And Trump Wants Us To Help With China!?

Let me start off by saying I don’t hate the Donald, I think he’s no worse than any previous US president, even better than his predecessor but this whole business with the Kurds doesn’t sit well with me.

I’m an Australian and as it stands we are America’s best positioned ally to assist with curbing the rise of China and for the placement of strategic military assets.

After seeing how the US’ Kurdish allies have been treated makes me absolutely question why the hell we should support the IS posturing and threats against China. Australians are under an illusion that in the event of war with China the US would rush to our aide and be the great saviour. Absolute bollocks.

As soon as the US has no need for us we’re nothing to them. Check the actions of the revered coward and traitor General Douglas MacArthur in WW2.

If President Trump loses Re-election then all Australia will have to choose between for a major ally is two Communist world super powers.

It’s a delicate balancing act we are performing with our relationship with both China and the US and I fear sooner than later we will be forced to pick one.

a reply to: IAMALLYETALLIAM

Share a bed with the communists and might not like the aftermath...

Some STD's linger....

a reply to: Bluntone22

What to do about the NBA Rockets?

a reply to: IAMALLYETALLIAM

sounds like you guys might need to get your guns back. china has had it's eye on your land for a while now haven't they?

a reply to: hounddoghowlie

A phrase gaining more traction here is “silent invasion”.

They already own an alarming amount of property businesses and agricultural land.

a reply to: IAMALLYETALLIAM

I'm glad most of my life is behind me. Really dont like the way the government is going here in the USA, but feel sorry about the mess we are leaving for future generations

a reply to: IAMALLYETALLIAM

aren't they buying up a lot of mining companies? i seem to remember lots of talk about that a few years back. and for some reason i'm thinking that there were some chinese military at those mines. been a while not sure might be combining two different stories.

I hate to say this but it seems as long as someone is a useful idiot the USA makes all kinds of promises and even gives paper money to help in a joint goal....But once the relationship becomes inconvenient you are on you own, Bubba.. Look at history if anyone thinks I am wrong. But my generation is of the Vietnam era so I am bias towards anything Uncle Scammy promises.

China does not have to do a military invasion as they just move in and buy property and sooner or later buy your politicians and companies who give them favorable deals and tech. Happening all over S.E. Asia right under everyone's noses.

a reply to: IAMALLYETALLIAM

I really don't blame anyone for turning their backs on America at this point. We deserve it.

a reply to: hounddoghowlie

The mining companies makes sense as they are the largest buyer of our Iron Ore and other raw materials, the military presence would be news to me - haven't heard that one.

originally posted by: 727Sky
I hate to say this but it seems as long as someone is a useful idiot the USA makes all kinds of promises and even gives paper money to help in a joint goal....But once the relationship becomes inconvenient you are on you own, Bubba.. Look at history if anyone thinks I am wrong. But my generation is of the Vietnam era so I am bias towards anything Uncle Scammy promises.

China does not have to do a military invasion as they just move in and buy property and sooner or later buy your politicians and companies who give them favorable deals and tech. Happening all over S.E. Asia right under everyone's noses.

And here in the USA.

a reply to: 727Sky

Exactly, if you look at history China tends to dominate through socio-political and economic means. They meddle in our elections in ways the Dems could only dream of Russia doing in the US.

Here they already have the property and the politicians - I could link you to countless articles of politicians recieving illicit donations from shady Chinese businessmen with ties to the Chinese Communist party.

Whether we here like it or not, our future prosperity is with China. So much so I am in the rudimentary stages of setting up a business to cater to their burgeoning middle class consumers.

If they weren't an evil communist monstrosity with no regard for human rights it wouldn't be so bad.

a reply to: hounddoghowlie

Nah - we'll be happy with the last 20 years US Politicians/Hawks/MIC donating their armed 2nd Amendment children as our 1st line of defence. You can even pay them mercenary bonuses out of some of those Afghani black drug money that finds its way back to your top officials.

When we also see the US and the rest of the world stop buying Chinese product to sanction China then we may consider you are serious.

Bring the Politicians children out!

a reply to: 727Sky

Yeah and guess who is the biggest recipient of Chinese investment


Yep the USA


www.aei.org...

Heritage Foundation’s China Global Investment Tracker follows large Chinese investments, excluding bonds, around the world. The leading recipient of these kinds of investments is the United States, which received over $180 billion from January 2005 through June 2019. Chinese investment in 2019 is on pace to reach just $5 billion. The US has now passed legislation limiting Chinese access to not only technology but also personal data, so the 2017 spending level of $25 billion will be difficult to regain.

The deals described in the tracker are worth $100 million or more. More important, they are voluntary transactions that let Americans make their own choices. Chinese purchases benefit Americans who hold desirable assets—city property and large corporations but also individual family homes (not in the tracker). Chinese investment helps support a small number of American jobs.

a reply to: IAMALLYETALLIAM

Look, let's be adults here, Australia isn't part of the Middle East, you're part of the same colonization process that ultimately lead to the formation of the United States. It is not a Kurdish situation in which you've got the standing government of Australia on one side, a group of rebels on another side, and a third party that seems to widely despise both sides looking to interject themselves. If Australia, Canada, the UK, France, Germany, etc were under attack, OF COURSE the USA would bail you out of it using whatever military might was needed to complete the job.

