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'Christian Hypocrite' Conspiracy

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posted on Apr, 17 2005 @ 05:10 PM
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is about Love. Pure and simple. God=love, in almost all religions. Therefore, loving another = sharing God with them. It isn't a hard theory to understand. Its written throughout the entire Bible. LOVE..

I was a Christian schooled at a Catholic school. I was made to sit at the BACK of the church, NOT allowed to do communion, NOT allowed to be involved with the mass in ANY way, I was left feeling like a leper amongst my peers. What.....are some of these posts trying to tell me that is GOD-LIKE? No, that isnt the God I know!

Prejudice is rife amongst some religions. "Love thy neighbour".....BALK.....then they go home and judge/gossip/hurt their fellow neighbours by calling them evil or saying that because a woman has a child outside marriage she is damned to hell????

Nope. God is LOVE. Not power hungry hypocrisy.




posted on Apr, 17 2005 @ 08:04 PM
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In fact, according to the Bible, a Christian should never judge.


Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? 1 Cor 6:2

It really doesn't make much sense for you who proclaim loudly and often that you can't stand Christians to then quote from OUR Bible. If you are going to quote the Bible, at LEAST have the courtesy to say you don't know if it is a quote or your own sacredly held opinion. Or QUOTE it correctly, an even better choice..

As for those of you who would "spit" on a Christian, who talk endlessly of how a Christian should, IN YOUR EXALTED OPINIONS, behave....who accuse Christians of "illogic" in their defense of the gospel, look to yourselves!

You don't answer logic, you ignore it if it doesn't fit your highly overrated "worldview". You exalt man, yourself most of all, and despise the One Who was first called Christ, by despising His followers,for Jesus said Himself that what is done to one of the least of His followers is done to Him.

Who, in the main, are those who leave home and family to go to remote areas to bring aid and comfort to those who are without resource and hope in this life or the next? Is it the non-Christian or the missionary? Is it you?

Who are the Chinese government killing in record numbers? The Buddhists? The Muslims? No, it is the Christians, good citizens who want no more than to worship their God and read the Bible.

There are Christians who want to "fit in" who don't want to be accused of "judging" or "proselytising". There are "hypocritical" Christians who say one thing and do another. Surprise, Surprise, there are even more non-Christians who lie, fornicate, commit adultery, and steal.

If you hate to see what Christians have to say, why then come on threads where you are likely to run into just that? Because you are a hater of God? Angry and hurt because someone called a Christian said or did something you didn't like? Most of you who call yourselves angry at Christians or disgusted by their behavior or whatever you call yourselves would do well to stop focusing on us if we disturb your mental state so badly. You don't want to hear about the Bible? Don't want to see it quoted? Well, guess what? There are about a million forums and threads where you would be bothered not at all with that. It might be wise to ask yourselves, then, why you continue to come on these kinds of threads and allow yourself to be "aggravated".

Someone on this thread said they were not going to post here anymore because Christian defense posts were illogical. I didn't see any posts from that one refuting the logics of say "helen"'s posts, "saint4God"'s or even of mine. And I know my posts are long thought on and carefully researched. I'm sure there are many more Christians who post here and on other threads who are AS capable of logical defense, if not more so, than most of the posters here who rant and rave and misquote and slur and smear.

If you want to hate Christians, at least don't be hypocritical about it and wrap it in shiny tinsel of "looove is the answer" and the like. Just get down and dirty like you know you want to, at least some of you high priests and priestesses of nothing.



posted on Apr, 18 2005 @ 06:36 AM
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Originally posted by sanse_nz
Being Christian is about Love. Pure and simple. God=love, in almost all religions. Therefore, loving another = sharing God with them. It isn't a hard theory to understand. Its written throughout the entire Bible. LOVE..

Nope. God is LOVE. Not power hungry hypocrisy.




Bravo! Well said.


