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The American Civil War of 2005 as predicted by John Titor

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posted on Oct, 30 2005 @ 10:58 AM
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hes saying that he knows you wont believe him, people often find hoaxes entertaining because they believe there is no truth behind them. that was the intention of the statement, at least how i interpreted it when i first read it




posted on Oct, 30 2005 @ 03:19 PM
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So you are saying that it is WRONG for a time travel from the future who came to 1999 to get a better understanding of the world that destroyed itself a few years later, you are saying that its WRONG for him to want attention?

I don't understand? You expect him to Not want attention?

Once again, you don't make any sense!



Also,... the timeline that John predicted for the Fall of Western Stability... and all of his prediction involving human influence, could be off by a few years. Its the timeline thing.

It doesn't mean its not going to happen. Do look out your window and not see a civil war on December 30th 2005, doesn't mean that John Titor was a fraud, that would be wishful thinking.

Wait till 2008 Olympics... but many events will take place in 2006 and in 2007 that will be very alarming if John Titor is right.



posted on Oct, 30 2005 @ 08:11 PM
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Arg please don't bring the timeline thing into this, people. lol.

If you want to go the timeline root, then theoretically, anything can literally happen at any time. In one reality, the world may have ended yesterday. In another it may have ended today, tomorrow, and so on.

I dont know about you but... if there isn't even a stirring of the beginnings of a civil war by Jan 1 2006, I'm giving up on Titor. If the year ends very rough with conflict, I'll consider giving it another month or two to see how it plays out, but that's it. Not taking the alternate dimension/reality thing into account.

And if/when we get to 2013 and nothing has happened, I will officially give up on giving ANY credit to prophecies of all kinds, altogether. Because as of right now, there aren't hardly any that extend past 2012. But you can bet that a bunch will start showing up in the coming years, to prepare for when 2012 doesn't go through.



posted on Oct, 30 2005 @ 09:03 PM
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Dec 31st 2015 I am having the biggest New Years Party Ever in Manhattan!

If its till there, You are All Invited!

Let the good times roll!




posted on Oct, 30 2005 @ 09:10 PM
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This is not a Waco type event, but have ya all noticed that we in the USA don't really have the right to assemble anymore. Unless of course you have the right permits or papers:

www.cnn.com...

Nice to know that the police will inform us if our assembly is lawfull or not.



posted on Oct, 30 2005 @ 09:18 PM
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Even if Titor isn't a real time traveler, his predictions are not that far from the reality except for the civil war thing and maybe the nuclear war around 2015...

Real or not, you can't say that USA and Australia and some of the Europeans country are going each day more to a police state which is very sad and will eventually lead to a major change or a revolution against the governement, at least if people need freedom...



posted on Oct, 31 2005 @ 03:18 AM
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Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
Hey Roth....why do your dates say 2005



Yes, it's scary how John Titor's "predictions" are coming into our reality with deadly precision, isn't it? Ridiculing the facts and attacking the person might have helped a few years ago... but not anymore...

Furthermore I am sure your capacity of discernment made you realize John Titor made his statements in 2000 and not in 2005.
Very observant - we all need good critics!

More fulfilled and about to be fulfilled predictions to come soon...



posted on Oct, 31 2005 @ 03:59 AM
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Originally posted by Where2Hide2006
So you are saying that it is WRONG for a time travel from the future who came to 1999 to get a better understanding of the world that destroyed itself a few years later, you are saying that its WRONG for him to want attention?

I don't understand? You expect him to Not want attention?

Once again, you don't make any sense!

Also,... the timeline that John predicted for the Fall of Western Stability... and all of his prediction involving human influence, could be off by a few years. Its the timeline thing.

It doesn't mean its not going to happen. Do look out your window and not see a civil war on December 30th 2005, doesn't mean that John Titor was a fraud, that would be wishful thinking.

Wait till 2008 Olympics... but many events will take place in 2006 and in 2007 that will be very alarming if John Titor is right.


Where2Hide2006...... Great Post!


Furthermore...... don't be fooled... the West is becoming increasingly unstable! and that will influence the scene in the Middle East rapidly.... and thus the growing second US civil war of which we can see the signs so clearly when focusing on the growing gap between law enforcement and civilians.... WACO-type events increasing.....

John Titor
Q: How and why do the Arabs Jews become entangled in the civil war of the U.S.A?
JT: "They are not directly involved but political situations are dependant on Western stability, which collapses in 2005.


John Titor spoke about the collapse of political Western stability in 2005..... and that stability indeed has collapsed. Even so severely that at this moment Tony Blair actually played the role of European Union president hoping to prevent last week's gathering of EU leaders from turning into another verbal fistfight!

msnbc.msn.com...
The clash at Hampton Court is a symptom of the crisis gripping Europe.

The economic integration of the Continent's 450 million consumers into a prosperous single market—the EU's raison d'etre since its creation after World War II—has come to a virtual standstill.

