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The American Civil War of 2005 as predicted by John Titor

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posted on Jun, 25 2005 @ 04:01 AM
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Originally posted by NinjaCodeMonkey
Nothing fascinating in that, i could have made up a better story. Plus there was absolutely no reference to 9/11. When you quote you should post links of where you got these quotes so we can read them for ourselves.


Are you really that lazy and unable to find John Titor's quotes yourself? I can feel Titor's frustration when he said:

"Perhaps I should let you all in on a little secret. No one likes you in the future. This time period is looked at as being full of lazy, self-centered, civically ignorant sheep. Perhaps you should be less concerned about me and more concerned about that."

Ok, here are the sites in order to do your own investigation with regards to John Titor's quotes:

www.johntitor.com...
timetravelportal.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...




posted on Jun, 25 2005 @ 10:39 AM
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RothJoint when/if this is ever proven a farce which most of us already know it's fake, I would recommend to do this



How can you ever really know he is for real? No one ever saw the guy, he said a few things on the internet that anybody could say "The World won't be a nice place in a couple of years"

Oh my god! He's a time traveling psychic! He was right!

who cares? it's like you people defend him like he's god "John Titor was right about you people, you are all lazy"

Wake up, he's not your god, he's not a time traveler, he can't see the future, he probably watched Terminator too many times and has a good sense of humor, maybe some of you should too and not take everything you see on the internet so serious.


This is from www.timetravelinstitute.com...

-The main character of the book (Randy Bragg) lives in a rural area central Florida next to a major army base when Russia launches a nuclear bomb there. John Titor claims to live in the EXACT same area.

-In the book, the new capitol of the United States is moved to Omaha, Nebraska. John Titor also claims that the new Capitol of the U.S. is Omaha, Nebrska

-The entire book is showing how Randy and his family support and help each other to get through the war. John Titor repeatedly stressed how important family is in his time

-John Titor claimed that one of the main reasons for the war was the instability of the western governments. This is why the war was caused in the book as well.

-Randy was stated in the book to be a very strong believer in the U.S constitution. John Titor also makes many references and claims to strongly agree with the U.S. constitution


Believe what you want but John Titor is a fake.


Same Thread:

Titor took at least 20 plot elements directly from "Alas, Babylon."

Both Titor’s story and “Alas, Babylon”:

1. Take place in Central Florida,

2. Is set Near MacDill AFB,

3. Is about a post apocolyptic nuclear war world,

4. The US and European cities are nuked by Russia into the stone age,

5. Half of the U.S. population is dead,

6. The name of the novel and the theme of Titor’s story indicate that the large U.S. cities are the seat of evil,

7. The protagonist owns a medium sized orange orchard and eats lots of oranges,

8. The protagonist laments the loss of and misses hearing recorded music,

9. The protagonist is a military officer,

10. The protagonist forms a shotgun militia,

11. The town where the story takes place is “Fort Repose” in “Alas, Babylon” and “Fort UF” (University of Florida) in Titor’s story

12. The town in each story is situated along a Central Florida river,

13. The town in each story is a suburb of Orlando,

14. Omaha plays a very central role in the story,

15. Capitol of the U.S. is moved to a mid-west city,

16. Having bicycle tires is mentioned as being very important more than once,

17. Carrying your own water is central idea

18. Everything important is written on a typrwriter,

19. A central character is widowed because of the war,

20. A teenaged boy carries a shotgun in the militia


[edit on 25-6-2005 by NoJustice]



posted on Jun, 25 2005 @ 11:02 AM
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Do you want to know what is amazing to me? Its amazing to watch how oppressive people get who are argueing against Titor.

They think their opinion is the only one that counts.
I feel that it is an outrage. You could potentially be killing other lazy people like yourself, first by not reading what the man wrote, and then second by saying he is a fake, when you can't make a solid argument against him.

Nevermind the thousands to do see titor happening around them. I'm talking about the person that just found this website and woke up for the first time. One day he clicks on a Titor thread where you posted "he's a fake, nuff said" and they could "think" you had a solid argument but are too lazy to read everything.

Please Explain to me ... Other than your personal opinion, what evidence do you have that he is fake? The bottom line is you don't! So stop killing innocent women and children.

nuff said!



posted on Jun, 25 2005 @ 11:08 AM
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WheretoHide2006, so where is your rebuttal to the over 20 plot points used from the story Alas, Babylon? Are you ignoring the facts (again) wow it's amazing what some would do not to convince themselves of the truth. I guess it's human nature to never admit defeat.

