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House Republicans Storm Secret Impeachment Hearing Today

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posted on Oct, 24 2019 @ 11:54 AM
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Normally I have no problems with seeing some DDDs...
a reply to: queenofswords




posted on Oct, 24 2019 @ 12:01 PM
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originally posted by: DanDanDat

My question to you is "If the Democrats believe Trump to be unquestionably guilty; why have they chosen an unprecedented path to conduct this investigation?"


Because there is no "Special Prosecutor" to conduct the investigation and make a referral to congress for articles of impeachment as there was with Clinton and Nixon.

There is not even a "Special Prosecutor" statute still in existence.
And the "Special Counsel" statute only allows referrals to DOJ, not congress and not referrals for articles of impeachment.

Add to that the fact that from what we know already, multiple internal complaints on the matter made to DOJ and WH Counsel were ignored and the current AG has a strong view of Presidential Immunity.

So no Special Prosecutor possible to investigate impeachment proceedings, Special "Counsel" can investigate stuff, but not make impeachment referrals and the AG leading DOJ views his role to include protecting a President who is entirely immune from any complaints. (Sidenote: Just yesterday the Presidents Attorneys made this immunity claim in court and said YES the President could shoot someone in the street and remain immune from the Justice system as long as he was President).

Not having the Special Prosecutor statute available to appoint a Special Prosecutor to investigate? Unprecedented in Presidential Impeachments.
Special Counsel not the same thing, specifically they can't report to congress or make an impeachment referral.

The manner in which the House is Conducting the impeachment inquiry might be "unprecedented" but it is also a product of the current state of law and policy and rules..rules put in place by the GOP House when they were in charge.

And, for what it is worth, it is not "unprecedented". 70+ Judges and other Federal employees have been "impeached" or undergone "Impeachment Investigations" without a house vote to begin those proceedings.
Put simply, it is not required.



edit on 24-10-2019 by Extorris because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 24 2019 @ 12:41 PM
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Secret Impeachment Hearing


The Theatrical Goings-On is Not a 'Hearing'... it is a 'Inquiry' with no authority over the House or Congress (Legislative Branch of Government)

It is however a Legal meet-up, convened by the power of N Pelosi and being chaired by A Schiff as a no-power assembly of Democrats... to ostensibly uncover 'news' and other 'hearsay' points of interest which would not be introduced in the much later, Impeachment Hearing which will address the Actual Evidence and Charges against DJ Trump with actions sent to the Senate Trial for actual Punishment or non-Guilt determination



posted on Oct, 24 2019 @ 12:47 PM
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a reply to: St Udio

Don't forget too that if Shifty Schiff decides to open the hearings to the public then at that point its clearly a case of politicizing this whole thing and not actually about getting down to the facts!

Those damn Democrats are pure evil!


Witchunt!!!1!!!!eleventy!!!!



posted on Oct, 24 2019 @ 12:49 PM
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One of the things politicians are best at is trying to make a pile of stool smell like a rose. Just because they can do something does not make it any less sleazy.

People should ask themselves, how it is that an attempt to remove a President from the other party instead of letting the voters decide is acceptable, even if it is somehow legal. People should ask why they would take the extreme step of hiding proceedings from the voter's as well.

It does not take a genius to understand it's so they can control the narrative and what information the voters see. It simply does not matter which party is doing it, it's still wrong.

Like so many other things they rely on partisan madness to provide them cover. It's become a sporting event where one of their players could kick and official in the shin on camera and their fans would say the official hit the players foot with their shin. None of the partisans look at the process and ask is this right, they just want to win at all costs, even sacrificing their own integrity to do so.

It's not can they do it, but should they do it. What kind of impact will this have in the future when the President on the hot seat might be from the other party?

Anything done in secret for partisan reasons is on it's face wrong and doubly so when they are trying to impeach instead of letting voters vote. This whole thing stinks, but they will get away with it. They know that Trump will not be removed by the Senate, so they are banking on their own constituents being willing to close their eyes and hold their noses while they in effect cheat to win.

