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The American Civil War of 2005 as predicted by John Titor

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posted on Dec, 17 2005 @ 12:19 PM
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The AnnaMC message has apparantly been deleted. Roth captured my post including the qoute of what she posted. But the mod I just "took down" occurred on a different string. So there is something I don't quite like about this whole situation. It there was a message meant for me, then listen (read) this:

Anna is short for Anagram (sounds like An A)
MC stands for either Mind Control or Manchurian Candiadate

Together it could mean: An AMC (now what would that stand for?)
AMC = Another Manual Complaint
AMC = Any Malicious Code
AMC = Anna's Mother Cries
AMC = ATS Moderators Complain

Is Anna's message real? Or is it a fake to fool us all into believing something without having proof? How can we tell why the message disappeared from the string? Is someone trying to make us all look like blind idiots, that believe everything that is written (or is erased for that matter)?

Is Anna a real person? Is her brother really dead? Where is the proof that this isn't a hoax?

Just in case it isn't a hoax Anna I'm sorry to do this, but there are just too many debunkers around here, that have to learn a little about forensic investigation.
Peter Paul




posted on Dec, 17 2005 @ 12:25 PM
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Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird

Originally posted by Vitchilo
And ThatJustWeird, don't come here and say that the use of a taser was good because you'll make a lot of people angry and sad for nothing. Those weapons should be banish all over the world. In the past, the police officers were able to handcuff someone weren't? Without the use of taser? So why should the police have the right to have tasers now?

I wasn't going to reply to this dribble. But I unfortunately have to.
Vitchilo, you're one sick sick sick dude. How dare you even consider that I would think that to be good? You sick ****.
Not once in this thread have I ever stated that tasers are good or people dying from tasers are good. You haven't been paying attention to one thing have you? This thread would be running smoothly if it wasn't for people like you, who don't know how to read and keep making extremely wild and false assumptions like that.

How dare YOU attacking Vitchilo like that?

Its YOU who deserve ALL the contempt you've shown to return upon your own head. How dare you to deny what you indeed have written.


Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird

Originally posted by Mainer
A mod deleted that message? Why? It is as relevant as anything. Would the mod that did it please answer?

This thread is about John Titor's civil war not tasers. I'm sure the post was just moved to a more relevant section.

Wrong. Another one of your many lies and deceptions. The post from AnnaMC was posted on 17-12-2005 at 12:30 AM
Post Number: 1866136 (post id: 1888029)

If you check AnnaMC's post you'll see that no posts come up anymore, so the post is deleted.


Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
And Roth, I can give you 50 names..........in one city!
But....just as you wanted me to do the research on those names you posted, I'm going to let you do your own research. Sounds fair.
Google is your friend.


Go ahead... show them to me.... show me those 50+ cases in one city THIS YEAR where a DEFENSELESS UNARMED US citizen was SHOT to death by a US police officer!

Please show them to me those cases where an armed police officer shot to death an unarmed civilian, pregnant woman, child, physically or mentally disabled person or elderly person. I am sure you will not be able to show such cases.

However... "deadly taser cases"... at least 78 this year...

[edit on 17-12-2005 by Roth Joint]



posted on Dec, 17 2005 @ 12:29 PM
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Originally posted by Roth Joint

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
And ThatJustWeird, don't come here and say that the use of a taser was good because you'll make a lot of people angry and sad for nothing. Those weapons should be banish all over the world. In the past, the police officers were able to handcuff someone weren't? Without the use of taser? So why should the police have the right to have tasers now?

I wasn't going to reply to this dribble. But I unfortunately have to.
Vitchilo, you're one sick sick sick dude. How dare you even consider that I would think that to be good? You sick ****.
Not once in this thread have I ever stated that tasers are good or people dying from tasers are good. You haven't been paying attention to one thing have you? This thread would be running smoothly if it wasn't for people like you, who don't know how to read and keep making extremely wild and false assumptions like that.

How dare YOU attacking Vitchilo like that?



No Roth Joint it's true that I said stupidities. Sorry TJW it was out of the subject and I mis-expressed myself.

And I would like too to know what the heck with the AnnaMC's post! Moderator show yourself!



