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Originally posted by NinjaCodeMonkey
Why is this still a topic? Titor is a joke and has been proven false. Can we move along now people and talk about something more interesting. It's nearly 2006 and nothing has happened proving that Titor was a hoax so if this topic is still active in january then you all are mentally insane.
Once act by one person no matter how small can forever change all of history for everyone. Remeber that.
Originally posted by LDragonFire
Lets get back to basics. What would have to occur in the USA for a civil war to flare up?
1. The economy would have to collapse, with mass unemployment. This would cause the housing bubble to completely burst in America, which I believe has allready started.
2. A Natural Disaster[katrina like, or bird flu pandemic] or a National Disaster[like Terrorizm] With the reaction from the Fed. Gov. being either inept, or to further erode citizens civil rights such as suspending Posse Commutus Act of 1878, or Habius Corpus.
thats all for now what do you think?
Originally posted by XPhiles
syrinx high priest
You know Titor is a singularitarian therefore Dr.Browns little lesson in electrons is just a lesson and nothing more. Titor speaks about technological progress that changes human history, therefore again current technology is not up to speed to explain away the Titor story. There is really nothing to argue about and nothing more to prove.
As I said before, Why would I want to challenge Dr.Brown's own BH hypothesis, it is not scientific theory or fact.
specifically let me know where he is incorrect, supporting evidence would be appreciated
> His suitcase contains TWO of these? He carried this suitcase on a 67
> Chevy? Man, they must put a hell of a suspension in those babies...
There is no mention of a suitcase in the Titor story? And carrying two of what?
An electron or quark is NOT made up (so far as we can tell) of smaller
> particles glued together. As far as we can tell,.
"As far as we can tell" now is that not a silly answer lol.
> So why say his BH's are the "size of an electron"
John Titor does not go into detail on this. Though....According to Einstein's Relativity (the theory that predicts, and explains most of the features of black holes), there is no lower limit to the size of black holes.
How many PhD's are supporting titor specifically, and have stated they read his posts and think he's legit ? My one is better than your zero.
So now you have Dr.Brown and I have Einstein. Ha
ok enough HA's lol
[edit on 1-12-2005 by XPhiles]
Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
Originally posted by LDragonFire
Lets get back to basics. What would have to occur in the USA for a civil war to flare up?
1. The economy would have to collapse, with mass unemployment. This would cause the housing bubble to completely burst in America, which I believe has allready started.
2. A Natural Disaster[katrina like, or bird flu pandemic] or a National Disaster[like Terrorizm] With the reaction from the Fed. Gov. being either inept, or to further erode citizens civil rights such as suspending Posse Commutus Act of 1878, or Habius Corpus.
thats all for now what do you think?
Finally you come close to getting it.
The economy would have to collapse....and collapse huge! I'm talking about so big that it'll make people wish it were the Great Depression.
And the Natural Disaster would not only have to make the reaction to the Fed Gov inept but the Gov itself inept. That'll create a power void.
With a country this big, with this many people, this advanced, and have as much influence in world affairs there's just no other way for a civil war to pop up. The worldwide PTB wouldn't allow it.
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December 6, 2005
President fighting war at home, too
The Bush administration recently engaged in a nasty offensive against critics of the Iraq war, particularly congressional Democrats. It was the wrong approach, and it targeted the wrong people. Congressional Democrats are not President Bush's big problem regarding the war in Iraq. His big problem is that he's losing the support of the American people.
Critics of the war were pronounced irresponsible, even lacking in backbone. They were said to be sending the wrong message to U.S. troops and the enemy, a not-so-subtle way of saying it is unpatriotic to question or criticize the president regarding the war. The administration's attack was a political mistake because it also effectively tarred many of the American people, who have been turning against the war and the president in growing numbers all year.
Rising public opposition to Bush and the war cannot be ignored, and it has a lot of Republicans running scared. With midterm elections less than a year away, Bush will be under increasing pressure from within his own party to pull a significant number of troops out of Iraq in 2006. Some people believe the groundwork is being laid to do exactly that. This newspaper, for the most part, has supported the war, and it still does. Whatever mistakes have been made heretofore, it is not in our national interest for Iraq to descend into a civil war that might pull neighboring countries into the fray and engulf much of the Middle East.