Wait wait let me guess, the writer must of time traveled back to 1959 and wrote the book and it just happened to corralate with John Titor's story. Of course, yeah obvious explaination.


[edit on 25-6-2005 by NoJustice]



posted on Jun, 25 2005 @ 11:16 AM
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Where2Hide

I just find it amazing that whether John Titor was real, a Fake, a Alien, or a f'n street sweeper, it shouldn't detract from what he was saying and how it relates to the world today.

For instance; lets take the assumption John is a fake. There is John one day sitting in his appartment and he looks through the web, watches the news and sees the general direction of the world. He then plays a game with himself linking the previous causes of things in the world, with their effects, and then their resultant effects, and so on projecting that outwards to some distant time period. He then writes a story about how he traveled back in time and viola a legend is born.

In this scenerio John is most certainly "A fake" as it relates to his story of time travel. However, it does not discredit his views on the future. If those views started to come true that doesn't mean he is true, or real - but it does mean IMO that we should start taking the causes and effects seriously, and if we don't like where they ended up in Johns' story, then maybe we should do something about it now...

This is what I have ment by not judging the messanger, but the message. However this seems to be lost as for NOJUSTICE seems more interested in focusing on who John was/wasn't rather than what John did say.



posted on Jun, 25 2005 @ 11:45 AM
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Originally posted by NoJustice
WheretoHide2006, so where is your rebuttal to the over 20 plot points used from the story Alas, Babylon? Are you ignoring the facts (again) wow it's amazing what some would do not to convince themselves of the truth. I guess it's human nature to never admit defeat.

Wait wait let me guess, the writer must of time traveled back to 1959 and wrote the book and it just happened to corralate with John Titor's story. Of course, yeah obvious explaination.


[edit on 25-6-2005 by NoJustice]


What kind of "facts" are you talking about?

Are you perhaps referring to Morgan Robertson?

Did you know that he "predicted" the end result of the Titanic?

In 1898 Morgan wrote a novel that at the time was seen as so far-fetched as to not be believable. The novel detailed the harrowing tragedy of an ocean liner called the Titan.

Have a nice day!

Roth Joint



posted on Jun, 25 2005 @ 11:52 AM
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! First, let me say I was set up in the second to last post. I posted before the original poster went back and edited his post to include the 20 points. then i was accused of avoiding facts in the very next post. I just wanted to clear that up for the record.

The 20 Points ... 1st seems like you stretched it, and should only be 10 points. But that is not the argument that i am making. Alas Babylon and John Titor, both seem to have been able to see this day coming years ago, while you still can not. Because you frequent this site often, i know that evenutally you will see it coming. There is still hope for you.

The following is a post that I made in another Titor thread. It explains how the civil war "could" start ... with its roots going back to 2004. Now tell me that you don't see this coming.

Actually, I do believe what Titor was saying...and i do not think there will be Tanks in the streets this year and a Civil War this year...but i do see the start of one, or at least a few reasons for one.
Here is what I see happening. No I am not a timetraveler/

My Timeline ... no i am not a timetraveler.

2004
A split election and 50% of the population is upset over the result. An illegal war continues, and the world strays away from American Policy.
Reforms within America Continue as Republicans start to take power.

2005
As a result of domestic policy Privacy, Freedom, and Constitution and americas foreign policy, several groups form, and the lines are drawn.
There will be arrests and a raid or two...but almost no news coverage. You will see these are the roots of the war that is to follow.
the next 4 years it continues to escilate.


2006
America is attacked by a foreign nation, Bush then leads the nation into war. Not sure if its going to be Iran or Korea.
First thing Bush does is pass more reforms taking away your rights and privacy.
Then comes the draft...leads to more unrest in the cities as people will not want to die in an unjust war. Draftees will be taken by force from their homes and sent to training. In a show of force, riot squads and tanks are sent to the cities to keep the peace. Homes are illegally searched, and leaders of rebellious factions are arrested and held without charges or rights. This is where we see the start of 2 americas, the cities and the rurals. Its not about blue states and red states, because every state is divided. The cities are anti-war and anti-Bush. See county voting maps!

2007
Muslim Terrorist Cells attack at least once within America, taking hostages...possible shopping mall or school. The Media is giving a lot of attention to the demands of the Terrorists. The Govt. doesn't negotiate. We see a greater divide.

The Govt. will push to far taking away your freedoms in the constitution, for the sake of Security...this will cause "Radical Groups" or Suburbian/Urban Militia Groups to form, and quickly become labeled as "American Domestic Terrorists".

