It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.

Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool.

Thank you.

 

Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.

 

Nasa lies about Mars atmosphere.Helicopter to fly in Mars" 0.6Percent of earths atmosphere"

page: 21
34
<< 18  19  20   >>

log in

join
share:

posted on Nov, 1 2019 @ 03:39 AM
link   
a reply to: galadofwarthethird

You


Time actually only exists to an observer. Its not real at all beyond that point.


Really?

Try solving equations accurately that utilize time as a factor without time as a factor.

So time travel is impossible since time is not real. In your logic.




posted on Nov, 1 2019 @ 02:28 PM
link   

originally posted by: SpaceBoyOnEarth
a reply to: Barcs

Speaking of twins, this is another face found on Mars

m.youtube.com... 24:30


The Mars face has been debunked for ages. Funny how the high res photos all show a normal land formation there.



posted on Nov, 1 2019 @ 02:38 PM
link   
a reply to: galadofwarthethird

Well technically they are 1 thing and that's called space-time, because time does not exist independently of space-time, it's just an effect of the movement of objects in the universe distorted by gravity. Sure we can count minutes and hours and line them up to celestial events, but that is just an invention of man based on counting. Time isn't really real outside of that tool, so it seems we are in agreement there.


And no the twins would not be different ages. That's just silly. If they orbited the earth for 10 years. You know what they would be? They would be paraplegics, as the human body is not designed or made for orbit or space.


Time Dialation

They would absolutely be different ages, but obviously it depends how fast the craft is moving. You wouldn't notice a big difference in age for 10 years in a standard speed craft, but it would be there because they both perceive time differently because one of them is further from the source of gravity, so one of them would be a little bit older. And yes a human can stay in space long term if the proper exercises and precautions are taken. Multiple people have been in space for more than 2 years and that technology is only improving.


edit on 11 1 19 by Barcs because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 1 2019 @ 02:57 PM
link   
a reply to: Barcs




Well technically they are 1 thing and that's called space-time,


Gravity is the bending of spacetime according to mainstream science, so time and gravity are not 1 thing. And also according to mainstream science, spacetime isnt even a thing, its a mathematical concept so you are just posting words that dont make any sense.



posted on Nov, 1 2019 @ 03:41 PM
link   
a reply to: NormanDBates

And your words make sense how, exactly?



posted on Nov, 1 2019 @ 03:43 PM
link   
 


off-topic post removed to prevent thread-drift


 



posted on Nov, 1 2019 @ 03:50 PM
link   
 


off-topic post removed to prevent thread-drift


 



posted on Nov, 1 2019 @ 09:12 PM
link   
a reply to: neutronflux

What about that do you not get?

Time is a measurement, and an observation in relations to something else.

And yes you can do equations or math involving time. Because time is a way of measuring and calculating things. Its not an inherent part of physical matter, its the software to the hardware. Physical matter is the hardware, and time is the software.

Or do you as well subscribe to the time particle theory. If so, going to ask the same that I asked the rest of true believers. So how many time particles make up one second? Or half a second, heck a minute or an hour? Were would the time particle be, somewhere between the photon and electron?

If you want to travel back in time in this physical universe to lets say a thousand years ago.

You would have to not only move the Earth to the exact place in time in the void of space but every single molecule, every single atom, proton electron, and not only on the earth but in space and in relation to everything else the whole cosmos from the earth to the moon to Jupiter to the sun and every other sun and plane of matter around it.

Rewind all physically matter back to a place and time that it was a thousand years ago. If you think that your going to pass through a time hole or whatever and end up back in the past or that gravity is going to somehow make you age slower then this or that.

That's like a camel passing through marmalade to get to San Francisco. A wholly ridiculous statement.



posted on Nov, 1 2019 @ 09:26 PM
link   
a reply to: Barcs
You give me a thought experiment from some people who so called "thought" it up, about how they would age slower if they were somewhere else?

I have seen better parables and thought experiments in the bible and that was a few thousand years ago.

So no! They would not age slower, they would be paraplegics, or likely die of kidney failure or a thousand other effect that being outside the normal electromagnetic sphere of earth. And no, being in low orbit is not the same as being in space. And even astronauts who stay up there for months, or years as you say.

Did not come back younger. They were on walking canes for at least there first few weeks back, not to mention all the other problems they had. If anything, you could say there physical bio makeup aged, they did not stay younger thats for sure.

There is a whole hell of alot more going on this supposed spacetime continum you all purpose.

Or here, guess which twin was in space for year? The one that looks older, and they had to help out of pod, he could barely raise his had to wave as well, when he got back. So when you say that your will somehow age slower if your orbiting in space at certain distances and speeds.

Well there is a whole hell of a lot of other factors involved then time. Like for instance, the obvious, biology.



posted on Nov, 1 2019 @ 11:35 PM
link   

originally posted by: Barcs

originally posted by: SpaceBoyOnEarth
a reply to: Barcs

Speaking of twins, this is another face found on Mars

m.youtube.com... 24:30


The Mars face has been debunked for ages. Funny how the high res photos all show a normal land formation there.


Can you post one of those high resolution photos. It would end all the conspiracies.

About gravity, in my uneducated and conspiratorial mindset, i have come with "out of the box" thinking that there is no such thing as gravity and time bending as people think.

Material draws to each other and thats that. They do not bend any space time.

In space, at vacuum and weightlessness, clocks run at the correct speed, unaffected by gravitational force. Thats the real speed.

Human body consists almost entirely of cells which have adapted on a genetical level to gravitational forces. They were also clearly engineered for a gravitational world.

Body was never meant to "age at the same speed" in space, where it ages faster than on earth. If you had the technology, you could modify cells to age slower in space, but then they would likely age faster in gravity. But this is beyond our reach.