However, we do not question the courage or patriotism of the increasing numbers of Americans opposed to the war, and we think it not only wrong but politically unwise of the president, vice president and their surrogates to do so. One of the great lessons of the Vietnam War was that the U.S. government cannot successfully pursue a war without the support of the American people. Clearly, Bush has been losing support for America's Iraq presence all year, and we have our doubts that the trend will or can be reversed.
The question is, how much time does the president have to either show some real progress in Iraq or convince the American people that it is in their interest to maintain our presence in that country for as long as it takes to stabilize it?
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November 9, 2005
Normalising genocide
So far, 2,000 U.S. soldiers have been killed since the March 2003 illegal and unprovoked U.S. war on Iraq. The number has been meticulously pronounced and printed in every Western media outlet. What about the hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi men, women and children who have been needlessly massacred by the combined U.S.-British sanctions and war? It is a deliberate genocide.
With the exception of the war on the former Republic of Yugoslavia (Serbia)--an Orthodox nation--U.S. wars of aggression have been consistently against defenceless people of colour. "They are the poor of the planet, being made poorer, dominated and exploited by the foreign policy of the U.S. and its rich allies designed for domination, exploitation and triage," wrote Ramsey Clark, former U.S. attorney general in the Carter Administration.
Originally posted by syrinx high priest
the funny thing about the previous post, is titor couldn't even name a 2 term president, and a leader destined to become as notorious as any in US history. huh
and you shouldn't place unwavering belief in titor either eh ?
Originally posted by Roth Joint
Originally posted by syrinx high priest
the funny thing about the previous post, is titor couldn't even name a 2 term president, and a leader destined to become as notorious as any in US history. huh
and you shouldn't place unwavering belief in titor either eh ?
I think Titor couldn't have made a more perfect description of the 2 term president when he said: "The President or "leader" in 2005 I believe tried desperately to be the next Lincoln and hold the country together but many of their policies drove a larger wedge into the Bill of Rights.
Originally posted by syrinx high priest
Originally posted by Roth Joint
Originally posted by syrinx high priest
the funny thing about the previous post, is titor couldn't even name a 2 term president, and a leader destined to become as notorious as any in US history. huh
and you shouldn't place unwavering belief in titor either eh ?
I think Titor couldn't have made a more perfect description of the 2 term president when he said: "The President or "leader" in 2005 I believe tried desperately to be the next Lincoln and hold the country together but many of their policies drove a larger wedge into the Bill of Rights.
you're right ! I was just debating in a bar the other night with a dozen people how W reminds everyone of Lincoln ! the similarities are incredible ! wow, thats just spooky......only a time traveller from 2036 could have seen that one coming.....amazing
[edit on 6-12-2005 by syrinx high priest]
[edit on 6-12-2005 by syrinx high priest]
www.chicagotribune.com...
Bush celebrates Lincoln with call for world liberty
April 20, 2005
Using the dedication of the new Abraham Lincoln Presidential Museum as a backdrop, President Bush Tuesday likened his own push to spread liberty around the globe to the 16th president's struggle to emancipate slaves during the Civil War.
Bush, who considers Lincoln his favorite president and keeps a bust of him in the Oval Office, was joined on the dais by a range of Illinois political luminaries of both parties--among them Republican House Speaker Dennis Hastert of Plano, Illinois' two Democratic senators, Minority Whip Dick Durbin and Barack Obama, and Democratic Gov. Rod Blagojevich.
"In a small way, I can relate to the rail-splitter from out West because he had a way of speaking that was not always appreciated by the newspapers back East," said Bush, whose malaprops are sometimes fodder for the media.
"A New York Times story on his first inaugural address reported that Mr. Lincoln was lucky `it was not the constitution of the English language and the laws of English grammar that he was called upon to support,'" said Bush, pausing for laughter. "I think that fellow is still writing for the Times."
But Bush also used his remarks to draw a deeper parallel between his wartime presidency and that of Lincoln's.
Originally posted by Roth Joint
Originally posted by syrinx high priest
Originally posted by Roth Joint
Originally posted by syrinx high priest
the funny thing about the previous post, is titor couldn't even name a 2 term president, and a leader destined to become as notorious as any in US history. huh
and you shouldn't place unwavering belief in titor either eh ?
