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'Christian Hypocrite' Conspiracy

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posted on Mar, 8 2005 @ 08:52 AM
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I had a aphifony...if thats how you spell it...lol
Not once, never on this forum have i seen one person quote passages from other religoius texts other than the bible. I do not see any islamics or even taoists here fighting agaisnt the aethist. Doesnt this show the intergirty of christians....and how tolerant they are of others beleifs.
If anyone of any other religion came in here stating their beleifs i would read it in a split second but asoon as i see a christian state their beleifs....i dont even read it anymore.




posted on Mar, 8 2005 @ 08:59 AM
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Originally posted by bobafett1972

Originally posted by mwm1331
Sure as soon s you show me where I condemmed someone.


Maybe you should re-read your signature then, because you condemn the entire Islamic faith. Oh, and pretty much everyone else on the planet for telling people to go screw themselves. If thats not condemning than I do not know the meaning of the word and will rush off to look it up in my Webster's.



Thanks boba, for proving my point re ignorance. Yes I condemn the islamic faith. Now can you tell me the difference between islam and muslims?
Is condemming islam the same as condemming muslims?

See what I mean. Ignorance.



posted on Mar, 8 2005 @ 09:04 AM
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Originally posted by mwm1331
Thanks boba, for proving my point re ignorance. Yes I condemn the islamic faith. Now can you tell me the difference between islam and muslims?
Is condemming islam the same as condemming muslims?

See what I mean. Ignorance.


*sigh*

Thank you for putting me in my place. WoW, I bet you feel so much better now huh? Damn me and my ignorance! You sure like to throw that word around a lot. Doh! I will just keep my ignorance to myself and not share it will all the other fun loving Christians. Wow, I feel so much better now know just how ignorant I actually am.





posted on Mar, 8 2005 @ 09:04 AM
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Originally posted by mwm1331

Originally posted by bobafett1972

Originally posted by mwm1331
Sure as soon s you show me where I condemmed someone.


Maybe you should re-read your signature then, because you condemn the entire Islamic faith. Oh, and pretty much everyone else on the planet for telling people to go screw themselves. If thats not condemning than I do not know the meaning of the word and will rush off to look it up in my Webster's.



Thanks boba, for proving my point re ignorance. Yes I condemn the islamic faith. Now can you tell me the difference between islam and muslims?
Is condemming islam the same as condemming muslims?

See what I mean. Ignorance.





Isn't the requirements of being labeled a "muslim" the belief in Islam? That is like saying that Jesus was a fraud and still consider yourself a christian.

See what I mean. Ignorance.



posted on Mar, 8 2005 @ 09:08 AM
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Originally posted by Justanotherperson

Originally posted by mwm1331

Originally posted by bobafett1972

Originally posted by mwm1331
Sure as soon s you show me where I condemmed someone.


Maybe you should re-read your signature then, because you condemn the entire Islamic faith. Oh, and pretty much everyone else on the planet for telling people to go screw themselves. If thats not condemning than I do not know the meaning of the word and will rush off to look it up in my Webster's.





Thanks boba, for proving my point re ignorance. Yes I condemn the islamic faith. Now can you tell me the difference between islam and muslims?
Is condemming islam the same as condemming muslims?

See what I mean. Ignorance.





Isn't the requirements of being labeled a "muslim" the belief in Islam? That is like saying that Jesus was a fraud and still consider yourself a christian.

See what I mean. Ignorance.


So in other words you cant distinguish between condemming a belief and the adherants of that belief?
Example I think veganism is unnatural, does that mean I hate, condemn vegans? No it means I condemn thier practice.
Or is that too subtle of a difference for you?

[edit on 8-3-2005 by mwm1331]



posted on Mar, 8 2005 @ 09:09 AM
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Originally posted by wang
but asoon as i see a christian state their beleifs....i dont even read it anymore.


And that's so very sad! Christians....I should say "some", there is a certain type of Christian....that is really damning their own religion and pushing people away.....and it is sad, because some of the basic tenets of the religion are good things to live by. I believe strongly in many thing of the things in the Christian bible and believe in a God and....but not the way Christians do. I personally think there is much that is misconstrued that Christians follow.....but the main thing is, that those types of Christians that are so holier than thou.....hurt their own faith. When I fist came to this board....I had a real interest for some reason to learn more than I knew about Christianity....I asked questions...honest questions that I thought for myself needed asked, and posted what I knew and wanted to hear honest debate on it....while I did get a bit of honest thought from a couple of Christians....I basically got the crap stuff mentioned in my fist post in this thread.....from that I have assumed that it is pointless.....but yes, it's very sad that some people are turning others completely away from what holds some truths and certainly some important historical value by being judgmental, condemning, mean spirited, hateful and holier than thou.......all the things that I thought were not represenative of a "loving" christian....and this has nothing to do with sin.....this is an attitude against others, well, I guess that is a type of sin....but it seems those so intolerant are the ones that need to go back a read their own faith's book

[edit on 3/8/2005 by LadyV]



posted on Mar, 8 2005 @ 09:19 AM
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Originally posted by mwm1331

Originally posted by Justanotherperson

Originally posted by mwm1331

Originally posted by bobafett1972

Originally posted by mwm1331
Sure as soon s you show me where I condemmed someone.


