What the left believes versus what the right believes

Such a sad state of affairs, but in human nature lies conflict I guess. But it's not very effective and even less sustainable.
It's obvious we need something better, but the real question will be do we deserve something better?

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: dragonridr

The only thing Nazism has in common with socialism is both are authoritarian.

wrong nazis were born out of socialism. In fact made it easier for Hitler to take power. When you give all the power to the government makes it easier for a dictator to take over. As far as differences there were not that many Strasserite National Socialism still hated jews for example. It just was not hostile to Jews from a racial, cultural or religious perspective, but from an economic basis, But they still believed jews needed to be removed from Germany. Many of the things you believe different were just semantics.

PS we see something similar today being rich has become evil and needs to be eradicated.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: Zanti Misfit

Didn't you say previously that the left is communist? If so, how is it that they believe in nothing?

Concerning America , they Believe like Communism , in it's Destruction if Nothing Less ....

originally posted by: dfnj2015

originally posted by: recrisp
"I don't think people on the left have the "my way or the highway" mentality as strong as the people on the right do."

I stopped reading right there...

I don't know what you are talking about. Democrats are notorious for not having any backbone and capitulating with Republicans.

Dude, stop it, you're killing me!!! Rotflmao !!!!!
Wait...

originally posted by: spiritualarchitect
So does that standard American English definition mean that AOC and her ilk are not just socialist – not just Nazis and Commies - but that they are Fascist too?

Bingo!

one side believes the others are nazis, I hear that 'insult' thrown at both sides, maybe less exaggeration is required by both sides as neither side is responsible for the death by toture of 6million people, its time to have some morales in ones own behaviour, dont repeat the behaviour of your deemed opposition, show that compromise can be found, sit at the table and talk, if unsuccesful, do it again and again and again, no one will win anything by civil war or conflict

America you can do it, no matter how low you deem the opposition goes, your response should always be elevated, dont find a way to go lower.

If anything should be showing right now is Bush and Ellen, who gives a snip what idiot we tick a box for, if I live next door to you, you are welcome in my home regardless (or is that irregardless ), we all live in a community, except for........the politicians who hide behind security and fences all while destabilising communities with useless rhetoric.

a reply to: Masterjaden

Except for the waves of laws being reevaluated and others being introduced and passed due to their "personal beliefs" - if they're so personal, why do we all have to know about them and abide by them?

They are also the party of "if you aren't doing anything wrong, you have nothing to hide" as they pass laws infringing on privacy rights.

originally posted by: dfnj2015
If Marx brings up powerful and succinct criticisms of laissez faire capitalism,

Make a thread, if you can...

why does the right not listen at all to what he is saying instead of just engaging in character assassination of the author. Who cares who said? If what Marx is saying is right what difference does it make.

Like I said, make a thread comparing the two...

Hint: just because the term laissez faire capitalism was defined a long time ago doesn't mean the concept cannot be tweaked to prevent some of the real potential issues (like monopolies).

One problem is the use/abuse of the patent system. That really needs to be fixed. 20 years should mean 20 years. No more extending these indefinitely by abusing the system.

Also, most monopolies gain and maintain their position through the use of government regulations being imposed that make it (nearly) impossible for small competitors to even get started, let alone actually compete.

Understanding what is wrong with laissez faire capitalism is a completely different discussion than what public policies we should have to address it. I wish you were capable enough to see the distinction I am making.

But... you haven't.

Discuss it. What are the problems with laissez faire capitalism (as you understand it)?

I added that 'as you understand it above, because more than likely your understanding is extremely flawed.

Why do I say that? Maybe because of this ridiculous little tidbit of yours:

The right believes in anarchy, laissez faire capitalism, exploitation of workers, gouging consumers, freedom from consumer protections laws, and paying politicians to pass laws preventing competition in order to have monopolies and cartels.

There is so much wrong with this it just isn't even worth trying to fix.

Said another way... your assertion is flat out wrong.

The left believes government has a role in regulating businesses and ensuring free-markets, protecting consumers, protecting workers rights with public policies, and tempering the excesses and inequalities created by laissez faire capitalism.

There is so much wrong with this it just isn't even worth trying to fix.

Said another way... You're describing 'liberals' here, certainly not the left.

This is kind of the point of the whole thread. With you way of thinking there is no compromise and nothing is to be done. I think government has a role to play but I am not advocating the elimination of private property. It's always one or the other with you people.

