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The American Civil War of 2005 as predicted by John Titor

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posted on Dec, 4 2005 @ 01:51 PM
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Originally posted by NinjaCodeMonkey
Why is this still a topic? Titor is a joke and has been proven false. Can we move along now people and talk about something more interesting. It's nearly 2006 and nothing has happened proving that Titor was a hoax so if this topic is still active in january then you all are mentally insane.


I believe telling people to 'move on' because one is not interested in the subject matter is wrong. i see many, many threads about many, many subjects which could be of interest to a person and therefore some which could be concentrated upon nd others (which don't interest one) can be skipped.

it makes me unhappy to be told what i may post to except by a moderator.

i'm also uncomfortable at being told i'm 'mentally insane' if i'm posting/reading this thread n January. what a blanket statement with little respect for fellow posters that be! :shock:

the concept of 'live and let live' occurs to me. i'm not trying to flame here. i'm peeved someone, out of the blue, should include me in the 'mentally insane'. and i believe such an accusation deserves an answer.

it's possible the poster who levelled this accusation doesn't understand an enormous swathe of folk would believe those of us who post/read this site are 'mentally insane'.


i have never understood why people need to control postings when it doesn't interest them anyway. let threads die the death if they are of no interest.

'talk about something more interesting'? there are loads of interesting threads on this site.

alternatively, one can always start a thread and see what it yields . . .




posted on Dec, 5 2005 @ 12:17 AM
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Once act by one person no matter how small can forever change all of history for everyone. Remeber that.


Good point!
We have no way of knowing when the "John Titor Time_Traveler" was growing up if this thread existed. However, it Does Exist Now, and the discussion about Titor's story are here and have been for a few years. We have no way of knowing what impact these dicussions are having on this Time Line, here and now.

The Civil War predicted by Titor does not seem to be happening right now, However the conditions are all around us for one to occur. And again there is no way of knowing the effect this thread and other threads, websites...ect...ect will have in our near future about Titor's predictions.

Lets get back to basics. What would have to occur in the USA for a civil war to flare up?

1. The economy would have to collapse, with mass unemployment. This would cause the housing bubble to completely burst in America, which I believe has allready started.
2. A Natural Disaster[katrina like, or bird flu pandemic] or a National Disaster[like Terrorizm] With the reaction from the Fed. Gov. being either inept, or to further erode citizens civil rights such as suspending Posse Commutus Act of 1878, or Habius Corpus.

thats all for now what do you think?



posted on Dec, 5 2005 @ 10:54 AM
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Originally posted by LDragonFire
Lets get back to basics. What would have to occur in the USA for a civil war to flare up?

1. The economy would have to collapse, with mass unemployment. This would cause the housing bubble to completely burst in America, which I believe has allready started.
2. A Natural Disaster[katrina like, or bird flu pandemic] or a National Disaster[like Terrorizm] With the reaction from the Fed. Gov. being either inept, or to further erode citizens civil rights such as suspending Posse Commutus Act of 1878, or Habius Corpus.

thats all for now what do you think?

Finally you come close to getting it.
The economy would have to collapse....and collapse huge! I'm talking about so big that it'll make people wish it were the Great Depression.
And the Natural Disaster would not only have to make the reaction to the Fed Gov inept but the Gov itself inept. That'll create a power void.
With a country this big, with this many people, this advanced, and have as much influence in world affairs there's just no other way for a civil war to pop up. The worldwide PTB wouldn't allow it.



posted on Dec, 5 2005 @ 11:23 AM
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Originally posted by XPhiles
syrinx high priest

You know Titor is a singularitarian therefore Dr.Browns little lesson in electrons is just a lesson and nothing more. Titor speaks about technological progress that changes human history, therefore again current technology is not up to speed to explain away the Titor story. There is really nothing to argue about and nothing more to prove.


