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So How Goes The Impeachment Inquiry?

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posted on Oct, 27 2019 @ 11:29 PM
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Outside, looking in the impeachment bullcrap seems to be working as planned. It helps in continuously dividing the population, continues to keep bills from being made that help the people and fix broken outdated laws in our country. I will give trump, credit in getting the focus on the sheer scale of corruption in DC.

In closing. This guy was right to warn us about this.

Washington warns the people that political factions may seek to obstruct the execution of the laws created by the government, or to prevent the branches of government from enacting the powers provided them by the constitution. Author: George Washington with Alexander Hamilton (1796) and James Madison ... Text: Washington's Farewell Address at Wikisource Original title: The Address of Gen. Washington to the People of America on His Decli... Publication date: September 1796

Personally I don’t see dc getting any better. Will just be a matter of time before politicians will be physically fighting each other in debates in the senate or house. It’s a crap show.




posted on Oct, 28 2019 @ 12:08 AM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

Hillary Clinton was never in danger of impeachment. She also was not elected to Secretary of State. There could not, by definition, be an attempt to thwart the will of the electorate in that position because the electorate did not put her there. She has held one elected office: Congresswoman for the state of New York, and I remember no attempt to oust her.

All of the investigations concerning her have centered around normal crimes, not "high crimes and misdemeanors." She is on video tape ordering workers to destroy subpoenaed evidence. She has been proven to collude with the Russians by not only paying for the Steele Dossier through her campaign, but that same dossier was then apparently used to start a FISA surveillance improperly by the FBI on an American citizen who just so happened to be working with her opponent's campaign in the 2016 elections. That right there is enough to send any other normal citizen up the river for a long, long time... yet she walks scot-free.

Donald Trump has not had the first evidenced indication of a crime of any seriousness... by that I mean a crime that would result in a fine only for anyone else. Yet he has had every aspect of his life, his family, his finances from eons ago, his associates, his distant acquaintances, all investigated forward and backward, constantly over the entire term of his Presidency, ad infinitum. It would be one thing if this was an investigation that started up over a whistleblower report, but it's not. It is a continuation of the Mueller Investigation, which was a continuation of Comey's investigation, which was all based on a fake dossier paid for by his opponent for President at the time. It has all been an investigation into an individual, not a crime... in simple terms, let's find out if this guy has ever done anything we can use against him.

The Donald Trump I see tweets a little too much for my liking, is an egotistical windbag, a good speaker but with a poor vocabulary, and is (was) naive toward government operations. Now, that may sound like I am adoring him, but I'm not. Those are bad things. But he also supports several policies I support (and have supported for many years before he ever thought about public service) like effective border control, strict adherence to the Second Amendment, a strong military, a vibrant space program, lower taxes, a more robust economy with more jobs available, ignoring the idiotic Global Warming nonsense, and fairer trade agreements with foreign countries. Not only does he support them, but he has actually done what he said he would do during his campaign. I cannot remember any politician who did that in over a half-century, and that includes Ronald Reagan.

You apparently see lies every time he speaks, crimes everywhere he looks, and somehow an evil bent toward destruction of the planet. Who has been conditioned again?


I don't see the exercise of a Constitutional power as an action against the Electorate. We disagree.

With all due respect, you are then living in a fantasy world.

Donald Trump was elected President of the United states in 2016 by the people. That is fact.

The purpose of impeachment is to remove the President of the United States. That is fact.

In what stream of logic is impeachment not removing a duly-elected by the people official? How can that even be possible? I can understand where it might sometimes be necessary, but it is always... always!... an attempt to overturn the votes of the people. That is the definition of the action.

Incidentally, in three years Senator Richard Shelby has some 'splaining to do over the statement that the Congress might not seat Judge Roy Moore had he been elected. Same principle: those elected do not tell the voters who elected them who to vote for. I don't care if he's a Republican; it may be time to put someone with less arrogance in that slot.


