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Trump’s Stonewalling of Impeachment Inquiry Is an Impeachable Offense

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posted on Oct, 10 2019 @ 11:54 AM
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a reply to: toolgal462




The legal process for impeachment has not been followed by Pelosi and the House.


Citation please. Just saying it over and over doesn't make it true.

Trump under an impeachment inquiry in the House of Representative. That's a fact.




posted on Oct, 10 2019 @ 11:56 AM
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originally posted by: shooterbrody

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: shooterbrody

Shortly after the Judicial Committee received information about the whistle blower complaint, when Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi, announced and explained that the House was officially conducting impeachment inquiries in various committees, and that she authorized all the committees' subpoenas, according to the House Rules.

There is no rule that says that the House of Representatives has to vote on or announce and/or get permission from the House body for committees to do inquiries and oversight into the Executive Branch.




so "officially" it began from the speaker of the house at a press conference?
Thanks!




Officially, any question as to whether or not the House and its perspective committees had the authorization to investigate and subpoena the Executive office was put to rest that day.



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posted on Oct, 10 2019 @ 12:02 PM
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So, when does the House Judiciary hold the vote and get this thing moving?????

You should be chompin' at the bit to proceed with this thing.



posted on Oct, 10 2019 @ 12:16 PM
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a reply to: toolgal462


Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell said Monday the Senate would have "no choice" but to hold a trial on whether to remove President Donald Trump from office if the House votes to put forward articles of impeachment.

The Kentucky Republican told CNBC that the obligation to hold a trial is part of Senate rules, and it would take a two-thirds vote of the chamber to change that.

"I would have no choice but to take it up, based on a Senate rule on impeachment," McConnell said.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi announced an impeachment inquiry last week over whether Trump improperly pressured Ukraine to investigate his political rival Joe Biden.

www.usatoday.com...



posted on Oct, 10 2019 @ 12:18 PM
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originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: toolgal462




The legal process for impeachment has not been followed by Pelosi and the House.


Citation please. Just saying it over and over doesn't make it true.

Trump under an impeachment inquiry in the House of Representative. That's a fact.



I have to give big kudos to The Redneck who is doing an absolutely awesome job of providing detailed sourcing from the Constitution, Legislative House Rules, etc. I certainly would not do his posts justice by copy and pasting so, please follow this Post link to his last post in another thread to have your question answered.

Peruse some of his previous posts too. The speaker of the House cannot act of her own accord, she must act on the majority of the 465 representatives. Thus, a vote is necessary.



posted on Oct, 10 2019 @ 12:24 PM
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a reply to: CynConcepts

Thanks for providing that outstanding explanation by Redneck so I don't have to attempt to explain it to the thick headed.

again, for Sookie...When does the House vote on impeachment to get this thing moving?



posted on Oct, 10 2019 @ 12:33 PM
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originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: SailorJerry

Put up or shut up! Cite the House Rule, federal law or the part of the US Constitution that backs up your claim.



maybe you should put up or shut up?........Were ALL tired of trying educate you people on how the government works........I for one will not spoon feed you information, its clear thats not working for you already, since you dont know how impeachment proceedings move forward.........


Yes it does have to go to a vote for it to be a formal impeachment...........you cant just walk in and scream impeachment.....thats not how it works........

How the left thinks Impeachment works:


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posted on Oct, 10 2019 @ 12:38 PM
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a reply to: CynConcepts
Redeck's reference is in regard to the enforcement of subpoenas, not the process or the legitimacy of the House to convene an impeachment inquiry.

Besides ATS member Redneck, can you point to any legal scholar who is using that particular obscure segment that eludes to authority and direction? Any legal eagle talking head or writer in any official media outlet arguing that that particular obscure clause makes the whole impeachment inquiry illegitimate?

Can you prove to me that the authority required for the "enforcement of subpoenas" isn't granted through the application of the rules and by the authority of the Speaker of the House, who signs every subpoena from the House? Can you explain how the question of the procedure for the "enforcement of a subpoena" has any bearing on the legitimacy of an impeachment inquiry?



posted on Oct, 10 2019 @ 12:41 PM
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Wow.

By your ramblings it sounds like this is the easiest slam dunk in history...