As I said before, Why would I want to challenge Dr.Brown's own BH hypothesis, it is not scientific theory or fact.


specifically let me know where he is incorrect, supporting evidence would be appreciated




> His suitcase contains TWO of these? He carried this suitcase on a 67
> Chevy? Man, they must put a hell of a suspension in those babies...

There is no mention of a suitcase in the Titor story? And carrying two of what?


An electron or quark is NOT made up (so far as we can tell) of smaller
> particles glued together. As far as we can tell,.


"As far as we can tell" now is that not a silly answer lol.


> So why say his BH's are the "size of an electron"

John Titor does not go into detail on this. Though....According to Einstein's Relativity (the theory that predicts, and explains most of the features of black holes), there is no lower limit to the size of black holes.


How many PhD's are supporting titor specifically, and have stated they read his posts and think he's legit ? My one is better than your zero.


So now you have Dr.Brown and I have Einstein. Ha

ok enough HA's lol




[edit on 1-12-2005 by XPhiles]


so instead of adressing the estimate of 2 billion metric tons, you quibble over a suitcase ? that was one way to go I guess.

as expected, you avoided addressing the post directly, and resorted to a weak attempt at humor. I am very disappointed, I was looking forward to a good debate on the science of the matter. Oh well, how about the gravitational field dilemma ? How do you keep a BH apart from earths MF ?

"Then there is the even more interesting question: Fine, perhaps they
> have new materials. Maybe the case has synthetic diamond struts in
> the bottom, laced into a steel cementation so that one cm of thickness
> is enough to support a metric ton without any sort of localized
> bracing or structural forms, spread out over may 100 cm^2.
>
> EVEN SO, INSIDE of those little BH container are the BH's themselves.
> They have to be held, far from any contact with matter, by means of
> raw E&M forces (unless we're going to suggest new physics, and new
> physics here would be indefensible I assure you).
>
> The mere thought of this has me ROTFL. Seriously. I >>teach graduate E&M, and I assure you that the problem of magnetic
> confinement of thermonuclear plasmas is child's play compared to the
> problem of confining an object 10^-25 meters across with a metric ton
> of mass against the Earth's gravitational field, the presumed motion
> of the long-suffering Chevy pickup truck (gawd, accelerations in
> arbitrary
> directions!) and so forth. You see, all the fields involved have to
> satisfy the laplace equation, and this means that it is almost
> impossible to create an even weakly attractive region capable of
> suspending wimpy things like atoms that is STABLE in both a vertical
> direction and its transverse plane. Try suspending the equivalent of a
> small car not on the . of a pin, not on an atom, not on a classical
> ELECTRON, but on an area that aspires to be a mathematical point. Ho,
> excuse me, I have to wipe my eyes again. Really, a delicious picture.
> I'd sooner believe in the time travel part."



posted on Dec, 6 2005 @ 05:53 AM
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Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird

Originally posted by LDragonFire
Lets get back to basics. What would have to occur in the USA for a civil war to flare up?

1. The economy would have to collapse, with mass unemployment. This would cause the housing bubble to completely burst in America, which I believe has allready started.
2. A Natural Disaster[katrina like, or bird flu pandemic] or a National Disaster[like Terrorizm] With the reaction from the Fed. Gov. being either inept, or to further erode citizens civil rights such as suspending Posse Commutus Act of 1878, or Habius Corpus.

thats all for now what do you think?

Finally you come close to getting it.
The economy would have to collapse....and collapse huge! I'm talking about so big that it'll make people wish it were the Great Depression.
And the Natural Disaster would not only have to make the reaction to the Fed Gov inept but the Gov itself inept. That'll create a power void.
With a country this big, with this many people, this advanced, and have as much influence in world affairs there's just no other way for a civil war to pop up. The worldwide PTB wouldn't allow it.

