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Sanders and Tlaib do interview in front of empty grocery shelves

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posted on Oct, 28 2019 @ 11:32 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
So a person can't pay their water bill but can afford bottled water by the case?

I'm confused.

You’re not as confused as you think I am

Perrier and pushups, yeah baby!




posted on Oct, 29 2019 @ 08:34 AM
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a reply to: pexx421

The problem you have is that you oversimplify.

Because, you know, a prostitute means that the country you live in doesn't have socialism. The same with crack houses as if those things would not ever exist in countries like Sweden or Norway, or if they do, living in a socialist system will make them virtuous.

The reality of the existence of those things is far more complicated than whether or not a country has government-controlled command economy sectors.

For example, I'll bet you grew up with the entire education complex being government controlled the same as most of the rest of us. Why didn't the prostitute or the people in the crack houses take advantage of the government provided education in order to avoid those fates? Why didn't they take advantage of the government provided meals in the schools, some offering up to three a day even through the summer?

It isn't like the government isn't there providing for those who want to take advantage. It isn't like there isn't a very large safety net one cannot launch oneself off of. Government provides housing, lighting, heat ... and much, much more. Government cannot provide work ethic and ambition and morals. It can't keep people off the streets, nor is it a good substitute for family structure, not even in countries with a strong socialist system where government seeks to control you from cradle to grave.

Those countries have their ghettos, prostitutes, and criminal elements too.



posted on Oct, 29 2019 @ 11:26 AM
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a reply to: ketsuko

See, but here’s my point. Leftists or rightist, the issue is not the program, as you and others on the right seem to act like. The issue is the people who are in power, socialist, capitalist or otherwise. I’m certainly not acting like nations with social safety nets don’t have prostitutes or drugs. But I’m also not going around acting like all capitalist leaning nations are doomed to failure and squalor. Which IS the stance of you and a large percentage of other far right ideologues. As if nations like Norway didn’t exist.

I’ll also add this. There are numerous nations with far more successful systems for social programs, healthcare, education than ours. And you don’t see them trying to buy their way into our systems and subvert them. However, our system is CONSTANTLY trying to do that to all others in the world. We do it in Venezuela and much of South America, assassinating eco protestors, union leaders, presidents etc, and going to war or fomenting coups to keep them from using their resources for their own people rather than our profit. We tried to force our way into buying majority shares in Chinese banks so we can make them stop giving low interest loans to their businesses or subsidizing them. We used gunboats to force their markets open to our heroin. We do it in the U.K. trying to force our way into taking over their nih so we can privatize it and extort their people like we do our own.

They don’t try to do the same to us. Why can’t we just leave them the hell alone to run their own experiments? We all know why. Because the truth is their system is better for the people, and we can’t allow examples of this truth to succeed or our own people might start to take note.



posted on Oct, 29 2019 @ 12:13 PM
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a reply to: pexx421

As soon as the USA stops playing the world police and pulls back from every conflict we are told threatens our way of life it will be interesting to see how all these tiny countries that have benefited from our massive international presence react when they have to start protecting themselves.

Also----it will be very interesting to see how the EU operates if Britain does actually leave. The EU has already been flagging after the migrant crisis and there are already countries screaming they were taken advantage of by the EU Western Europe bloc and they elites.

Which system is better from the people than ours? Give me some kind of example. Cause I for one like the fact that I can't be jailed for offending someone like I can in Europe. Cause that's not the kind of overreach into peoples lives you were kinda complaining about us doing or anything



posted on Oct, 29 2019 @ 12:52 PM
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a reply to: atlantiswatusi

As to the us playing “police” to the world. That only applies if you mean how our police actually act. Hyper militarized, shooting unarmed people without liability, raping, planting drugs. Civil asset forfeiture. Then, yes, we “police” the world in that way, I agree.

As to nations benefitting from us presence, I can only assume you mean European nations with western banksters and such that benefit from us robbing and looting South America, the Mideast, Asia, indochina etc.

And yes, I expect the eu to fall soon, and good riddance. It was started as an oligarchic trade bloc, the European oil and steel commission , or something along those lines, expressly to limit competition to large European corporations.
I also expect the UN to fall soon as Turkey leaves (eminent) as they’ll be losing their third most powerful military, and others will vacate shortly after.

As to how the world will get by? I expect the new, multipolar world, with domination shared among us, China and Russia, will actually be better for all. No one will be able to use unilateral gunboat diplomacy to get their way anymore, so we will actually have to make genuine, mutually beneficial offers to other nations and compete for their trade and resources. Real competition, which capitalism claims is the best system.

As to which is better than ours? What a silly question. You can’t see it clearly because you’re too close. You wear red, white, and blue glasses. I expect the Germans feel like theirs is best. I expect the Nordic nations feel their way is best. I expect the middle eastern nations think their way best. I expect many russians feel their way is best. It’s a function of human nature to generally assume your locale the best of all locales, and to ignore any statistics stating otherwise, which Americans are more notorious for than any others, with our superiority complex and our exceptional nation myth. But rest assured, it IS a myth. Do other nations have higher average standard of living? Some. Do other nations have better education, healthcare, social mobility? Some do. We have what? The biggest military budget? The highest gdp (owned largely by the smallest aristocracy)? Sorry. Your view is largely a product of your upbringing, culture, values, or a lack thereof. Just like saudis think Wahhabism is the true religion, or Scottish folk think haggis tastes good. Learning to look past our own assumptions is an integral part of maturity.



posted on Oct, 30 2019 @ 11:47 PM
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originally posted by: Bluntone22
a reply to: xuenchen

It's kind of fitting that bernie stands in front of empty shelves....
All he needs is a bread line.
I love it when people say what I’m thinking 😂



posted on Oct, 31 2019 @ 08:23 AM
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originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus

originally posted by: Bluntone22
a reply to: xuenchen

It's kind of fitting that bernie stands in front of empty shelves....
All he needs is a bread line.
I love it when people say what I’m thinking 😂

Bias confirmation is a heady drug.




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