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posted on Oct, 18 2019 @ 08:27 AM
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originally posted by: Finspiracy

originally posted by: Sheye
a reply to: Finspiracy

Many many non Christians love to judge Christians , and our blind to their own hypocrisy. 😔👎🏼


True. I am a non Christian, obviously, But i respect many Christians. I also dislike many of them. I don't think i am being hypocritical. I like many atheists. I dislike many atheists. Seems like we are, in regards to opinions and general view about life, so far from each other, that further discussion is fruitless because you can't understand, and i also can't understand.


I try to love all people, though at times I may not appreciate the characteristics they show.
I’ve had to practice a lot of forgiveness as a Christian and it hasn’t always been easy. That being said, I fully realize how I fall short of the Christian ideal often.

I think I have a rather keen understanding of you Finn. Lets just leave it at that.




posted on Oct, 18 2019 @ 08:35 AM
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originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed

originally posted by: JustJohnny
a reply to: EdgeofParadise

Just out of curiosity, how do you square the fact that Christianity was just as bad as present day Islamic terrorists idk.. 70 years ago all the way back to the beginning...



It blows my mind people think Christians “we were wrong for 2000 years, but now we have it right..”


It blows my mind that you can't understand the difference between people who represented themselves as Christians yet did great evil in the world lusting for power, over those who were real Christians who loved each other and cared for their fellow man.

How convenient it must be for you to lump them all into one category of badness to vindicate your own lack of moral persuasion. Because that is all that you are doing upon yourself if you keep it up. Grow out of it while you have the chance.

The same could be said for the majority of Christians who indict all atheists for the atrocities of a few, and refuse to acknowledge that the majority of atheists have never committed an atrocity.

How convenient it must be for them to lump all atheists into one category of badness...
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posted on Oct, 18 2019 @ 08:45 AM
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originally posted by: Klassified

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed

originally posted by: JustJohnny
a reply to: EdgeofParadise

Just out of curiosity, how do you square the fact that Christianity was just as bad as present day Islamic terrorists idk.. 70 years ago all the way back to the beginning...



It blows my mind people think Christians “we were wrong for 2000 years, but now we have it right..”


It blows my mind that you can't understand the difference between people who represented themselves as Christians yet did great evil in the world lusting for power, over those who were real Christians who loved each other and cared for their fellow man.

How convenient it must be for you to lump them all into one category of badness to vindicate your own lack of moral persuasion. Because that is all that you are doing upon yourself if you keep it up. Grow out of it while you have the chance.

The same could be said for the majority of Christians who indict all atheists for the atrocities of a few, and refuse to acknowledge that the majority of atheists have never committed an atrocity.

How convenient it must be for them to lump all atheists into one category of badness...


Exactly my point. Anyone who acts with piety and judges others really only judges himself.



posted on Oct, 18 2019 @ 10:16 AM
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a reply to: Klassified




Many many Christians love to judge non-Christians, and are willfully blind to their own hypocrisy.


Finn already posted something similar to this , which is why I replied that the opposite is also very true. Non Christians often feel they are above any judgement from anyone because they have no belief in God.

We all judge, and sometimes have to make judgement calls. I didn’t care for the way Finn was addressing Edge, so I made reference to it.



posted on Oct, 18 2019 @ 11:05 AM
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originally posted by: Klassified

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed

originally posted by: JustJohnny
a reply to: EdgeofParadise

Just out of curiosity, how do you square the fact that Christianity was just as bad as present day Islamic terrorists idk.. 70 years ago all the way back to the beginning...



It blows my mind people think Christians “we were wrong for 2000 years, but now we have it right..”


It blows my mind that you can't understand the difference between people who represented themselves as Christians yet did great evil in the world lusting for power, over those who were real Christians who loved each other and cared for their fellow man.

How convenient it must be for you to lump them all into one category of badness to vindicate your own lack of moral persuasion. Because that is all that you are doing upon yourself if you keep it up. Grow out of it while you have the chance.

The same could be said for the majority of Christians who indict all atheists for the atrocities of a few, and refuse to acknowledge that the majority of atheists have never committed an atrocity.

How convenient it must be for them to lump all atheists into one category of badness...


Do they Klass, I often have a crack at atheists with that style, just to mirror the argument you and many use

To hi lite how ridiculous your argument is

Often I hear people complain about crusades and burning but never here atheists reflect on the issues non belief can cause.