Causes of the Civil War: A Balanced Answer

What caused the [first] American Civil War? It is amazing that even today, over 130 years after the Civil War started, there is passionate debate regarding the "cause" of the Civil War. Consider this:

It is a fact that when the armies for the North and South were first formed, only a small minority of the soldiers on either side would have declared that the reason they joined the army was to fight either "for" or "against" slavery.

However, equally true is the statement: "Had there been no slavery, there would have been no war. Had there been no moral condemnation of slavery, there would have been no war." (This was made by Sydney E. Ahlstrome, in his monumental study of religion in America A Religious History of the American People, Yale University Press,1972, on p. 649)

The message here is that the reasons a nation goes to war are usually various and complicated. The American Civil War is no exception.

URL
members.tripod.com...

You think only a huge economic collapse can ignite a civil war? Think again...



posted on Dec, 6 2005 @ 06:27 AM
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John Titor
"It is a mistake to give anyone your unwavering belief...but you will find that out yourself in 2005."
"Again, it's hard to judge good and bad outcomes, only good and bad decisions."
"Real disruptions in world events begin with the destabilization of the West as a result of degrading US foreign policy and consistency."


www.2t.vocate.com...
December 6, 2005
President fighting war at home, too

The Bush administration recently engaged in a nasty offensive against critics of the Iraq war, particularly congressional Democrats. It was the wrong approach, and it targeted the wrong people. Congressional Democrats are not President Bush's big problem regarding the war in Iraq. His big problem is that he's losing the support of the American people.

Critics of the war were pronounced irresponsible, even lacking in backbone. They were said to be sending the wrong message to U.S. troops and the enemy, a not-so-subtle way of saying it is unpatriotic to question or criticize the president regarding the war. The administration's attack was a political mistake because it also effectively tarred many of the American people, who have been turning against the war and the president in growing numbers all year.

Rising public opposition to Bush and the war cannot be ignored, and it has a lot of Republicans running scared
. With midterm elections less than a year away, Bush will be under increasing pressure from within his own party to pull a significant number of troops out of Iraq in 2006. Some people believe the groundwork is being laid to do exactly that. This newspaper, for the most part, has supported the war, and it still does. Whatever mistakes have been made heretofore, it is not in our national interest for Iraq to descend into a civil war that might pull neighboring countries into the fray and engulf much of the Middle East.

However, we do not question the courage or patriotism of the increasing numbers of Americans opposed to the war, and we think it not only wrong but politically unwise of the president, vice president and their surrogates to do so. One of the great lessons of the Vietnam War was that the U.S. government cannot successfully pursue a war without the support of the American people. Clearly, Bush has been losing support for America's Iraq presence all year, and we have our doubts that the trend will or can be reversed.

The question is, how much time does the president have to either show some real progress in Iraq or convince the American people that it is in their interest to maintain our presence in that country for as long as it takes to stabilize it?



onlinejournal.com...
November 9, 2005
Normalising genocide
So far, 2,000 U.S. soldiers have been killed since the March 2003 illegal and unprovoked U.S. war on Iraq. The number has been meticulously pronounced and printed in every Western media outlet. What about the hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi men, women and children who have been needlessly massacred by the combined U.S.-British sanctions and war? It is a deliberate genocide.

With the exception of the war on the former Republic of Yugoslavia (Serbia)--an Orthodox nation--U.S. wars of aggression have been consistently against defenceless people of colour. "They are the poor of the planet, being made poorer, dominated and exploited by the foreign policy of the U.S. and its rich allies designed for domination, exploitation and triage," wrote Ramsey Clark, former U.S. attorney general in the Carter Administration.


[edit on 6-12-2005 by Roth Joint]



posted on Dec, 6 2005 @ 07:56 AM
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the funny thing about the previous post, is titor couldn't even name a 2 term president, and a leader destined to become as notorious as any in US history. huh


and you shouldn't place unwavering belief in titor either eh ?




posted on Dec, 6 2005 @ 09:05 AM
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Originally posted by syrinx high priest
the funny thing about the previous post, is titor couldn't even name a 2 term president, and a leader destined to become as notorious as any in US history. huh

and you shouldn't place unwavering belief in titor either eh ?


