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So why did trump pull out of Syria so fast?!?!

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posted on Oct, 15 2019 @ 07:00 PM
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originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: highvein
a reply to: The GUT


People who go to war always make someone rich. I think Trump is ready to destroy Bolton.



Bolton isn't in the WH anymore. He's writing a book about his experience with trump.

www.rawstory.com...


Doesn't matter what he is doing now. An investigation needs to be opened to see, because when someone wants to stay in war, something isn't quite right.




posted on Oct, 15 2019 @ 07:04 PM
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a reply to: JustJohnny

"So fast"?

April 4th, 2018...
www.washingtonpost.com... 1e8-8fd2-49fe3c675a89_story.html

President Trump has instructed military leaders to withdraw U.S. troops from Syria as soon as possible and told them he wants Arab allies to take over and pay for stabilizing and reconstructing areas liberated from the Islamic State, according to senior U.S. officials.

In a meeting with top national security aides Tuesday, Trump backtracked on his public insistence that the troop exit was imminent, now that the militants were “close to 100 percent” defeated. Pressed by the president to tell him how much more time they needed to finish the job, Defense Secretary Jim Mattis and Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Joseph F. Dunford Jr. said it would probably be months, not years, officials said.


December 19, 2018
www.wsj.com...

President Trump ordered a rapid withdrawal of all U.S. military forces from Syria, officials said Wednesday, marking an abrupt shift of the U.S.’s posture in the Middle East.


January 11, 2019
www.usatoday.com...

The U.S. military began the process of withdrawing its troops from Syria following a drawdown ordered by President Donald Trump, a military official said Friday.

Col. Sean Ryan, a spokesman for the U.S.-coalition fighting the Islamic State group in Syria and Iraq, declined to discuss specific operational details of the pullout such as timings and troop movements, but said in an email the withdrawal was underway.


February 22, 2019
www.vox.com...

As recently as December, he had vowed to bring all 2,000 American troops home from Syria — he even tweeted a video of himself announcing the move. But months of backlash from lawmakers in both parties, military leadership, and European allies — plus the potential endangerment of a US-backed force in Syria — apparently led Trump to change his mind.

On Thursday, White House press secretary Sarah Sanders announced that the US would keep 200 troops in the country. Expanding on that during an appearance Friday on Fox & Friends, she said, “At the end of the day the president wants to bring our troops home and he is working towards that and he wants to do that in a safe and peaceful way, in the best way possible, to make sure we have complete safety for our troops abroad.”

But apparently that’s wrong. On Friday, it appeared that 400 troops — not 200 would stay


This appears to be a President saying he'd do something, repeatedly promising it for a year and a half, then doing it. Nothing abrupt or "so fast" about it, but considering how rare it is for prior presidents or any politician to actually do what they said they'd do, I can sympathize with your confusion and conflicted emotions over actually receiving what was promised.



posted on Oct, 15 2019 @ 07:08 PM
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The Pentagon finally recognized that it was not possible to hold onto the area without starting a war with its NATO partner Turkey. On Saturday evening Trump gave the order that all U.S. troops shall leave northeast Syria within 30 days.



Eight days ago U.S. President Donald Trump gave a green light for another Turkish invasion of Syria. We explained why that move made it inevitable for the Kurds to submit to Damascus and to let the Syrian Arab Army back into northeast Syria: While the YPG might want to fight off a Turkish invasion they have little chance to succeed. The land is flat and the YPG forces only have light arms. There is only one solution for them. They will have to call up the Syrian government and ask it to come back into the north east



Although “the Turks gave guarantees to us” that U.S. forces would not be harmed, the official said, Syrian militias allied with them “are running up and down roads, ambushing and attacking vehicles,” putting American ­forces — as well as civilians — in danger even as they withdraw. The militias, known as the Free Syrian Army, “are crazy and not reliable.” Ahhhh. The "Free Syrian Army", which the U.S. built and supplied with an immense amount of weapons to fight the Syrian government, is "crazy and not reliable". How come that all the think tankers and 'journalists' who for years lauded that 'army' never noticed that?

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posted on Oct, 15 2019 @ 07:09 PM
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originally posted by: Willtell
Then why did Trump send thousands of troops to Saudi Arabia?