The House is respecting the will of the voters Redneck. The people who voted in 2018 spoke loud and clear.

Then why did they leave the Senate in the hands of the Republican party?


You know I find the Democratic leadership to be stupid, and I thought the Ukraine deal was stupid but in my opinion at least, the Mueller Report was very clear about two things: the Trump campaign worked with the Russians (though there was no "collusion") and the Russians DID interfere in our electoral process... but more importantly, the President of the United States has acted on multiple occasions to obstruct justice. I didnt' give a damn about Clinton's peccadillos, but what I did support was impeachment for obstructing justice ... and I do the same for Trump.

How is it possible to obstruct justice if one is not guilty of a crime? Is that not then obstructing injustice?

Is it obstruction of justice to proclaim one's innocence and attempt to prove it? That means everyone accused of a crime who defends themselves is still guilty... quite convenient for law enforcement.

Sure, the Russians may have tried to interfere... so did the Chinese, the North Koreans, probably France, England, Switzerland, Nepal might even have made an attempt! Countries do that, and we do it to other countries all the time. What would concern me, what does concern me, is incorrect information being fed to the American people to sway their votes based on nonsense. The Russians did do that, as it turns out... but they did it to harm Trump, not to help him. I refer again to the Steele Dossier. That is all proven, public knowledge, with no argument.

I have no problem with anyone from anywhere exposing real corruption to prevent corrupt people from being elected. Truth is truth, no matter who says it.

I didn't support Bill Clinton's impeachment period. I thought the premise was silly and overblown. So what if he had some fun in the Oval Office? If I was married to Hillary I would probably look for outside activity myself! I wish he had been man enough to admit it when caught, take the hit, and go on with his business, but he decided to lie under oath. I would have supported a censure, but not impeachment (which turned out to really be nothing but a censure anyway, at the extra expense in time and drama that goes along with it).

But even Bill Clinton had the charges against him public and a House vote to commence investigation into impeachment. We all knew what crime he was being impeached for: perjury and associated obstruction of justice to an admitted incident. What crime is Trump being accused of? Obstruction of Justice to what exactly? What justice has he improperly obstructed? Where's his House-wide vote?


There are deplorables on all sides.

Yes there are. Most of the ones I see lately are trying to impeach our President. More are probably laying low.

Take care yourself.

TheRedneck



posted on Oct, 28 2019 @ 12:20 AM
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The "impeachment inquiry" is hot garbage.

Leaving drunk Nancy and Schiff at the helm of the democratic party is doing nothing but helping Trump.

They have blamed Russia, and now they are blaming Ukraine, Russias #1 enemy.

There is however an investigation going on into who started the illegal never ending investigation of our elected president.......

Are we not literally 1 year away from an election?

I wonder what everyone is so scared of?



posted on Oct, 28 2019 @ 12:31 AM
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The Republican Senate will have to acquit a President that has obstructed justice openly

Trump has obstructed justice based on what? the Ukrainian Phone Call? sorry but i don't see that happening.




I doubt the demographics that gave the House to the Democrats are doing anything but heading in their direction.

Ah yes those same demographics should also know Democrats arent doing anything to fix America, they just want Trump out in a Coup. Russias 1 enemy to America's liberals of course when they arent in power or political office.


Tell me Gryphon66 what did the Liberals do for 8 years under the Obama admin? all they did and tried to do was by passing gun laws and pushing taxes. Destroying middle men's jobs.

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posted on Oct, 28 2019 @ 12:46 AM
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originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: Gryphon66

She has held one elected office: Congresswoman for the state of New York, and I remember no attempt to oust her.


Clinton was a US Senator.


Donald Trump was elected President of the United states in 2016 by the people. That is fact.


No, Trump was elected by the electoral college. Clinton was elected by the people.


The purpose of impeachment is to remove the President of the United States. That is fact.


No, the purpose is to bring formal charges of misconduct against certain government officials.


Then why did they leave the Senate in the hands of the Republican party?