Yet?



posted on Oct, 10 2019 @ 12:42 PM
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please, define "The House"

that is all.



posted on Oct, 10 2019 @ 12:45 PM
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.I for one will not spoon feed you information,


Yawn. That's because you don't any. You only have lies and pie in the sky dreams about an orange god that is above the law.



posted on Oct, 10 2019 @ 12:47 PM
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How about you cite the rule or the law, that you keep saying exists, that requires a full house vote in order for The House committees to convene impeachment inquiries?

How about you cite the rules and procedure needed for committees to ensure their subpoenas are enforced.


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posted on Oct, 10 2019 @ 12:48 PM
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The House brings impeachment charges against federal officials as part of its oversight and investigatory responsibilities. Individual Members of the House can introduce impeachment resolutions like ordinary bills, or the House could initiate proceedings by passing a resolution authorizing an inquiry. The Committee on the Judiciary ordinarily has jurisdiction over impeachments, but special committees investigated charges before the Judiciary Committee was created in 1813. The committee then chooses whether to pursue articles of impeachment against the accused official and report them to the full House. If the articles are adopted (by simple majority vote), the House appoints Members by resolution to manage the ensuing Senate trial on its behalf.


Impeachment | U.S. House of Representatives

And


The House Judiciary Committee set up an impeachment inquiry staff and began investigations into possible impeachable offenses by Richard Nixon, the 37th President of the United States. The process was formally initiated on February 6, 1974, when the House of Representatives passed a resolution, H.Res. 803, giving the Judiciary Committee authority to investigate whether sufficient grounds existed to impeach Nixon[1]


Wikipedia


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I mean just because that's how it's always been done (you know that thing called, "precedent.") is no reason that it should continued to be done that way.
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posted on Oct, 10 2019 @ 12:49 PM
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again, for Sookie...When does the House vote on impeachment to get this thing moving?


When the impeachment inquiry is finished and the Articles of Impeachment are presented to The House for a vote.



posted on Oct, 10 2019 @ 12:52 PM
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originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: toolgal462




again, for Sookie...When does the House vote on impeachment to get this thing moving?


When the impeachment inquiry is finished and the Articles of Impeachment are presented to The House for a vote.



So this isn't an official impeachment then? It's just empty words pandering to stupid people?



posted on Oct, 10 2019 @ 12:54 PM
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originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: toolgal462




again, for Sookie...When does the House vote on impeachment to get this thing moving?


When the impeachment inquiry is finished and the Articles of Impeachment are presented to The House for a vote.



I imagine you air fapping as you typed that.



posted on Oct, 10 2019 @ 12:55 PM
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The Rules have changed since Nixon.

The powerful weapon House Republicans handed Democrats
A GOP rule change handed unilateral subpoena authority to many House committee chairmen. Democrats cried foul, but now they hope to use it against Trump.

www.politico.com...


Before the 2015 rule change, most House subpoenas needed at least some bipartisan cover, requiring a majority vote of committee members and consultation with a panel’s ranking member. The change erased those requirements and allowed the chairmen to proceed unilaterally, although the exact rules vary by committee.



posted on Oct, 10 2019 @ 01:02 PM
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So this isn't an official impeachment then?


No. It's an investigation, called an impeachment inquiry. If the committees' investigations find evidence of what they think rises to "high crimes and misdemeanors", Articles of Impeachment will be drafted.

Then, the House of Representatives votes, yeah or nay, on each of the Articles of Impeachment. If any of them pass, then they go as like "charges" to the Senate, where a trial is held. Senators are the jurors and a SCOTUS judge oversees the ordeal.

At that time the president and his team can present their case, cross examine witnesses and present their own witnesses.
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posted on Oct, 10 2019 @ 01:12 PM
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Doesn't the House have to vote on having the inquiry to begin with?



posted on Oct, 10 2019 @ 01:23 PM
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The House Impeachment Inquiry is in "Name Only".

They are investigating and "following up" on the Whistleblower(s) Complaints (or "ain'ts 😀).

Full blown Impeachment hearings need full subpoena powers and full equal representation to be genuine 😀

Anything less is just another Democrat scam 😀

They are only fooling fellow Democrats (great ! 😀)




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