At the same time, growing numbers of Europeans have awakened to the threat of globalization, with little agreement on how to cope.

On one side are the core economies of the continent: Germany, Italy and France, all stagnating yet determined to preserve their vision of a "social Europe" that protects citizens from too much change.

On the other side: Britain and the Scandinavians, who want to meet the challenges of globalization by staying competitive, flexible and attuned to the fast-changing demands of the market.

John Titor again...
"Would you be surprised to know that there are a great many people who don't believe in time travel on my worldline?"

"The decisions and actions we take as individuals can only help those who we have direct interaction with. I believe it is wrong to be capable of helping and do nothing."

"My goal is not to believed and I submit that your life would not be any better (and perhaps worse) if you did believe me."

"I'm glad to see it's so easy for to dismiss the Middle East. Yes, I suppose it is a no brainer but pretty soon it will be a "no arrmer" and a "no legger"."

"It is a mistake to give anyone your unwavering belief...but you will find that out yourself in 2005."

"The year 2008 was a general date by which time everyone will realize the world they thought they were living in was over."

"After the war, the main problem was distribution. Can anyone tell me how many companies in the United States still manufacture bicycle tires today? Anyone who still has a bike in 2008 will find out."

[edit on 31-10-2005 by Roth Joint]



posted on Oct, 31 2005 @ 04:37 AM
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Originally posted by undercoverchef

First please provide me with a link to this...

Second, He predicted G.W Bush would be elected president a whole... let me get this straight... Month before the count was in.

Hmmm... how many people running for presidancy??

So Titor got a 50/50 guess correct...

And... now i might be wrong about this... but wasnt Florida the last count!!

This is far to general... anything from the War in Korea (back in the 1950's) to Vietnam and the first Gulf war could be seen as a collapse of western stabillity.

Im affraid you are just grasping at straws!

Again this was stuff that was being speculated by lots of people on the web before GW was in power. Everybody was saying that IF GW got into power he would finish the job in Iraq that his father started.

Or did he mean the Pakistan earthquake??? Come on... which one??

Both in far away lands. Both 100,000+ dead

This is exactly my point. Never anything concrete.

Why didnt fruit cake Titor just say. "A huge earthquake under the ocean will cause a Tsunami that will kill 100,000+ deaths, in asia, on 26th Dec 2004?

Ill tell you why... because he didnt know...

This stuff is all so vague and easy to fit into whatever you want it to fit into!

Blah Blah Blah

as i explained before... If you went to CERN's website, at the same time as Tit head Titor predicted this, you would have known that they had been working on trying to create a micro singularity. Big deal.

And please provide some links when you quote events... it makes it so much easier to prove wrong!



Oh boy.
Really, "undercoverchef" I am really trying to make sense of your commentaries, but for now I will take them as... well... very entertaining..... blah blah blah



posted on Oct, 31 2005 @ 05:15 AM
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Originally posted by LDragonFire


as i explained before... If you went to CERN's website, at the same time as Tit head Titor predicted this, you would have known that they had been working on trying to create a micro singularity. Big deal. quote by undercoverchef


can you provide a link please?




This is far to general... anything from the War in Korea (back in the 1950's) to Vietnam and the first Gulf war could be seen as a collapse of western stabillity. quote by undercoverchef


a link would really be good for this one. I have never before, untill now heard that Gulf War I, Vietnam, and The Korean War leading to western stabillity...LOL



Second, He predicted G.W Bush would be elected president a whole... let me get this straight... Month before the count was in. quote by undercoverchef


So your saying Titor was right on this one?



Why didnt fruit cake Titor just say. "A huge earthquake under the ocean will cause a Tsunami that will kill 100,000+ deaths, in asia, on 26th Dec 2004? quote by undercoverchef


He explains why he did not give details about things you couldn't stop or do anything about....

pawned by Roth Joint

You can't Debunk Titor untill the Olympics are over or if there is no civil war in the USA at the end of 08 IMHO


LDragonFire, Great Post!


Furthermore... our "undercoverchef" doesn't seem to realize the huge implications and potentials of CERN actually creating a micro-singularity.... Time Travel!

What he also fails to see is how detailed and accurate John Titor predicted the size of that micro-singularity AND what would happen AFTER they would successfully create that micro-singularity:

6. Titor predicted CERN WILL create micro-singularities a fraction of the size of an electron that WILL evaporate very quickly and WILL radiate a massive amount of X-ray and Gamma rays and it WILL puzzle the scientists for a while but they WILL figure out how to add and electrical charge and capture these strange odd and massive particles in a magnetic field and they WILL bombard a singularity with electrons and WILL alter the size of its event horizon and thus its gravitational field:

ABOUT TO COME TRUE!

