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Dems are Cray Cray and Running a NAZI Stalinist Style Impeachment with no legal backing

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posted on Oct, 24 2019 @ 06:38 AM
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a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Impeachment is a political process and an argument has been made on ATS by some conservatives that Congress isnt empowered to investigate crimes. If they cant investigate and the justice dept cant... then, who can?
Also, since impeachment is a political process, public opinion has more influence than actual laws do. So, if a large number of the public had no problem with a president and his secret SSS goons murdering a small section of the population, there would be no way to the president to account it keep him and his administration from hampering any investigations that might serve to prevent future murders.

It also steps on states right, which I thought was a big thing for conservatives. I dont believe state governments are obliged to adhere to the policy rules of the federal justice dept, just like the president cant pardon someone convicted in state courts for breaking state laws.
I might be wrong, but then you would have to show me a case where it's happened.




posted on Oct, 24 2019 @ 06:51 AM
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a reply to: JustJohnny

You mean Quid Pro Quo in the firing of Shokin to save Hunter? It just came out that IMF funds had nothing to do with Shokin according to Schiff's witnesses. Also, it's not Quid Pro Quo to investigate Biden because Ukraine didn't know about the funds and that US and Ukraine have a corruption sharing Treaty, it has to be investigated because evidence was admitted by Biden in public.

NOw if there was no evidence, and then Trump asked for a fishing expedition like Democrats do to Trump, then that is another story.

edit on 24-10-2019 by ambassado12 because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 24 2019 @ 06:53 AM
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a reply to: dawnstar

Impeachment is fine, but you need to vote on the rules, and due process, you can't run a NAZI style court. Where it ran with a Uni party.



posted on Oct, 24 2019 @ 06:54 AM
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I think they are in panic mode because Durham and Barr are looking into Ukraine. Remember Crowdstrike is what scares them because that is the company that help concoct the fake Russian hacking narrative with no proof. If Dems are discovered they would be destroyed.
a reply to: ambassado12

I think they do not care what durham and barr are doing because they are only trying to distract from the real issue and that is the president, the leader of the free world extorting another country to win an election.
The more desperate trump becomes the more desperate the attempts to distract from it.
The entire intelligence community from several countries have confirmed that russia hacked the server, that russia interfered with the election and it had nothing to do with Clinton or the Ukraine. The server is still probably in use by the DNC after cleaning out the bugs. Lets be real here.
That entire story has been concocted by trump and company and is essentially ridiculous. Doesnt he know that the world is laughing to his face? Doesnt he have any shame?



posted on Oct, 24 2019 @ 07:01 AM
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a reply to: carewemust

What exactly has backfired on the party? The courts that keep finding against trump? His courts?



posted on Oct, 24 2019 @ 07:04 AM
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a reply to: ambassado12

It is another story.

Question. How exactly was Hunter saved? The scope of investigation into Burisma was for 2010 to 2012, before Hunter began working for that company in may 2014. How are you guilty of doing something that happened before you even started working for the company?

Do you even know what Hunter Biden's role was at Burisma?

And what exactly was Hunter saved from? What was he guilty of doing?
edit on 24-10-2019 by grey580 because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 24 2019 @ 07:24 AM
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a reply to: ambassado12

This is utter hypocrisy on the part of the Republicans and nothing more than a publicity stunt. The rules in place are the same ones that the republicans used when doing the Benghazi investigation. When Darrell Issa tried to crash a closed door hearing Trey Gowdy blocked him. And he was right to do so.



posted on Oct, 24 2019 @ 07:46 AM
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a reply to: ambassado12

If I were to be accused of a crime... when would I get my due process? Would my lawyers be allowed into grand jury hearings to question the witnesses? Would anybody and everybody who wanted to be in the court proceedings be allowed? Has congress been given to transcripts from the grand jury from the Mueller investigation yet even?
Members of the committee doing these hearings are allowed into the proceedings and there are both Republican and Democrat! By the reports I have heard, they are either spending their time griping about the "process" and asking the witnesses about Biden's son or Hillary's server, they arent even hanging around to hear what is being said. I've seen this same thing happen in too many open sessions lately to have any doubt that these reports are true. And, while those republicans were storming the doors of that hearing, there was another hearing going on, one I could listen to about the Syrian mess. Some of the first words spoken by one if the few republicans in that he was sorry so many of his colleagues weren't present but they had a more important issue to contend with (yes I am paraphrasing here)..
A more important thing.... like standing in front of cameras ranting and raving and compromising the security of the sciff or whatever its called by bringing electronics into it...
Theres another thread currently running on ATS claiming that money laundering was done by the dems in ukraine. I piped in and said that to me, this kind of indicates that trump was probably laundering ukraine money since the dems are always being accused of what the republicans are doing...
This is a great example of that!! While yous are accusing the left of nazi/stalinist tactics, yous seem to be supporting give the president. ( any future president) nazi/stalinist like power!!
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posted on Oct, 24 2019 @ 09:09 AM
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a reply to: Stupidsecrets

If Clinton was to put her walking stick back in the ring do you think the DNC will fall into line again and Hillary would buy I mean win the nomination?



posted on Oct, 24 2019 @ 09:21 AM
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Come on man. Any point you had is lost in your hyperbolic nonsense.