I think Titor couldn't have made a more perfect description of the 2 term president when he said: "The President or "leader" in 2005 I believe tried desperately to be the next Lincoln and hold the country together but many of their policies drove a larger wedge into the Bill of Rights.
you're right ! I was just debating in a bar the other night with a dozen people how W reminds everyone of Lincoln ! the similarities are incredible ! wow, thats just spooky......only a time traveller from 2036 could have seen that one coming.....amazing
[edit on 6-12-2005 by syrinx high priest]
[edit on 6-12-2005 by syrinx high priest]
I am sure your bar mates will still be very impressed by our very promising presidential post 9-11 "leader".....
Perhaps with a little more beers it might also still be possible (this year 2005) to hang onto that "unwavering belief" back then... but I am afraid the only (after) effect that will remain will be a huge hangover.
Cheers!
Originally posted by junglejake
I'm going to make a prediction of my own.
By March of 2005, after all of the "I told you so"s, this thread will die.
Thank you. Just U2U me with any requests to send donations, and I will provide information on where to send your gifts.
The Great Jungle
Originally posted by junglejake
Mr. Titor predicted a civil war in the US in 2005. With the same qualifications Mr. Titor has (i.e. none), I'm going to make a prediction of my own.
By March of 2006, after all of the "I told you so"s, this thread will die.
Thank you. Just U2U me with any requests to send donations, and I will provide information on where to send your gifts.
The Great Jungle
Originally posted by syrinx high priest
Ok, maybe you can list all of the similarities between W and Abe, or maybe find one example of someone comparing the two ?
www.chicagotribune.com...
Bush celebrates Lincoln with call for world liberty
April 20, 2005
Using the dedication of the new Abraham Lincoln Presidential Museum as a backdrop, President Bush Tuesday likened his own push to spread liberty around the globe to the 16th president's struggle to emancipate slaves during the Civil War.
Bush, who considers Lincoln his favorite president and keeps a bust of him in the Oval Office, was joined on the dais by a range of Illinois political luminaries of both parties--among them Republican House Speaker Dennis Hastert of Plano, Illinois' two Democratic senators, Minority Whip Dick Durbin and Barack Obama, and Democratic Gov. Rod Blagojevich.
"In a small way, I can relate to the rail-splitter from out West because he had a way of speaking that was not always appreciated by the newspapers back East," said Bush, whose malaprops are sometimes fodder for the media.
"A New York Times story on his first inaugural address reported that Mr. Lincoln was lucky `it was not the constitution of the English language and the laws of English grammar that he was called upon to support,'" said Bush, pausing for laughter. "I think that fellow is still writing for the Times."
But Bush also used his remarks to draw a deeper parallel between his wartime presidency and that of Lincoln's.
Originally posted by syrinx high priest
OK, now you're pulling my leg right ? I'm not the brightest bulb in the chandelier, but I'm sure you weren't serious with that last post
right ?
But Bush also used his remarks to draw a deeper parallel between his wartime presidency and that of Lincoln's.
"Our deepest values are also served when we take our part in freedom's advance--when the chains of millions are broken and the captives are set free, because we are honored to serve the cause that gave us birth," Bush said. "... We see that example and courage today in Afghanistan and Kyrgyzstan, Ukraine, Georgia and Iraq."
www.presidentlincoln.com...
Is George W. Bush the Next Abraham Lincoln?
Today President Lincoln is regarded as America's greatest President. Yet, he wasn't all that popular at the time of his Presidency. "Comparisons between living Presidents and Lincoln always favor Lincoln," says Dr. Gene Griessman, an expert on Lincoln and author of "The Words Lincoln Lived By." He details what George W. Bush and Abraham Lincoln have in common, as well as how they differ.
Similarities
Bush is a Republican.
Lincoln was a Republican, and the first Republican to be elected President.
Bush has strong ties to the South. He owns a ranch in Texas, his brother is Governor of Florida, and his father owns a residence in Houston.
Lincoln had strong ties to the South. He was born in Kentucky, as was his wife, and he maintained close ties with friends in that state throughout his life.
