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White House formally tells Democrats it won’t cooperate with impeachment probe

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posted on Oct, 8 2019 @ 09:21 PM
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originally posted by: thedigirati

originally posted by: underwerks

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: underwerks

The subpoenas hold no weight unless there is a vote taken, but a vote isn't required to begin an investigation.


Then what is the point?
A side show?






Probably to have something to hold against the people who refuse the subpoenas. Because while they can't legally be compelled to appear, they can still be held liable for obstruction if they don't.

As long as there is an investigation going on they can be held liable for obstructing that investigation. Whether a vote has been held or not. It just gives the Trump admin more time to mess up.


what court will uphold that?? what if the GOP and Trump Say No

what can the Democrats do?? seriously.


Nothing right now. Trump and everyone else can disregard the subpoenas they get until the house holds a formal vote.

But it isn't a good look for Trump to do that. Disregarding a co-equal branch of government only adds to how bad Trump is going to look by the time this gets to the Senate. And it opens them up to more charges of obstruction.

If he was smart and knew there was nothing there he'd just go along with it and let the Democrats play out the string. Then throw it in their face when they came up empty.

But he's not doing that.




posted on Oct, 8 2019 @ 09:23 PM
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originally posted by: links234
a reply to: HalWesten

I think you're conflating articles of impeachment with an impeachment inquiry.

The full House doesn't have to vote on the inquiry, only on the articles of impeachment brought after the inquiry.

Also, every subcommittee has subpoena power that doesn't require a full House vote.


yes they do, once they ( the commitee) vote on what ever it is they want to subpena.

without that vote the subpenas are not legal.



posted on Oct, 8 2019 @ 09:26 PM
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a reply to: underwerks

I see.

So our legal system now works on the idea that if you are innocent and someone wants to give you endless legal anal probes because they don't like your politics, you should bend over and take it because you have nothing to hide no matter how damaging and destructive it is.

I mean, we all saw how well that worked out for Kavanaugh how allowed everything, hid nothing. He was banned from coaching his daughters' team among other things on the mere allegations that he was doing something, had done something improper. He was dragged into the Senate on national TV and broken down into tears while they did their best to break him over his innocence.

But, you know, he had nothing to hide, so it was all OK, right?

This is totally how our legal system needs to work now, right?

Since you're sure Trump did something wrong because you don't want him to be president, he needs to be investigated and have every single aspect of everything pried into in the attempt to find a parking ticket he has never paid so you can impeach him over it, and he should just cheerfully comply.



posted on Oct, 8 2019 @ 09:30 PM
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So our legal system now works on the idea that if you are innocent and someone wants to give you endless legal anal probes because they don't like your politics, you should bend over and take it because you have nothing to hide no matter how damaging and destructive it is.


Impeachment isn't a legal process, it's a political one. And has nothing to do with our legal system. The same rules don't apply.

Maybe that's the source of your confusion.



posted on Oct, 8 2019 @ 09:32 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko


Since you're sure Trump did something wrong because you don't want him to be president, he needs to be investigated and have every single aspect of everything pried into in the attempt to find a parking ticket he has never paid so you can impeach him over it, and he should just cheerfully comply.


If it was up to me every single politician from the federal level down would be publicly investigated and the results publicly available in a downloadable PDF.



posted on Oct, 8 2019 @ 09:34 PM
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a reply to: underwerks
Ah
The ole "they are all bad"

Nope
Not this time

Take the vote or shut up



posted on Oct, 8 2019 @ 09:35 PM
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Nancy and Schiff are running their new "Queen of Hearts" Authoritarian System as they selectively blame Trump for what they themselves are guilty of doing (old Democrat trick) 😃

When this fully backfires, Democrats will pay a long and bitter price 😎



posted on Oct, 8 2019 @ 09:37 PM
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a reply to: HalWesten

You don't need to listen to any "sources"

Just answer the following questions:

Q: When is a congressional subpoena legitimately issued?
A: When it is for a legislative purpose.

Q: When does impeachment (or an inquiry) become a legislative purpose.
A: When it is voted on by the house or a committee.

The answers are self evident.

But here is the supreme courts answer to these questions.



Congress is not a law enforcement agency, and cannot investigate someone purely to expose wrongdoing or damaging information about them for political gain. A subpoena must potentially further some “legitimate legislative purpose,”



posted on Oct, 8 2019 @ 09:38 PM
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originally posted by: MonkeyFishFrog
a reply to: xuenchen

"Now what?"