Yeah, you're not advocating for the abolition of private property. You just want to dictate how and what we can do with our personal property.

Republicans do not like being called racist facist sympathizers.

Yeah... maybe because pretty much all of them actually aren't.

They way I understand your post is this. Stop having a point of view different than my right wing way of thinking and we will be nice to you. It's YOUR way or the highway. QED.

The hilarious thing is, you can't even see that what you are describing is actually the left.

Rotflmao!

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: Zanti Misfit

Didn't you say previously that the left is communist? If so, how is it that they believe in nothing?

Concerning America , they Believe like Communism , in it's Destruction if Nothing Less ....

So "they" do believe in something ... Just not what "you" believe? You know what the punch line is in this joke?

"They" believe the same things about "you."

originally posted by: dothedew
a reply to: Masterjaden

They are also the party of "if you aren't doing anything wrong, you have nothing to hide" as they pass laws infringing on privacy rights.

What laws do you have in mind?

originally posted by: dfnj2015

originally posted by: odzeandennz
a reply to: dfnj2015

Left = evil

Right = good.

There are many people who vote for Democrats who believe in God. I'm tired of Republicans claiming God is evil.

God is love. Love is blind. Ray Charles is blind. Ray Charles is therefore God.

That's your logic on this statement in a nutshell.

Democrat believes in God. Democrats believes in socialism. Socialism is evil. God is evil.

Same type of thing.

originally posted by: pexx421
a reply to: spiritualarchitect

Well, North Korea is not democratic, even though they claim to be. Socialism has a specific definition, and it refers specifically to workers themselves owning or controlling the means of production. So if that’s not happening, no matter what they call themselves, they are not socialist. So, no, Germany was not socialist, Russia is not socialist, China is not socialist, and sanders is not socialist. Nor is aoc.

Ah ... yes, the old "it's not true socialism because they aren't doing it right" defense. So we can ignore the failure of this or that socialist state or system.

a reply to: ketsuko

1.Do you think that Democrats don't believe in God?

2. Your syllogism is not what dfnj2015 said. You've rephrased it.

3. I think you're aware that many even in this thread regularly suggest that Democrats, liberals, etc. are god-haters.

a reply to: ketsuko

It's simply a fact. There has never been a pure socialist system or a pure communist one. Closest thing to a pure market is probably a prison economy.

The poster was not claiming to be able to ignore anything in my reading.

a reply to: proximo

Once upon a time perhaps ...

These days, there is too much government intervention for all kinds of reasons. Too much picking winners and losers on behest of lobbyists on the one hand and preferred political agendas like climate change for one example. Too much regulation to save people from themselves or to try to enforce preferred social behaviors on the population (sin taxes for one example).

Whatever we have, it's far less of a free market than it needs to be to truly be capitalist in the sense most who hate it think it is.

a reply to: dfnj2015

The most ironic thing;

The left;

You disagree, you are the ALT-Right.

No?

a reply to: Gryphon66

There never has been and there never will be.

Human nature makes it impossible on the scale one would need for a nation. It strains the bounds of possibility on a family scale.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Gryphon66

There never has been and there never will be.

Human nature makes it impossible on the scale one would need for a nation. It strains the bounds of possibility on a family scale.

I believe that we agree.

Isn't that one of the Signs of the Apocalypse? (LOL)

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: ketsuko

1.Do you think that Democrats don't believe in God?

2. Your syllogism is not what dfnj2015 said. You've rephrased it.

3. I think you're aware that many even in this thread regularly suggest that Democrats, liberals, etc. are god-haters.

I didn't say that. The poster I replied to did.

There are Christian denominations who tell each other they don't believe in God over points of theology. The poster in question makes it seem like Democrats are somehow special in this. However, there are plenty of more leftist posters who regularly attack conservatives who do not believe in more of a liberation theology bent by saying we are not Christian.

What goes around comes around, no?

My belief is that God is neither and does not take sides. Jesus is neither either.

What a person chooses to think is correct is a personal thing.

Well it’s not really left versus right any longer. The current political climate has very little to do with actual conservative or liberal policies. The “right” of today agree with literally anything Trump does regardless of their values. That tax cut Trump passed was in no way fiscally responsible because there were no offsetting spending cuts. But you don’t here anyone on the “right” up in arms about it do you? Nope, all you hear is how amazing those tax cuts are!

If Obama has done the same thing, the exact same thing he would be criticized to no end for out of control spending.

The right has few if any values any more, now it is a cult of personality.