*March, 2005: CERN is building world’s largest particle physics “proton-proton” collider conveying extremely high currents without any loss of energy and therefore able to bend the trajectory of protons that are accelerated at near speed of light. Researchers point out that one result produced by this accelerator might be the creation of large quantities of minimum-size black holes (micro-singularities)

John Titor
“Soon, CERN will bring their big machine on line and they will be smashing very fast and high-energy particles together. One of the more odd and potentially dangerous items produced from this increase in energy will be microsingularities a fraction of the size of an electron.”
“I'm pretty sure they have a number of experiments going on at the same time at CERN. The one I'm referring toinvolves very high energies using protons.”
“My comments about the CERN lab are in reference to particle accelerators in general and other questions that have come up in the past. The major physics break through for controlled gravity distortion does happen at CERN in your future.”
TimeTravel_0: “They will accidentally create microsingularities.”


John Titor
TimeTravel_0 : They will accidentally create micro singularities.
TimeTravel_0 : Which will evaporate very quickly.
TimeTravel_0 : and create a massive amount of X-ray and Gamma rays.
TimeTravel_0 : It will puzzle them for a while.
TimeTravel_0 : Until they figure out how to add and electrical charge and capture these strange odd and massive particles in a magnetic field.
TimeTravel_0 : If you bombard a singularity with electrons...
TimeTravel_0 : you can alter the size of its event horizon.
TimeTravel_0 : and thus its gravitational field.
TimeTravel_0 : By overlapping these fields from two singularities...
TimeTravel_0 : you can travel forward and backward through time.
TimeTravel_0 : Its actually quite simple.
TimeTravel_0 : That’s not the hard part.
G° : didn't tipler say there was no event horizon?
TimeTravel_0 : No. He said it was possible to approach a massive
gravitational field from certain angles and not get squished
.



MORE FULFILLED AND ABOUT TO BE FULFILLED PREDICTONS TO COME SOON….....

[edit on 31-10-2005 by Roth Joint]



posted on Oct, 31 2005 @ 10:57 AM
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Originally posted by Roth Joint
Yes, it's scary how John Titor's "predictions" are coming into our reality with deadly precision, isn't it?

No, it really isn't....as none of his predictions have come true. You and twist and spin facts all you want. But in the real world (a world I hope you would soon join) none of his predictions have come true.
Do you know why?

Because Titor is a work of fiction based on other works of fiction modernized to fit current events.



Ridiculing the facts and attacking the person might have helped a few years ago... but not anymore...

pardon?



Furthermore I am sure your capacity of discernment made you realize John Titor made his statements in 2000 and not in 2005.
Very observant - we all need good critics!


Riiiiiiiight....

Anyway, those comments weren't predictions. Not even close.
You said that Titor:
"On November 12 in the year 2000 Titor predicted G.W. Bush would be elected President of the United States due to votes that would not be counted in Florida. Furthermore Titor also predicted G.W. Bush would be the winner of the electoral vote but NOT the winner of the popular vote"

Where in the world did you get that from? Titor made no such prediction. It's one of his rules that he wouldn't make a prediction like that. Again, you point out that Titor was a liar if you're saying that's what he did.
His comments were questions. Your selective bolding is a perfect example of how you try to twist Titor's word to fit YOUR views.


More fulfilled and about to be fulfilled predictions to come soon...

How about just 1?



posted on Oct, 31 2005 @ 12:17 PM
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Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
Because Titor is a work of fiction based on other works of fiction modernized to fit current events.

I understand it feels safer to take Titor's chronicles as fiction. But be careful..... even if it was fiction.... 5 of the 6 previous "predictions" I have presented already came true and 1 is speeding up rapidly.....

I will present the other ones very soon...........

Remember Morgan Robertson? He "predicted" the end result of the Titanic 14 years before it actually happened in every detail of his "predictions."

In 1898 Morgan wrote a novel that at the time was seen as so far-fetched as to not be believable. The novel detailed the harrowing tragedy of an ocean liner called the Titan.

www.lux-aeterna.co.nz...
The ‘Titanic’ struck an iceberg at 11.40pm on 14th April 1912 and sank a little over two hours later at 2.20 am on the 15th. It was fourteen years after 'Futility' had been published.

I began to feel that his novel must have been inspired. It was as though something had put the idea into the head of Morgan Robertson, some Source of Intelligence that knew the future in precise detail. The book, originally entitled ‘Futility’ was published by M.F. Mansfield in New York in 1898. It was republished in 1912, after the Titanic sank, under the title ‘Futility and the Wreck of the Titan’.



Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
Anyway, those comments weren't predictions. Not even close.
You said that Titor:
"On November 12 in the year 2000 Titor predicted G.W. Bush would be elected President of the United States due to votes that would not be counted in Florida. Furthermore Titor also predicted G.W. Bush would be the winner of the electoral vote but NOT the winner of the popular vote"

Where in the world did you get that from? Titor made no such prediction. It's one of his rules that he wouldn't make a prediction like that. Again, you point out that Titor was a liar if you're saying that's what he did.
His comments were questions. Your selective bolding is a perfect example of how you try to twist Titor's word to fit YOUR views.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiight....... First of all..... ofcourse Titor did not mention any names..... because there was not much anyone could do about this "event," that's why Titor said: I would use the word "elections" a bit cautiously. Perhaps it's easier now to see a civil war in your future?” (November 11, 2000)

Ofcourse Titor made a "prediction" in the same line as he did with regards to the Iraq war. He gave us no names but he surely provided enough details to work it all out ourselves, trusting our intelligence!