Anyway, atheists will generally hold criminals responsible

Those Jehovah Witnesses protect pedophiles in their congregations
That’s a concern, they won’t even challenge those in charge



posted on Oct, 18 2019 @ 11:14 AM
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originally posted by: Klassified
a reply to: Sheye


You all act like your above sinning, and the JW’s are the worst lot on this planet. Maybe look into what some of your fav heavy metal bands do on their ‘down’ time Fin before you so easily cast stones at EdgeofParadise.

Those heavy metal bands aren't claiming to be "God's" ambassadors, nor are they claiming the moral high ground.


Many many non Christians love to judge Christians , and are blind to their own hypocrisy.

Many many Christians love to judge non-Christians, and are willfully blind to their own hypocrisy.


Then why do you think Edge can control or should control what others do in his church.

He can't, nor should he, but he can acknowledge it and denounce it.



Every single Jehovah witness should acknowledge and denounce it
Every single church, Christian or not

It took years for the Catholics to be held accountable, but they are
People, atheists and Christians should be putting pressure on any group, Christian or not that allows pedophiles to not face justice and get help.

There are issues on both sides with believers and non but, harbouring pedophiles and suggesting it’s Gods church
Abhorrent



posted on Oct, 18 2019 @ 11:23 AM
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originally posted by: Sheye
a reply to: Klassified




Many many Christians love to judge non-Christians, and are willfully blind to their own hypocrisy.


Finn already posted something similar to this , which is why I replied that the opposite is also very true. Non Christians often feel they are above any judgement from anyone because they have no belief in God.

We all judge, and sometimes have to make judgement calls. I didn’t care for the way Finn was addressing Edge, so I made reference to it.


What’s this no judgement thing?
What are you talking about, you can’t be that foolish

Christians have to judge,we have to be accountable for our selves, family children.
I don’t want my kids hanging around dangerous people, people who use drugs, smoke drink. I don’t hang around my old sporting clubs where my drunken mates are and i use to drink because I will.
I warn people about different people who are abusive and arrogant.
I have left churches because they are run by men who are idiots, arrogant and lazy

God gave us a brain, for God’s sake, use it
Nothing wrong with judging people, condemning is a different matter.

The bible says, “wipe your feet and walk away”

If you have kids and know there are predators in Jehovah witness churches and you attend one, be it on your own head.
Give me a break, no common sense what so ever



posted on Oct, 18 2019 @ 11:45 AM
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a reply to: Raggedyman

The Jehovah Witnesses preach blood guilt against the church for all the deaths/murders in their pasts, yet JW has changed its blood policy so often that thousands have died who could be alive today also known as blood guilt.

JW are known for their NUMEROUS false prophecies that has destroyed many families in many ways.

Their bible edited by an occultists.

Very sad.



posted on Oct, 18 2019 @ 12:07 PM
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a reply to: EdgeofParadise

What our religion and Our king and GOD incarnate Yeshua said is this.

The Earth and the fullness thereof BELONG to God.

But he also told the parable of the Tares, HIS/GOD's Enemy came and planted his in the garden that God had made to destroy the children of God by corrupting them but the Lord's angels shall sift the wheat and separate the Tares and Chaff from the Wheat.

God is the creator, the Devil whom often claim's to be God as well is a corruptor.

The Devil used to pretend to be a Servant of the Lord but all the while he schemed to try to take God's place but of course God always knew this and it had to come to light so he let it, the Devil failed when the angels of the third Lowest Quire those being Michael, Gabriel (the real one the devil like's to use his name), Raphael, Uriel, Sealtiel (Salaphiel), Jehudiel and Barachiel stood up against him and laid down there own lives to protect God, now it was a test and God would have let the devil reach his throne then ended all of creation the devil included but the self sacrifice of these little angels so touched his heart that he took them into himself and Michael then lead the host of Heaven against the fallen host of the Devil and cast them out.

Jesus never claimed to be God but he put it like this, The father is in the Son and the Son is in the Father, He who see's me see's the Father, non come to the father except by me, ONLY the son has seen the father not even the angels in heaven have seen the father but only the son, blessed are the pure in heart for they shall see God.
He also never refuted those that called him God and only did so once when someone called him Good and he corrected them that no one is good except God alone.
(So only by Grace can we be saved for other than grace NONE is free of Sin but by Grace are we washed and made clean).



pheonix358 what the hell are you talking about, you think that secularism were human dignity is for sale is better, that Islam that follow's a liar, murderer and child rapist is better.

