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originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: proximo
How do you know hes lying? Maybe it's the republicans that are. And yes, I have listened to the republican version of the story also... from various media outlets.
It's just that I've learned not to trust them as far as I could throw them.
so it is kind of funny seeing trump get crap for calling it a coup when one of the people who wants him impeached said the exact same thing about Clinton over 20 years ago perhaps he was just using old Jerrys script . the major difference between Clinton and trump though is so far no independent counsel has been appointed to investigate him vs Clinton having one appointed (STAR) and nixon (lol who fired him on" bloody saturday") . there was a special counsel appointed for the Russia thing but so far no ones been appointed to this Ukrainian thing (those do take time historically usually months to years) but i was surprised it took this long for the ghram quote to show up as its been all over various social media for more then half a day now. then there is this gem
Twenty-one years ago, Nadler said that the Starr Report was inherently biased against Clinton: “'We should always remember this is a prosecutor's report — by its nature it's a one-sided report.” He complained about Clinton not being allowed to get a sneak peak at the Starr Report before it was made public: “The President is asking for two days. The Republicans say no.” In October 1998, Nadler attacked the legitimacy of the independent counsel investigation: “Starr thinks he is going to be investigating things in four years … I find that astonishing and appalling. Is this a permanent inquisition against the president?” The language Nadler used was reminiscent of the “witch hunt” language used by Trump in reference to Mueller’s investigation. In a February 1999 article in the New York Times, Nadler called the Starr Report and impeachment efforts by Republicans a “partisan coup d'etat.” He said he didn’t think Clinton had obstructed justice and that even if he had, it would not be an impeachable offense. “An impeachable offense is an abuse of Presidential power designed to or with the effect of undermining the structure or function of government, or undermining constitutional liberties,” Nadler said.
so flipitiy flops from each party on this one
Rep. Jerry Nadler (D., N.Y.) was confronted on Sunday about his comments–made during former President Bill Clinton's impeachment–saying a president can't commit obstruction of justice. NBC's "Meet the Press" host Chuck Todd asked Nadler about his past comments, in which he was defending Clinton during the impeachment proceedings against him.
How many Fast and Furious?
Obama blocks release of 'Fast, Furious' documents
Obama Asserts Executive Privilege Over The Department Of Justice's Gun Running Scandal
How many IRS investigations under Obama?
Tea party groups get revenge against IRS as judge approves $3.5 million payout
How many Whitewater?
The Clintons were never charged with any crime. Fifteen other people were convicted of more than 40 crimes, including Jim Guy Tucker, who resigned from office.
Jim Guy Tucker: Governor of Arkansas at the time, resigned (fraud, 3 counts)
John Haley: attorney for Jim Guy Tucker (tax evasion)
William J. Marks, Sr.: Jim Guy Tucker's business partner (conspiracy)
Stephen Smith: former Governor Clinton aide (conspiracy to misapply funds). Bill Clinton pardoned.
Webster Hubbell: Clinton political supporter; U.S. Associate Attorney General; Rose Law Firm partner (embezzlement, fraud)
Jim McDougal: banker, Clinton political supporter: (18 felonies, varied)
Susan McDougal: Clinton political supporter (multiple frauds). Bill Clinton pardoned.
David Hale: banker, self-proclaimed Clinton political supporter: (conspiracy, fraud)
Neal Ainley: Perry County Bank president (embezzled bank funds for Clinton campaign)
Chris Wade: Whitewater real estate broker (multiple loan fraud). Bill Clinton pardoned.
Larry Kuca: Madison real estate agent (multiple loan fraud)
Robert W. Palmer: Madison appraiser (conspiracy). Bill Clinton pardoned.
John Latham: Madison Bank CEO (bank fraud)
Eugene Fitzhugh: Whitewater defendant (multiple bribery)
Charles Matthews: Whitewater defendant (bribery)
originally posted by: underwerks
originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: underwerks
Yes, that article is over 2 weeks old. They received the transcript of the call they were seeking, and in order to go further with their inquiry now, they need to vote. Everything directly relating to their 2 whistleblowers is in that transcript which was given to them openly as soon as they started complaining about it.
Now they need to vote for more.
Where is the evidence of that requirement? If you're telling the truth, it should be easy to find that information. I've offered links and evidence..
"The U.S. government had open-source intelligence and was aware as early as February of 2019 that the Ukrainian government was planning to reopen the Burisma investigation," he claimed. "This is long before the president ever imagined having a call with President Zelensky," he added, noting Petro Poroshenko was still Ukraine's president at that time.
originally posted by: TerryMcGuire
a reply to: ketsuko
Exactly my point'
originally posted by: Dfairlite
Impeachment only becomes a legitimate legislative purpose once a committee or the house has voted on it.
However I think that they DO have sufficient cause to move forward with an ''inquiry''.