1. On November 12 in the year 2000 Titor predicted G.W. Bush would be elected President of the United States due to votes that would not be counted in Florida.

TRUE!

John Titor
I would use the word "elections" a bit cautiously. Perhaps it's easier now to see a civil war in your future?” (November 11, 2000)
“I am curious? will anyone be upset if Florida’s votes are not counted in the Electoral College because of the current “confusion?”” (November 12, 2000)


Oke. Who became President in 2000 due to votes that would not be counted in Florida? Let's see.......mmmmmhh....Mickey Mouse?.......

Please don't tell me the Florida Secretary of State did NOT refused to grant a two-hour extension requested by one of Florida's county's elections board and did NOT officially certified Bush the winner of the Florida vote.

Please don't tell me that.

Furthermore Titor also predicted G.W. Bush would be the winner of the electoral vote but NOT the winner of the popular vote:

TRUE!

John Titor
“I am curious? will anyone be upset if Florida’s votes are not counted in the Electoral College because of the current “confusion?”” (November 12, 2000)
“According to the Constitution, who do you think has the final word on choosing a President and why?”(December 13, 2000)
Do you think the Electoral College should be continued?” (December 13, 2000)


Oke. Lets see..... Titor is mentioning the Electoral College as well as the outcome of that Electoral College mechanism on November 12, 2005.......mmmmhh.......interesting.......

Furthermore he says on that same date: "I am here for personal reasons. For a few months now, I have bee trying to alert anyone that would listen to the possibility of a civil war in the United States in 2005. Does that seem more likely now? Actually it's quite amazing to see what's happening. I have been trying to get people to pay attention for the last few months but to see it unfold is very interesting."

Now, why would Titor do that? Because he was bored perhaps? Maybe he was trying to make something clear to us.......maybe...... just a tiny little bit?.........

For only the second time in American history, the winner of the electoral vote was not the winner of the popular vote (joining Harrison in 1888).

So Titor "predicts" that Florida’s votes would not be counted (making G.W. Bush the winner of the electoral vote but not the popular vote), mentions another Iraq war under that same President and calls the President in 2005 a "leader" who is desperately trying to hold the country together........

Sure that must have been just a lucky guess..... just as all those other predictions....... sure......

What is really scary is that Titor links this same President to an upcoming civil war in the United States........

www.cbsnews.com...
How in the world could George W. Bush win the presidency if Al Gore got the most votes?

Two words: Electoral College.

No, the Electoral College isn't an actual institution of higher learning. It's the mechanism under the Constitution that actually chooses the president. Devised by the Founding Fathers, the system is comprised of 538 electors. Each state's number of electors equals its total of members in the House and Senate. (In addition, the District of Columbia has three electors.) When you pulled the lever on Election Day, you were really deciding which candidate's slate of electors cast your state's electoral votes...........

[edit on 31-10-2005 by Roth Joint]



posted on Oct, 31 2005 @ 03:14 PM
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You still don't get it Roth....

And that's just sad. I really am starting to feel sorry for you. At first it was 'Yeah yeah, Roth is doing this just to do this'.
But now...I'm starting to believe you're actually falling for your own deceits...


Originally posted by Roth Joint
But be careful..... even if it was fiction.... 5 of the 6 previous "predictions" I have presented already came true and 1 is speeding up rapidly.....

Not one of his predictions have come true. Either you don't know what a prediction is, or you're joking.



Riiiiiiiiiiiiiight....... First of all..... ofcourse Titor did not mention any names..... because there was not much anyone could do about this "event," that's why Titor said: I would use the word "elections" a bit cautiously. Perhaps it's easier now to see a civil war in your future?” (November 11, 2000)


What are you talking about. No where in his statement does he predict Bush winning the presidency.
Here he was discussing the disputed elections just as EVERYONE ELSE was at the time!!
Are the millions who think the election was rigged/wasn't fair time travelers too? He mentioned nothing that MILLIONS of people around the world weren't asking/saying.


1. On November 12 in the year 2000 Titor predicted G.W. Bush would be elected President of the United States due to votes that would not be counted in Florida.

TRUE!

John Titor
I would use the word "elections" a bit cautiously. Perhaps it's easier now to see a civil war in your future?” (November 11, 2000)
“I am curious? will anyone be upset if Florida’s votes are not counted in the Electoral College because of the current “confusion?”” (November 12, 2000)

Again. Not once does he mention GW becoming president.


Oke. Who became President in 2000 due to votes that would not be counted in Florida? Let's see.......mmmmmhh....Mickey Mouse?.......

lol, what are you talking about?