Because there are more Red states than Blue states. Blue states have most of the population though. More people voted for Democrats in the US Senate elections than they did Republicans. America doesn't distribute representation based on overall vote margins though. We allocate seats by districts or, in the case of the Senate, by states.


But even Bill Clinton had the charges against him public and a House vote to commence investigation into impeachment. We all knew what crime he was being impeached for: perjury and associated obstruction of justice to an admitted incident. What crime is Trump being accused of? Obstruction of Justice to what exactly? What justice has he improperly obstructed? Where's his House-wide vote?


Clinton had the public hearings after the closed-door hearings. The closed-door hearings stemmed from an investigation into land and property deals eventually leading to the disclosure of sexual misconduct which were, ultimately, the basis for articles of impeachment.

The six committee investigations are doing just that, investigating. There's no crime to be accused of because the articles of impeachment haven't been written because the investigations are on-going.



posted on Oct, 28 2019 @ 01:50 AM
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Clinton was a US Senator.

Did I not just say that? You quoted me saying that.


No, Trump was elected by the electoral college. Clinton was elected by the people.

If you do not like the way the election results are tabulated, change the damn Constitution. That argument is old, tired, and flat out misleading. Donald Trump won the office of the President of the United states of America that same exact way every President except Gerald Ford has done... through an election tabulated to a well-known, specified, exact method specified in the same Constitution that established the office.

Hillary Clinton is not the President of the United States. She lost. Deal with it or find somewhere else to scream at the sky. I tire of hearing it.


Because there are more Red states than Blue states.

Which should tell you something.


There's no crime to be accused of because the articles of impeachment haven't been written because the investigations are on-going.

I remember Whitewater (I think that is what you are referring to). That was another thing I found distasteful about the entire process: if one is investigating property crimes, exactly how does that morph into sexual impropriety? It was wrong when it happened to Clinton; it is wrong now when it is happening to Trump. If someone in the House suspects Trump has committed a crime, investigate the crime to determine if he committed it. Don't investigate the man. That's not how the law works in the United States of America. That is, from what I understand, how the law works in Russia. If you want to live under such a system, I suggest you move there.

I'm going to assume you would have agreed with me back when it was happening to Clinton.

TheRedneck



posted on Oct, 28 2019 @ 02:41 AM
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a reply to: TheRedneck

Briefly:

We were discussing abuse of Congressional power by the Republican House. I didn't claim that anyone was trying to impeach Clinton, but the current situation with a Committee Chair issuing subpoenas would not be possible if the Republicans hadn't changed the House rules in 2015. Bit of red herring Redneck.

Congresswoman/Congressman usually refers to a Representative; Clinton was a Senator.

If the matter with Clinton was about criminal activity, she should have been indicted. If not during the Obama Administration then under Trump. She wasn't and hasn't been. Why not?

Donald Trump has committed multiple crimes in plain sight from violations of the Campaign Finance laws, to the Emoulments Clause to obstruction of justice not to mention varous cover-ups along the way.

I do not see lies every time he speaks; I see lies when he lies which is a lot and well-documented.

Fantasy world? LOL. Particularly in use of the words "will of the electorate" which literally means "will of the People eligible to vote" aka the popular vote, so you are mistaken in 2016 and in 2018. The electorate is not the Electoral College despite the similarity in spelling. Impeachment is again a Constitutional process placed in the virtue in a simple majority of the House which is the chamber dedicated most closely by the Founders to direct REPRESENTATION of the People. I could quote multiple sources to you that prove the voters, aka The People, in 2018 saw the elections as a referendum on Trump -- he said this himself if I remember -- and that a willingness to impeach Trump influenced 2018 voters as indicated in exit polls by considerable margins particularly among Democratic voters which, consequently, gave the power to Impeach to the Democratic Majority.

Moving on.

You know that the Senate terms of office are staggered by one-third every election year and even so, the Republicans majority is a very narrow three votes; ask again in 2020.