[edit on 17-12-2005 by Vitchilo]



posted on Dec, 17 2005 @ 12:32 PM
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Vitchilo, "let the worm crawl its way where it belongs"...

I suggest ThatsJustWeird takes back his words and apologizes to you for calling you sick and a sick ****.

I don't believe that was all too decent, especially what he probably meant to say with the four letter word expressed in ****.

I think this is unacceptable.


Roth.

[edit on 17-12-2005 by Roth Joint]



posted on Dec, 17 2005 @ 12:45 PM
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Originally posted by peterpaul
The AnnaMC message has apparantly been deleted. Roth captured my post including the qoute of what she posted. But the mod I just "took down" occurred on a different string. So there is something I don't quite like about this whole situation. It there was a message meant for me, then listen (read) this:
..
*100% paranoid analysis cut for brevity*




ok, i'm sorry to interrupt your little squabble about things that might or might not lead to a civil war.. which has either been going for a year or won't happen ever, depending on who you ask. looks like you won't agree no matter what, although i have to admit some off-topic stuff around here gets interesting, to say the least.

so, i'll try to word this semi-cryptically:


'Pilum Longum' says:
nothing characterises people (or organisations) better than what they prefer to do clandestinely


have a nice day and remember i can still lurk if you ban me



posted on Dec, 17 2005 @ 01:08 PM
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Originally posted by Long Lance

Originally posted by peterpaul
The AnnaMC message has apparantly been deleted. Roth captured my post including the qoute of what she posted. But the mod I just "took down" occurred on a different string. So there is something I don't quite like about this whole situation. It there was a message meant for me, then listen (read) this:
..
*100% paranoid analysis cut for brevity*




ok, i'm sorry to interrupt your little squabble about things that might or might not lead to a civil war.. which has either been going for a year or won't happen ever, depending on who you ask. looks like you won't agree no matter what, although i have to admit some off-topic stuff around here gets interesting, to say the least.

so, i'll try to word this semi-cryptically:


'Pilum Longum' says:
nothing characterises people (or organisations) better than what they prefer to do clandestinely


have a nice day and remember i can still lurk if you ban me

Long Lance don't worry, no reason to ban you I'm sure of that.
Although I do not entirely agree with everything in your message, I do like your quote VERY MUCH:


'Pilum Longum' says:
nothing characterises people (or organisations) better than what they prefer to do clandestinely


[edit on 18-12-2005 by Roth Joint]



posted on Dec, 17 2005 @ 01:31 PM
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Roth, please, try to calm down a bit. You're getting way too emotional. Don't keep asking TJW for any proof of any kind, because even so, we are talking about casualties, REAL people, REAL lives. And of course those who are no more.

We can't handle the future if we lose our patience and ability to stay calm in the face of a storm. Gather strenght for what is coming next.
I have a list of over 800 concentration camps that have been built in America and Canada over the last 10 years. Each has the capacity of about 20.000 people, one is even for 2 MIO. Now add those figures and you can guess that this has been a long time plan. And that is not even counting the underground facilities. This is beyond civil war. This is a round-up.
Peace be with you all
Peter Paul



posted on Dec, 17 2005 @ 01:41 PM
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Originally posted by peterpaul
Roth, please, try to calm down a bit. You're getting way too emotional. Don't keep asking TJW for any proof of any kind, because even so, we are talking about casualties, REAL people, REAL lives. And of course those who are no more.

We can't handle the future if we lose our patience and ability to stay calm in the face of a storm. Gather strenght for what is coming next.
I have a list of over 800 concentration camps that have been built in America and Canada over the last 10 years. Each has the capacity of about 20.000 people, one is even for 2 MIO. Now add those figures and you can guess that this has been a long time plan. And that is not even counting the underground facilities. This is beyond civil war. This is a round-up.
Peace be with you all
Peter Paul

Don't worry Peter Paul, nothing's beyond my control if that's what you mean.

Regarding me being a bit emotional... well... I am an 'Artist' of the Fourth Generation... so I'm sure I will be forgiven (and perhaps even honoured) for that...


I will keep you posted with regards to Anna's response... still waiting for that one as well....

