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Trump’s resistance to the impeachment inquiry is a genuine constitutional crisis

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posted on Oct, 10 2019 @ 01:17 PM
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Here’s how bad things can get if Trump keeps stonewalling impeachment.


www.vox.com...


White House Counsel Pat Cipollone sent an eight-page-long middle finger to House Democratic leaders on Tuesday, pledging resistance to the impeachment inquiry into President Trump. As a legal matter, Cipollone’s letter is nonsense. Several court decisions make it clear that the White House is not above the law. Executive privilege is real, and it sometimes prevents some inquiries into presidential behavior, but it is not an absolute privilege — especially in the context of a criminal investigation.


I don't know a single lawyer who would sign their name to that drivel. Cipollone signed the end of his legal career when he signed that letter. A first year law student could pick this argument apart in about 20 seconds, and it looks like the whole effort was designed to make sure that Trump's legal arguments are invalid.

Is Cipollone doing this on purpose?

Don't know, but this is the worst constitutional legal argument I have ever seen.

Maybe Cipollone is working for us, the American people, by putting out an argument that can be shot down by a 4th grader?

This is the deep state.




posted on Oct, 10 2019 @ 01:22 PM
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a reply to: HanyManny

So, the argument isn't about how the impeachment inquiry isn't legit because The House hasn't held a vote, or doesn't have subpoena enforcement authority. It's simply that the president can't be investigated, because he's above the law? Impeachment itself is unconstitutional, now? LOL



posted on Oct, 10 2019 @ 01:22 PM
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originally posted by: HanyManny

Here’s how bad things can get if Trump keeps stonewalling impeachment.


www.vox.com...


White House Counsel Pat Cipollone sent an eight-page-long middle finger to House Democratic leaders on Tuesday, pledging resistance to the impeachment inquiry into President Trump. As a legal matter, Cipollone’s letter is nonsense. Several court decisions make it clear that the White House is not above the law. Executive privilege is real, and it sometimes prevents some inquiries into presidential behavior, but it is not an absolute privilege — especially in the context of a criminal investigation.


I don't know a single lawyer who would sign their name to that drivel. Cipollone signed the end of his legal career when he signed that letter. A first year law student could pick this argument apart in about 20 seconds, and it looks like the whole effort was designed to make sure that Trump's legal arguments are invalid.

Is Cipollone doing this on purpose?

Don't know, but this is the worst constitutional legal argument I have ever seen.

Maybe Cipollone is working for us, the American people, by putting out an argument that can be shot down by a 4th grader?

This is the deep state.


Hanny Manny - you are so silly.



posted on Oct, 10 2019 @ 01:24 PM
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Trump’s resistance to the impeachment inquiry is a genuine constitutional crisis


Someone is investigating the President of the United States in what he feels is a bogus witch hunt, and in your opinion he should just roll over and play dead?

Get a grip, you'd fight someone trying to get you fired or thrown in jail. Trump has the same right to do that too.



posted on Oct, 10 2019 @ 01:24 PM
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a reply to: HanyManny

You've already proven that you can't substantiate your own arguments in this matter, so I'm not sure why you're posting another thread about it.

It's the same reason that Congress still doesn't have Trump's tax returns or the unredacted versions of Mueller's report. They're not entitled to everything they want and ask for....due to law.



posted on Oct, 10 2019 @ 01:27 PM
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originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: HanyManny

So, the argument isn't about how the impeachment inquiry isn't legit because The House hasn't held a vote, or doesn't have subpoena enforcement authority. It's simply that the president can't be investigated, because he's above the law? Impeachment itself is unconstitutional, now? LOL





Guess that is what Trump supporters want your to think.


Constitutional provisions The House of Representatives ... shall have the sole Power of Impeachment. — Article I, Section 2, Clause 5


en.wikipedia.org...

But never mind about that pesky constitution. The Trump supporters want to do something else.

Good Americans?

Think not.

Thank god that our founders put a legal remedy into our constitution so save us from lawless tyrants who are criminal.

Let the system work, And god bless the United States.
edit on 10-10-2019 by HanyManny because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 10 2019 @ 01:27 PM
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originally posted by: HanyManny

Here’s how bad things can get if Trump keeps stonewalling impeachment.


www.vox.com...


White House Counsel Pat Cipollone sent an eight-page-long middle finger to House Democratic leaders on Tuesday, pledging resistance to the impeachment inquiry into President Trump. As a legal matter, Cipollone’s letter is nonsense. Several court decisions make it clear that the White House is not above the law. Executive privilege is real, and it sometimes prevents some inquiries into presidential behavior, but it is not an absolute privilege — especially in the context of a criminal investigation.




Consider this my one sentence middle finger to your post.



posted on Oct, 10 2019 @ 01:29 PM
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posted on Oct, 10 2019 @ 01:29 PM
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a reply to: HanyManny

What's funny is that when you go through the case law cited on that letter, some of it doesn't support their case at all. Two citations (if I remember correctly) were overturned leading to an exact opposite ruling.

Once you read through all of it and the citations it just leaves you with one question... WTF?

