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Impeachment Process and which committee?

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posted on Oct, 9 2019 @ 01:22 PM
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originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: Vasa Croe
So how is it that the House Intel Committee is trying fake this role over now? Am I missing something that either allows them to do so or a reason for the Judiciary not doing so? Does this essentially nullify anything the Intel Committee is doing?

You are missing something...

No committee can unilaterally decide to initiate Impeachment proceedings.

Any House Member can submit a Resolution to initiate Impeachment Inquiry, but it must be voted on by the Whole House.

Until there is a vote of the whole House, there is no official Impeachment Inquiry, which is required before they have real subpoena powers. This is the substance of Trumps letter to Pelosi.

The Constitution is clear. The House of Representatives has the sole Power of Impeachment. Not the Speaker of The House. Not some committee or committee chairman. The (whole) House.

And the way The House of Representatives acts is by voting on Resolutions.


Except legally speaking there is no such thing as an impeachment inquiry.

The house doesnt gain magic powers by saying we vote to investigate. They already have those powers. All that is required is a vote before the house when articles are presented. No where does it say HOW the House can come to bringing articles of impeachment.




posted on Oct, 9 2019 @ 01:27 PM
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originally posted by: Pyle
No where does it say HOW the House can come to bringing articles of impeachment.

Yes, it does. By saying that 'The House of Representatives' has the power, that in fact requires any process to be voted on by the House - the Whole House.

Again, it doesn't say that The Speaker or some committee has the power, it is the House - the Whole House.

But you go ahead and continue to believe whatever you want, Gomer.



posted on Oct, 9 2019 @ 01:42 PM
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a reply to: Vasa Croe

The intelligence committee is investigating, not voting on or approving articles of impeachment (yet).

Since the incident involving the Ukraine phone call is an Intelligence and NatSec issue, it makes sense the Intelligence committee would be the ones to look into that.

Judiciary committee approves the articles, but there is no legal of Constitutional requirement (that I know) requiring the Judiciary Committee to begin the impeachment investigation.



posted on Oct, 9 2019 @ 01:58 PM
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a reply to: infolurker

To put it simply - Truth.

Thanks!



posted on Oct, 9 2019 @ 03:03 PM
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The White House quickly made the full transcript of that call public.
a reply to: ketsuko


REALLY?!?

Wow, thats breaking news!!

Got a link?



posted on Oct, 9 2019 @ 05:11 PM
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originally posted by: infolurker
a reply to: Vasa Croe

Here is the deal.

The House did vote on an impeachment inquiry for Presidents Bill Clinton and Richard Nixon.


They are trying to not have a vote so that Republicans cannot call witnesses. By not voting, they attempt to block witnesses for the "defense".

That is it in a nutshell.

So this is an impeachment nothing until there is a vote basically. The prez and anyone they call don't have to respect the subpoenas? This why the letter was sent for them to vote.



posted on Oct, 9 2019 @ 05:40 PM
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a reply to: ErEhWoN

www.foxnews.com...

Sept. 25, hardly "BREAKING", and the document itself is posted via Scribd in the link lest you doubt a Fox link.


edit on 9-10-2019 by ketsuko because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 11 2019 @ 07:36 PM
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a reply to: Vasa Croe

Something to add on this... I was talking to Phage about the rules on another thread and I dug up something.

In the Judiciary committee (where impeachments have always been started before) they have a caveat for issuing subpoenas.


A subpoena may be authorized in the conduct of an investigation or activity authorized by the committee or a subcommittee, a majority of the committee or subcommittee present and voting.


The Intelligence committee has no such caveat... a subpoena may be issued by the chair after consulting with the ranking minority leader or by a vote of the full committee.

One could argue that "consulting with the ranking minority leader" means the minority leader needs to agree...

However, it does not specifically state that.

So that's the additional reason why Pelosi started this in the Intelligence committee, besides the reasons I posted in my first reply.

Hope that helps.




edit on 11-10-2019 by Lumenari because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 11 2019 @ 08:13 PM
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a reply to: Lumenari



In the Judiciary committee (where impeachments have always been started before) they have a caveat for issuing subpoenas.
What caveat? Here's the rule.


(a)A subpoena may be authorized and issued by the Chairman, in accordance with clause 2(m) of rule XI of the House of Representatives, in the conduct of any investigation or activity or series of investigations or activities within the jurisdiction of the Committee, following consultation with the Ranking Minority Membe

judiciary.house.gov...

This is the case with most committees.

edit on 10/11/2019 by Phage because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 11 2019 @ 08:18 PM
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Impeachment proceedings may be commenced in the House of Representatives by a Member declaring a charge of impeachment on his or her own initiative, by a Member presenting a memorial listing charges under oath, or by a Member depositing a resolution in the hopper, which is then referred to the appropriate committee. The impeachment process may be triggered by non-Members, such as when the Judicial Conference of the United States suggests that the House may wish to consider impeachment of a federal judge,where an independent counsel advises the House of any substantial and credible information which he or she believes might constitute grounds for impeachment, by message from the President, by a charge from a state or territorial legislature or grand jury, or by petition.


Impeachment and Removal - Congressional Research Service, pg 17



“The impeachment process may be initiated as the result of various actions and events, including the receipt and referral of information from an outside source, investigations by congressional committees under their general authority, or the introduction of articles of impeachment in the form of a House resolution,”


The Impeachment Process in the House - Congressional Research Service

Your source is the public "History" section of the House website.



posted on Oct, 11 2019 @ 08:20 PM
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Oh, and for any potential source-damners ...



The Congressional Research Service (CRS) works exclusively for the United States Congress, providing policy and legal analysis to committees and Members of both the House and Senate, regardless of party affiliation. As a legislative branch agency within the Library of Congress, CRS has been a valued and respected resource on Capitol Hill for more than a century. CRS is well-known for analysis that is authoritative, confidential, objective and nonpartisan. Its highest priority is to ensure that Congress has 24/7 access to the nation’s best thinking.


Library of Congress - CRS



posted on Oct, 14 2019 @ 03:56 PM
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originally posted by: Lumenari
a reply to: Vasa Croe

Pelosi did this for a very good reason.

By the Intelligence Committee doing this, they can do it behind closed doors with no Republican interference.

Schiff can come out of the closed room, face the cameras and lie his ass off about what they just heard.

An impeachment is traditionally held in a public forum where the citizens can learn what is being said.

They set this one up different simply because they have no impeachable offenses.

Having the meetings and questioning behind closed doors allows the Democrats to control the narrative.



ETA... this is exactly why what is going on should not be referred to as part of an "impeachment process. "

It is actually an inquisition.


That is OK with me because the only reason why the Dims are doing this is because they know the whole charade is going to be exposed. starting with this Friday from what I hear. The Bomb is dropping on the Obama Admin FISA abuse from what Fox says. Abuse my arse, how about out and out lies lol. The Socialist acting as Democrats are terrified because they know the gig is up.

The only ones that will be holding legal actions in the House and Senate soon will be Republicans and watch how fast they start turning on each other or fleeing the country.



posted on Oct, 14 2019 @ 08:14 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko




Let's be real. A lot of the House Democrats are trying to get re-elected in purple districts, but they are facing internal party pressures from groups connected to people like The Squad. If they aren't radical enough, they get primaried by "real" leftists.


You totally nailed this one!

Bravo!




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