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originally posted by: tanstaafl
originally posted by: Vasa Croe
So how is it that the House Intel Committee is trying fake this role over now? Am I missing something that either allows them to do so or a reason for the Judiciary not doing so? Does this essentially nullify anything the Intel Committee is doing?
You are missing something...
No committee can unilaterally decide to initiate Impeachment proceedings.
Any House Member can submit a Resolution to initiate Impeachment Inquiry, but it must be voted on by the Whole House.
Until there is a vote of the whole House, there is no official Impeachment Inquiry, which is required before they have real subpoena powers. This is the substance of Trumps letter to Pelosi.
The Constitution is clear. The House of Representatives has the sole Power of Impeachment. Not the Speaker of The House. Not some committee or committee chairman. The (whole) House.
And the way The House of Representatives acts is by voting on Resolutions.
originally posted by: Pyle
No where does it say HOW the House can come to bringing articles of impeachment.
originally posted by: infolurker
a reply to: Vasa Croe
Here is the deal.
The House did vote on an impeachment inquiry for Presidents Bill Clinton and Richard Nixon.
They are trying to not have a vote so that Republicans cannot call witnesses. By not voting, they attempt to block witnesses for the "defense".
That is it in a nutshell.
A subpoena may be authorized in the conduct of an investigation or activity authorized by the committee or a subcommittee, a majority of the committee or subcommittee present and voting.
What caveat? Here's the rule.
In the Judiciary committee (where impeachments have always been started before) they have a caveat for issuing subpoenas.
(a)A subpoena may be authorized and issued by the Chairman, in accordance with clause 2(m) of rule XI of the House of Representatives, in the conduct of any investigation or activity or series of investigations or activities within the jurisdiction of the Committee, following consultation with the Ranking Minority Membe
Impeachment proceedings may be commenced in the House of Representatives by a Member declaring a charge of impeachment on his or her own initiative, by a Member presenting a memorial listing charges under oath, or by a Member depositing a resolution in the hopper, which is then referred to the appropriate committee. The impeachment process may be triggered by non-Members, such as when the Judicial Conference of the United States suggests that the House may wish to consider impeachment of a federal judge,where an independent counsel advises the House of any substantial and credible information which he or she believes might constitute grounds for impeachment, by message from the President, by a charge from a state or territorial legislature or grand jury, or by petition.
“The impeachment process may be initiated as the result of various actions and events, including the receipt and referral of information from an outside source, investigations by congressional committees under their general authority, or the introduction of articles of impeachment in the form of a House resolution,”
The Congressional Research Service (CRS) works exclusively for the United States Congress, providing policy and legal analysis to committees and Members of both the House and Senate, regardless of party affiliation. As a legislative branch agency within the Library of Congress, CRS has been a valued and respected resource on Capitol Hill for more than a century. CRS is well-known for analysis that is authoritative, confidential, objective and nonpartisan. Its highest priority is to ensure that Congress has 24/7 access to the nation’s best thinking.
originally posted by: Lumenari
a reply to: Vasa Croe
Pelosi did this for a very good reason.
By the Intelligence Committee doing this, they can do it behind closed doors with no Republican interference.
Schiff can come out of the closed room, face the cameras and lie his ass off about what they just heard.
An impeachment is traditionally held in a public forum where the citizens can learn what is being said.
They set this one up different simply because they have no impeachable offenses.
Having the meetings and questioning behind closed doors allows the Democrats to control the narrative.
ETA... this is exactly why what is going on should not be referred to as part of an "impeachment process. "
It is actually an inquisition.
Let's be real. A lot of the House Democrats are trying to get re-elected in purple districts, but they are facing internal party pressures from groups connected to people like The Squad. If they aren't radical enough, they get primaried by "real" leftists.