Russia never woke up it went to sleep, were do you think the devil hides, were is the best place for him to destroy Christianity other than in the heart and mouth of it's enemy's (whom God can turn to his own use like he did with Saul of Tarsis), the Devil hides behind the cloth of priests, in the heart's of people in the congregation's, in the mouth's of Secularists and the war cries of Jihadis and most of all in the minds of those that Deny God even exists.

How do you protect children, come on tell us.
By leading them into Darkness, by denying them HOPE for an afterlife because YOU don't believe in it, by leaving them with a vacuum that only belief can fill and the devil is only too happy to fill that vacuum so long as he keep's them from Jesus.

Come off it, I have read that there is a claim that religion has killed more people but in fact Socialist Atheism and capitalist Greed are the real killers, greed to steal America from it's native people's caused the longest genocide in human history.
Greed to Control the people's of Russia and China by little horrid men like Stalin and Mao led to the massacre of hundreds of millions - more even than the NAZI's accomplished and Pol Pot was just a tiny mirror image of those two.

You think that you are awake but you are sleep walking with your eye's closed into a hole.


Organized religion will always be open to abuse which is why my only religion is God through Jesus, My only Priests is my Lord and my Church is all fellow Christian's regardless of there denomination so long as they seek Jesus.


You know your guy Mao used to believe in traditional Chinese medicine right, his doctor's told him that his Syphilis could be cured by sleeping with Virgin's and so bus load's of young village girl's - pretty one's but really just kid's - used to be taken to him and often there screams could be heard as he raped them - to cure his syphilis which of course could never be cured like that.
You know your one child policy, how many baby's died because they were girl's.
You know your Ethnic Cleansing of the Tibetan's.
You know your people became Cannibal's during the so called Cultural revolution - not a revolution at all just Mao destroying traditional China so he could brainwash and shape the survivors into his own image of what a perfect compliant Chinese communist drone would be like with him as emperor of course (you know Syphilis affects the mind don't you).
Even today Cannibalism is rife in China, still born baby's are a delicacy in some places.

So why are you saying Russia when it seems that you are speaking from further east, you know many Russian's are Devout Orthodox Christian and the orthodox Priests also have a very long history of good and bad, devil's and saint's both in the same uniform, child abuse and rape.

it's not the religion because in Communism those same people are that abuse kid's in Religious establishments are PARTY members, it's in there nature they tend to be sociopath's with very persuasive personality's so they get into positions of power and abuse those position's, nothing to do with the religion or indeed even there profession but it is were the wolf chooses to hide were it can do what it want's and get away with it.
Police, Teachers, Party Members, Politician's, Priests in fact any position that can afford them power over people and there intended victim's.


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posted on Oct, 18 2019 @ 12:40 PM
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a reply to: Klassified



Those heavy metal bands aren't claiming to be "God's" ambassadors, nor are they claiming the moral high ground.


Actually many are claiming to be God’s ambassadors behind closed doors because they follow satanic cults and they believe satan to be God.

So if you’re going to promote and listen to music created by such people, you’re certainly in no position to harshly judge others about their religious organizations.



posted on Oct, 18 2019 @ 12:59 PM
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a reply to: EdgeofParadise

I detect a certain dishonesty in the leap of logic where "god created everything and has an ineffable plan to make sure everything will be okay" and "this same guy also invented evil incarnate and let the literal beast roam free while he is planning an apocalyptic scenario that destroys a third of civilization just to prove a point". That's not benevolent leadership. That's invasion, coercion and scapegoating. That is the crown of england kicking in America's door and dropping a nuke on our nation as payback for daring to defy the king and win the war for our independence. Lizzie isn't allowed to do that but God is? Hmmm... But what do I know. Gravity is a law of physics but also just a "theory". Ineffable plans are simultaneously completely unknown and perfectly logical. Sovereign authority cannot be questioned or challenged yet free will is an inviolable right that cannot be taken away. Which of these is true? 1 cannot be 0.
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posted on Oct, 18 2019 @ 01:18 PM
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Well, if God has an ineffable plan, that meant to test faith or the will of the human spirit...why is it the ones that believe it, dont like their position in the universe that the Lord has placed them, lack it an complain about it?
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posted on Oct, 18 2019 @ 01:32 PM
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...greed to steal America from it's native people's caused the longest genocide in human history.

Yes, and most of the people behind it were "devout" Christians, just as most of the slave holders were.


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posted on Oct, 18 2019 @ 07:32 PM
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originally posted by: Klassified
a reply to: LABTECH767


...greed to steal America from it's native people's caused the longest genocide in human history.

Yes, and most of the people behind it were "devout" Christians, just as most of the slave holders were.