Because it's paying for itself, unlike our involvement in Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Uganda, Turkey, Yemen, Camaroon, etc, etc, etc. If it makes dollars, it may well make sense.



posted on Oct, 15 2019 @ 07:16 PM
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originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: Willtell
Then why did Trump send thousands of troops to Saudi Arabia?


Because it's paying for itself, unlike our involvement in Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Uganda, Turkey, Yemen, Camaroon, etc, etc, etc. If it makes dollars, it may well make sense.


That's a flimsy excuse.

All the wars pay the MIC

American boys pay with their lives

Your excusing Trump for his hypocrisy and inconsistency

He's just given Russia the power now in Syria.

I'm sure Russia loves Trump!

Russia Moves Into Syrian Territory Abandoned by the U.S. - Buffers Between Turkey and Assad

www.haaretz.com...



posted on Oct, 15 2019 @ 07:24 PM
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originally posted by: Willtell

originally posted by: The GUT
Serious strategy. After Erdogan accused the U.S. of participating in the attempted coup in 2016 Erogan moved closer to Russia.

Now Erdogan and Russia are at odds and the EU and others are starting to take some responsibility for their concerns in the M.E.

Endless wars make no sense and only produce the terrorist mindset through "blowback."

Remember how well we helped the Libyan peoples by our intervention? Yeah, I don't either.


Then why did Trump send thousands of troops to Saudi Arabia?

I guess people want to forget that

So Trump's justification about getting our troops out of wars won't wash


I don't approve of moving troops into SA and most Trump supporters here have also disapproved from what I've read. If you want to remain ignorant and perpetuate lies, feel free. Nobody takes you seriously anyway Chicken Little.

So for the record, so we can jam it down your throat in a few months when you change your tune, you support American troops invading sovereign nations and taking up residence? You must have loved the invasion of Iraq. I imagine you wearing a red, white, and blue bandana, while chugging Pabst from a funnel in celebration as the tanks rolled into Baghdad.



posted on Oct, 15 2019 @ 07:25 PM
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originally posted by: highvein

originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: highvein
a reply to: The GUT


People who go to war always make someone rich. I think Trump is ready to destroy Bolton.



Bolton isn't in the WH anymore. He's writing a book about his experience with trump.

www.rawstory.com...


Doesn't matter what he is doing now. An investigation needs to be opened to see, because when someone wants to stay in war, something isn't quite right.




Americans gave been in perpetual war since WW2, the reason being selling weapons of war and using those weapons makes for perpetual profiteering, also the need to remain top predator in a geopolitical landscape.

The hard sell that trump is going to end these endless wars is just fluff to sell the gullible.



posted on Oct, 15 2019 @ 07:30 PM
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a reply to: JustJohnny

Because Turkey was going to attack and US soldiers would have been killed.

I guess you would have liked that so you could blame Trump for not moving them.



posted on Oct, 15 2019 @ 07:32 PM
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a reply to: Willtell

You're seemingly stuck 40 years in the past when we were elbow deep in the Cold War and actually had reasons to care about what ass-backwards lands Russia held and sought to gain power and influence in. That war is over, Old Timer, you can rest easy now knowing that Glasnost and the Reagan Doctrine ended the period of this country's military history in which we do all we could to stop the red menace from counting coup in the 3rd world. That said, there is something for you to fear! The same ethos you're so terrified of even now, 3 decades after it collapsed, is seeking footholds in this very country. If you're still terrified of the Communist manifesto taking Syria, then I can only assume you're horrified at the fact that the opponents of the man you so irrationally hate are openly socialists and looking to enact Soviet style socialism into the USA.

Oh, and for whatever it's worth, the Saudis have signed a contract to directly compensate the US government for US military involvement in this new action. It isn't just a case of feeding the MIC... and, if it was, then I would think the withdraw from Syria would cost the MIC a pretty penny, ya? Sort of shoots some big, Cold War era sized holes in your theory.



posted on Oct, 15 2019 @ 07:33 PM
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a reply to: burdman30ott6
Excellent post. S&F



posted on Oct, 15 2019 @ 07:35 PM
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originally posted by: Ksihkehe
I don't approve of moving troops into SA and most Trump supporters here have also disapproved from what I've read.