[edit on 17-12-2005 by Roth Joint]



posted on Dec, 17 2005 @ 04:31 PM
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Originally posted by peterpaul
Roth, please, try to calm down a bit. You're getting way too emotional. Don't keep asking TJW for any proof of any kind, because even so, we are talking about casualties, REAL people, REAL lives. And of course those who are no more.

We can't handle the future if we lose our patience and ability to stay calm in the face of a storm. Gather strenght for what is coming next.
I have a list of over 800 concentration camps that have been built in America and Canada over the last 10 years. Each has the capacity of about 20.000 people, one is even for 2 MIO. Now add those figures and you can guess that this has been a long time plan. And that is not even counting the underground facilities. This is beyond civil war. This is a round-up.
Peace be with you all
Peter Paul


I'd be interested if you could post this list (or at least a fraction of it). Also, where/whom did you get this information from?



posted on Dec, 17 2005 @ 05:21 PM
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Originally posted by Lurch

Originally posted by peterpaul
Roth, please, try to calm down a bit. You're getting way too emotional. Don't keep asking TJW for any proof of any kind, because even so, we are talking about casualties, REAL people, REAL lives. And of course those who are no more.

We can't handle the future if we lose our patience and ability to stay calm in the face of a storm. Gather strenght for what is coming next.
I have a list of over 800 concentration camps that have been built in America and Canada over the last 10 years. Each has the capacity of about 20.000 people, one is even for 2 MIO. Now add those figures and you can guess that this has been a long time plan. And that is not even counting the underground facilities. This is beyond civil war. This is a round-up.
Peace be with you all
Peter Paul


I'd be interested if you could post this list (or at least a fraction of it). Also, where/whom did you get this information from?

Google is your friend...
www.mindfully.org...



posted on Dec, 17 2005 @ 06:55 PM
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Originally posted by Mainer
The removed post is strange, when I have seen mods remove a post they usually comment on it, or leave the contentless post there to be a record. Also as this topic has denegrated to a taser argument it did seem to be on topic.

I put a post about it to board questions and business, although it was moved to complaints.

Thank you Mainer. I found this message from Anna on the internet as well:



www.craigslist.org...
Date: 2005-12-10, 1:37AM PST

I have read all the newspaper articles online I can find. I have spoke to two police officers. My brother, Michael Tolosko is dead after being "subdued" with three shots from a police Taser Gun! I am in shock, my brother was mentally ill, merely 5'8 and couldn't be more then 175 pounds, yet it took FOUR officers to "subdue" him, tie him and KILL him with a TASER?!!!! My brother does not have a history of violence, he had NO weapons on him. Here is a link to one of the articles I found online: www1.pressdemocrat.com.../20051208/NEWS/512080304/1033/NEWS01

My brother will be missed, he is very loved. The family is devistated. This was a wrongful death! I am seeking legal advice or counsel, any help in this matter will be appreciated.


[edit on 17-12-2005 by Roth Joint]



posted on Dec, 17 2005 @ 11:36 PM
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Originally posted by Kingalbrect79
if this turns out to be true, do you think we could fax john a cheesburger as a way to say....

thanks for the heads up?


the cheeseburger would probably scare him to death lol j/p.
anyway ive been saying the entire time that john titors storys evidentally go at least to a degree with meiers stories, just people dont like to read very much in this thread, they see your name and skip your post depending on which "side" your on.



posted on Dec, 18 2005 @ 01:39 AM
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Originally posted by Roth Joint
How dare YOU attacking Vitchilo like that?

Its YOU who deserve ALL the contempt you've shown to return upon your own head. How dare you to deny what you indeed have written.

Please, what was said was between me and vit. Vit I accept your apology, and I too am sorry for maybe going overboard a bit. So I guess we can agree not to stoop down to Roth's level again





Wrong. Another one of your many lies and deceptions. The post from AnnaMC was posted on 17-12-2005 at 12:30 AM
Post Number: 1866136 (post id: 1888029)

If you check AnnaMC's post you'll see that no posts come up anymore, so the post is deleted.