I would say devout atheists pretending to be Christians

Jesus taught, love
How does that work with devout christianity?
Where an atheist has no such burden, humanity is cattle, no value, like Stalin, Pol Pot and your Mao treated people like



posted on Oct, 18 2019 @ 07:40 PM
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And if God stood over people as you suggest, people would moan and complain the lack of autonomy
You already are

It’s funny, Trump wants out of the messy ME, but so many don’t want out of the ME. Trump wants to let the Kurds self determine, defend.
So what’s right, you want God to baby you? Big boy?

Eventually the Turks will cause havoc to the Kurds and US will step in
That’s God’s plan, when things get so bad, step in

Humanity will destroy itself, that’s a given



posted on Oct, 18 2019 @ 07:48 PM
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originally posted by: Raggedyman
a reply to: TzarChasm
And if God stood over people as you suggest, people would moan and complain the lack of autonomy
You already are

It’s funny, Trump wants out of the messy ME, but so many don’t want out of the ME. Trump wants to let the Kurds self determine, defend.
So what’s right, you want God to baby you? Big boy?

Eventually the Turks will cause havoc to the Kurds and US will step in
That’s God’s plan, when things get so bad, step in

Humanity will destroy itself, that’s a given


Let him run a campaign the good ol' American way. Right after he settles the dozens of lawsuits waiting for him. Being in charge means you answer for the mistakes that you should have prevented, a little something called accountability. But the whole "sacrificing your kid to yourself to appease your own anger for messing up the antfarm you designed" deal throws accountability right out the window. Thanks to that communion wine, all debts are forgiven. Now get on your knees and kiss the ring.



posted on Oct, 18 2019 @ 08:43 PM
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posted on Oct, 18 2019 @ 11:10 PM
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originally posted by: TzarChasm

originally posted by: Raggedyman
a reply to: TzarChasm
And if God stood over people as you suggest, people would moan and complain the lack of autonomy
You already are

It’s funny, Trump wants out of the messy ME, but so many don’t want out of the ME. Trump wants to let the Kurds self determine, defend.
So what’s right, you want God to baby you? Big boy?

Eventually the Turks will cause havoc to the Kurds and US will step in
That’s God’s plan, when things get so bad, step in

Humanity will destroy itself, that’s a given


Let him run a campaign the good ol' American way. Right after he settles the dozens of lawsuits waiting for him. Being in charge means you answer for the mistakes that you should have prevented, a little something called accountability. But the whole "sacrificing your kid to yourself to appease your own anger for messing up the antfarm you designed" deal throws accountability right out the window. Thanks to that communion wine, all debts are forgiven. Now get on your knees and kiss the ring.


I would expect no less ignorance from you TC
It’s like you have a classic, childs education of Roman Catholicism and still have a child’s view

Younshould be bitter



posted on Oct, 19 2019 @ 12:46 AM
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originally posted by: Raggedyman

originally posted by: TzarChasm

originally posted by: Raggedyman
a reply to: TzarChasm
And if God stood over people as you suggest, people would moan and complain the lack of autonomy
You already are

It’s funny, Trump wants out of the messy ME, but so many don’t want out of the ME. Trump wants to let the Kurds self determine, defend.
So what’s right, you want God to baby you? Big boy?

Eventually the Turks will cause havoc to the Kurds and US will step in
That’s God’s plan, when things get so bad, step in

Humanity will destroy itself, that’s a given


Let him run a campaign the good ol' American way. Right after he settles the dozens of lawsuits waiting for him. Being in charge means you answer for the mistakes that you should have prevented, a little something called accountability. But the whole "sacrificing your kid to yourself to appease your own anger for messing up the antfarm you designed" deal throws accountability right out the window. Thanks to that communion wine, all debts are forgiven. Now get on your knees and kiss the ring.


I would expect no less ignorance from you TC
It’s like you have a classic, childs education of Roman Catholicism and still have a child’s view

Younshould be bitter


It's like you find it easier to ignore my post entirely and just attack my character for lack of an argument.



posted on Oct, 19 2019 @ 01:47 AM
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a reply to: EdgeofParadise
Satan tried to tempt Jesus....but with no success. However, the point was that Satan couldn't have offered to give Jesus the rulership of the world unless rulership of the world already belonged to Satan. And it's noteworthy that Jesus did not dispute that it was Satan's.
The world is under the rule of Satan and once you accept that everything starts to make a lot more sense.
And Satan is waging a war against God's children and it's up to we soldiers of God to try and pull as many from out of the attack as we can.
Beautifully written thread, by the way.





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