The people will be outraged over the outcome of their confrontation...which would be on the news live, and all of the "American Domestic Terrorists" are killed, while not firing a shot (waco like). At this point I expect there to be the Waco style attacks that John was talking about. (NOT IN 2005)
Small groups will form at first, after the next waco type massacre these groups will grow in size and start to bomb Government Buildings in retalliation.

You too at first will think that these people are working with the Muslims/Koreans to tear apart this country. But these first myrters will become hero's of the New Confederation.
Over time the people will see that this country needs a change. They will march, it will be The protests of the Vietnam era all over again, only worse.

Their is wavering support for Israel at home, and it is attacked by Syria when Syria enters the war against America with Iran. America Counter Attacks ... creating a bigger mess than just fighting Iran.

2008
Around this time the Economy ... i don't want to say collapse, but worse than the great depression. Maybe the dollar collapses because of the HUGE debt we keep multiplying with these continuous wars mabye its the housing market crash (Japan went into a decade long depression becuase of the their housing market crash). Maybe its OPEC changing their reserve currency because of the Iran War..maybe its all of those things at once, who knows?

Their will be an Oil embargo against America by all OPEC nations. The price of Oil would be too expensive anyway. Get your bikes ready!

2008 Election - Republicans keep power by using SCARE TACTICS - maybe of a Russian & Iran Allience...maybe its a Muslim Crusade?. They win the rural communities and lose the cities. Riots continue in the cities, only getting worse as food shortages start to become more common. Rations begin for OIL and Food.

2009

At this point the world media is showing the "American Domestic Terrorist" side of things...while American Media "Govt. Controlled" is painting a negative picture. The Militia is getting more and more coverage on the news, and when they get their message out... "responsibility to defend americas constitution" the people will wake up and will want to work with the world rather than rule over it...a little too late for that though

A new Declaration of Indepence will be written in Philadelphia by an African American Student. The Momentum is starting to swing in favor of the cities. Because the Rural communities begin to see the price of freedom, and how far one will go to be free and that everyones measure of freedom will not be the same. Rural communities will start to preach about working together and being tolerant of others. That is where we need the change the most.

That was that good news...This is when it starts to get real bad...because the people demand the removal of every politician from office. Will the politicians try to hold their power, or submit to the will of the people like USSR collapsed when the People overthrew them??? My money is on, they will try to keep their power base.

2010
Not pretty at all. Food shortage, unemployment, riots, civil unrest, and at this point we are losing the Iran War, and our Draftees are dieing in high numbers. Wouldn't it be something if around this time Mad Cow or Bird Flu breaks out?

After the economic collapse, China Europe Austailia and Japan were all left in horrible shape...and blamed America. World sentiment at this point would be Anyone but America can lead the world.

Food shortages go world wide and Korean people are starving, but we stop sending the rest of the world food and start to hoard it for ourselves.

2012
The politicians still haven't left office...Russia starts to mobilize to take out the American Threat and this is the year that either Yellowstone or Sumatra blows up ... or ... Something happens???

2015
Russia/China allience launches nukes on American Cities.

2016-2026
Long Period of Mop Up.


These things were sent in motion years ago.



[edit on 25-6-2005 by Where2Hide2006]



posted on Jun, 25 2005 @ 12:10 PM
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Do you really want to wait until October 2005?

Titor=Titanic

Are you going to do something or just sit on your lazy ass waiting until BB will "fix" everything for you?

www.lux-aeterna.co.nz...
The ‘Titanic’ struck an iceberg at 11.40pm on 14th April 1912 and sank a little over two hours later at 2.20 am on the 15th. It was fourteen years after 'Futility' had been published.

I began to feel that his novel must have been inspired. It was as though something had put the idea into the head of Morgan Robertson, some Source of Intelligence that knew the future in precise detail.

The book, originally entitled ‘Futility’ was published by M.F. Mansfield in New York in 1898. It was republished in 1912, after the Titanic sank, under the title ‘Futility and the Wreck of the Titan’. There have been a few editions since, notably a 1974 one by the Titanic Historical Society which printed the story of the Titan, that of the Titanic, and recounted various other paranormal experiences surrounding the loss of the Titanic.

In the 1990s, quite a number of editions were printed. With one exception, they are reprints of the 1912 edition, or a mixture of 1898 and 1912 editions.