Lol



posted on Oct, 10 2019 @ 01:31 PM
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a reply to: HanyManny

so tell the turth Uncletomahawk

where did the MAGA hat touch you??😲😲



posted on Oct, 10 2019 @ 01:31 PM
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originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: HanyManny

So, the argument isn't about how the impeachment inquiry isn't legit because The House hasn't held a vote, or doesn't have subpoena enforcement authority. It's simply that the president can't be investigated, because he's above the law? Impeachment itself is unconstitutional, now? LOL





Pretty much. Lol.

Every excuse they make falls apart the second its looked at. It's really astonishing how incompetent Donald Trump and his whole administration is.




posted on Oct, 10 2019 @ 01:33 PM
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Every body here is a trump supporter. They would let him have sex with their wife if it put 20 bucks into their bank acct...

They do not care about the constitution or the integrity of the of the office.

You know... they will say all you do is post anti trump but then they will pat each others backs on every anti dem thread posted by the same dude daily.

Pocahontas will spew her facts with no links but demand you post yours...

But keep it. trump is a POS and we all know it.



posted on Oct, 10 2019 @ 01:34 PM
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originally posted by: HanyManny

Here’s how bad things can get if Trump keeps stonewalling impeachment.

I don't know a single lawyer who would sign their name to that drivel. Cipollone signed the end of his legal career when he signed that letter. A first year law student could pick this argument apart in about 20 seconds, and it looks like the whole effort was designed to make sure that Trump's legal arguments are invalid.


You don't know a lot of lawyers then. Even if he hypothetically gets a felony out of this, he'll still be able to practice law afterward. A felony does not stop an attorney from practicing law. He may get temporary housing for a couple of years.

I am always surprised when people are shocked just how dirty the law and attorneys really are.

For comparison, imagine going to a surgeon or a psychiatrist that still practices after a felony.




edit on 10-10-2019 by Oraculi because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 10 2019 @ 01:34 PM
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originally posted by: underwerks

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: HanyManny

So, the argument isn't about how the impeachment inquiry isn't legit because The House hasn't held a vote, or doesn't have subpoena enforcement authority. It's simply that the president can't be investigated, because he's above the law? Impeachment itself is unconstitutional, now? LOL





Pretty much. Lol.

Every excuse they make falls apart the second its looked at. It's really astonishing how incompetent Donald Trump and his whole administration is.



Your hate has clouded your judgement and made you unable see the truth.

I will pray for you.



posted on Oct, 10 2019 @ 01:34 PM
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The first act was the 1973 Senate Watergate hearings that riveted the nation with witnesses such as John Dean talking about “a cancer growing on the presidency”. That was when Nixon’s approval ratings collapsed from 68% in the Gallup poll in January 1973 to less than half by that August.

The curtain rose on the second act a year later as the House judiciary committee approved impeachment with seven Republicans supporting at least one of the articles. Nixon’s determination to never give in crumpled with the release of the “smoking gun” tape in early August 1974 that prompted Republican leaders such as Barry Goldwater to ask him to resign.

In contrast, House Democrats are rushing forward with impeachment without the equivalent of the Senate Watergate hearings. Neither the showboating House intelligence committee chairman, Adam Schiff, nor the uninspiring judiciary chairman, Jerry Nadler, has displayed the skill to orchestrate a compelling public hearing.

Stonewalling Congress may be no more effective for Trump than it was for Nixon

Pretty accurate observation, innit?



posted on Oct, 10 2019 @ 01:35 PM
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a reply to: hyperlexic

Aww, bless your heart.




posted on Oct, 10 2019 @ 01:39 PM
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originally posted by: LanceCorvette



Trump’s resistance to the impeachment inquiry is a genuine constitutional crisis


Someone is investigating the President of the United States in what he feels is a bogus witch hunt, and in your opinion he should just roll over and play dead?

Get a grip, you'd fight someone trying to get you fired or thrown in jail. Trump has the same right to do that too.

If he has nothing to hide why fight so hard? Why are people even defending him?
Obama showed his birth certificate when Republican fantasists cried, Bill Clinton didn't have Monica Lewinsky killed.
Its a conspiracy theory forum not an ultra-conservative circle jerk.



posted on Oct, 10 2019 @ 01:41 PM
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a reply to: HanyManny

Jesus sport, are you trying to make Bonus this week? three threads and I won't be reading any of them because the author is clueless.



posted on Oct, 10 2019 @ 01:43 PM
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a reply to: contextual


If he has nothing to hide why fight so hard?


With all the Democrats sacrificing babies to Moloch in an attempt to smear Gods chosen one, Donald Trump, they have to fight back somehow.

To do nothing would be to let the lizard people win.



posted on Oct, 10 2019 @ 01:44 PM
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Trump’s legal position appears to be that no one in his administration is under any obligation to cooperate with anyone investigating whether Trump violated the law: he has made such sweeping claims of immunity to investigation that a federal judge recently described his arguments as “repugnant to the nation’s governmental structure and constitutional values.”


www.vox.com...

Ahhh, The times they are a changing...



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