I think Titor couldn't have made a more perfect description of the 2 term president when he said: "The President or "leader" in 2005 I believe tried desperately to be the next Lincoln and hold the country together but many of their policies drove a larger wedge into the Bill of Rights.



posted on Dec, 6 2005 @ 09:55 AM
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Originally posted by Roth Joint

Originally posted by syrinx high priest
the funny thing about the previous post, is titor couldn't even name a 2 term president, and a leader destined to become as notorious as any in US history. huh

and you shouldn't place unwavering belief in titor either eh ?


I think Titor couldn't have made a more perfect description of the 2 term president when he said: "The President or "leader" in 2005 I believe tried desperately to be the next Lincoln and hold the country together but many of their policies drove a larger wedge into the Bill of Rights.


you're right ! I was just debating in a bar the other night with a dozen people how W reminds everyone of Lincoln ! the similarities are incredible ! wow, thats just spooky......only a time traveller from 2036 could have seen that one coming.....amazing

[edit on 6-12-2005 by syrinx high priest]

[edit on 6-12-2005 by syrinx high priest]



posted on Dec, 6 2005 @ 11:09 AM
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Originally posted by syrinx high priest

Originally posted by Roth Joint

Originally posted by syrinx high priest
the funny thing about the previous post, is titor couldn't even name a 2 term president, and a leader destined to become as notorious as any in US history. huh

and you shouldn't place unwavering belief in titor either eh ?


I think Titor couldn't have made a more perfect description of the 2 term president when he said: "The President or "leader" in 2005 I believe tried desperately to be the next Lincoln and hold the country together but many of their policies drove a larger wedge into the Bill of Rights.


you're right ! I was just debating in a bar the other night with a dozen people how W reminds everyone of Lincoln ! the similarities are incredible ! wow, thats just spooky......only a time traveller from 2036 could have seen that one coming.....amazing

[edit on 6-12-2005 by syrinx high priest]

[edit on 6-12-2005 by syrinx high priest]

No, John Titor was right.

Ofcourse G.W. Bush will have to keep on trying....




www.chicagotribune.com...
Bush celebrates Lincoln with call for world liberty
April 20, 2005
Using the dedication of the new Abraham Lincoln Presidential Museum as a backdrop, President Bush Tuesday likened his own push to spread liberty around the globe to the 16th president's struggle to emancipate slaves during the Civil War.

Bush, who considers Lincoln his favorite president and keeps a bust of him in the Oval Office, was joined on the dais by a range of Illinois political luminaries of both parties--among them Republican House Speaker Dennis Hastert of Plano, Illinois' two Democratic senators, Minority Whip Dick Durbin and Barack Obama, and Democratic Gov. Rod Blagojevich.

"In a small way, I can relate to the rail-splitter from out West because he had a way of speaking that was not always appreciated by the newspapers back East," said Bush, whose malaprops are sometimes fodder for the media.

"A New York Times story on his first inaugural address reported that Mr. Lincoln was lucky `it was not the constitution of the English language and the laws of English grammar that he was called upon to support,'" said Bush, pausing for laughter. "I think that fellow is still writing for the Times."

But Bush also used his remarks to draw a deeper parallel between his wartime presidency and that of Lincoln's.


I am sure your bar mates will still be very impressed by our very promising presidential post 9-11 "leader".....

Perhaps with a little more beers it might also still be possible (this year 2005) to hang onto that "unwavering belief" back then... but I am afraid the only (after) effect that will remain will be a huge hangover.


Cheers!


[edit on 6-12-2005 by Roth Joint]



posted on Dec, 6 2005 @ 11:13 AM
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Mr. Titor predicted a civil war in the US in 2005. With the same qualifications Mr. Titor has (i.e. none), I'm going to make a prediction of my own.

