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Romans; - Escape from sin

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posted on Oct, 18 2019 @ 05:00 PM
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In Paul’s explanation of the gospel, he has shown how the obedience of Christ cancelled out the disobedience of Adam, and how the grace given by God overcame the judgement brought by sin.
Although knowledge of law made the problem worse, by making sin more self-conscious and culpable, the long-term effect was that “grace abounded all the more”, to cover it.

But this provides one possible excuse for remaining sinful. If we continue in sin, the argument goes, that provides even more opportunities for grace to work (ch6 v1)
This was the line of argument put forward in ch3 v8. Paul gave no real answer at the time, but he now refutes it by showing how the state of being justified is not compatible with tolerating sin.

The short answer is that we have “died to sin” (v3). Sin is part of the old life, which has been abandoned, so it’s not possible to continue living that life.

Then Paul sets out to explain how this works.
At the beginning of our Christian life, we were baptised into Christ Jesus (v3).
That “into” means that we began to share in his experience.
Christ died and was buried, so the same thing has happened to us; we died
with him and were buried with him.
As a result, we also share in what follows; Christ was raised from the dead, and the same thing will happen to us. We will “walk in newness of life”.

“If we have been united with him in a death like his, we shall certainly be united with him in a resurrection like his” (v5).
In the long term, this means the final resurrection.
But there is an immediate application.
When we were crucified “together with” Christ, the intended result was that our old sinful life would be killed off altogether, so that we would no longer be enslaved by sin. We would be free of that bond.

If we died “together with” Christ, we shall live “together with Christ” (v8).
But what does that mean for Christ and for us?
Obviously it means that he will never die again, and the same must be true for us (which takes “reincarnation” out of Christian theology).
Death no longer has dominion over him.
But by the same token, sin has no dominion over him.
He died to the possibility of submitting to sin, and lives in submission to God.
Therefore we, being “in Christ Jesus” should consider ourselves to be in the same position- dead to sin, and alive to God (v11).

This brings us to the great paradox of Christian life, that we have escaped from sin and we have not yet escaped from sin.
We see it in John’s epistle. On the one hand, “No one born of God commits sin” (1 John ch3 v9). On the other hand, “If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us” (1 John ch1 v8).
This chapter is tackling the same issue.
Paul has just been telling his readers that sin has no power over them.
Now he begins warning them not to let sin have power over them.
They have been freed from sin, in the eyes of God, but they need to live up to that status. They must have faith in their freedom from sin and act out their freedom from sin.
Do not allow sin to reign in your bodies, compelling you to obey their passions (v12).
Putting the same thing another way, do not surrender your limbs to the power of sin, to be used as tools in the service of wickedness.
Surrender them, instead, to God, to be used as tools in the service of righteousness.
This would be only right, because he has brought you from death into life, as already described.
We are under grace, which means we are no longer under law, and also means that we are no longer under sin.

This brings Paul back (v15) to the original false argument, that the condition of grace is a reason why we might allow ourselves to continue in sin.
His response is that we are not free agents. We are obliged to live in a state of submission, or slavery, and our choice lies between the two masters; sin, which leads to death, or obedience to God, which leads to righteousness.
But his readers already been slaves to sin once, and they were freed from that slavery by accepting the teaching of the apostles, and they became slaves of righteousness.
When they were slaves to sin, they kept surrendering themselves to greater degrees of sin.
In the same way, being slaves of righteousness, they should be surrendering themselves to greater degrees of sanctification.

In the state of “slavery to sin”, it is true, they were free, or allowing themselves to be free, from the claims of righteousness.
But where was the benefit of that?
The end-result was death.
Reversing that, when they are free from sin and slaves only to God, the end-result is sanctification and eternal life.
Comparing them as rival forms of service;
“The wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord” (v23).




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posted on Oct, 18 2019 @ 05:19 PM
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a reply to: DISRAELI

Thank you for this insight.




posted on Oct, 18 2019 @ 05:21 PM
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a reply to: IrateCanadian
You're welcome. Have you been reading the previous Romans threads?



posted on Oct, 18 2019 @ 05:23 PM
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a reply to: DISRAELI

Only as far back as "Romans;- No preference for the Jews".