This impeachment is best characterized as a kangaroo court.

Please educate yourself on Nazis and Stalinists.

edit on 10 24 2019 by projectvxn because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 24 2019 @ 09:31 AM
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a reply to: wills120

huzzah



Hope you are correct



posted on Oct, 24 2019 @ 10:00 AM
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a reply to: ambassado12

Way to promote disinfo. The impeachment inquiry is completely legal. Posts like yours should be banned.



posted on Oct, 24 2019 @ 10:00 AM
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originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Impeachment is a political process and an argument has been made on ATS by some conservatives that Congress isnt empowered to investigate crimes.

The Constitution and the Supreme Court has made that clear, not 'conservatives on ATS'. Congress can not investigate a crime, period, end of story.

If there is a video of Trump shooting someone in the streets no investigation is required, impeachment is not a criminal trial.



posted on Oct, 24 2019 @ 10:01 AM
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originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: carewemust

What exactly has backfired on the party? The courts that keep finding against trump? His courts?

How many times has Trump lost at the SC when lower courts kept ruling against him? How many times has Trump won at the SC?



posted on Oct, 24 2019 @ 10:04 AM
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a reply to: grey580

Because when a company is found to have done something wrong and is looked into it is often the case they have kept doing things wrong. So you start with a crime in 2012 and then you find they did things in 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016 ....

Now let's use this scenario, Burisma hires Hunter because big daddy Joe promises to shield Burisma. So Hunter did nothing wrong, but Burisma did, and Joe made it all go away in exchange for them keeping Hunter on the payroll. If that is what happened you are ok with that?



posted on Oct, 24 2019 @ 10:06 AM
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originally posted by: grey580
a reply to: ambassado12

This is utter hypocrisy on the part of the Republicans and nothing more than a publicity stunt. The rules in place are the same ones that the republicans used when doing the Benghazi investigation. When Darrell Issa tried to crash a closed door hearing Trey Gowdy blocked him. And he was right to do so.

Can you source that no Democrats were allowed to participate at all in the Benghazi investigation in any way shape or form and all information gleamed from the investigation was forbidden to every single Democrat so they could not know anything at all?



posted on Oct, 24 2019 @ 10:15 AM
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a reply to: OccamsRazor04

From what I've read. The Ukranian prosecutor that was ousted by Joe Biden was reluctant to investigate Burisma.

Why would Joe Biden oust a guy that unwilling to investigate the company? Wouldn't it have been better to leave him in there to help shield his son? Ousting the prosecutor and getting a new one that was willing to investigate Burisma was no help to his son.



posted on Oct, 24 2019 @ 10:21 AM
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a reply to: OccamsRazor04

BTW Issa is republican party. Everyone was denied who wasn't supposed to be in there.

thehill.com...


Former House Oversight Committee Chairman Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) tried to crash former Hillary Clinton adviser Sidney Blumenthal’s deposition before the House Select Committee on Benghazi on Tuesday.

Issa marched into the closed-door deposition and remained inside for about a minute before he was escorted out by the panel’s chairman, Rep. Trey Gowdy (R-S.C.).



posted on Oct, 24 2019 @ 10:27 AM
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a reply to: grey580

I don't get the connection. Republicans are crashing because they have zero representation. Was Benghazi a one party investigation? If not, why should this be?
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posted on Oct, 24 2019 @ 10:30 AM
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originally posted by: grey580
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

From what I've read. The Ukranian prosecutor that was ousted by Joe Biden was reluctant to investigate Burisma.

Why would Joe Biden oust a guy that unwilling to investigate the company? Wouldn't it have been better to leave him in there to help shield his son? Ousting the prosecutor and getting a new one that was willing to investigate Burisma was no help to his son.

You mean from the fake news about the story. It has factually been proven he did everything he was supposed to do with the British extradition and it was the Brits who worked against him to make sure it did not go through.

There are documents of Burisma apologizing to the Ukraine government for the false portrayal of the prosecutor that they orchestrated.

The prosecutor who took over publicly stated the US ambassador came to him with a list of names of people he was not allowed to investigate.

And we also know as soon as that prosecutor was gone, and the new one got his marching orders from the US, that they quickly settled with Burisma.



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