Originally posted by prelude
I dont know about the exact energy dependancy of China
The largest amount of projected oil to china by 2010 is about 20 million tons of oil or about 400,000 barrals a day. That is just over the amount of
oil china exports. That is the projected figure and does not yet take into account good or bad actions. That is still lacking even close to middle
The middile east as of now provides 60% of chinas oil imports and is going to jump to 75% according to some forecast. Even if we dont include
countries like nigeria, indonesia, south america or even canadian imports, that is only 40% Maximum now and 25% Maximum in the near future
Muslim countries are more likely to stay neutral due to two facts
1 US pressure
2 with present day situation most the Muslim countries are pro Russian
I doubt any of the flowing would happen. Since the 1980's china has made extensive ties with middle eastern countries. Saudis, Kuwait and yeman are
most of chinas biggest oil exporters and there is non-existant russian influence since all those countries were originally US spheres of influence to
Maybe in countries like syria or Libya where russia still holds influence might stop shipping there ting amount of oil but i cant really see any other
middle eastern country stopping oil shipments to china. Even if they were neutral it still wouldn't stop because they are countries which make money
off oil, if no one is buying oil then they dont make money. China offers them profits while russia is a competitor. Russia doesn't offer anything to
chinas main suppilers which is worth anything
Saudi Arabia cuts oil sales to U.S., ups China
The title tells it all
Most middle eastern countries aren't pro russia. OPEC and russia are oil competitors while chechnya, afganistan are all to real memories. Russia
supported iraq in the gulf war, iraq invaded kuwait and were threating to invade saudi arabia. Why would you think that they would stay neutral
So China will have to fuel herself from within .....stopping the consumer goods to get fuel will put pressure on the Economy which needs to
sail smooth in case China wants to win
With the amount of monetry reserves china has still will out last russia quite easily. China as of now stands at about 700billion dollars while russia
has only 170+billion. Its not the russia of old where mass production wins the war. China is now the powerhouse of industrial production. She makes
more steel than the US, japan and russia combined.
Chinas new doctrim is not a drawn out war where it slowly gathers men and slowly advances. It has never been like that. Chinas army is slowly becoming
very moblie. And if you see the divisions china has step up in xingjiang or the 38th and 39th armies in northern china, It will over run the little
russian garrison up north. Any senario would see the chinese army taking the valuble land from the russians and leave the rest of the area that it
doesn't need. Who is going to stop us?
In a full scale military conflict without nuclear weapons, consumer goods production would be stopped. No questions asked, its common sense just to
stop un-essential industries. The oil china does use is for transportantion, eg cars, ships.
China this year has started to fill its 150 million barrel stratgic reserve. While russia is still in its planning stage. Current chinese stocks will
last for 30 days on the current use china has now.
if it didnot then developing countries like Indioa and China wouldnt have been desperate for Russian military and space Technology
The technology russia has suppiled to china is not high tech, It was used to fill in the capability gap china had at that time. Like you have said
before, none of the technology could be considered high tech, They are still soviet era technology upgraded with forigen technology.
The reason china tries to do deals with israel and dual-use technology items is because their russian counterparts is not good. As shown by the MKI
project and the T-90 which was fitted with a french made FCS. Also the indians opted for a israeli AWACS instead of the russian A-50. But the
advantage russia has is price and the ability to take barted goods instead of hard currency.
Currently china has not signed any deals for fighters or more submarines, The only deals was the IL-76 transport and tankers for the equipment china
already has. Even india stopped signing deals for all exculsive russian equipment and has out fitted russian equipment with imported gear, The MKI is
a good example and the jagur and Mig-27 upgrades. They to have turned to the israelis for technology since russian technology is not to advanced
Space technology is a non-issue, the shenzhou capsule is chinese and the majority and all major systems are chinese. It took six space lanuchers to
test them all out. What the russians provided with the training for space and some smaller componets which would have taken longer to design. China
would prefer to work with other countries like NASA because there technology is alot more advanced.
Russia was the only countries which could make a rocket fast enough or have some space rockets to put into space. The reason the US didn't put their
space shuttle into orbit was because they had even up on dispoable rockets and made the most advanced sapce ship ever built.
The facts that put forward is atleast 15 years old steriotype about russia u are totally unware of recent developments Russia pilots have set
records in all major air shows in the last 10 years
They are no sterotypes, they are real facts. Russian pilots still are getting 20-40 hours of training a year while chinese pilots in J-6s rack up
twice as much and J-8 pilots in china get 180 hours. Not to gloat but thats a huge difference between what china considers supporting fighters and not
the elite planes which fly the Su-27/Su-30MKK combo or the J-10.
What are important records if only a couple or your test pilots get that training instead of sharing the funds around and getting them trained. How
much of your pilots know how to do a cobra or any other "records" at airshows. Air shows are air shows but pilot training is pilot training. Two
very different concepts.
The current russian defence budget is
. That is not enough to run planes and get plane upgrades. How much of the Mig-29s and Su-27s have been upgraded or even made airworthy.
There are about 11 major military exercises in china a year. There are numerous pictures of the chinese navy getting some ocean time. How is the
russian navy doing?