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Can the Sun explain global warming?

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posted on Oct, 14 2019 @ 10:02 PM
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originally posted by: Robinoz
Global warming is almost minimal at 0.16 of a degree in the last couple of decades.

Could you give your source for this please.




posted on Oct, 14 2019 @ 10:26 PM
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a reply to: Nathan-D

The sun is pretty hot and bright. Probably has something to do with warming or lack of warming here on planet earth. Among other things no doubt.



posted on Oct, 14 2019 @ 10:46 PM
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a reply to: smurfy
Wow you guys are some old folk. Should not be that hard to tell if the sun is increasing in output or decreasing. Just go out, look up. And try to remember what it was like when you were a kid. More people should do it.

But now a days, thankfully we got all kids of data and stuff and charts and graphs, telling people what to see when they look up. After all, how else would they know if the globe is warming or not.

And speaking of old.

How many remember a time in there great great great grandfathers time, when the moon was not in the sky? Read more then a few discourse in old books by plato and others that refer to such a thing. But! Lets face it, human kind only remembers things in 4 year cycles at best, if even that, and data is easily manipulated.

So whats true and whats false, is but a pre conditioned response.

It was true then, and it is true now. That truth of things are just a pre conditioned response.

Maybe the old greeks were wrong and just superstition got involved, after all what did they know, there whole lifes depended on the moon and the sun from crops to sea navigation it was a life and death thing, but they were technically just cavemen according to our current histories.

Or maybe, there really was a time many thousands of years before plato and socrate when there really was no moon in the sky, and the history we have today is just a fabrication...Oh conspiracy.
There was a time when the moon did not exist



posted on Oct, 14 2019 @ 11:58 PM
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originally posted by: galadofwarthethird
a reply to: smurfy
Wow you guys are some old folk. Should not be that hard to tell if the sun is increasing in output or decreasing. Just go out, look up. And try to remember what it was like when you were a kid. More people should do it.
That doesn't sound reliable. People have declining vision with age, so things look differently with age even if what we are looking at hasn't changed. Something more reliable than human perception is needed to determine if the sun's output is changing over time.


Or maybe, there really was a time many thousands of years before plato and socrate when there really was no moon in the sky, and the history we have today is just a fabrication...Oh conspiracy.
There was a time when the moon did not exist
Can't believe everything you hear. Moon rocks have been dated to 3-4.4 billion years old. Depending on what you want to define as human, what's the longest humans have been around? Whatever time you come up with it's far less than that.

Maybe the moon formed 4.5 billion years ago and the Earth formed 4.55 billion years ago, so maybe there was no moon from 4.55 to 4.50 billion years ago or so, but chances are no creatures on Earth were alive to see that. Life might have started on Earth about 4.1 billion years ago, with simple organisms, about 400 million years after the moon formed.



posted on Oct, 15 2019 @ 12:08 AM
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a reply to: Nathan-D

Cold spells like the Dalton and Maunder minimum, and all the other minimums seem to coincide with the drop in sunspot activity, but when you look at the watts per square meter falling on the Earth the actual radiance doesn't seem to change enough to cause the cooling. A new model seems to suggest that the pressure put on the atmosphere during a Solar maximum tightens up the Polar vortex, and stops the polar cold coming down over the country. Whereas during a minimum , the pressure decreases and the polar vortex starts wondering south bringing intense cold from the colder regions like they are doing now. The lower the minimum the more it wanders. Changing rainfall and snowfall patterns and crop growing areas. These spells are game changers.



posted on Oct, 15 2019 @ 12:24 AM
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a reply to: Arbitrageur
Dude relax. Reality is what you make of it. Or what is shown to you. One of those two, and plenty more.

But for the majority its the second.

As for moon rocks, ya plenty of those out there, and the question is not whats the longest humans have been around, its what the longest you have read or been told that humans have been around? If you profess to know what and how things happened 5 billion years ago, yet are oblivious to the things going on around you every single day and forget on a global scale on a town scale or even a day to day scale.

What can I say.


Dont worry about those old and dead Greeks, its something that was written in some old books, could have been stories, in fact were stories. Cant even find them anymore. They to thought they knew the secrets of the universe and how everything came to be. I am merely saying that life is much more funnier then that.
Moon rocks



posted on Oct, 15 2019 @ 12:30 AM
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I never heard the sun talk so I doubt if it can explain global warming.