Will have to find time later this weekend to read the remainders of your past posts.



posted on Oct, 18 2019 @ 06:19 PM
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This chapter is tackling the same issue.
Paul has just been telling his readers that sin has no power over them.
Now he begins warning them not to let sin have power over them.
They have been freed from sin, in the eyes of God, but they need to live up to that status. They must have faith in their freedom from sin and act out their freedom from sin.
Do not allow sin to reign in your bodies, compelling you to obey their passions (v12).
Putting the same thing another way, do not surrender your limbs to the power of sin, to be used as tools in the service of wickedness.


In other words, this addresses the issue of Sunday only Christians.


If you are saved from sin, then you are not a slave to it and you ought to live like it.



posted on Oct, 18 2019 @ 06:21 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko
Yes. This is the part that James thinks is being neglected (but it isn't).



posted on Oct, 18 2019 @ 06:41 PM
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originally posted by: DISRAELI
In Paul’s explanation of the gospel, he has shown how the obedience of Christ cancelled out the disobedience of Adam, and how the grace given by God overcame the judgement brought by sin.
Although knowledge of law made the problem worse, by making sin more self-conscious and culpable, the long-term effect was that “grace abounded all the more”, to cover it.

But this provides one possible excuse for remaining sinful. If we continue in sin, the argument goes, that provides even more opportunities for grace to work (ch6 v1)


The idea of "grace" did not even exist before the 1500. As I said many times the Bible has be usurped to cultivate obedience to authority, that is, the king. It's not clear to me monarchy is our omnipotent God's chosen form of government. It is, however, the chosen form of government of King James.

"By the Grace of God (Latin Dei Gratia, abbreviated D.G.) is an introductory part of the full styles of a monarch historically considered to be ruling by divine right, not a title in its own right. In the United Kingdom, for example, the phrase was added to the royal style in 1521 and has continued to be used to this day. According to the "Royal Proclamation reciting the altered Style and Titles of the Crown" of May 29, 1953, the latest such change of royal title, Elizabeth II's present full title is"

"Originally, it had a literal meaning: the divine will was invoked—notably by Christian monarchs—as legitimation (the only one above every earthly power) for the absolutist authority the monarch wielded. This is also known as the divine right of kings, that is, the endorsement of God for the monarch's reign."

en.wikipedia.org...

The divine right of kings is something King James made up to legitimize his government by monarchy.

God created us with imperfections. Imperfection in nature and in our character is the source of all that is evil in the World. There's nothing we can do, say, or believe that will make us perfect without sin.

Having obedience to God in this context means having obedience to the King. This is nothing but evil manipulation to legitimize monarchy and the rule by the King. The King became God on Earth. This kind of manipulation is pure evil.

Jesus was a Jewish rabbi who got himself crucified because the was a threat to the power structure at the time. He either was organizing rebellion against the Romans. Or he was espousing a creed the pharisees believed was a threat to their cash cow from Temples. Jesus probably told the people they do not have to pay for absolution. And their salvation comes directly from God. Otherwise, what else could Jesus have been saying to get himself crucified?

I think the Bible was completely take over by King James translators to say the only way to salvation is by pleasing the King who has divine rights from God.

I'm trying very hard not to be irreverent here but the Bible text doesn't seem right. Have absolute obedience to authority, that is, the king on Earth. Got it.


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posted on Oct, 18 2019 @ 06:51 PM
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originally posted by: dfnj2015
The idea of "grace" did not even exist before the 1500.

We have copies of the Bible for more than a thousand years before 1500, and these passages exist in all of them, including the word "grace"- GRATIA in the Latin, CHARIS in the Greek. The existence of those earlier copies disproves the silly theory that King James added stuff to the text.



posted on Oct, 18 2019 @ 07:19 PM
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Romans 16:25 has Paul revealing his mysteries from before the world was........he lays out Grace salvation and ends the two verses.....with " for the correct observance of faith. "
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