Maybe you should re-read your signature then, because you condemn the entire Islamic faith. Oh, and pretty much everyone else on the planet for telling people to go screw themselves. If thats not condemning than I do not know the meaning of the word and will rush off to look it up in my Webster's.





Thanks boba, for proving my point re ignorance. Yes I condemn the islamic faith. Now can you tell me the difference between islam and muslims?
Is condemming islam the same as condemming muslims?

See what I mean. Ignorance.





Isn't the requirements of being labeled a "muslim" the belief in Islam? That is like saying that Jesus was a fraud and still consider yourself a christian.

See what I mean. Ignorance.


So in other words you cant distinguish between condemming a belief and the adherants of that belief?
Example I think veganism is unnatural, does that mean I hate, condemn vegans? No it means I condemn thier practice.
Or is that too subtle of a difference for you?

[edit on 8-3-2005 by mwm1331]


Let me get this straight, you condemn the religion of Islam, but that does not mean that you condemn the believers of Islam, the muslims? That is not subtle, that is belligerence, ignorance at it's core.

When I say ignorance, I didn't mean you, just your belief. Can you tell the subtle difference?



posted on Mar, 8 2005 @ 09:28 AM
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The religon is the tool of the devil, the followers are just faithful who have been mislead.
Is that clear enough?

Or are you still incapable of telling the difference between a belef and those who have that belief?



posted on Mar, 8 2005 @ 09:33 AM
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Going off on a different tangent, but you can't have a belief without believers. Condemning the belief is condemning the believer.

Of course, you are free to believe what you will.


It's a big fruitcake and you are a raisin that fell off.



posted on Mar, 8 2005 @ 09:41 AM
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Really? You cant condemn a belief without condemming the believers?
Hmmm, so when the US was condemmng communism as evil in the 80s we were also condemming all sovet peoples as evil?
Hmmm Or when someone says my belief in god is illogical they are condemming me?

Justanotherperson you are entitled to your belief, even though its wrong.
However just becuase your belief is idiotic doesn't neccesarily mean you are an idiot, oh wait according to you it does!

So tell me 1000 years ago when people believed the earth was the center of the universe was it becuase they were ignorant and misinformed, or was it becuase they were simply stupid?

See we now condemn the belief that the earth is the center of the univers, however we do not condemn those who believed it, as they had no way of knowing the truth.

Just as we condem the heavens gate cult, but we accept that the followers of that cult were mislead.

But hey think what you want, I have tried to eductae you but as grandad used to say

never try to teach a pig to sing, it wastes your time and pisses off the pig



posted on Mar, 8 2005 @ 09:46 AM
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I don't know if I should laugh or yelp out a might hallaluja!!! You have educated me.

P.S. Communism is a belief system, just because you are russian does not make you a believer in communism. A christian, muslims are a believer in a certain belief system. You can't be either if you don't believe in that system. See, no hands. I love circular logic, we can continue saying the same thing until judgement day.

Ironic that the thread is called Christian hypocrites. We are right back to discussing the thread.




[edit on 8-3-2005 by Justanotherperson]



posted on Mar, 8 2005 @ 09:53 AM
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Originally posted by Justanotherperson
I don't know if I should laugh or yelp out a might hallaluja!!! You have educated me.



I take there is some funny stuff going on I can't see? LOL



posted on Mar, 8 2005 @ 09:57 AM
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Islam is a false belief system.
Muslims are people who have been mislead to believe it.
The fault and judgement lies with Islam not muslims.

Just as if you were raised in a cave and taught to believe that green is blue and blue is red, you would be wrong, but it wouldnt be your fault.