Rather curiously, the Titan statistics were changed, perhaps by ‘enthusiastic’ editors in 1912 to make the prophecy better? They made it worse. A happier ‘Hollywood style’ ending was also added.



posted on Jun, 25 2005 @ 03:46 PM
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I asked for the links to the quotes because how do i know you ain't making some stuff* up to make yourself look good. You people are all out of your minds and need some clinical help.

*profanity edit*

[edit on 26-6-2005 by dbates]



posted on Jun, 26 2005 @ 11:24 AM
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Think about it what you want....

John Titor: "I realize my claims are a bit ridiculous but my intent is not really to be believed." "You must realize that why people are fighting is more important that what they are fighting with. The conflict was not about taking and holding ground it was about order and rights. They were betting that people wanted security instead of freedom and they were wrong."


Group Vows to Oppose "Minutemen"

LAST UPDATE: 6/24/2005 10:56:19 PM
Posted By: Jim Forsyth

Several south Texas civil rights activists today announced plans to
stop the civilian volunteer organization called the "Minutemen" from
holding a planned anti illegal immigration operation on the Texas
Mexico border in October.

"This is nothing short of a brazen call to arms against our
government," Antonio Diaz, who attended the Minutemen organization
meeting in Goliad Monday night, told a city hall news
conference. "This leaves no doubt in my mind that this group is one
extremely dangerous, anarchist organization."

Many activists expressed concerns that the Minutemen would 'stop
Hispanics on the streets and ask for papers,' and some compared the
volunteer group to Adolf Hitler's Nazi party.

"When I was at the meeting in Goliad on Monday I was thinking, 'the
National Socialist Party in Germany, otherwise known as Nazis, must
have started like this'," Diaz told 1200 WOAI news.

The organization said it will urge elected representatives ranging
from the San Antonio City Council to the Texas Legislature, to pass
resolutions against the minutemen, which Rosa Rosales of the League
of United Latin American Citizens says has 'no respect for the rule
of law.'

"This is a human rights issue, and that's the way it should be
treated," Rosales said. "They are violating human rights."

The San Antonio group is one of many forming across Texas to oppose
the Minutemen in the wake of it's organizing effort in Goliad this
week. The Contra MInuteman Coalition was formed Thursday in Corpus
Christi with the same goal.

"The modern day Minutemen is a problem to American justice and the
American system," veteran labor activist Jaime Martinez said.

Many of the demonstrators carried signs reading "Amnestia," demanding
amnesty for illegal aliens now in the U.S. The news conference was
held behind a banner showing the Statue of Liberty behind a barbed
wire fence and carrying the message, "No Human Being is Illegal."

"I don't want to be stopped in the streets here in San Antonio
because I sound foreign or look foreign, by a stranger who will stop
me and ask me for papers," Martinez said.

The Minuteman Civil Defense Corps said they have no plans to 'stop
people and ask for papers,' and simply want to be 'an extra set of
eyes and ears' for the U.S. Border Patrol and other authorities
trying to diminish what volunteers see as a growing problem of
illegal immigration.

There were no complaints of civil rights violations when a Minuteman
chapter patrolled the Arizona-Mexico border in April, although the
effectiveness of the group in preventing illegal aliens from entering
the U.S. from Mexico is debated.

Members of the anti Minutemen coalition cited President Bush's
comments during an appearance with Mexico's President Vicente Fox in
Waco in March in which he called the MInutemen 'vigilantes.'

Minuteman organizer Chris Simcox says he hopes to form four Minuteman
chapters in Texas, and have the volunteers patrolling the Texas
border this fall.

Taken from:
www.woai.com...
4AD1-89A7-D589435345C5



posted on Jun, 26 2005 @ 12:07 PM
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Think about it what you want.....

www.bloomberg.com...

Iran Will Pursue Nuclear Program, New President Says (Update2)

June 26 (Bloomberg) -- Iran will pursue a nuclear energy program that the U.S. opposes because it needs to generate electricity, said Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, speaking a day after he was announced winner of the country's presidential election.

"We need this technology to produce energy,'' Ahmadinejad, 48, said at his first press conference since winning 62 percent of the vote in the elections on June 24. "We need it for the development of our country and we shall carry on with it,'' he told reporters in a live broadcast on television news stations, including the British Broadcasting Corp.

The election victory of Ahmadinejad gives Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei's supporters absolute control of Iran, holder of the world's second-largest oil and gas reserves, after they won a majority in parliament in February 2004. Ahmadinejad said dialogue with the U.S., which accuses Iran of seeking to develop nuclear weapons, would have to be based on "fairness and mutual respect.''