I know the sun is a pretty bright individual but it still cannot talk.
edit on 15-10-2019 by rickymouse because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 15 2019 @ 01:09 AM
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a reply to: galadofwarthethird
I see some people lost in a sea of ignorance because they believe crap instead of doing some research to get to the truth. That link you posted is just ridiculous.

Here's a much better link that will hopefully enlighten you on this one topic, though I think it's probably not possible you'll ever appreciate the chronology of the Earth, moon and evolution if you prefer fables over scientific evidence.

usatoday30.usatoday.com...

Apollo 11 gift rocks typically weigh just 0.05 grams, scarcely more than a grain of rice. The Apollo 17 gift rocks weigh about 1.1 grams. Both are encased in plastic globes to protect them and ease viewing.
So Drees, who is hard of hearing, gets an 89 gram rock and thinks it's a moon rock? His grandson thinks Drees probably got a false impression since he couldn't hear well, and the inscription doesn't say it was a moon rock, and if it was it would be many times larger than the moon rocks give to other countries so obviously it wasn't a moon rocks nor did the inscription claim it was a moon rock.


it weighed a whopping 89 grams (3.1 ounces). In addition, its gold-colored cardboard plaque does not describe it as a moon rock.

The U.S. ambassador gave Drees the rock during an Oct. 9, 1969 visit by the Apollo 11 astronauts to the Netherlands. Drees's grandson, also named Willem, told the AP his grandfather had been out of office for more than a decade and was nearly deaf and blind in 1969, though his mind was still sharp.

"My guess is that he did not hear well what was said," said the grandson. "He may have formed his own idea about what it was."
So "its gold-colored cardboard plaque does not describe it as a moon rock"!! Why do people want to take the misinterpretation of someone who's practically deaf and blind about what it's supposed to be over the inscription.

The museum didn't vet the rock, they asked NASA if it could be a moon rocks and NASA said maybe but they couldn't confirm it without seeing it.


The Amsterdam case appears to be not fraud but the result of poor vetting by the Rijksmuseum.

Spokeswoman Xandra van Gelder said the museum checked with NASA after receiving the rock in 1992 from the estate of the late Prime Minister Willem Drees. NASA told the museum, without seeing it, that it was "possible" it was a moon rock...

The family never thought to question the story before donating the rock, to which it had not attached great importance or monetary value.
Got a clearer picture now, or are you still fooled by the silly link you posted?



posted on Oct, 15 2019 @ 01:35 AM
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This chart show an effect of climate change on the earth, not a cause of it.

Context is everything.



posted on Oct, 15 2019 @ 02:16 PM
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originally posted by: Robinoz
Global warming is almost minimal at 0.16 of a degree in the last couple of decades.


I was hoping you might provide your source for this.

According to the Latest Global Average Tropospheric Temperatures it rose by +0.61 degree. C between 1979 and 2019.



Since 1979, NOAA satellites have been carrying instruments which measure the natural microwave thermal emissions from oxygen in the atmosphere. The intensity of the signals these microwave radiometers measure at different microwave frequencies is directly proportional to the temperature of different, deep layers of the atmosphere. Every month, John Christy and I update global temperature datasets that represent the piecing together of the temperature data from a total of fifteen instruments flying on different satellites over the years.

edit on 15-10-2019 by EvilAxis because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 15 2019 @ 10:03 PM
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a reply to: Arbitrageur
HUH?

Not sure what your getting at. If or not the rock was a real moon rock. Matters not one iota. As it was not a rock.

I am not to overly preoccupied with the moon, or if, or not, humans went there.

Lets just wait around till the next time we go up there to get some moon rocks, then you guys can compare and contrast.



posted on Oct, 25 2019 @ 03:20 AM
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Lets clear up a couple of things:

It is true that the Sun radiates and warms the Earth. But you have to realise that the atmosphere and it's properties ultimately control how much of the heat from the Sun is retained. At least to me that is common knowledge. Planets or even moons without atmospheres are broiling hot on the day side and extremely cold on the night side. And different kinds of atmospheres on other planets result in different kinds of mean temperatures and temperature variations.


At least in my country that is taught in just grade school.

Edit: and the distance from the Sun of course plays a role, but that can be taken into account since we have a moon without an atmosphere just beside us and we know the wattage of solar radiation at our (moon included) point in Solar System and what temperatures that leads up to. So the change in solar radiation can be approximately calculated to any other point in solar system.


edit on 25102019 by Lithops because: Added note about solar distance.




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