Since I started here I've been an outlier on this topic. I'm perfectly fine with war, so long as we either claim spoils, get paid for it, or kick asses so soundly and thoroughly that the target turns out like Japan... terrified for generations to so much as say "boo" to the United States.



posted on Oct, 15 2019 @ 07:43 PM
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originally posted by: JustJohnny

Trump is taking a lot of crap after turkey attacked the Kurds the second he withdrew. So why did he do it , especially when he did it???


1) This isn’t a specific topic I have been all over, but I wonder if it is not something petty like....


Bolton was a big “pro-Syrian involvement“ guy, and Bolton pissed him off..so he pulled out to spite Bolton specifically.. ...

I’m not sure it was Bolton specifically, you might can fill I the blank with whatever person he hired and fired..

2) to distract from the impeachment stuff... just to change the narrative...

3) someone told him the Syrian people did not like him.. lol crazy, but I can see it..

4) russia told him to.


Trump just tells lies, his grandiolousy beggars belief just like the Wizard of Oz, (not a new comparison)
there are a reported 18 US camps and a couple of air bases in Syria, Putin may well have made the suggestion. they, (the Russians) will go in and guard the North border...er, that's what we are now hearing in fact, while Putin at this time is getting a right royal reception in Saudi.
My guess though is that US troop trainers will still not be so far away, there is also no word about CIA..etc

So, what? number two, is spot on as far as Trump would be concerned, Erdoğan of Turkey fame, is probably fecked as well, since they wanted to kill those Kurds who really did give so much in Syria, regardless of anything that went before, while Erdoğan also, has domestic woes.

It is a mess, but the only, 'winner' I see at the end of the day thus far, is Russia, helped by Turkey and the USA...mostly because the latter have psychotics in charge.

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posted on Oct, 15 2019 @ 07:54 PM
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Because the Islamic State has been defeated, mostly at the hands of the Syrians and her Iranian and Russian allies. Plus there was no reason for them to be there in the first place. They were uninvited and most unwelcome by the Syrian Government.



posted on Oct, 15 2019 @ 08:42 PM
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originally posted by: burdman30ott6

This appears to be a President saying he'd do something, repeatedly promising it for a year and a half, then doing it. Nothing abrupt or "so fast" about it, but considering how rare it is for prior presidents or any politician to actually do what they said they'd do, I can sympathize with your confusion and conflicted emotions over actually receiving what was promised.


Perhaps, however a strategy had to be organised in a coherent fashion...not by Trump of course, but by Putin..and other international partners...with some playing with the actors involved.. hence,

'Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan told Trump on October 6 that he would go ahead with a planned military operation in the region, where the US's Kurdish allies had been fighting the terrorist group ISIS.
Trump announced a US troop withdrawal from the region shortly afterward. Even Erdogan was surprised by how quickly Trump made that decision, Axios reported.'
www.businessinsider.com...

Yuh see, a phone call is all it takes, and for an idiot like Trump to make such a call, is so Trumputinishmentalism.
In addition, the Kurds may now be seeking help from the Assad government, and only an idiot would not have some sympathy with that.
After that, it seems the UK has now, 'suspended' arms to Turkey, as wimpish, as the term, 'suspended' can be considered, in a protest against Turkey's government.

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posted on Oct, 15 2019 @ 08:45 PM
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a reply to: Willtell
Actually they only moved into the manbij area of operation. They were just outside that area since last year. I even have video on is in one of my threads where US and Russian flags were within visible range of each other, with us operators meeting their Syrian counterparts.

I know you wish the headlines to be true, but as of today, American Marines and coalition aircraft are the only government that have bombed and killed over 100 Russian PMC's Inside Syria. I also covered that in a thread. I never get an explanation as to how that plays Into Putin's puppet narrative, it just gets met with silence and ignored.

