War: Can China take Russia with 200 million men?, page 4


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reply posted on 24-3-2005 @ 10:49 PM by rogue1
Originally posted by Disturbed Deliverer
The weather in Russia is too extreme for anyone to invade. If at any point you get bogged down in a Russian winter, even the oil in your tanks freeze.


That's bull. As someone already pointed out, the Mongols successfuly invaded Russia with complete ease.


Look at the deomgraphics of the world back then, the population back then was far more sparse than it is now. It was far easier for a group to exert its dominance over a wide area than now. Besides this was at a time when the popualtions of the areas the Mongols counted would be a few million perosns. Today it would be closer to a billion.


As for it messing up equipment, it was only because of lack of spare parts due to Germany being bombed, and simply not being designed for the Cold. Tanks can operate fine in that weather, especially modern ones.


If we're talking about 1941 Germany was barely being touched by any bombing. IF we are talking after then you'd be interested to find out that Germany's production of war material actually increased under allied bombing. This was mainly due to the genius of Speer's orginisational skills.


The Germans didn't have winter clothing with them when they invaded. Had they, there wouldn't have been such losses during the winter, and they would have continued where they left off. There wouldn't have been any Stalingrad.


They still would have been beaten back with or without winter clothing. Stalin shipped in 500 000 Siberians who not only had great winter equipment they were also used to the frozen conditions. Not to mention of course the superiority of the T-34 in Russian conditions.


Not to mention part of the reason Germany couldn't supply its forces was that it was under intensive bombing raids from other allies, and split on two different fronts.


How about lack of manppower as well, you can build as many weapons as you like but you need the soldiers to use them.


It still really came down to the Battle of Moscow, in which the Germans could have won.


Well, that is debatable at best. Could they have taken Moscow probably however there timing was interrupted with the invasion of Yugoslavia and some big operations in the early months of Barbarossa,
However the fall of Moscow wouldn't have led to the defeat of the USSR.


The same basically applies to Napoleon. He terribly underestimated the Russian winter, and wasn't prepared for the Russians burning everything in their retreats. Had he had modern means of transporting supplies, it wouldn't have been a problem.


Ahem so, he didn't this was almost 200 yaers ago. If anyone had modern eqyipment back then they would hvae taken over the world.


reply posted on 4-6-2006 @ 06:20 PM by chinawhite
Originally posted by prelude
If China is in war with Russia who us going to Supply China the Necessary FUEL (Petrolium gas etc ) required for the war ?


Iran, sudan, indonesia, australia, saudi arabia, kuwait, venezuela, Kazakhstan. The list actually goes on and on and on.

Chinas own oil production per day 3.504 million bbl/day (2004)

Oil - consumption: 6.391 million bbl/day (2004)

Oil - imports: 3.226 million bbl/day (2004)

In the event of war they will have stopped production of consumer goods and would have shifted those oil supplies (which make up the vast majority of consumtion) to war industries. That where china will get its oil from

china is almost totally dependent on Russia as far as Fuel


Well very unlikey, Yuko was the only oil company which dealed with china until they went bankrupt in 04. The largest amount of oil per day was only 200,000 barrels per day (as claimed by the article, even though other sources put the figure at less than 100,000)

Yukos has signed contracts with China National Petroleum Corp. (CNPC) and refiner Sinopec to deliver at least 5.5 million tons of oil this year, or an average of 110,000 barrels per day. But it’s actually been shipping as much as 200,000 barrels per day.

Russian Oil Cuts Threaten China's Energy Security

Notice the title of the article.

Now look at chinas exports of oil for the same period
Oil - exports: 340,300 bbl/day (2004)

That is atleast 140,000 more barrels per day if we minus chinas "TOTAL DEPENDENCE" from russian oil to chinas own exports we get the feeling that russia is only a small suppiler.

or 2006 figures
Alekperov said Lukoil seeks to raise crude production in Kazakhstan by 40% in four years. "The total volume of crude oil production in Kazakhstan is expected to reach six million tons (120,500 bbl/d) in 2006, and the company plans to reach 10 million tons (200,100 bbl/d) by 2010."

RUSSIAN OIL TO FLOW TO CHINA EVEN BEFORE PIPELINE COMPLETED


and advanced Technology is concerned


Russia has a advanced technology base?.

the best Tech that china uses today is atleast 15 years backdaed Soviet Technology.


You mean the 636M, Su-30MKK, Su-27SMK, 956EM with the 3M80MBE sunburn and Kashtan air defence system.

But lets factor in training and condition of the chinese armed forces compared to the mightly russian frederation. Russian pilots get 20hours of training a year whilst J-8 pilots in china get 180 hours.

I wonder if the russian airforce is cutting back funds for the armaments like the AAM or ground attack missiles to much those rusty buckets even have some attacking capability

Russian are well aware about the loopholes of their own technology supplied to china


Loop holes..........very wishful thinking

RUSSIA HAS NEVER BEEN SUCCESFULLY INVADED


Mongolia, Germans WW1, and a host of other countries before russia was even russia
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