[edit on 18-4-2005 by saint4God]



posted on Apr, 18 2005 @ 06:45 AM
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Hi saint4God,

Tried to u2u again but apparently still don't have enough posts. I was wondering if you'd care to enlarge on the applause in your last post? I don't think I'm understanding your position there.



posted on Apr, 18 2005 @ 07:01 AM
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Originally posted by sanse_nz
is about Love. Pure and simple. God=love, in almost all religions. Therefore, loving another = sharing God with them. It isn't a hard theory to understand. Its written throughout the entire Bible. LOVE..

Nope. God is LOVE. Not power hungry hypocrisy.


true, a deity is created to spread love and understanding. or whatever depending on the kind of deity you want. you can create quite a lot, just follow the DnD dungeonmaster guide


to bad most don't follow the teachings. in short people abuse it to create power and be hypocritical by being selective in which teaching to follow and when. not coherant at all. and the excuses they got is even more tiresome.



posted on Apr, 18 2005 @ 07:34 AM
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Originally posted by LadyV

Originally posted by wang
but asoon as i see a christian state their beleifs....i dont even read it anymore.


And that's so very sad! Christians....I should say "some", there is a certain type of Christian....that is really damning their own religion and pushing people away.....and it is sad, because some of the basic tenets of the religion are good things to live by. I believe strongly in many thing of the things in the Christian bible and believe in a God and....but not the way Christians do. I personally think there is much that is misconstrued that Christians follow.....but the main thing is, that those types of Christians that are so holier than thou.....hurt their own faith. When I fist came to this board....I had a real interest for some reason to learn more than I knew about Christianity....I asked questions...honest questions that I thought for myself needed asked, and posted what I knew and wanted to hear honest debate on it....while I did get a bit of honest thought from a couple of Christians....I basically got the crap stuff mentioned in my fist post in this thread.....from that I have assumed that it is pointless.....but yes, it's very sad that some people are turning others completely away from what holds some truths and certainly some important historical value by being judgmental, condemning, mean spirited, hateful and holier than thou.......all the things that I thought were not represenative of a "loving" christian....and this has nothing to do with sin.....this is an attitude against others, well, I guess that is a type of sin....but it seems those so intolerant are the ones that need to go back a read their own faith's book

[edit on 3/8/2005 by LadyV]


Lady V- The "Christians" you refer to are the ones that have been rotted by the teachings of man. The answers they give for the most part are non-Christian in thought. I being a Christian am repulsed by what these people are doing to our country, spiritually, politically, etc. However, God and Jesus are watching. "They will get their reward".

Someone once told me to stay away from the Unitarians. He stated that "they would take anybody." My answer was simple. Isn't what this is all about? He had no comeback, and walked away.



posted on Apr, 18 2005 @ 07:42 AM
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Originally posted by Truthisoutthere
Please do not ignore the calling and the facts that are in the bible.

Here is part of the problem. Every religion claims that they have
THE calling and THE truth. Example - The Quran has 'calling' and it's
followers claim to have 'facts' and 'truth'. AND if you look at the facts
in the bible - as you asked - man ... Abraham was a sick dude, trying to
sacrifice his son because 'God' said to, and there is serious question as
to the sanity of the author of Revelations (stress induced dementia??).

AND as far as the 'facts' are in the bible - Christians can't agree as to
what many of those facts are - can deacons be married? Can they be
remarried? Apostolic succession? Baptism by immersion or by pouring?
etc. etc. etc.

As far as people having a 'conspiracy' against 'hypocrite christians' ...
perhaps most people just don't like fundamentalists because they
tend to get in your face and tend to be arrogant and anti-everyone
else's religion. Perhaps they aren't liked because they tell tall tales
about the Catholic religion and the Mormon religion and others ...
Tales that could easily be debunked if they would just pick up a copy
of the catechism or google up the facts instead of listening to hate
speech from their 'ministers'.

It could just be a matter of not liking many of them because .. well ..
many just aren't likeable because of their behavior and not because
of any conspiracy.