By March of 2006, after all of the "I told you so"s, this thread will die.

Thank you. Just U2U me with any requests to send donations, and I will provide information on where to send your gifts.

The Great Jungle

[edit on 12-6-2005 by junglejake]



posted on Dec, 6 2005 @ 11:17 AM
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Originally posted by Roth Joint

Originally posted by syrinx high priest

Originally posted by Roth Joint

Originally posted by syrinx high priest
the funny thing about the previous post, is titor couldn't even name a 2 term president, and a leader destined to become as notorious as any in US history. huh

and you shouldn't place unwavering belief in titor either eh ?


I think Titor couldn't have made a more perfect description of the 2 term president when he said: "The President or "leader" in 2005 I believe tried desperately to be the next Lincoln and hold the country together but many of their policies drove a larger wedge into the Bill of Rights.


you're right ! I was just debating in a bar the other night with a dozen people how W reminds everyone of Lincoln ! the similarities are incredible ! wow, thats just spooky......only a time traveller from 2036 could have seen that one coming.....amazing

[edit on 6-12-2005 by syrinx high priest]

[edit on 6-12-2005 by syrinx high priest]

I am sure your bar mates will still be very impressed by our very promising presidential post 9-11 "leader".....

Perhaps with a little more beers it might also still be possible (this year 2005) to hang onto that "unwavering belief" back then... but I am afraid the only (after) effect that will remain will be a huge hangover.


Cheers!


Ok, maybe you can list all of the similarities between W and Abe, or maybe find one example of someone comparing the two ?

1)



posted on Dec, 6 2005 @ 11:18 AM
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Originally posted by junglejake

I'm going to make a prediction of my own.

By March of 2005, after all of the "I told you so"s, this thread will die.

Thank you. Just U2U me with any requests to send donations, and I will provide information on where to send your gifts.

The Great Jungle


It's now Dec. of 2005.
If you're going to make predictions about the past at least make correct ones.



posted on Dec, 6 2005 @ 11:26 AM
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Originally posted by junglejake
Mr. Titor predicted a civil war in the US in 2005. With the same qualifications Mr. Titor has (i.e. none), I'm going to make a prediction of my own.

By March of 2006, after all of the "I told you so"s, this thread will die.

Thank you. Just U2U me with any requests to send donations, and I will provide information on where to send your gifts.

The Great Jungle



I have no idea what you're talking about, dbates. We're living in 2005, my friend...Not 2006...Maybe it's time to lay off the pipe...



posted on Dec, 6 2005 @ 11:27 AM
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Originally posted by syrinx high priest
Ok, maybe you can list all of the similarities between W and Abe, or maybe find one example of someone comparing the two ?

Oke, lets hear it from G.W. himself again:



www.chicagotribune.com...
Bush celebrates Lincoln with call for world liberty
April 20, 2005
Using the dedication of the new Abraham Lincoln Presidential Museum as a backdrop, President Bush Tuesday likened his own push to spread liberty around the globe to the 16th president's struggle to emancipate slaves during the Civil War.

Bush, who considers Lincoln his favorite president and keeps a bust of him in the Oval Office, was joined on the dais by a range of Illinois political luminaries of both parties--among them Republican House Speaker Dennis Hastert of Plano, Illinois' two Democratic senators, Minority Whip Dick Durbin and Barack Obama, and Democratic Gov. Rod Blagojevich.

"In a small way, I can relate to the rail-splitter from out West because he had a way of speaking that was not always appreciated by the newspapers back East," said Bush, whose malaprops are sometimes fodder for the media.

"A New York Times story on his first inaugural address reported that Mr. Lincoln was lucky `it was not the constitution of the English language and the laws of English grammar that he was called upon to support,'" said Bush, pausing for laughter. "I think that fellow is still writing for the Times."

But Bush also used his remarks to draw a deeper parallel between his wartime presidency and that of Lincoln's.


Cheers!