Titor was talking about this in the middle of the election mess. If he had wrote this a month or so before the elections then you'd have an argument. But this was when everything was going on.

That's like me looking outside, seeing it's raining, then saying "I think it's going to rain today"

This is for everyone. Please read what Titor wrote in context. Roth constantly posts things out of context trying to twist statements without changing them.


Please don't tell me the Florida Secretary of State did NOT refused to grant a two-hour extension requested by one of Florida's county's elections board and did NOT officially certified Bush the winner of the Florida vote.

Please don't tell me that.





Furthermore Titor also predicted G.W. Bush would be the winner of the electoral vote but NOT the winner of the popular vote:

TRUE!

John Titor
“I am curious? will anyone be upset if Florida’s votes are not counted in the Electoral College because of the current “confusion?”” (November 12, 2000)
“According to the Constitution, who do you think has the final word on choosing a President and why?”(December 13, 2000)
Do you think the Electoral College should be continued?” (December 13, 2000)


Oke. Lets see..... Titor is mentioning the Electoral College as well as the outcome of that Electoral College mechanism on November 12, 2005.......mmmmhh.......interesting.......

You're not even making sense...
Titor asked should the Electoral College be continued. At the time EVERYONE was asking the same question!!

Do you honestly not remember that??




So Titor "predicts" that Florida’s votes would not be counted

No he didn't. Read what he said.


and calls the President in 2005 a "leader" who is desperately trying to hold the country together........

Something GW is definately NOT doing.





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posted on Oct, 31 2005 @ 09:10 PM
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Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
Not once does he mention GW becoming president.

He gave us no names indeed and he did not went into full details, BUT he surely provided enough details to work it all out ourselves, trusting our intelligence!

So Titor "predicts" that Florida’s votes would not be counted (making G.W. Bush the winner of the electoral vote but not the popular vote), mentions another Iraq war under that same President and calls the President in 2005 a "leader" who is desperately trying to hold the country together..... let me guess who fits that criteria? ........


Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
Titor asked should the Electoral College be continued. At the time EVERYONE was asking the same question!!

But Titor was very specific about it in contrast to everyone else and made a very clear "prediction" in his usual form of another "question":
“I am curious? will anyone be upset if Florida’s votes are not counted in the Electoral College because of the current “confusion?”” (November 12, 2000)

It has come true hasn't it? There you go.


Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird

Originally posted by ROTH JOINT
...and calls the President in 2005 a "leader" who is desperately trying to hold the country together........

Something GW is definately NOT doing.


WRONG! He is desperately trying to...
RIGHT! He is not very successful...

7. Titor predicted in 2005 G.W. Bush (our “leader”) would desperately try to be the next Lincoln and hold the country together, but unfortunately many of his (and his Administration’s) policies drove a larger wedge into the Bill of Rights and thus dividing this country even further:

TRUE!

The man who promised us to be "a uniter, not a divider"…..a true “leader” of this country….our President and his team in 2005:

*July, 2005: G.W BUSH NOMINATES JUDGE JOHN G. ROBERTS TO THE US SUPREME COURT in a desperate attempt to hold the country together, however one area where Judge Roberts disregards for the Constitution & the Bill of Rights is evident is the protection of Property Rights

*October, 2005: A Pew Research Center poll released on October 13th finds that George Bush’s poll numbers are the lowest they’ve ever been as president:

“President George W. Bush’s poll numbers are going from bad to worse. His job approval rating has fallen to another new low, as has public satisfaction with national conditions, which now stands at just 29%. And for the first time since taking office in 2001, a plurality of Americans believe that George W. Bush will be viewed as an unsuccessful president.”

41% believe Bush’s presidency will be ‘unsuccessful.’ 56% disapprove of the job he’s doing as president. A whopping 69% want the next president to “offer different policies than Bush.” 50% believe that using force in Iraq was wrong. 53% say the war is not going well. And all of these numbers are trending strongly downward from past surveys


*October, 2005: G.W. Bush desperately trying to hold the country together:
www.theonion.com...
October 12, 2005 - In response to increasing criticism of his handling of the war in Iraq and the disaster in the Gulf Coast, as well as other issues, such as Social Security reform, the national deficit, and rising gas prices, President Bush is expected to appoint someone to run the U.S. as soon as Friday.

G.W. Bush presents his shortlist for the Secretary of the Nation post: “My fellow Americans, I assure you that I will appoint just such a person with all due haste, I will name a good, qualified person as soon as possible."

For weeks, members of both political parties have been urging Bush to fill the post. "Every day the president waits is another day he's accountable for needless deaths at home and abroad, the stagnating economy, and the threat of terrorism," Senator Lindsey Graham (R-SC) said. "This post is far too vital to be left vacant. Mr. President, there is no reason to delay."

"In the spirit of bipartisanship, we will welcome the new secretary," Reid said. "Together, we will strive for a new dawn of American politics, one unmarred by partisan bickering between Congress and the White House."