The U.S. has imposed unilateral economic sanctions on the country of 70 million, forbidding U.S. companies from investing or selling goods such as computers or aircraft there. As a result Iran has had to rely on European and Asian companies for investment and technology to develop its economy.

The U.S. remains "skeptical'' the new Iranian leader will address either the legitimate desires of its own people, or the concerns of the broader international community, said the U.S. State Department, Agence France-Presse reported on June 25.

The new government will try to forge better relations with Gulf Arab states, Ahmadinejad said. "We will make it a priority to develop our relationship with our neighbors in the region, with which we have deep religious and cultural ties,'' he told reporters.

Concern that rising oil prices may threaten global growth prompted the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries on June 15 to raise production quotas for a fifth time in a year to 28 million barrels of oil a day. The group is considering adding 500,000 barrels of oil a day if prices stay above $50 a barrel.

No More Oil

Iran and its partners in OPEC are pumping oil at "the highest possible level'' and can't increase production to meet surging global demand that has pushed crude to $60 a barrel, Iranian central bank governor Ebrahim Sheibany said.

"Not only Iran, I believe that other countries at this time have no spare capacity for production,'' Sheibany told reporters during the annual meeting of the Bank for International Settlements in Basel, Switzerland today.

Ahmadinejad's government will seek "justice, peace and co- existence'' in its foreign relations, he said. He called Pakistan, with which Iran shares a border, a "friendly neighbor.''

To contact the reporter on this story:
James Cordahi in Dubai on at cherifcord@bloomberg.net
Jacob Greber in Zurich at jgreber@bloomberg.net
Last Updated: June 26, 2005 10:34 EDT



posted on Jun, 26 2005 @ 04:14 PM
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Originally posted by Where2Hide2006
! First, let me say I was set up in the second to last post. I posted before the original poster went back and edited his post to include the 20 points. then i was accused of avoiding facts in the very next post. I just wanted to clear that up for the record.

The 20 Points ... 1st seems like you stretched it, and should only be 10 points. But that is not the argument that i am making. Alas Babylon and John Titor, both seem to have been able to see this day coming years ago, while you still can not. Because you frequent this site often, i know that evenutally you will see it coming. There is still hope for you.

The following is a post that I made in another Titor thread. It explains how the civil war "could" start ... with its roots going back to 2004. Now tell me that you don't see this coming.

Actually, I do believe what Titor was saying...and i do not think there will be Tanks in the streets this year and a Civil War this year...but i do see the start of one, or at least a few reasons for one.
Here is what I see happening. No I am not a timetraveler/

My Timeline ... no i am not a timetraveler.

2004
A split election and 50% of the population is upset over the result. An illegal war continues, and the world strays away from American Policy.
Reforms within America Continue as Republicans start to take power.

2005
As a result of domestic policy Privacy, Freedom, and Constitution and americas foreign policy, an-anti government group forms (THE MINUTEMENT), and the lines are drawn.
There will be arrests and a raid or two...but almost no news coverage. You will see these are the roots of the war that is to follow.
the next 4 years it continues to escilate.


2006
America is attacked by a foreign nation, Bush then leads the nation into war. Not sure if its going to be Iran or Korea.
First thing Bush does is pass more reforms taking away your rights and privacy.
Then comes the draft...leads to more unrest in the cities as people will not want to die in an unjust war. Draftees will be taken by force from their homes and sent to training. In a show of force, riot squads and tanks are sent to the cities to keep the peace. Homes are illegally searched, and leaders of rebellious factions are arrested and held without charges or rights. This is where we see the start of 2 americas, the cities and the rurals. Its not about blue states and red states, because every state is divided. The cities are anti-war and anti-Bush. See county voting maps!

2007
Muslim Terrorist Cells attack at least once within America, taking hostages...possible shopping mall or school. The Media is giving a lot of attention to the demands of the Terrorists. The Govt. doesn't negotiate. We see a greater divide.

The Govt. will push to far taking away your freedoms in the constitution, for the sake of Security...this will cause "Radical Groups" or Suburbian/Urban Militia Groups to form, and quickly become labeled as "American Domestic Terrorists".

The people will be outraged over the outcome of their confrontation...which would be on the news live, and all of the "American Domestic Terrorists" are killed, while not firing a shot (waco like). At this point I expect there to be the Waco style attacks that John was talking about. (NOT IN 2005)
Small groups will form at first, after the next waco type massacre these groups will grow in size and start to bomb Government Buildings in retalliation.