When it happens to them in the future, they will scream to high heaven about how wrong what they just did themselves is. We all know that's true. If the roles were reversed the same people who love it now, would be against it. We all know that's true also.



posted on Oct, 24 2019 @ 12:53 PM
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originally posted by: Blaine91555
One of the things politicians are best at is trying to make a pile of stool smell like a rose. Just because they can do something does not make it any less sleazy.

People should ask themselves, how it is that an attempt to remove a President from the other party instead of letting the voters decide is acceptable, even if it is somehow legal. People should ask why they would take the extreme step of hiding proceedings from the voter's as well.

It does not take a genius to understand it's so they can control the narrative and what information the voters see. It simply does not matter which party is doing it, it's still wrong.

Like so many other things they rely on partisan madness to provide them cover. It's become a sporting event where one of their players could kick and official in the shin on camera and their fans would say the official hit the players foot with their shin. None of the partisans look at the process and ask is this right, they just want to win at all costs, even sacrificing their own integrity to do so.

It's not can they do it, but should they do it. What kind of impact will this have in the future when the President on the hot seat might be from the other party?

Anything done in secret for partisan reasons is on it's face wrong and doubly so when they are trying to impeach instead of letting voters vote. This whole thing stinks, but they will get away with it. They know that Trump will not be removed by the Senate, so they are banking on their own constituents being willing to close their eyes and hold their noses while they in effect cheat to win.

When it happens to them in the future, they will scream to high heaven about how wrong what they just did themselves is. We all know that's true. If the roles were reversed the same people who love it now, would be against it. We all know that's true also.



How is it non-partisan to use the power of the presidency (and in effect national power/wealth) to hurt your political rivals running against you?



posted on Oct, 24 2019 @ 01:01 PM
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Open hearings will favor truth over facts 😃



posted on Oct, 24 2019 @ 01:04 PM
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a reply to: Wayfarer

When this all went down, Biden was adamant he was not running. In fact, this was about the 2016 election, not 2020.

But I agree that this process is all about hurting a political opponent because none of the current Democrat candidates can even inspire their own base.

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posted on Oct, 24 2019 @ 01:09 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Wayfarer

When this all went down, Biden was adamant he was not running. In fact, this was about the 2016 election, not 2020.

But I agree that this process is all about hurting a political opponent because none of the current Democrat candidates can even inspire their own base.


That is kind of true. Biden hadn't declared he was running yet, but he was polling obscenely higher than any other Dem candidate, so it makes less sense to think nobody(sic. Trump) thought he was going to run.



posted on Oct, 24 2019 @ 01:14 PM
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originally posted by: Wayfarer

originally posted by: Blaine91555
One of the things politicians are best at is trying to make a pile of stool smell like a rose. Just because they can do something does not make it any less sleazy.

People should ask themselves, how it is that an attempt to remove a President from the other party instead of letting the voters decide is acceptable, even if it is somehow legal. People should ask why they would take the extreme step of hiding proceedings from the voter's as well.

It does not take a genius to understand it's so they can control the narrative and what information the voters see. It simply does not matter which party is doing it, it's still wrong.

Like so many other things they rely on partisan madness to provide them cover. It's become a sporting event where one of their players could kick and official in the shin on camera and their fans would say the official hit the players foot with their shin. None of the partisans look at the process and ask is this right, they just want to win at all costs, even sacrificing their own integrity to do so.

It's not can they do it, but should they do it. What kind of impact will this have in the future when the President on the hot seat might be from the other party?

Anything done in secret for partisan reasons is on it's face wrong and doubly so when they are trying to impeach instead of letting voters vote. This whole thing stinks, but they will get away with it. They know that Trump will not be removed by the Senate, so they are banking on their own constituents being willing to close their eyes and hold their noses while they in effect cheat to win.

When it happens to them in the future, they will scream to high heaven about how wrong what they just did themselves is. We all know that's true. If the roles were reversed the same people who love it now, would be against it. We all know that's true also.



How is it non-partisan to use the power of the presidency (and in effect national power/wealth) to hurt your political rivals running against you?