[edit on 6-12-2005 by Roth Joint]



posted on Dec, 6 2005 @ 01:07 PM
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OK, now you're pulling my leg right ? I'm not the brightest bulb in the chandelier, but I'm sure you weren't serious with that last post


right ?



posted on Dec, 6 2005 @ 04:29 PM
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Originally posted by syrinx high priest
OK, now you're pulling my leg right ? I'm not the brightest bulb in the chandelier, but I'm sure you weren't serious with that last post

right ?

O no, don't tell me the Chicago Tribune is another satirical newspaper...

Though I favor you lots of moments with a good laugh, I hate to disappoint you this time... George W. Bush is deadly serious and compares himself to Lincoln:



But Bush also used his remarks to draw a deeper parallel between his wartime presidency and that of Lincoln's.

"Our deepest values are also served when we take our part in freedom's advance--when the chains of millions are broken and the captives are set free, because we are honored to serve the cause that gave us birth," Bush said. "... We see that example and courage today in Afghanistan and Kyrgyzstan, Ukraine, Georgia and Iraq."


And this one is nice too...



www.presidentlincoln.com...
Is George W. Bush the Next Abraham Lincoln?

Today President Lincoln is regarded as America's greatest President. Yet, he wasn't all that popular at the time of his Presidency. "Comparisons between living Presidents and Lincoln always favor Lincoln," says Dr. Gene Griessman, an expert on Lincoln and author of "The Words Lincoln Lived By." He details what George W. Bush and Abraham Lincoln have in common, as well as how they differ.
Similarities

Bush is a Republican.
Lincoln was a Republican, and the first Republican to be elected President.

Bush has strong ties to the South. He owns a ranch in Texas, his brother is Governor of Florida, and his father owns a residence in Houston.
Lincoln had strong ties to the South. He was born in Kentucky, as was his wife, and he maintained close ties with friends in that state throughout his life.

Neither Bush nor Lincoln was elected to the presidency by a majority of the popular vote

Both Bush and Lincoln chose seasoned men as their Secretaries of State. Lincoln chose William Seward, former Governor of NY. Bush chose Colin Powell, former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

Bush took few trips outside the United States prior to his presidency.
Lincoln had no international experience. His only trip outside American borders was to the Canadian side of Niagara Falls.

Both Bush and Lincoln made plain statements advocating racial and religious tolerance, Bush made strong statements about anti-Muslim bigotry just after 9/11; he repudiating Trent Lott’s comments about Strom Thurman. At one point in cabinet discussions after 9/11, Attorney-general Ashcroft stated: “We’re thinking about a national neighborhood watch system.” People would call in to report strange behavior. The President replied: “Make sure you don’t launch an anti-Arab backlash in this country.” (Woodward, p. 169) Lincoln became an outspoken opponent of slavery early in his political career and came to national prominence opposing its spread in the Lincoln-Douglas debates.

Lincoln often expressed a fatalistic attitude about his personal safety. “I shall continue till my work is done, and no earthly power can prevent it.” For Lincoln, it was a sense of destiny. “What is to be will be,” he often said.
Bush: “If it’s meant to be, it’s going to happen. And therefore there’s no need to try to hide from a terrorist.” (Woodward, p. 172)

Lincoln could use graphic language. In a message to General Grant, he wrote: “Hold on with a bull-dog grip, and chew and choke as much as possible.” (Griessman, p. 38)
Bush to Vice President Chaney: “We’re going to find out who did this, and we’re going to kick their asses.” (Woodward, p. 18)

Bush has been actively involved in athletics. He never was a varsity player like his father, but he loves physical activity, and is an avid jogger. He once owned a stake in the Texas Rangers.
Lincoln was a champion wrestler, and liked to play an early version of baseball.

Bush is a Bible reader
, and frequently acknowledges the importance of God's will in human affairs and in his personal life. (Frum, pp. 3,4) Lincoln was a Bible reader and acknowledged the role of Divine Providence in human affairs
.