Um. Impeachment still. They don't need him to cooperate to impeach him. Another President tried the same tactic and hint hint it didn't work out for him either.


There is no impeachment. Where's the vote?

There won't be one. This is a waste of time.



posted on Oct, 8 2019 @ 09:39 PM
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originally posted by: underwerks
a reply to: ketsuko


So our legal system now works on the idea that if you are innocent and someone wants to give you endless legal anal probes because they don't like your politics, you should bend over and take it because you have nothing to hide no matter how damaging and destructive it is.


Impeachment isn't a legal process, it's a political one. And has nothing to do with our legal system. The same rules don't apply.

Maybe that's the source of your confusion.


That's where you're wrong. The Founders feared impeachment would devolve into a political process, but it was never intended to be anything other than a necessary legal check and not something done lightly or to score political which is exactly what it's being used for now.

They haven't followed proper procedure to even open the formal investigation and impeachment.

They can't do it right now because Congress is not in session. Steps would have to be taken to call them back into session before they could even talk about a vote.

This is all so much theatre.



posted on Oct, 8 2019 @ 09:39 PM
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a reply to: Dfairlite

Those are facts.

The peach mints cheerleaders don't like those



posted on Oct, 8 2019 @ 09:44 PM
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Did you know that a President can commit certain crimes, some have some pretty big fines and jail time, but not be impeached for them? The Supremes decided that a long time ago. Now obviously perjury and obstruction are not on the list. But tax evasion is one on that list.



posted on Oct, 8 2019 @ 09:46 PM
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originally posted by: Lumenari

Cool... maybe they should VOTE ON IT then... because until they do, a subcommitte of the House has no oversight power over the President.

Read what you quoted and think about it.

It takes the full House.

Duh?

What you mean is that only congress can veto, that includes a Presidential would be veto..if that is the case.
That does not mean that the federal lower house cannot impeach a President..they can when the evidence is strong enough with et al in agreement.
This may well be the case, given Trump's Faux Pas



posted on Oct, 8 2019 @ 09:52 PM
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originally posted by: smurfy

originally posted by: Lumenari

Cool... maybe they should VOTE ON IT then... because until they do, a subcommitte of the House has no oversight power over the President.

Read what you quoted and think about it.

It takes the full House.

Duh?

What you mean is that only congress can veto, that includes a Presidential would be veto..if that is the case.
That does not mean that the federal lower house cannot impeach a President..they can when the evidence is strong enough with et al in agreement.
This may well be the case, given Trump's Faux Pas





posted on Oct, 8 2019 @ 10:18 PM
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a reply to: dawnstar

ah so just lies and insinuation from you on this eh? and hes been adding not removing sanctions but dont let that get in the way of your narrative. id gather trump has more money then all of ats combined



posted on Oct, 8 2019 @ 10:19 PM
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a reply to: smurfy

If there was a formal committee vote opening an investigation that the White House was now not complying with, you'd be right, but as there has been no votes anywhere giving legal sanction to anything ... any such impeachment vote would be a purely partisan political game.



posted on Oct, 8 2019 @ 10:30 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: smurfy

If there was a formal committee vote opening an investigation that the White House was now not complying with, you'd be right, but as there has been no votes anywhere giving legal sanction to anything ... any such impeachment vote would be a purely partisan political game.


IHMO, the matter is not about voting for anything thus far, we don't know about anything evidential that has already been gleaned thus far either, other than what is contained in the whistleblower's complaint.



posted on Oct, 8 2019 @ 10:32 PM
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originally posted by: projectvxn
a reply to: Dfairlite

Those are facts.

The peach mints cheerleaders don't like those



peach 🍑 mint🍬

🍑🍬🍬
sooo yummy

and refreshing



posted on Oct, 8 2019 @ 10:42 PM
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If this ends up in court, the White House lawyers have made a good case by citing precedent and citing documented lies by the pertinent Democrats, as well as some laws conflicting with the whistleblower laws 😎



posted on Oct, 8 2019 @ 10:43 PM
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Now that it's put this way...


Rep. Jim Jordan, R-Ohio, slammed Schiff during an interview with reporters Tuesday saying that Schiff’s attempts to impeach the President ‘unfair and partisan.’

“You think about what the Democrats are trying to do, impeach the President of the United States thirteen months prior to an election based on an anonymous whistleblower with no firsthand knowledge who has a bias against the President, and the guy running the process Chairman Schiff didn’t event tell us that he had met with the whistleblower prior to the whistleblower filing the complaint,” said Jordan.


NO rational American could support this sham. Only the evil-possessed.



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