According to a nationwide poll conducted by the Cook Political Report, the majority of U.S. citizens find the question of national leadership to be highly significant, with 61 percent of respondents "strongly" believing that the country is suffering from a leadership vacuum.

"As your president, it is my duty to see this nation through any crisis, no matter how severe. And as your president, I pledge to you that I will find a man capable of doing just that," Bush said. "I will not—I repeat, I will not—let you down."


John Titor
"The President or "leader" in 2005 I believe tried desperately to be the next Lincoln and hold the country together but many of their policies drove a larger wedge into the Bill of Rights.



posted on Oct, 31 2005 @ 11:49 PM
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Originally posted by Roth Joint
He gave us no names indeed and he did not went into full details, BUT he surely provided enough details to work it all out ourselves, trusting our intelligence!

So Titor "predicts" that Florida’s votes would not be counted (making G.W. Bush the winner of the electoral vote but not the popular vote)

omg
This is not hard Roth. Why can't you grasp simple facts.
He was NOT providing any details. He was stating what was CURRENTLY going on. Look at the dates! He wrote that when the election mess was a CURRENT EVENT. He provided no insight whatsoever about what the outcome would be. He asked no question that MILLIONS of people around the world weren't asking.

This is very simple, why can't you understand?

If he had asked those questions or wrote those statements even a day before the elections then you would have an argument.



mentions another Iraq war under that same President

Please provide a link and quote. Not once did he mention when another war will happen.


and calls the President in 2005 a "leader" who is desperately trying to hold the country together..... let me guess who fits that criteria? ........

Certainly not Bush.


But Titor was very specific about it in contrast to everyone else and made a very clear "prediction" in his usual form of another "question":
“I am curious? will anyone be upset if Florida’s votes are not counted in the Electoral College because of the current “confusion?”” (November 12, 2000)

It has come true hasn't it? There you go.

Dude....you don't get it.
I'm not sure how to make it more clearer...
Even a little child could understand that what he wrote wasn't a prediction. It was a question asked based on current events. A question that was raised countless times during the whole election mess.

You still haven't answered my question. Are the millions of other people who asked those questions time travelers as well??


Originally posted by ROTH JOINT
WRONG! He is desperately trying to...
RIGHT! He is not very successful...

If you think Bush is or has been trying to bring this country together rather then promote his party, then....well....you've been in a box for the last 5 years.



www.theonion.com...

WOW
You just linked the onion.
WOW!

Wow.
No...this is a joke. Right? You can't be that clueless. Can you?
You DO realize what the Onion is right??
lmao

Wow



posted on Nov, 1 2005 @ 05:22 AM
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quote: Originally posted by Roth Joint
He gave us no names indeed and he did not went into full details, BUT he surely provided enough details to work it all out ourselves, trusting our intelligence!

So Titor "predicts" that Florida’s votes would not be counted (making G.W. Bush the winner of the electoral vote but not the popular vote)
omg
This is not hard Roth. Why can't you grasp simple facts.
He was NOT providing any details. He was stating what was CURRENTLY going on. Look at the dates! He wrote that when the election mess was a CURRENT EVENT. He provided no insight whatsoever about what the outcome would be. He asked no question that MILLIONS of people around the world weren't asking.

This is very simple, why can't you understand?

If he had asked those questions or wrote those statements even a day before the elections then you would have an argument.


quote: mentions another Iraq war under that same President
Please provide a link and quote. Not once did he mention when another war will happen.

quote: and calls the President in 2005 a "leader" who is desperately trying to hold the country together..... let me guess who fits that criteria? ........
Certainly not Bush.

quote: But Titor was very specific about it in contrast to everyone else and made a very clear "prediction" in his usual form of another "question":
“I am curious? will anyone be upset if Florida’s votes are not counted in the Electoral College because of the current “confusion?”” (November 12, 2000)

It has come true hasn't it? There you go.
Dude....you don't get it.
I'm not sure how to make it more clearer...
Even a little child could understand that what he wrote wasn't a prediction. It was a question asked based on current events. A question that was raised countless times during the whole election mess.

You still haven't answered my question. Are the millions of other people who asked those questions time travelers as well??

quote: Originally posted by ROTH JOINT
WRONG! He is desperately trying to...
RIGHT! He is not very successful...
If you think Bush is or has been trying to bring this country together rather then promote his party, then....well....you've been in a box for the last 5 years.

quote:
www.theonion.com...
WOW
You just linked the onion.
WOW!
Wow.
No...this is a joke. Right? You can't be that clueless. Can you?
You DO realize what the Onion is right??
lmao

Wow



Nice post ThatsJustWeird however...

I think we are wasting our time with this. While i can clearly understand the point you are making, i feel there are others who will never grasp it.

Im sure you will get a response to your post that claims to not understand what you are talking about and then avoiding the points that you’ve made by spewing more of Titors crappy predictions...