If President Trump loses Re-election then all Australia will have to choose between for a major ally is two Communist world super powers.

...Now imagine how those of us Americans who still remember only 20 years ago when even the most liberal Democrat politician would have been committing political suicide by calling themselves a socialist feel. You speak truth here, and believe me, we're doing all we can to prevent the US from falling into the hands of that evilness.

originally posted by: Bluntone22
a reply to: IAMALLYETALLIAM

Share a bed with the communists and might not like the aftermath...

Some STD's linger....

From each according to their ability, to each according to their needs takes on a totally different meaning under that analogy.

a reply to: IAMALLYETALLIAM

The only way to help the Kurds would be a true war/invasion with US support stealing land from another country.
What country, and what land, do you propose we do that to?

a reply to: IAMALLYETALLIAM

Well , the Chinese Will Welcome You with Open Arms , then Slaughter Every Aussie that Disagrees with their Policies when it comes to their New Australian Province . Why do you Think your Last Means of Self Defense is being taken Away from You , The Right to Bare Arms ? The So Called Present Government in Australia is Selling you All Out to the Chicoms . Your ONLY Hope is in 1 MAN , the President of the United States Donald J. Trump . The Congress and Senate in the U.S. are Currently " Bought and Paid For " by Powerful Foreign Nationals that HATE America , but He is on a Mission to Defend WE THE PEOPLE , and his Idea of Freedom and Democracy Around the Globe is Gaining New Followers with each passing day .


LIVE FREE OR DIE ! CHOOSE !

a reply to: IAMALLYETALLIAM

if ya really wanan complain about the kurds take it up with carter who regards it as one of the biggest failures of his life that he didnt help them when he had a legit chance to www.nytimes.com...

Whoever was to blame, an American guarantee was dishonored. An ethnic group that wanted only to speak its language and pursue its cultural traditions, as an autonomous region under the Iraqi flag, has since been systematically uprooted and dispersed. The totalitarian state of Iraq has driven hundreds of thousands of Kurds out of their homes. Thirty thousand Kurdish pesh rnerga (“those who face death”)—Mulla Mustafa's followers—were reported to he In concentration camps. Amnesty International has the names of 389 hostages—innocent wives and children of rebel soldiers now fighting once again in the hills—who have been jailed by Iraq, without medical care, in defiance of anybody's idea of human rights. Mulla Mustafa, now 75 and ill, is in America trying to call Mr. Carter's attention to the plight of his people,

and

Making certain the Kurdish pleas are not heard by President Carter is the man who took over covert connections with the Kurds from Colonel Kennedy in 1973, and who then personally handled the supply and cutoff decisions for Mr. Kissinger: Harold H. Saunders, whose reincarnation in the Carter Administration is as Director of Intelligence for the Department of State. As he focuses on the Mideast, Plosident Carter would do well to consider the only human beings in that area currently being harassed, and their leaders executed, for daring to demand the kind of internal autonomy now being offered to Palestinian Arabs, and rejected by Iraq's rejectionists, The Kurdish sellout was a stain on the Nixon‐Ford years: by turning away, by refusing to rectify a wrong, Mr. Carter tacitly makes that disgrace his own.

im a huge fan of the kurds but putting this all on trump is nonsense pretty much every administration since the 70s and given the kurds a plate of poo and told them to ask for seconds after they have fought and bled for us REPEATEDLY each time being told im sorry but next time it will be different and still time after time they stood up and answered our call only again to be screwed over .

what is trump to do though? deploy us assets to the kurish enclave on the turkish border against the second largest army in nato? send more troops the middle east where we have waged war since i was in elementary school? no fan of the Turks leaders but its kind of a crappy place to be as either way the press would vilify him . only wild card i see in the deck for this one isnt likely and would cause an even bigger S storm would be if Israel and their new found saudi/egyptian/UAE alliance decided to offer to gaurentee them military support and help setting up a state. Israel has been bombing iranian targets in syria for over a year so it wouldn't be too far of a stretch on that front but turky would rage holy hell about it and put the number two nato nation on a direct front with our biggest ally in the middle east ,dont thing egypt or saudi have beef with the kurds but saudi is bogged down in yemen with a proxy war against iran which ironically as above link were supportive of kurds in the past.

i guess the isrealis could try to sweeten the deal for their people by offering to let any turkish kurds immigrate and set up and build housing for the palestinains/kurds in this new Kurdish enclave thus further complicating any turkish aggression ie to get to the kurds you have to go through the palestinians but that would come with its own complications but with egyptian and saudi and isreali backing it could at least make turky think about a possible attack on the area . not likely but i try to think out side the box

originally posted by: hounddoghowlie
a reply to: IAMALLYETALLIAM

sounds like you guys might need to get your guns back. china has had it's eye on your land for a while now haven't they?

Actually, China seems a lot less expansionist than Western nations (ahem, USA).