[edit on 4/18/2005 by FlyersFan]



posted on Apr, 18 2005 @ 07:43 AM
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"To those who've used this excuse for not getting to know God or going to church, then I'd like to turn the magnifying glass back on you and ask, 'why are you so concerned with everyone else? How does YOUR eternity depend on them?"-saint4God

One needs no excuse for not going to "Church" if you speak of the type that has congregations, multimillion $ buildings, etc. One's "Church" is in one's heart. I though surely you would know that my friend saint.

I don't go for too often, particularly the last election, I heard the preacher from the pulpit and the masses in their seats be just about as hypocritical as one can be. The ignored the many sins of one candidate while concentrating on pushing their non-Christian agenda on us by telling us one was more of a believer than the other. However, the one they chose leads me to believe....



posted on Apr, 18 2005 @ 10:01 AM
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Thanks for addressing some of my original post.


Originally posted by madmanacrosswater
One needs no excuse for not going to "Church" if you speak of the type one's heart. I though surely you would know that my friend saint.


Apparently people do need excuses or *oops* they might actually do it. I hear them all the time and wonder why they have to explain themselves. I've never heard anyone said, "I don't go to church because I don't feel it in my heart". Why is that? We have to deceive ourselves to make it believable so that we don't have to feel guilt. Why do we feel guilt? Because our heart is telling us one thing and we WANT to do another.

I'm with God outside church 24/6. On Sundays is 22 hours outside church and 2 hours in church. I don't know why people think if they go to church for 2 hours they receive ultimate programming on agendas and mind control. That's just plain ridiculous. If that's a case, then there MUST be a God because nobody can change people that quickly and in such a short amount of time per week.

Heart - You're right that God needs to be in your heart. Does not your heart tell you it's a good idea to listen to a perspective from someone (other than your own for a change) whose full time job is to read the Word, work with weddings, funerals, and council people going through traumatic situations? Does not a believer's heart say, "be focused with God and the people who need you for caring support" instead of thumping on Playstation 2 or veggin' on the couch? If you need a few quotes to help get energized, then two come to mind:

James 2:17, "In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead".

2 Timothy 1:7 "For God did not give us a spirit of timidity, but a spirit of power, of love and of self-discipline".


Originally posted by madmanacrosswater
I don't go for too often, particularly the last election, I heard the preacher from the pulpit and the masses in their seats be just about as hypocritical as one can be. The ignored the many sins of one candidate while concentrating on pushing their non-Christian agenda on us by telling us one was more of a believer than the other. However, the one they chose leads me to believe.... that has congregations, multimillion $ buildings, etc. One's "Church" is in


Interesting. Did you know churches can lose tax-exempt status by providing political persuasion to their congregation? Funny how everyone claims churches to be sooo political, yet government officials fail to pick it up when they're in the pews.
Now then, if you loved that person behind the pulpit, surely you'd be caring enough to let them know that they were in danger of losing the focus on God. Did you then let him/her know they were off-course if that is how you see it according to the Word?

Money - My church publishes quartley their income and expenses in the bulletin. The pastor refuses to see it, saying he does not want to know the details and let the deacons of the church work that out. He ain't "preachin' for dollars" as so many like to point their fingers at churches for doing. My church has a mortgage. I've seen the numbers. They're not sitting on piles of gold, nor is that building going to be paid off in 5 years. They are in debt just like me. If they wanted money and be out of debt, they could shut down the operation and sell the place. I'll be back with you when this happens but I wouldn't hold my breath.

Candidly madman, sounds like you need to find a church that'll get your heart, mind and soul stirring enough to make you want to go an be part of the exciting God. In some places that's hard. Lord knows it took quite a few that activated me in a way that strengthened my connection with God. If you can want to go to be close to God, then you're in the right place. If you'd like me to help you find one in your area, I'd be glad to do so too. Prayers with you that you find such a place.