I dont condemn Muslims for ther faith, I condemn thier religon for misdirecting thier faith.
I doubt any of the Muslim people reliase they are worshipping the devil, but they are none the less. Thier faith is real, just misdirected.
But I digress, like I said think what you want I explained this simply enough that a two year old could understand it by now.



posted on Mar, 8 2005 @ 10:12 AM
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Originally posted by Blueangel7
First of all, we are all sinners, and no one is "without sin". I have learned to "focus on God", because there will always be people in the church that are gossipers and try to stir trouble. Also, I would try to get in a church that is holy-spirit filled, and established, you want to be careful not to get into a cult-type church, etc. I go to a Southern Baptist church, the pastor is kind and sweet, the people are kind and sweet, and will try to help you, etc. He preaches the bible. If someone goes against what is in the bible, and puts the focus on himself, instead of Jesus, you should watch out, because that might be a cult. I agree that it is what is in your heart that really counts, but the bible tells us to fellowship with other Christians. Also, when people try to reach you to be a Christian, they are only trying to help, and they want you to have eternal life in heaven. Put your trust in God, and don't rely on man, because man is flawed, and other people will always let you down. Hope this helps!


Thanks Blueangel. It did help. Maybe it helped other people too
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posted on Mar, 8 2005 @ 10:55 AM
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Originally posted by Blueangel7
Put your trust in God, and don't rely on man, because man is flawed


There are areas of the bible though that show flaws of god....

he knows everything so he knew what all outcomes would be from the before creation. In the garden of Eden did he not ask, Adam and Eve where they were and why they were hiding their nakedness? There are many such incidences.



posted on Mar, 8 2005 @ 11:33 AM
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Originally posted by LadyV
There are areas of the bible though that show flaws of god....

he knows everything so he knew what all outcomes would be from the before creation. In the garden of Eden did he not ask, Adam and Eve where they were and why they were hiding their nakedness? There are many such incidences.


Hey, this is an interesting one! Two possibilities in my perspective:

1.) If one sees God as 'the great teacher', then yes He already knows the answer. He asks the question to make Adam and Eve realize what they're doing. In their fear, they may not have realized that their current behaviour was different than previous behaviour.

2.) Perhaps God didn't know, in that he made himself unconcious of the individual's future to see how mankind's freewill would pan out. If you believe God is all-powerful, perhaps he could prevent himself from seeing outcomes to make this whole experiment interesting.

Which it is? I don't know. These are just the result of how I understand what I've read in Genesis. For me personally, I think it would be pre-emptive to say God is flawed (I know, I know, big shocker the Christian is defending God
). Even if he were 'flawed' in our eyes, Him being the God and therefore rule-maker for perfection, it would be our own interpretation, not that which is actually imperfect.

[edit on 8-3-2005 by saint4God]



posted on Mar, 8 2005 @ 12:02 PM
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Well, following on from that, why did God create the serpent then? He would have known that the serpent was going to tempt Adam and Eve, he would have known that they would have failed. Why punish them for an outcome that he already knew about and even created.

As Ricky Gervais said, wouldn't a sensible god have stated "If you eat the fruit of the tree, you will die. And by the way, if you see a snake don't listen to him. He's a lying little #".

There's no lesson there if you take the story literally. Just some mean old deity setting traps for his creations and then punishing them when they fall into them.



posted on Mar, 8 2005 @ 12:32 PM
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Assuming scenario 1, since 2 would not apply in this case, the answer would be the lesson to be learned was greater than Adam and Eve. The lesson was put into place for humanity to know that given a choice of following good or doing just a single act of evil that sounds appealing, guess which one we'll choose. This says to me all the people who say "I'm a good person" are blindingly optimistic about all the things that make them 'wonderful'. It is only by seeing the things we do wrong first that we can correct it and do right. That is where the growth experience resides. This is just my assessment on one scenario, I'm not quoting scripture here.

The reason why I'm so facinated by this type of topic is because there a lot of ways of looking at it and positive things to learn about God and the nature of mankind.



posted on Mar, 8 2005 @ 12:56 PM
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To get back to the original topic here....it just seems to me, that there are a lot of Christians, that use that "we're forgiven", or "we all sin because we're human" bit as a justification "to" sin....or I'm gonna do this, because "I'm human and the flesh is weak" garbage......then you have the "well, I'll pray for forgiveness" none of this washes with me......none of makes bit of sense.



posted on Mar, 8 2005 @ 01:53 PM
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hipocricy is part of human nature....blaming others for not believing in GOD or going to Churhc is HIPOCrICY in itsefl... its not others people fault you choose not to believe in God or go to church, its your own choice, so face it ..admit it , grab your pants and say OUT LOWD... I DONT BELIEVE IN GOD BECAUSE I CHOOSE NOT TO...I DONT GO TO CHURCH BECAUSE I DONT WANT TO !... and stop blaming others for your own decisions




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