Materials , atoms, draw eachother, but there is no mysterious time space bending, some material behave so due to materials being drawn to eachother.

Einstein was wrong. Proof? Mainstream media says he was right.
edit on 1-11-2019 by SpaceBoyOnEarth because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 2 2019 @ 02:07 AM
link   
a reply to: galadofwarthethird

Get triggered easy?



posted on Nov, 2 2019 @ 03:42 AM
link   
For a civilization that has walked on the moon hlaf dozen times 3 particular years 50 yrs ago,
Would ne nice to see progress in spacesuit features and more clear video being shared pf spacewalks etc not just clips of people hanging out im free fall or inner orbit



posted on Nov, 2 2019 @ 07:46 AM
link   
a reply to: mizrahi

NASA new spacesuit design - designed for moon/Mars missions where person will have to walk, grasp /carry things


www.youtube.com...



posted on Nov, 2 2019 @ 11:23 AM
link   

originally posted by: NormanDBates
a reply to: Barcs




Well technically they are 1 thing and that's called space-time,


Gravity is the bending of spacetime according to mainstream science, so time and gravity are not 1 thing. And also according to mainstream science, spacetime isnt even a thing, its a mathematical concept so you are just posting words that dont make any sense.


First, I said that space and time were 1 thing, not time and gravity.

Mathematical models make no sense to you? You know we can observe gravity waves and other effects on space-time, right?



posted on Nov, 2 2019 @ 11:31 AM
link   

originally posted by: galadofwarthethird
You give me a thought experiment from some people who so called "thought" it up, about how they would age slower if they were somewhere else?

I have seen better parables and thought experiments in the bible and that was a few thousand years ago.


Hafele & Keating Experiment

Thought experiment? Bible parables.


It is a prediction based general relativity and it has been tested using atomic clocks and the time dilation effect is consistent every time. Time passes differently for the clocks moving at high speeds and altitudes and that's not the only one.


Did not come back younger. They were on walking canes for at least there first few weeks back, not to mention all the other problems they had. If anything, you could say there physical bio makeup aged, they did not stay younger thats for sure.


Where did I say they come back younger? They experience and perceive time at a different rate. Arguing that traveling in space is bad for humans is a complete red herring to the fact that time dilation exists and has been directly tested.



posted on Nov, 2 2019 @ 11:41 AM
link   

originally posted by: SpaceBoyOnEarth
Can you post one of those high resolution photos. It would end all the conspiracies.


It would end absolutely nothing, just like when the original face was shown to be a normal land formation with a shadow going across it. You'd call it fake, just like you think that other one was, so there is no point.


Material draws to each other and thats that. They do not bend any space time.


Then how do you account for time dilation?


In space, at vacuum and weightlessness, clocks run at the correct speed, unaffected by gravitational force. Thats the real speed.


What causes gravity to affect time, then? You contradicted yourself big time. If material just draws to each other, why would that effect experience of time? The warping of space-time makes the most sense and is supported by the most evidence.


Human body consists almost entirely of cells which have adapted on a genetical level to gravitational forces. They were also clearly engineered for a gravitational world.


They weren't engineered, they evolved and adapted to their environments over time.


Body was never meant to "age at the same speed" in space, where it ages faster than on earth. If you had the technology, you could modify cells to age slower in space, but then they would likely age faster in gravity. But this is beyond our reach.


Technology is improving vastly every decade. There is no reason to think we won't be able to one day conquer that barrier.



posted on Nov, 3 2019 @ 08:49 PM
link   
a reply to: neutronflux
No.

Dont even know what your talking about?



posted on Nov, 7 2019 @ 09:49 PM
link   
Been around since ww2 or beyond? Old tech


a reply to: pheonix358



Commercial aircraft typically fly between 31,000 and 38,000 feet — about 5.9 to 7.2 miles — high and usually reach their cruising altitudes in the first 10 minutes of a flight, according to Beckman


edit on 7-11-2019 by CrazyFox because: (no reason given)

edit on 7-11-2019 by CrazyFox because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 7 2019 @ 10:38 PM
link   

originally posted by: Chadwickus
a reply to: SpaceBoyOnEarth




This is comedy gold!

Maybe you could sketch up what a Mars helicopter should look like?


this



posted on Nov, 16 2019 @ 10:12 PM
link   

originally posted by: SpaceBoyOnEarth

originally posted by: Bhadhidar
You might be making an unfounded assumption about the Mars copter rotors.

Look into the design of the propeller blades used on the battery-powered Helios aircraft, and check out the atmospheric density at the design ceiling for that craft and those “blades”.

Then reduce the gravity to Mars standard.

I worked with folks who took the Helios prop design and modified it to work at altitudes in excess of 100KFT.

Try those values for Mars-like gravity wells!


What you are talking now, is how to make blades as best as they can, aerodynamically. Well, guess what.

Bell, sikorsky, airbus, all have highest paid engineers on planet regarding rotor aerodynamics, on which is best one. If nasa somehow made a new blade model which grabs several tens of times more material through them with a same engine and same rpm than anything created before, these companies would copy. But they arent. Cause it aint about the blade.



They're not engineering a blade that could displace that much air on Earth. They're engineering one to displace that much air on Mars.

Having a thinner atmosphere means you have a harder time achieving lift. But...

It also means you encounter less aerodynamic drag.

That means a wider blade can spin faster than a similarly wide blade could spin in Earth's atmosphere, and it will do so using less energy than it would in Earth's atmosphere.

Nearly 100% of the mechanical energy used by a helicopter that doesn't go directly into lift, is going into resisting aerodynamic drag




top topics



 
34
<< 18  19  20   >>

log in

join