Pray, train, study.
God bless.



posted on Apr, 18 2005 @ 10:03 AM
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Originally posted by curiousity
Hi saint4God,

Tried to u2u again but apparently still don't have enough posts. I was wondering if you'd care to enlarge on the applause in your last post? I don't think I'm understanding your position there.


Sure. I think sanse_nz was right on target, speaking of Christians acknowledging God as a source of love, not power hungry hypocrisy.



posted on Apr, 18 2005 @ 10:42 AM
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Why do Christians care so much?
As many others have said..........LOVE...............

If we only cared about the '''I''' me,myself and I then we would not be Christian......

Glory be to God.......
Love your enemies......
helen....



posted on Apr, 18 2005 @ 11:53 AM
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Originally posted by saint4God

Originally posted by curiousity
Hi saint4God,

Tried to u2u again but apparently still don't have enough posts. I was wondering if you'd care to enlarge on the applause in your last post? I don't think I'm understanding your position there.


Sure. I think sanse_nz was right on target, speaking of Christians acknowledging God as a source of love, not power hungry hypocrisy.


Um, ok. Are you one who believes Christianity is rife with "power hungry hypocrisy", as seems to be sanse_nz's (and many others on this forum) position?



posted on Apr, 18 2005 @ 11:59 AM
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Originally posted by curiousity
Um, ok. Are you one who believes Christianity is rife with "power hungry hypocrisy", as seems to be sanse_nz's (and many others on this forum) position?


No, but I agreed with what I quoted in what sanse_nz said about God. I'm sure there is SOME hypocrisy on occasion (per my initial post) and would still like to see the numbers that say most Christians are hypocrites as a lot of people like to claim. Apologies if I was unclear.

[edit on 18-4-2005 by saint4God]



posted on Apr, 18 2005 @ 12:10 PM
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"Candidly madman, sounds like you need to find a church that'll get your heart, mind and soul stirring enough to make you want to go an be part of the exciting God. In some places that's hard. Lord knows it took quite a few that activated me in a way that strengthened my connection with God. If you can want to go to be close to God, then you're in the right place. If you'd like me to help you find one in your area, I'd be glad to do so too. Prayers with you that you find such a place."-SAINT4GOD

First of all I wish someone would teach me how to just put into quotation a certain portion of one's statement instead of doing the whole thingee..


My Church? The highest hill, the waterfall, the deer foraging, the sun shining, the grass growing, the thunderstorm Yes, it is an exciting God. So much more than man could ever "teach". However, I do have a couple of friends of the clergy that know me and love me dearly as I love them.

I think you misconstrued my statements about the multimillion $ churches. I don't mind churches. I do mind the ones that have spent way too much in making their's "the best" etc. There is one here in Nashville that I shudder every time I drive by. HUGE, HUGER, and OPULENT to the extreme. This opulency(is that a word?) sure could have fed many a starving child, helped many a family with illness within, etc.

I would not be within this site if my heart, mind, and soul were not stirring. You know, my friend Saint, I have been branded a heretic, a non believer, been told about standing in front of God, etc. All preaching the practice of "fear". All I preach is the practice of love like God wants everyone to do. The thing is, if my understanding is correct, that I will be bypassed of such judgement for I do consider Jesus Christ as my savior. It is the one's who have rejected such that will stand in judgement not in front of God himself, but in front of the son, Jesus, for he is the one they rejected.

Thank you for the prayers. However, I have found inner peace and now I "preach" it. If people think I preach wrong I do not judge them as they do me for it is not my place to do so.

Namaste'



posted on Apr, 18 2005 @ 12:25 PM
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Originally posted by Jehosephat
I was like many people here where I saw what churches were doing, and really only looked or noticed the bad things about churches. Evengelicals were crazy, catholic were without free thought, unitarians didn't care, and some christian churches were no better then cults.

All it took was one person to start a dialouge with me, and allowed me to come to faith on my own terms, and decide what it ment to ME. While a Pastor also allowed me to decide what being a christian ment by acting as jsut a mere guide, and letting the bible speak for itself.

