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originally posted by: EartOccupant
a reply to: charlyv
Without doubting that nice little helicopter's performance.
Do you really think there is no strategical, commercial , military lying, truth bending, agenda going on in space exploration data ?
An Observational History of Mars
by Dave Snyder
Printed in Reflections: April and May 2001
(updated January 2002).
1909: The available observations did not always support Lowell’s ideas. There was growing doubt about the existence of the canals themselves, not to mention the rest of Lowell’s ideas. When he encountered skepticism, Lowell became dogmatic and found new audiences for his ideas by giving public lectures, writing books and writing articles in popular magazines. Lowell became an outcast in the scientific community. However he had support from a few scientists. In particular, Flammarion was always sympathetic to Lowell and his ideas. He has become well known and respected by the general public.
Lowell’s activities discouraged many scientists, particularly in the United States, from studying Mars as it no longer seemed a “serious” subject worthy of scientific pursuit. However in Lowell’s defense, some have argued that he deserves credit for developing modern planetology, a word Lowell invented. He originated the notion that the Martian climate has changed over time, a notion we now believe to be correct. He insisted that any theory of planetary evolution needed to account for changes in all the planets not just the planet a scientist happened to be studying. And he was the first to suggest that Mars is the best location to test theories of climate change. This might help scientists studying changing in the Earth’s climate. In some respects Lowell was almost a hundred years ahead of his time. On the other hand, his ideas on possible Martian biology seem antiquated to the modern observer.
1912: Svante Arrhenius has an alternate suggestion for the Martian surface variation: Mars might be covered with salts, during the winter the salts have a light color. When the polar caps melt in summer, the salts absorb water and develop a darker color.
1938: On the day before Halloween, Orson Wells produces a radio production of the fictional story “War of the Worlds.” This is a story of Martians invading the earth. The production was so convincing, that many people believe there has been a real invasion by Martians. A panic resulted.
1947: The Association of Lunar and Planetary Observers (ALPO) is formed. ALPO along with the BAA (which was founded in 1890) and other organizations coordinate several Mars observation programs. In such programs, amateur and/or professional astronomers from around the world pool resources. Over the next several years, these programs provide several extended periods of almost continuous observations (because you can observe Mars only at night, it is impossible for a single observer at a single location to do this - but a group of observers can).
1952: Gerard Kuiper makes the first attempt to determine the composition of the Martian atmosphere using modern equipment. He discovered spectral lines that indicated carbon dioxide. For several decades, researchers had attempted to measure the atmospheric pressure of Mars. Estimates varied over a wide range, from less than 24 millibars to well over 90 millibars (by comparison the earth’s atmospheric pressure is about 1000 millibars). However scientists did not think there could be 24, let alone 90 millibars of carbon dioxide. Therefore they reasoned the remainder of the atmosphere was made up of something else. This was assumed to be nitrogen and argon (since these were the only non-reactive gases likely to be present on Mars that wouldn’t have been detected by the analysis methods used at the time).
originally posted by: SpaceBoyOnEarth
a reply to: neutronflux
Theres no such thing as a scientific community.
There are people who think they know the truth. They are (at least nowdays) pushed around by those who know the truth.
Those who know the truth (or atleast the latest version of it), have enough power to keep the situation so.
For example, if you are a smart scientist, you can and they will let you do your job.
But if you get too close to the truth, whatever it is, you are either silenced or hired by one step above where you now are and you wont be speaking publicly anymore.
Currently the "objectivity of scientific community" in the west, is just on the same level as it was during the worst periods in soviet union, if you asked people are there freedoms in Ussr.
If you read rand corporation papers which is a large think tank, there were plans to nuke soviet union, even if they nuke America back. But if 30 million americans would have survived, the cost was thought to be worth it.
So this is the mindset of the people you are dealing with, so yes, they will shut up some scientist.
Thank my martian gods im not a scientist, so i can reveal without being afraid, truth behind cydonia mars face and the pyramid
I made a thread here, you can read it there:
I believe last night I found out the truth or part of it, behind mars face and the big pyramid.
Oh btw, i also saw where life came to this planet. Mystery solved.
Now lets move back to mars. Im sure there are some big hallways filled with stone or clay books which have more info on our origins and our life on earth.
Theres no such thing as a scientific community.
Martians were trying to reach immortality. And they blew the planet. Trying to open a portal and entering it but instead huge amounts of energy entered our world and mars went boom.
Mars atmosphere is there in its current form because it has reached a "saturation point". Meaning: damage that sun does to it, cant harm further. It stays there
originally posted by: galadofwarthethird
And also, time may also just be something that only exists in peoples heads as a way to keep track and measure things. That to may not be a thing in itself, much less your vision or Mars or what you read on some site.
They then ran simulations with asteroids of various sizes to determine what size would best fit the Martian geology. The answer was a huge asteroid about 745 miles across (1,200 kilometers) — nearly the length of the state of California. The simulations suggest this behemoth slammed into Mars about 4.43 billion years ago, just 700 million years after the solar system was formed. Several smaller impacts occurred in the eons that followed.
The entire southern half of Mars id result of large asteroid smashing into the planet
Not so much. It probably has more to do with the fact that Mars lacks a large moon to help stabilize it against the gravitational influences of other planets.
Also the axial tilt of the planet has experienced some wild tilts caused by impacts