[edit on 6-12-2005 by Roth Joint]



posted on Dec, 6 2005 @ 07:17 PM
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Are they perhaps getting the message?


John Titor
"You are capable of changing your worldline for the better right now."



www.thekansascitychannel.com...
December 6, 2005 - KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- The Jackson County Prosecutor's Office has decided to drop the charges against a man who was repeatedly stun with a Taser gun by police.

In July, officers stopped Matthew Butt for allegedly driving a stolen truck. A videotape from a police cruiser showed the officers using a Taser gun on Butt while he was handcuffed.

Two officers lost their jobs over the incident.

Now, prosecutors have decided to dismiss the charge against Butt.



posted on Dec, 7 2005 @ 01:12 AM
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Originally posted by syrinx high priest

so instead of adressing the estimate of 2 billion metric tons, you quibble over a suitcase ? that was one way to go I guess.

as expected, you avoided addressing the post directly, and resorted to a weak attempt at humor. I am very disappointed, I was looking forward to a good debate on the science of the matter. Oh well, how about the gravitational field dilemma ? How do you keep a BH apart from earths MF ?


Lao-Tzu pronounced: "The best knowledge is not knowledge of what you know"

The Earth magnetic field would be to weak compared to a blackhole to keep apart.....Though..that is depending on the dimensions of a blackhole.....Hey! What is the weight of these micro-singularities when manipulated into a spin? If we know this, it may be very easy to keep them protected from earth magnetic field.... As of now nothing like this has ever been observed. So there you go..2 billion metric tons out the window lol....

In Titors case he use a counterbalance with a magnetic field, that corrects out any influence of the Earth's magnetic field. Thus he uses a magnetic housing for this. The unit sensors probably corrects any separation of variables like X(x), Y(y), ..., then pushing them back into their origin, since matter, space, and time are linked together, they are not totally confined from each other in Titor's machine..... Dr.Brown seems to think it is totally confined from these variables.

Someone once said " The more successes the quantum physics gains, the more senseless it looks".



posted on Dec, 7 2005 @ 08:55 AM
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Originally posted by XPhiles

Originally posted by syrinx high priest

so instead of adressing the estimate of 2 billion metric tons, you quibble over a suitcase ? that was one way to go I guess.

as expected, you avoided addressing the post directly, and resorted to a weak attempt at humor. I am very disappointed, I was looking forward to a good debate on the science of the matter. Oh well, how about the gravitational field dilemma ? How do you keep a BH apart from earths MF ?


Lao-Tzu pronounced: "The best knowledge is not knowledge of what you know"

The Earth magnetic field would be to weak compared to a blackhole to keep apart.....Though..that is depending on the dimensions of a blackhole.....Hey! What is the weight of these micro-singularities when manipulated into a spin? If we know this, it may be very easy to keep them protected from earth magnetic field.... As of now nothing like this has ever been observed. So there you go..2 billion metric tons out the window lol....

In Titors case he use a counterbalance with a magnetic field, that corrects out any influence of the Earth's magnetic field. Thus he uses a magnetic housing for this. The unit sensors probably corrects any separation of variables like X(x), Y(y), ..., then pushing them back into their origin, since matter, space, and time are linked together, they are not totally confined from each other in Titor's machine..... Dr.Brown seems to think it is totally confined from these variables.

Someone once said " The more successes the quantum physics gains, the more senseless it looks".

Great post XPhiles.
Don't you just love empirical science?

Someone else once said:

If you think about it, a microsingularity produced by a Z-pinch is more or less going to be left hanging in a void after creation with nothing to prevent its rapid decay by Hawking radiation, but a microsingularity produced in the LHC is almost certain to have a charge and likely some relativistic velocity to it. Having a charge it ought to be controllable by the magnets of the LHC and having a relativistic velocity could dramatically extend the decay time, allowing for the 'cooling' and 'cleaning' needed to stabilize it.