Only those that fear, and don't understand see hypocraciy. Also those that do not like being told that they are doing bad things. No one wants to take account of themsleves and really see taht they are lost and cannot find thier way.

I spent over 20 years of my life as an atheist, agnostic, spiritualist or deist, in the end I realized my life ment nothing without faith.

I think if people spent more time understanding christians, both the good and bad instead of attacking them and pointing out flaws there would be more tolerance and respect of others beliefs


That is the problem my friend. I do understand Christians. It is the one's that attack I for not following their "brand" of "Christianity that bring about the problem.

Would you consider the one's who are now trying to end a political filibuster for the appointment of judges that fit their "criteria" "Christian"? Do you consider the same that consider one political party without "faith"-"Christian"? We are getting into a dangerous area not only politically, in the law, but most of all in the eyes of the all knowing God. He does NOT like this. That I can guarantee. As Jesus would say, "They have their reward."

See it is the many Christians like myself that are revolting against this type of hypocrisy. We don't think God's name should be invoked for their cause. We are the ones misunderstood. We are the ones with the supposed "flaws", and I do use the word supposed in the proper text. We do not attack. We are attacked. It is Christians like myself that have a hard time holding back when the attack on our faith is done. However, we for the most part "turn the other cheek", and where is this getting us in our physical presence? Thank God almighty for his divine wisdom.



posted on Apr, 18 2005 @ 01:47 PM
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Originally posted by sanse_nz
Being Christian is about Love. Pure and simple. God=love, in almost all religions. Therefore, loving another = sharing God with them. It isn't a hard theory to understand. Its written throughout the entire Bible. LOVE..

Nope. God is LOVE. Not power hungry hypocrisy.


Apparently, it's inappropriate for me to quote like this, so I'll withdraw my comment. I know there's expectations for me to be perfect. Sorry to disappoint those who thought this would be the case.


[edit on 18-4-2005 by saint4God]



posted on Apr, 18 2005 @ 01:54 PM
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Originally posted by madmanacrosswater
"Candidly madman, sounds like you need to find a church that'll get your heart, mind and soul stirring enough to make you want to go an be part of the exciting God. In some places that's hard. Lord knows it took quite a few that activated me in a way that strengthened my connection with God. If you can want to go to be close to God, then you're in the right place. If you'd like me to help you find one in your area, I'd be glad to do so too. Prayers with you that you find such a place."-SAINT4GOD

First of all I wish someone would teach me how to just put into quotation a certain portion of one's statement instead of doing the whole thingee..


My Church? The highest hill, the waterfall, the deer foraging, the sun shining, the grass growing, the thunderstorm Yes, it is an exciting God. So much more than man could ever "teach". However, I do have a couple of friends of the clergy that know me and love me dearly as I love them.

I think you misconstrued my statements about the multimillion $ churches. I don't mind churches. I do mind the ones that have spent way too much in making their's "the best" etc. There is one here in Nashville that I shudder every time I drive by. HUGE, HUGER, and OPULENT to the extreme. This opulency(is that a word?) sure could have fed many a starving child, helped many a family with illness within, etc.

I would not be within this site if my heart, mind, and soul were not stirring. You know, my friend Saint, I have been branded a heretic, a non believer, been told about standing in front of God, etc. All preaching the practice of "fear". All I preach is the practice of love like God wants everyone to do. The thing is, if my understanding is correct, that I will be bypassed of such judgement for I do consider Jesus Christ as my savior. It is the one's who have rejected such that will stand in judgement not in front of God himself, but in front of the son, Jesus, for he is the one they rejected.

Thank you for the prayers. However, I have found inner peace and now I "preach" it. If people think I preach wrong I do not judge them as they do me for it is not my place to do so.

Namaste'


I'll quote your whole post as to not misconstrue your meaning then. I'd made a suggestion by the impression you'd given about churches. Apologies (yet again) if I was unclear, just trying to help. Glad things are working out for ya.