Lets ask Obama and find out

Cool?



posted on Oct, 24 2019 @ 01:15 PM
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a reply to: Wayfarer

Michelle Obama was polling within 2 points of Biden, so why hasn't Trump gone after her?



posted on Oct, 24 2019 @ 01:18 PM
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originally posted by: thedigirati

originally posted by: Wayfarer

originally posted by: Blaine91555
One of the things politicians are best at is trying to make a pile of stool smell like a rose. Just because they can do something does not make it any less sleazy.

People should ask themselves, how it is that an attempt to remove a President from the other party instead of letting the voters decide is acceptable, even if it is somehow legal. People should ask why they would take the extreme step of hiding proceedings from the voter's as well.

It does not take a genius to understand it's so they can control the narrative and what information the voters see. It simply does not matter which party is doing it, it's still wrong.

Like so many other things they rely on partisan madness to provide them cover. It's become a sporting event where one of their players could kick and official in the shin on camera and their fans would say the official hit the players foot with their shin. None of the partisans look at the process and ask is this right, they just want to win at all costs, even sacrificing their own integrity to do so.

It's not can they do it, but should they do it. What kind of impact will this have in the future when the President on the hot seat might be from the other party?

Anything done in secret for partisan reasons is on it's face wrong and doubly so when they are trying to impeach instead of letting voters vote. This whole thing stinks, but they will get away with it. They know that Trump will not be removed by the Senate, so they are banking on their own constituents being willing to close their eyes and hold their noses while they in effect cheat to win.

When it happens to them in the future, they will scream to high heaven about how wrong what they just did themselves is. We all know that's true. If the roles were reversed the same people who love it now, would be against it. We all know that's true also.



How is it non-partisan to use the power of the presidency (and in effect national power/wealth) to hurt your political rivals running against you?



Lets ask Obama and find out

Cool?


Sure, ask away. Hold more Benghazi hearings if it will help you sleep at night.



posted on Oct, 24 2019 @ 01:19 PM
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Why do people keep conflating the request to assist in the investigation of the 2016 election, which is ongoing, with a request to interfere in the 2020 election? Trump never asked for that interference. He asked for cooperation in the ongoing 2016 investigation.

But, when you listen to the enemedia, the pundits are still trying to pull this wool over our eyes.



posted on Oct, 24 2019 @ 01:19 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Wayfarer

Michelle Obama was polling within 2 points of Biden, so why hasn't Trump gone after her?



Who knows. Does it matter? He clearly was right not to go after her since she isn't running, so I'm not sure how that shifts the needle any...



posted on Oct, 24 2019 @ 01:21 PM
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originally posted by: queenofswords
Trump never asked for that interference. He asked for cooperation in the ongoing 2016 investigation.



He asked for them to re-open the investigation specifically into the Biden's involvement in Burisma, and he made it clear in both several forms of media (written, recorded, TV) that aid to Ukraine was conditional on that undertaking.



posted on Oct, 24 2019 @ 01:23 PM
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originally posted by: Blaine91555

People should ask themselves, how it is that an attempt to remove a President from the other party instead of letting the voters decide is acceptable, even if it is somehow legal.


Because our founders thought the option so important that they enshrined it in the constitution?



posted on Oct, 24 2019 @ 01:23 PM
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originally posted by: Wayfarer

originally posted by: queenofswords
Trump never asked for that interference. He asked for cooperation in the ongoing 2016 investigation.



He asked for them to re-open the investigation specifically into the Biden's involvement in Burisma, and he made it clear in both several forms of media (written, recorded, TV) that aid to Ukraine was conditional on that undertaking.


what investigation?? the one from april of 2019??
what investigation do you mean, can we see some link -please??



posted on Oct, 24 2019 @ 01:24 PM
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a reply to: LogicalGraphitti

I'm pretty sure they were questioning him about the withheld military funding for Ukraine and trying to find out who ordered that.
Not a coup. Calm down. LOL



posted on Oct, 24 2019 @ 01:25 PM
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a reply to: queenofswords

I heard differently. There are representatives from all sides in these hearings.



posted on Oct, 24 2019 @ 01:25 PM
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They should call the police next time and billy club those criminals. Arrest them and they'll fade away. They have no cause. All in defense of a liar and criminal president.



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