Titor said that in 2005 there will be a MAJOR disaster... this has to be hurricane Katrina

Titor said that in Oct 2005 some people will feel unwell... this has to be bird flu

HAHAHA



I think people simply believe what they want to believe regardless of the evidence against it.



posted on Nov, 1 2005 @ 10:18 AM
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Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
www.theonion.com...
WOW
You just linked the onion.
WOW!

Wow.
No...this is a joke. Right? You can't be that clueless. Can you?
You DO realize what the Onion is right??
lmao

Wow

Despite all of our differences in opinion I am happy you still appreciate a good laugh.
Really, I think only the Onion is entitled to use that presidential seal because at least their policy is to make true satire instead of our fine policies from the White House that only seem to be just that… really I am very very serious!

Oke.

7. Titor predicted in 2005 G.W. Bush (our “leader”) would desperately try to be the next Lincoln and hold the country together, but unfortunately many of his (and his Administration’s) policies drove a larger wedge into the Bill of Rights and thus dividing this country even further:

TRUE!

The man who promised us to be "a uniter, not a divider"…..a true “leader” of this country….our President and his team in 2005:

*July, 2005: G.W BUSH NOMINATES JUDGE JOHN G. ROBERTS TO THE US SUPREME COURT in a desperate attempt to hold the country together, however one area where Judge Roberts disregards for the Constitution & the Bill of Rights is evident is the protection of Property Rights

*October, 2005: A Pew Research Center poll released on October 13th finds that George Bush’s poll numbers are the lowest they’ve ever been as president:

“President George W. Bush’s poll numbers are going from bad to worse. His job approval rating has fallen to another new low, as has public satisfaction with national conditions, which now stands at just 29%. And for the first time since taking office in 2001, a plurality of Americans believe that George W. Bush will be viewed as an unsuccessful president.”

41% believe Bush’s presidency will be ‘unsuccessful.’ 56% disapprove of the job he’s doing as president. A whopping 69% want the next president to “offer different policies than Bush.” 50% believe that using force in Iraq was wrong. 53% say the war is not going well. And all of these numbers are trending strongly downward from past surveys


*October, 2005: G.W. Bush desperately trying to hold the country together:
With an expensive and increasingly unpopular war, a failure to respond effectively to a major national hurricane disaster, and a persistent investigation of the White House leak of a CIA agent's name, the rigidly choreographed, tightly controlled efforts to manage the president's image are unwinding under media pressure." The public now believes his war in Iraq was a mistake. And with Katrina, Bush demonstrated that he could not be trusted to oversee the federal government's foremost duty: the protection of the citizenry. Nor could he be trusted to appoint the right people to do so.


www.washingtonpost.com...
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President George W. Bush, reeling from an array of political troubles, patched up a rift with conservatives by nominating Judge Samuel Alito to the Supreme Court on Monday but set up a bruising battle with Democrats over the court's future.

The choice of the conservative Alito drew quick praise from the right and condemnation from the left, which said a weakened Bush had placed a higher priority on healing a divided Republican Party than on uniting the country behind a consensus nominee.

"This is a needlessly provocative nomination," said Vermont Sen. Patrick Leahy, the ranking Democrat on the Senate Judiciary Committee, the panel that will consider Alito's nomination.

Instead of uniting the country through his choice, the president has chosen to reward one faction of his party at the risk of dividing the country," Leahy said.

The nomination raised the possibility of an effort to filibuster, or block, Alito by Senate Democrats, who said his confirmation could put at risk the landmark Roe v. Wade decision legalizing abortion.

But analysts said Bush apparently decided that even a blistering political fight that could sideline his legislative agenda was a welcome alternative given his weakened stature and mounting troubles.

The nomination followed months of bad news and declining poll ratings for Bush, capped last week by the withdrawal of his previous nominee, Harriet Miers, and the indictment of a top aide to Vice President Dick Cheney in an investigation into the leak of the name of a CIA operative.

John Titor
"The President or "leader" in 2005 I believe tried desperately to be the next Lincoln and hold the country together but many of their policies drove a larger wedge into the Bill of Rights.



Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird

Originally posted by ROTH JOINT
…mentions another Iraq war under that same President

Please provide a link and quote. Not once did he mention when another war will happen.

Yes he did. And after predicting G.W. Bush would become President by the electoral vote in 2000 he furthermore predicted the next Iraq war would be fought during his first term.

John Titor
“None of the things I have said will be a surprise. They were set in motion ten, twenty, even thirty years ago. Are you really surprised to find out that Iraq has nukes now or is that just BS to whip everyone up into accepting the next war?”
”Real disruptions in world events begin with the destabilization of the West as a result of degrading US foreign policy and consistency. This becomes apparent around 2004 as civil unrest develops near the next presidential election.”


The answer as to what John Titor meant to make clear is simple. He was talking about the “things that were set in motion years ago,” meaning that the focus was on Iraq for a long time.