I envision that microsingularities could be produced and kept circulating in the LHC ring until they were fully stabilized, kept charged and then slowly brought to a halt and captured in a magnetic bottle. The two ports on top of Titor's TT device would be where they would then be transferred to the twin magnetic bottles of the TT device.

Physicists will gradually approach capturing and cleaning these subatomic heavy sweeties over probably many many years of trial and error and experimental successive approximation. Gravity Distortion Unit Experimental Development Sequence (months or years for each one)

1. Create little sweetie, but goes poof
2. Create little sweetie with more charge and speed, lasts longer
3. Create little sweetie with least amount of baggage that causes her to go poof
4. Create little sweetie so she sustains herself and does not go poof
5. Create little sweetie with as high spin and charge as possible
6. While flying around and around at high speed little sweetie cools off
7. Help little sweetie shower off any particles clinging to her micro-gravity field
8. Help little sweetie get back up to top spin speed shape
9. Slow the round the rosy travel speed down to zero for little sweetie
10. Analyze little sweetie's micro-gravitational field
11. Put little sweetie in a suspended magnetic field containment housing with some decent heat sinks
12. Now have some fun and start shooting little guy electron darts at little sweetie's ergosphere, to see how she behaves (what makes little sweetie mad?
How does little sweetie dance when the little guys come knocking?
)
13. Find out how little sweetie's micro-gravity field changes when she is spinning at different speeds, if at all
14. Placing atomic clocks in little sweetie's microgravity field, measure any temporal relativistic effects
15. Shoot little sweetie's with electrons in different speeds and ratios creating odd gravitational distortions
16. Shoot electrons at little sweetie until she in her magnetic dress suddenly disappears, where did she go?
17. Noting little sweetie seems to have disappeared, outfit the dress with a transponder
18. Note little sweetie seems to be disappearing and appearing some distance away in space
19. Figure out how to measure local Earth environment gravitational fields with high degree of accuracy
20. Study how to keep little sweetie localized to the local gravitational environment, inventing variable gravity locking system, so keep little sweetie close to a given reference signature
21. Put little sweetie in proximity to another little sweetie to see how the micro-gravity fields interact
22. Find out how little sweetie's micro-gravity field changes and creates different time shells of positive, neutral and negative time-like curves
23. Discover that little sweetie can be fed lots of electrons so her gravity field expands and strengthen, but in a directed in a way that stay with the reference gravitational signature with least VGL variation or deviance compared to 100%
24. Perfect an ultra high speed quantum computer system required to keep up with external gravitational measurements required to keep little sweetie sticking nearest to the last referenced local gravitational signature.
25. Start sending objects through time using little sweetie
26. Discover that little sweetie is maybe not just time travelling but worldline travelling
27. Discover that the more deviation from nearest reference gravity signature that sweetie makes is caused by insufficiently accurate atomic clocks and also not enough of them in use
28. Make an even faster computer to track gravity field changes with multiple clocks
29. Notice the less the environmental Earth gravity deviation is permitted to vary, the more likely little sweetie reappears, and the more likely she reappears in the exact same geo-location she started from
30. Several more steps relating to incorporating little sweeties into a practical device that can be moved by two people
31. Slowly, carefully, in a military setting, start sending people through time using little sweeties
32. And so forth...

That puts us at least at 2020 or further down the line, don't ya think??

LHD will be the place where little sweeties are not discovered, but harnessed...

O, b.t.w., with regards to cooling these little sweeties:
spaceresearch.nasa.gov...
Laser Cooling Puts the Freeze on Fast-Moving Atoms
Hulet and his research team are learning more about atomic phenomena by cooling, and therefore slowing down, these fast-moving particles. In fact, together with his team of researchers, Hulet has cooled atoms among the lowest temperatures ever attained.

[edit on 7-12-2005 by Roth Joint]



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