Wow Roth. I didn't say it was definately moved. A lot of times mods will move something to more relevant sections. If that isn't the case here then fine. No one's trying to decieve anyone.
You're just looking for stuff to argue now.




Go ahead... show them to me.... show me those 50+ cases in one city THIS YEAR where a DEFENSELESS UNARMED US citizen was SHOT to death by a US police officer!

Please show them to me those cases where an armed police officer shot to death an unarmed civilian, pregnant woman, child, physically or mentally disabled person or elderly person. I am sure you will not be able to show such cases.

However... "deadly taser cases"... at least 78 this year...

What part of do your own research is so hard to understand? You wanted me to look up where you got your info. I want you to look it up yourself. Then you'd see for yourself.
I can help you out a bit....
Police shoot unarmed man

Police shoot child

Police shoot mental patient
Just google those titles and you'd be set.
If you want specific cities you can google something like "LAPD shootings reports" or something like that. It's not that hard. You're capable of doing this aren't you Roth?

I'm not really sure what you're trying to get at anyway? Do you honestly believe more people are tasered than shot?


Still waiting for an answer also...If the shootings that have occured in the past 100+ years haven't caused a civil war, then why would tasers?



posted on Dec, 18 2005 @ 07:59 AM
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Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird

Originally posted by Roth Joint
How dare YOU attacking Vitchilo like that?

Its YOU who deserve ALL the contempt you've shown to return upon your own head. How dare you to deny what you indeed have written.

Please, what was said was between me and vit. Vit I accept your apology, and I too am sorry for maybe going overboard a bit. So I guess we can agree not to stoop down to Roth's level again


I am happy you are at least able to apologize to Vitchilo for your lowest expression of contempt. It would do you good to be a bit more considerate next time.


Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird

Originally posted by Roth Joint

Go ahead... show them to me.... show me those 50+ cases in one city THIS YEAR where a DEFENSELESS UNARMED US citizen was SHOT to death by a US police officer!

Please show them to me those cases where an armed police officer shot to death an unarmed civilian, pregnant woman, child, physically or mentally disabled person or elderly person. I am sure you will not be able to show such cases.

However... "deadly taser cases"... at least 78 this year...

What part of do your own research is so hard to understand? You wanted me to look up where you got your info. I want you to look it up yourself. Then you'd see for yourself.
I can help you out a bit....
Police shoot unarmed man

You are exactly proving my point here. You give me 3 irrelevant cases. I asked for 50+ relevant cases (or names) this year.

In none of your 3 cases it followed the (at least 78) taser deaths criteria of: a 1) defenseless, unarmed US citizen being 2) killed by a US police officer, 3) this year.

Lets have a look at the first case: Orin R. Antone.

This man was:
1) not shot to death and in stable condition after he was shot
2) wanted on an outstanding parole violation warrant from a previous robbery in California
3) putting his hands under his shirt holding on to some type of object that the officers believed might be a weapon


Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
Police shoot child

The second case is about: Jose Raul Pena.

This man was:
1) armed and involved in a standoff with police and firing wildly at officers threatening to kill his child, his 17-year-old stepdaughter and his wife
2) using his 19 month old child as a human shield whereupon officers accidentally and unintentionally shot the child


Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
Police shoot mental patient

The third case is about: Elvis Ian Iskenderian.

This man was:
1) armed and involved in a standoff with police after he started firing at the Certified Oil gas station in Oberlin, Ohio just before midnight
2) shot himself with a self-inflicted gunshout wound to the head

So you see ThatsJustWeird you have no cases for me. Again, show me those 50+ where a 1) defenseless, unarmed US citizen being was 2) shot to death by a US police officer, 3) this year.

Guns? None…
Tasers? At least 78 this year...


Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
Still waiting for an answer also...If the shootings that have occured in the past 100+ years haven't caused a civil war, then why would tasers?

Because a growing number (at least 78 this year 2005) of unarmed, defenseless US civilians such as children, pregnant women, the physically and/or mentally disabled as well as the elderly were killed and have become victims to unjustified and proven to be lethal and damaging excruciating pain inflicting newly developed tasers which supposed to be "non-lethal" and NOT damaging.