Could you explain how it plays into that narrative??? Visit my thread from February 2018, watch the video I posted with testimony from Wagner PMC's lamenting g the loss of their peers and general mattis's testimony in the Senate on ordering the successfull destruction of that assault force. Mind you, Russia threw their own guys under the bus, as their was ongoing dialogue on the deconfliction line.



posted on Oct, 15 2019 @ 08:58 PM
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Technically the American forces deployed to KSA are not there under any war directive. We just reinforcing previously fortified positions in a defensive nature against future potential threat from Iran. Not unlike those already stationed in Poland or Germany against historically potential Soviet/Russian threats or in Japan against Soviet/communist China threats.

So it's still fits the bill under promises kept in my eyes.

The problem with turkey, as I warned last year in this thread, is that they have joined the club of global military powers with proven force projection. They now rivals France in that regard, the leader has also recently threatened to open the floodgates of refugees i to Europe, precisely as I warned last year. Of course refugees is a euphemism for radicalized jihadist fighters in sleeper cells ready to carry out terrorism.

People ought to read more on here from those of us who actually diligently study the areas discussed.

The op is only concerned of course from the perspective of how this could be framed to make POTUS look bad, and would gladly spit and dance on the graves of the civilians killed, with glee, just to say Orange man bad.

It's ok, the temporary just johnny account should only have a posting future of four months or so. It's already being replaced with new distractions in preparation for the phase out, like dozens that have preceded it.
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posted on Oct, 15 2019 @ 09:06 PM
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So why did trump pull out of Syria so fast?!?!


Because he wanted to try and control the 24 hour news cycle that had been preoccupied with his offical unofficial impeachment inquiry?

Than again

Trump wants to 'get out' of Syria, but US military and national security advisors say ISIS isn't defeated yet - Published 5:24 PM ET Tue, 3 April 2018

I really wouldn't call a year and a half long pursuit as happening "so fast". Maybe more like a mild walk rather than a sprint.
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posted on Oct, 15 2019 @ 09:06 PM
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a reply to: JustJohnny

I'm sure there's plenty to it but the underlying theme of his administration, especially now, is no major conflicts with anyone except terrorists that the existing archetecture is there for in the Middle East and Asia. No U.S. lives lost if possible, no operations anywhere outside of ISIS who we were fighting already that we hear about really.

For a number of possible reasons or many at the same time, who knows lets argue over guesses that may be wrong as usual but.. his political fights at home with the opposition are too big as it is, or shall we say the checks and balances are too close to each other numerically, despite it presenting itself as dramatic soap opera. Being presented as by MSM backed by billions or billionaires at least with interests sounds about right. The people who foot the bill beyond advertisement profits.

*squeezes the the sickly sweet, too rich icing out*

It's also the fall of the year prior to re-election with impeachment that'll probably never happen # on front page everywhere.
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posted on Oct, 15 2019 @ 09:16 PM
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It is only my personal opinion… but removing the upwards of 2,000 Advisors and Special Forces American troops (uninvited into Syrian lands) was to reposition the American Troops to a safer zone in the middle east


the hasty repositioning of troops to Saudi Arabia from their invasion-force status in Syria (Albiet, stationed in NE Syria to train/support Kurdish forces in detaining IS/AQ Jihadist-Terrorists and protecting Kurdish populations in various NE Syrian territory)


imho, there was no 4D strategies being played out in the sudden USA troop movements...Trump fell into a replay of the Obama skrew-up which led up to the creation of IS/ISIS itself from a rag-tag remnant of AQ fighters with no shoes nor HumVees/APCs up until the power vacuum created by the Obama pull-out



posted on Oct, 15 2019 @ 09:23 PM
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originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: Ksihkehe
I don't approve of moving troops into SA and most Trump supporters here have also disapproved from what I've read.


Since I started here I've been an outlier on this topic. I'm perfectly fine with war, so long as we either claim spoils, get paid for it, or kick asses so soundly and thoroughly that the target turns out like Japan... terrified for generations to so much as say "boo" to the United States.


Well, I'll eagerly await my spoils check in the coming months and if I don't get one I'll resume believing that the money isn't helping me or anyone I know. If they want to start putting that money into the VA, securing our border, or paying our debt down, I'd be willing to reconsider.

I'm sure we could have a long lively debate on it. I suspect you probably have a much more refined view on it than what you're letting on here as do I.




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