doubt it. They are legal documents
until they are filled out fraudulently are they not?




Here in Chicago, we had a freaking City Council member indicted in a fraudulent ID scheme for illegals. One of his family members was producing fake driver's licenses and socials at a flea market to sell to illegals. One of the illegals just happened to use it to get a commercial trucking licenses and wound up killing a family in a car accident.



posted on Oct, 29 2019 @ 12:43 AM
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a reply to: Edumakated




We already have Democrats fighting asking if people are illegal or not on the census.

The actual question was "are you a US citizen."


Illegals should be cut off at every avenue.
No matter what! Right?
And those who hire them should be locked up! Right?



posted on Oct, 29 2019 @ 12:50 AM
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a reply to: Edumakated




Here in Chicago, we had a freaking City Council member indicted in a fraudulent ID scheme for illegals. One of his family members was producing fake driver's licenses and socials at a flea market to sell to illegals. One of the illegals just happened to use it to get a commercial trucking licenses and wound up killing a family in a car accident.


And facts like this aren't even on the democrats radar. Why? Because
all the caring we do see from them is fake ass photo grief. They don't give
a crap about you me or any american citizen.



posted on Oct, 29 2019 @ 12:59 AM
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a reply to: Phage

I was referring more to the documents that an employee must fill out to
gain employment in the U.S. I'm pretty sure if an employer has all that is
required in order and has sent copies to the right govt entities as required
he has met his responsibility. It isn't up to an employer to launch an
investigation.

Am I wrong about something here ?


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posted on Oct, 29 2019 @ 01:04 AM
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I was referring more to the documents that an employee must fill out to gain employment in the U.S. I'm pretty sure if an employer has all that is required in order and has sent copies to the right govt entities as required he has met his responsibility.
An employer has no responsibility to send anything to anyone.



Am I wrong about something here ?
Yes. Due diligence on the part of the employer. If an employer has any reason to doubt the validity of documentation which is presented, he can legally refuse to hire the applicant until their status can be verified by the Government.


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posted on Oct, 29 2019 @ 01:13 AM
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Well this is the document I was under impression had to be
faxed over to homeland security.




And an employer can legally refuse to hire anyone period.



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posted on Oct, 29 2019 @ 01:17 AM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Edumakated



Democrats were all against illegal immigration until Trump came along and they decided illegals would be a new voting block.

Non-citizens cannot vote in federal elections.

But sure, divert from the fact that US employers illegally hire undocumented aliens. Leave them alone. They're just entrepreneurs.


Non-citizens can still be counted as part of the population of a state, which in turn can give the state more electoral votes.

And more people in the House of Representatives.




posted on Oct, 29 2019 @ 01:19 AM
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a reply to: Lumenari




Non-citizens can still be counted as part of the population of a state, which in turn can give the state more electoral votes.

I don't know why everyone says you're dumb.



posted on Oct, 29 2019 @ 01:21 AM
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a reply to: carsforkids




And an employer can legally refuse to hire anyone period.

Is that what you think that says?



posted on Oct, 29 2019 @ 01:23 AM
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a reply to: Phage

NOPE! But how is that not true?



posted on Oct, 29 2019 @ 01:26 AM
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a reply to: carsforkids

Seriously? Ok, here's an easy one.
An employer cannot refuse to hire a person based on their race.



posted on Oct, 29 2019 @ 01:34 AM
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An employer cannot refuse to hire a person based on their race.


Pretty much common knowledge. But that in no way obligates an empolyer
to hire the first person that walks thru the door. Unless some new law was
passed recently making interviews illegal.

And the eligibility VERIFICATION form seems pretty explanatory so what's
your argument miho?


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posted on Oct, 29 2019 @ 01:40 AM
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My argument is that the Feds seem far more interested in busting the employees rather than the employers. Sort of like busting the junkies.

At a lower level, the laws don't seem to fit the times.


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posted on Oct, 29 2019 @ 01:46 AM
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a reply to: Phage

I agree it does seem that way.
But the legal system is what it is and I just don't believe that
at all. It comes down to what can be proven in court as usual.



posted on Oct, 29 2019 @ 01:47 AM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Lumenari




Non-citizens can still be counted as part of the population of a state, which in turn can give the state more electoral votes.

I don't know why everyone says you're dumb.


I'm not sure why everyone thinks I'm dumb either, since a population count that includes non-citizens should be a concern to American citizens...


Based on the 2010 Census, Louisiana, Missouri, and Ohio each lost a seat in the House and a vote in the Electoral College, while Montana failed to gain a seat and an electoral vote. By contrast, California gained two House seats and two Electoral College votes. And Florida and Texas each gained one seat and one vote.


They gained seats and electoral college votes because the census counted illegal immigrants as well.

Alabama currently has a lawsuit about it...

Lawsuit PDF


Alabama’s final complaint is monetary. Including illegal immigrants in the census, it says, will likely cause it to lose its fair share of the almost $700 billion distributed annually by the federal government in grants and other funds.


States are gaining more Federal monies because illegal immigrants are being counted as well.

So help dumb me here... that's not a concern?



posted on Oct, 29 2019 @ 01:47 AM
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a reply to: carsforkids




It comes down to what can be proven in court as usual.

As designed.

However, I still haven't heard much about those Mississippi meat packers.



posted on Oct, 29 2019 @ 01:50 AM
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They gained seats and electoral college votes because the census counted illegal immigrants as well.


Good old Wilbur.

That's the reason why. You're sure about that. Too bad all that stuff about redistricting came up. Too bad they couldn't get the story straight. Maybe the SCOTUS would have bought it, otherwise.


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posted on Oct, 29 2019 @ 01:54 AM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Lumenari




They gained seats and electoral college votes because the census counted illegal immigrants as well.


Good old Wilbur.

That's the reason why. You're sure about that. Too bad all that stuff about redistricting came up. Too bad they couldn't get the story straight. Maybe the SCOTUS would have bought it, otherwise.



This SCOTUS Case?

That case was about redistricting, not apportionment.

But you knew that.

So help poor dumb me out one more time...

To you is counting illegal immigrants in a census OK so that certain states get more political power and Federal money?

Just wondering.



posted on Oct, 29 2019 @ 01:55 AM
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However, I still haven't heard much about those Mississippi meat packers.


Lol I haven't either and the reason is most probably because it's a non event.
And I'm sure you know how the media is with those. Over the shoulder and on to
next issue.
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