And this all by the hands of their own officers of the law who were supposed to protect them instead of killing and damaging them!

As I have answered before, it has become a national issue now and will grow worse!


[edit on 18-12-2005 by Roth Joint]



posted on Dec, 18 2005 @ 08:18 AM
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Okay, two people so far in this thread have received warnings from me. I am NOT the moderator associated with the AnnaMc post, nor do I know what the reasoning behind its removal is. I will be glad to find out for you or have a moderator of this forum get back with you.

But I will warn EVERY member who accuses a moderator on this board of ill-intentions. And I will warn EVERY member who demands anything of any other moderator on this board.

You guys have gotten way off topic and have lost your cool in the process. I suggest you get a hold of yourselves lest a fairly enjoyable and interesting thread gets locked because of your nonsense.



posted on Dec, 18 2005 @ 08:23 AM
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This thread should resume the topic of John Titor's prediction, or it will be closed.

If you wish to examine the issues related to tazers, please start a new thread.



posted on Dec, 18 2005 @ 08:54 AM
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Originally posted by SkepticOverlord
This thread should resume the topic of John Titor's prediction, or it will be closed.

If you wish to examine the issues related to tazers, please start a new thread.

Dear Moderator,

We are participating democratically in a discussion with regards to John Titor's "predictions" of the American Civil War.

Our interpretation is that the "new non-lethal weapons" appearing to be lethal are a part of that prediction.

We take everything that John Titor mentioned in context. The newly developed M26 and X26 taser as used by our police officers are part of the "new non-lethal weapons" as mentioned by John Titor.

They have proven to be lethal. Furthermore the taser-related deaths follow the criteria of a "WACO-type event" as mentioned by John Titor.

John Titor mentioned WACO-type events because of the misbehavior of law enforcement.


John Titor
"Have you see the documentary on Waco? Just for argument's sake, what do you think would happen if information were discovered that confirmed the worst accusations made against the law enforcement officers there? Would you hope nothing?"


To demand us to stop talking about tasers because YOU think it is irrelevant to John Titor's "prediction" does not mean it is irrelevant in OUR perception and would do injustice to the policy of this board and our properly expressed freedom of speech.

We ask you kindly NOT to make this mistake.



posted on Dec, 18 2005 @ 08:59 AM
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Okay, here is the skinny on the AnnaMC post. It was deleted in error while a moderator was attempting to edit the offensive language out. Since at least two of you have the quoted post in your posts, no information has been lost.

Please take notice that more than likely either a moderator of this forum, or a supermoderator will come along and edit out the the portion of your quotes which were attempts at circumnavigating the language filters. So when that happens...please point your tinfoil hats in another direction. The substance of the quotes will remain intact.

Roth - If you can't figure out what SO is trying to tell you, we may have a slight problem. Arguing over two pages about whether Tazers or guns are a more violent or egregious manner in which to lose your life in an altercation with law enforcement is NOT what the intent of this thread is. I don't think we need to belabor that point anymore.



posted on Dec, 18 2005 @ 09:15 AM
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Originally posted by Valhall
Roth - If you can't figure out what SO is trying to tell you, we may have a slight problem. Arguing over two pages about whether Tazers or guns are a more violent or egregious manner in which to lose your life in an altercation with law enforcement is NOT what the intent of this thread is. I don't think we need to belabor that point anymore.

I hope I may still give solid arguments to strenghten my case against ThatsJustWeird, because that is my right to do so.

I have provided solid arguments as to why I believe Titor's "predictions" are indeed coming true.

Our arguments were all about the topic "The American Civil War of 2005 as predicted by John Titor."

Roth.

[edit on 18-12-2005 by Roth Joint]



posted on Dec, 18 2005 @ 09:17 AM
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Originally posted by Roth Joint
Dear Moderator,

I'm one of the owners of AboveTopSecret.com, LLP.



To demand us to stop talking about tasers because YOU think it is irrelevant to John Titor's "prediction" does not mean it is irrelevant in OUR perception

In an effort to maintain an orderly structure of easily discovered content, the request stands. If you honestly believe your theory to be important, then it will be better served by a new, dedicated thread.



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