Neither Bush nor Lincoln was elected to the presidency by a majority of the popular vote
Both Bush and Lincoln chose seasoned men as their Secretaries of State. Lincoln chose William Seward, former Governor of NY. Bush chose Colin Powell, former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
Bush took few trips outside the United States prior to his presidency.
Lincoln had no international experience. His only trip outside American borders was to the Canadian side of Niagara Falls.
Both Bush and Lincoln made plain statements advocating racial and religious tolerance, Bush made strong statements about anti-Muslim bigotry just after 9/11; he repudiating Trent Lott’s comments about Strom Thurman. At one point in cabinet discussions after 9/11, Attorney-general Ashcroft stated: “We’re thinking about a national neighborhood watch system.” People would call in to report strange behavior. The President replied: “Make sure you don’t launch an anti-Arab backlash in this country.” (Woodward, p. 169) Lincoln became an outspoken opponent of slavery early in his political career and came to national prominence opposing its spread in the Lincoln-Douglas debates.
Lincoln often expressed a fatalistic attitude about his personal safety. “I shall continue till my work is done, and no earthly power can prevent it.” For Lincoln, it was a sense of destiny. “What is to be will be,” he often said.
Bush: “If it’s meant to be, it’s going to happen. And therefore there’s no need to try to hide from a terrorist.” (Woodward, p. 172)
Lincoln could use graphic language. In a message to General Grant, he wrote: “Hold on with a bull-dog grip, and chew and choke as much as possible.” (Griessman, p. 38)
Bush to Vice President Chaney: “We’re going to find out who did this, and we’re going to kick their asses.” (Woodward, p. 18)
Bush has been actively involved in athletics. He never was a varsity player like his father, but he loves physical activity, and is an avid jogger. He once owned a stake in the Texas Rangers.
Lincoln was a champion wrestler, and liked to play an early version of baseball.
Bush is a Bible reader , and frequently acknowledges the importance of God's will in human affairs and in his personal life. (Frum, pp. 3,4) Lincoln was a Bible reader and acknowledged the role of Divine Providence in human affairs.
John Titor
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December 6, 2005 - KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- The Jackson County Prosecutor's Office has decided to drop the charges against a man who was repeatedly stun with a Taser gun by police.
In July, officers stopped Matthew Butt for allegedly driving a stolen truck. A videotape from a police cruiser showed the officers using a Taser gun on Butt while he was handcuffed.
Two officers lost their jobs over the incident.
Now, prosecutors have decided to dismiss the charge against Butt.
Originally posted by syrinx high priest
so instead of adressing the estimate of 2 billion metric tons, you quibble over a suitcase ? that was one way to go I guess.
as expected, you avoided addressing the post directly, and resorted to a weak attempt at humor. I am very disappointed, I was looking forward to a good debate on the science of the matter. Oh well, how about the gravitational field dilemma ? How do you keep a BH apart from earths MF ?
Originally posted by XPhiles
Originally posted by syrinx high priest
so instead of adressing the estimate of 2 billion metric tons, you quibble over a suitcase ? that was one way to go I guess.
as expected, you avoided addressing the post directly, and resorted to a weak attempt at humor. I am very disappointed, I was looking forward to a good debate on the science of the matter. Oh well, how about the gravitational field dilemma ? How do you keep a BH apart from earths MF ?
Lao-Tzu pronounced: "The best knowledge is not knowledge of what you know"
The Earth magnetic field would be to weak compared to a blackhole to keep apart.....Though..that is depending on the dimensions of a blackhole.....Hey! What is the weight of these micro-singularities when manipulated into a spin? If we know this, it may be very easy to keep them protected from earth magnetic field.... As of now nothing like this has ever been observed. So there you go..2 billion metric tons out the window lol....
In Titors case he use a counterbalance with a magnetic field, that corrects out any influence of the Earth's magnetic field. Thus he uses a magnetic housing for this. The unit sensors probably corrects any separation of variables like X(x), Y(y), ..., then pushing them back into their origin, since matter, space, and time are linked together, they are not totally confined from each other in Titor's machine..... Dr.Brown seems to think it is totally confined from these variables.
Someone once said " The more successes the quantum physics gains, the more senseless it looks".