Pray, train, study.
God bless.



posted on Apr, 18 2005 @ 03:02 PM
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We in so many ways are very much alike. Both of us went through hell within before God himself let us in on a little "secret". I am villified many times for what I say. Condemned, told about judgement, etc. However, as you and I both know, when the "secret" is learned there is nothing to fear.

I saw a great TV preacher last nite. I wish I could remember his name. He taught like it should be taught. LOVE!!! Then after watching him for a while I turned the channel to the Trinity Broadcasting Network and there was the ole familiar refrain of "fear" that I hear way too often.

My dear wife, who for years saw me walking around as an old sour puss that had been wronged is now amazed at me walking around with one of those s--- eating grins, and laughing at just the littlest ole thing on the boob tube.

Namaste' my friend. I had a girl in the office ask me what that word meant and I printed out a definition and handed it to her. She is a wonderful girl, however the last few months her thinking has been twisted by those I consider having an agenda. She looked at the definition, hummphed and threw it into the trash. Did not even attempt to understand what it meant, and how it relates to Christianity.



posted on Apr, 18 2005 @ 03:19 PM
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Originally posted by madmanacrosswater
We in so many ways are very much alike. Both of us went through hell within before God himself let us in on a little "secret". I am villified many times for what I say. Condemned, told about judgement, etc.


Yes, this does sound very familiar



Originally posted by madmanacrosswater
However, as you and I both know, when the "secret" is learned there is nothing to fear.


What secret? Or is that what you meant?


Originally posted by madmanacrosswater
I saw a great TV preacher last nite. I wish I could remember his name. He taught like it should be taught. LOVE!!! Then after watching him for a while I turned the channel to the Trinity Broadcasting Network and there was the ole familiar refrain of "fear" that I hear way too often.

My dear wife, who for years saw me walking around as an old sour puss that had been wronged is now amazed at me walking around with one of those s--- eating grins, and laughing at just the littlest ole thing on the boob tube.


I'm not familiar with much TV and very little of it I think is funny....except TLC, Cartoon Network, and Steve Irwin on Discovery. I'm more of a gaming and movie fan. CNN is my primary lock-on for TV. I know I know, these things make me a mental patient.


Originally posted by madmanacrosswater
Namaste' my friend. I had a girl in the office ask me what that word meant and I printed out a definition and handed it to her. She is a wonderful girl, however the last few months her thinking has been twisted by those I consider having an agenda. She looked at the definition, hummphed and threw it into the trash. Did not even attempt to understand what it meant, and how it relates to Christianity.


Share please. I've done some look-up on it, but am moreso interested in the context by which you mean it.



posted on Apr, 18 2005 @ 04:31 PM
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Saint,

I had to go back to your Holy Ghost thread in the paranormal activity page to remember your story.

"Secret"-This goes into your definition of belief and faith. I, like yourself, not have the belief that God and Jesus will always be there. Neither of us have to rely on faith anymore. That is a very big difference, and why I say we were both let in on the "secret" which really isn't IF one learns to recognize God the allknowing creator, and that he and Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are all about.

Nah, I don't watch much TV either unless one considers reruns of "Andy Griffith", and "Leave IT to Beaver". Sports, news, history discovery. I haven't seen a network "show" in many years. "Friends" went off the air before I saw the first episode!!!!

Namaste'-I think it is a Buddhist saying in originality. However, to me it is saying "I honor and love your inner soul". Which, to me anyways, is the same as saying I honor the Holy Spirit that resides in each and everyone of us.

My wife is an RN. She used to work in a nursing home. She customarily when someone passed away from this physical existence would open the window to let his/her spirit out of the room. One night she was instructing three new RNs fresh out of school. They went into a room where an elderly man had passed away. Of course, my wife went and opened the window. One asked why she did that and when she told them she said their eyes got big as saucers and backed up a little!!!!! Welcome to the "real world" ladies.



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