Obstructing justice IS the crime! Using his office to intimidate and influence investigators unduly, lying in private in public regarding the matters of investigation and removing the DIRECTOR OF THE FBI after he refused to do Trumps will and "let it go" ... and Trump did that in plain view.

Clinton obstructed justice. In my opinion, so has Trump. Blatantly. That does deserve impeachment if anything does as the primary duty of the President is to protect the Constitution and enforce the laws. Hard to do when you're trying to trample both eh?

Best.
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posted on Oct, 28 2019 @ 04:42 AM
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a reply to: Ahabstar

Lol...


No one trump has accused of anything has gone down... lol



posted on Oct, 28 2019 @ 04:46 AM
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a reply to: TheRedneck

Whitewater went nowhere...


Wasn’t ken star investigating white water when he discovered the Monica affair... found out there was nothing to whitewater, but turned the affair with an intern into impeachment.




Funny how quaint sex with an intern is compared to sex with a disgusting pornstar..



posted on Oct, 28 2019 @ 06:59 AM
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The Reeeeee is thick in this thread.

You guys can rant and rave all you want, but everyone knows this impeach inquiry is nothing but political theater.
You know it, and we know it.
It's not going anywhere, there's no there there.



posted on Oct, 28 2019 @ 07:40 AM
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Everything is on schedule:

"The three House committees leading the Democratic investigation have scheduled several current and former National Security Council officials to testify this week behind closed doors — an attempt to get a better look inside the White House as Trump pushed Ukraine to conduct politically motivated investigations."



posted on Oct, 28 2019 @ 07:42 AM
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originally posted by: watchitburn
The Reeeeee is thick in this thread.

You guys can rant and rave all you want, but everyone knows this impeach inquiry is nothing but political theater.
You know it, and we know it.
It's not going anywhere, there's no there there.


At some point the rule-of-law is not political theater. Either you support the rule of law or you support dictatorship.

I would expect Republicans to indict any Democrat who broke the law. Please explain to me why Trump gets a free pass?


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posted on Oct, 28 2019 @ 07:43 AM
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originally posted by: JustJohnny
a reply to: Ahabstar
Lol...
No one trump has accused of anything has gone down... lol


This is because Republicans are too incompetent to understand how Big Government works in order to get the job done.



posted on Oct, 28 2019 @ 08:02 AM
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a reply to: dfnj2015

What law did he break?



posted on Oct, 28 2019 @ 08:06 AM
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a reply to: Gryphon66
Take a break dude, you've been wrong so many times its embarrassing.

I can't wait to vote for Trump again.



posted on Oct, 28 2019 @ 08:14 AM
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originally posted by: Ahabstar
On September 24, Nancy Pelosi opened the Inquiry to six committees. The six committees charged with the task are the committees on Financial Services, the Judiciary, Intelligence, Foreign Affairs, Oversight and Reform, and Ways and Means. Let’s see the damage so far.

Financial Services: Chaired by Maxine Waters, has engaged in seditious commentary and urged violence and was in violation of House Ethics until it was overturned three years later. Expect to see more on Waters soon.

The Judiciary: Chaired by Jerry Nadler. There is personal animosity between Nadler and Trump going back to the 80’s. Ethically he should recuse himself but he accepts dirty campaign funds and backed the Iran deal so why be ethical now?

Intelligence: Chaired by Adam Schiff. Well there is that tabled motion to censure, but the disconcerting one is the amount of classified information he leaks or confirms.

Foreign Affairs: Chaired by Eliot Engel, slammed Omar’s prejudiced commentary but doesn’t want her removed from his committee and actually somewhat defends her. His Foreign Policy is that of a Warhawk. Vice Chair is Jauquin Castro (who’s twin brother is 2020 presidential candidate Julián Castro) might have an ethical dilemma of a conflict of interest since the main article of impeachment is trying to interfere with the 2020 election and all. But we know how ethics are in DC...