The years before and around 2000 (when John Titor made his "prediction") the public systematically has been fed with information concerning Iraq developing nuclear weapons, which ultimately appeared to be just a lie (or BS) in order to prepare the public and make them more willing into accepting that war.

Titor was talking about the next (Iraq) war clearly mentioning it as the follow up on the previous (Iraq) war.

That's why John Titor's "prediction" is so fascinating. He made his remarks in a time period (2000/2001) where everyone believed that Saddam was indeed in possession of nuclear weapons which ultimately appeared to be BS (just as Titor "predicted" it) in order to prepare the public for an Iraq war and make them more willing into accepting that war.

Titor was talking about the next (Iraq) war clearly mentioning it as the follow up on the previous (Iraq) war. So Titor clearly showed his knowledge of a coming "next war" against Iraq which indeed happened under G.W. Bush and before 2004.

Because, how great are the chances that the public could be "whipped up" again into accepting another war now? Not so great as back then in 2003 that's for sure. Titor somehow knew that. That's perhaps why he mentioned his "civil unrest" (social unrest) around the next Presidential "Election" in 2004 with regards to the Iraq war.

Clearly Titor's "prediction" was remarkable in a time period (2000/2001) where everyone swallowed the propaganda tactics of Iraq posing a nuclear threat to the world. Titor knew it was nothing more then propaganda and rethoric. He knew the hidden cards underneath the table.

To predict a war is one thing, however, to "predict" another war in Iraq under G.W. Bush and under false pretences and before 2004 where everyone would be whipped up into accepting it exactly as it happened, is another thing.



posted on Nov, 1 2005 @ 12:49 PM
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Unbelievable man....

This is truely amazing. Your level of commitment to some random geek with access to the internet claiming he's a time traveler is truely....well....disturbing. Your utter disregard of facts and your insistence to ignore and not even consider the truth is equally disturbing.

Anyway, I've already said what I have to say. Your lack of comprehension of the most simplest things makes it hard to carry on with a decent debate.
A perfect example is your trying to show Bush holding the country together. That's just funny. Everything your quoted, linked, and highlighted shows the EXACT OPPOSITE! (or was completely irrelevent)

Which makes me think you're doing all this on purpose.
Do you honestly think Bush's record low approval rating is due to him trying to hold the country together?
Do you honestly think Bush trying to do what's best for his politcal party even if it means screwing the American people is trying to hold the country together?
The quote you highlighted shows just that!
"Instead of uniting the country through his choice, the president has chosen to reward one faction of his party at the risk of dividing the country," Leahy said."
You highlighted this and yet you're trying to prove the opposite.

This is why I believe you aren't serious.



posted on Nov, 1 2005 @ 01:14 PM
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I've said it before and I'll say it again, John Titor's time travel theory is flawed,that's F-L-A-W-E-D.

If you travel back in time to an alternate reality from your own and then forward in time to another alternate reality that isn't your own you in fact accomplish nothing because you are assuming that another John Titor will appear in your universe to fix that timeline....whoa big fella that's a lot of faith.

John said that the reason it works is because there is only a 1 to 2 percent difference in his universe and ours. This sounds good in theory but of course a 1-2% difference is huge when you're talking universes.

Think about it like this. You plot a blind course from los angeles to las vegas, when you finish your journey you are 1-2 percent off your mark. Well that's not so bad because from la to vegas a 1-2 percent difference means your maybe five miles off course. no big whoop.

Now plot a course from the earth to mars. If you're 1-2 percent off you not only miss your mark you're in fact so far off course that you drift through space until you die.

A Universe is huge. It's is not localized to just the planet earth, if John Titor comes from an alternate reality that's an entire universe.

A one to two percent difference in a whole universe is the difference between life evolving and not evolving.

Had he said that the timelines were only .00000000000000000001% difference that would make more sense. But he didn't say that, he was taught there was a 1-2 percent difference.

Now some may argue that John was just a laymen and the "scientists" involved in the project dumbed it down for him, in which case....thanks future boys for sending your best and brightest.

John Titor was a joke gone wrong.

IMO of course and I would like someone with an actual science background (reading comic books doesn't make you a scientist by the way) someone with a phd or something to tell me why my theory is wrong.

Of course those who believe will continue to believe so I'm sure someone with absolutely no scientific background will tell me I'm wrong and why.

Spiderj



posted on Nov, 1 2005 @ 01:30 PM
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"Think about it like this. You plot a blind course from los angeles to las vegas, when you finish your journey you are 1-2 percent off your mark. Well that's not so bad because from la to vegas a 1-2 percent difference means your maybe five miles off course. no big whoop.

Now plot a course from the earth to mars. If you're 1-2 percent off you not only miss your mark you're in fact so far off course that you drift through space until you die."

You make a good point.....It wouldnt be hard for someone to predict the situation now vaguely.
But the US and the world as a whole is unstable right now, and it will probally get worse so there is some truth in it.

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