Oversight and Reform: Chaired by Elijah Cummings, was under federal investigation and had an untimely death. Vice Chair was Katie Hill who just resigned from the House rather than face ethics violations.

Ways and Means: Chaired by Richard Neal, should be brought up on ethics violations because he worked to strike down a free IRS tax filing system while taking donations from Intuit and H&R Block both of whom make and sell tax filing software. But interesting enough, he may turn out to be Trump’s only friend as he is the least progressive agent of chaos chairing the six committees. And this is the man that can demand Trump’s tax returns and he refuses to do so until he builds a good case on having them.


It appears to be going quite badly.
Wasn't it supposed to be voted on before Thanksgiving?
That does not seem likey imo.
Who actually wants the president removed?
And if there is no removal whats with the impeachment to begin with?
Dems just like losing?
IMO there is not way 3/4 of the senate votes to remove when there is no actual crime.

Seems like pelosi has an acme dynomite kit and trump is going to let her light it.



posted on Oct, 28 2019 @ 09:05 AM
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In other news Trump withheld US Military Aid to extort a foreign country for help with his presidential campaign.



posted on Oct, 28 2019 @ 09:06 AM
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originally posted by: watchitburn
a reply to: dfnj2015
What law did he break?


The Federal Election Campaign Act of 1971 (FECA, Pub.L. 92–225, 86 Stat. 3, enacted February 7, 1972, 52 U.S.C. § 30101 et seq.) is the primary United States federal law regulating political campaign spending and fundraising. The law originally focused on increased disclosure of contributions for federal campaigns.

"Today, Common Cause filed a complaint with the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) and the Federal Election Commission (FEC) alleging that President Donald Trump, his personal attorney Rudy Giuliani, and other political operatives illegally solicited a political contribution from a foreign national—by urging Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky and other Ukrainian officials to investigate Hunter Biden and 2020 presidential candidate Joe Biden. The allegations were first published in The Wall Street Journal, and subsequently President Trump admitted that during a July 25th phone call he pressured President Zelensky to pursue the investigation of his political rival and his son.

Federal law prohibits a foreign national from directly or indirectly making a “contribution or donation of money or other thing of value” in connection with a U.S. election. Federal law also prohibits a person from soliciting or providing substantial assistance in the solicitation of such a contribution from a foreign national. Federal law defines “contribution” to include “any gift … of money or anything of value made by any person for the purpose of influencing any election for Federal office.” And the FEC by regulation defines “solicit” to mean “to ask, request, or recommend, explicitly or implicitly, that another person make a contribution, donation, transfer of funds, or otherwise provide anything of value.”"


DOJ & FEC Complaints Filed Against President Trump, Rudy Giuliani and Others for Illegal Solicitation of Contribution from Ukrainian President

Key Takeaways From Ambassador William Taylor's Explosive Testimony on Ukraine and Trump

"And holding up security assistance for domestic political gain was 'crazy' as I had said in my text message"

You can cover your ears and close you eyes and sing LA, LA, LA, LA and ignore what is happening. But the evidence is pretty clear Trump broke election laws with quid pro quo conversation. As soon as the evidence is collected and distributed the House will come to a vote on whether to impeach Trump. The problem is Trump admitted on national television not once but twice he broke the law as if it has no consequence.

So the question for you as a loyal Trump cultist are you going to put your country first by supporting the rule of law. Or are you going to put your party first and allow Trump to create a dictatorship that is above any laws? You don't have to answer. I'll just assume you prefer to scrap the Constitution and have dictatorship.



posted on Oct, 28 2019 @ 09:09 AM
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originally posted by: PurpleFox
a reply to: Gryphon66
Take a break dude, you've been wrong so many times its embarrassing.

I can't wait to vote for Trump again.



Well, if he get's impeached then the only way you can vote for him is by spending money at one of his casinos.



posted on Oct, 28 2019 @ 09:17 AM
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LOL Adam Schiff meltdown on live TV right now 😃



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