You too at first will think that these people are working with the Muslims/Koreans to tear apart this country. But these first myrters will become hero's of the New Confederation.
Over time the people will see that this country needs a change. They will march, it will be The protests of the Vietnam era all over again, only worse.

Their is wavering support for Israel at home, and it is attacked by Syria when Syria enters the war against America with Iran. America Counter Attacks ... creating a bigger mess than just fighting Iran.

2008
Around this time the Economy ... i don't want to say collapse, but worse than the great depression. Maybe the dollar collapses because of the HUGE debt we keep multiplying with these continuous wars mabye its the housing market crash (Japan went into a decade long depression becuase of the their housing market crash). Maybe its OPEC changing their reserve currency because of the Iran War..maybe its all of those things at once, who knows?

Their will be an Oil embargo against America by all OPEC nations. The price of Oil would be too expensive anyway. Get your bikes ready!

2008 Election - Republicans keep power by using SCARE TACTICS - maybe of a Russian & Iran Allience...maybe its a Muslim Crusade?. They win the rural communities and lose the cities. Riots continue in the cities, only getting worse as food shortages start to become more common. Rations begin for OIL and Food.

2009

At this point the world media is showing the "American Domestic Terrorist" side of things...while American Media "Govt. Controlled" is painting a negative picture. The Militia is getting more and more coverage on the news, and when they get their message out... "responsibility to defend americas constitution" the people will wake up and will want to work with the world rather than rule over it...a little too late for that though

A new Declaration of Indepence will be written in Philadelphia by an African American Student. The Momentum is starting to swing in favor of the cities. Because the Rural communities begin to see the price of freedom, and how far one will go to be free and that everyones measure of freedom will not be the same. Rural communities will start to preach about working together and being tolerant of others. That is where we need the change the most.

That was that good news...This is when it starts to get real bad...because the people demand the removal of every politician from office. Will the politicians try to hold their power, or submit to the will of the people like USSR collapsed when the People overthrew them??? My money is on, they will try to keep their power base.

2010
Not pretty at all. Food shortage, unemployment, riots, civil unrest, and at this point we are losing the Iran War, and our Draftees are dieing in high numbers. Wouldn't it be something if around this time Mad Cow or Bird Flu breaks out?
At this point it is clear America is fighting Iran abroad, and fighting a domestic "civil" war here at home. The UN is called in, in force... to keep the peace in America. Only a few actually come to our aid. England and maybe Poland.

After the economic collapse, China Europe Austailia and Japan were all left in horrible shape...and everyone blamed America. World sentiment at this point would be Anyone but America can lead the world.

Food shortages go world wide and Korean people are starving, but we stop sending the rest of the world food and start to hoard it for ourselves.

2012
The politicians still haven't left office, things have got a lot worse. NO WMDs at this point in either war, but disease (bird flu or Mad Cow) has wiped out a lot of the people...Russia starts to mobilize to take out the American Threat because without peace in the world the Economy will not come back, doomsayers are calling this Armeggedon!

and this is the year that either Yellowstone or Sumatra blows up ... or ... Well Something happens its 2012, right???

2015
World Economy is tanked' America is getting its arse kicked in Iran, put refuses to quit. Its a very personal fight. America fires the first Nuke at (Iran/Korea) in the war. Russia does a suprise counter attack on most american cities. American Govt. is completly wiped out in the attack.

2016-2026
Long Period of Mop Up. A constitutional congress runs the country for a couple of years, trying to find the problem with our system to create a more perfect one. Then they divide the country into 5 regions, for diversity of law, 1 union, 1 dollar. Then the constitutional congress turns America over The People! Creating a "True" Democracy!


These things were sent in motion years ago.



[edit on 25-6-2005 by Where2Hide2006]



posted on Jun, 26 2005 @ 04:26 PM
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LOL could happen i suppose, as all the silly laws being passed through l8ly in USA people are not going to be happy.....


[edit on 26-6-2005 by blobby]



posted on Jun, 26 2005 @ 06:02 PM
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Every weird whacked out theory or lie out there has someone believing in it, or it wouldn't be known. I think I might just have to come up with something on the internet like this, fun to mess with people's head.
No not really I wouldn't do that, I see how poor misguided people like WheretoHide and RothJoint, who desperately need something to believe in apparently, can go overboard with this sort of thing.

Your mind can work for you or against you I supposed, that's why it's such a powerful thing.

Hey Roth and WheretoHide I have a question, do you go out in public and tell people about this stuff? coworkers? or what about your parents? or is it a "secret" internet thing that you know about.

"Hey mom, there's something I want to tell you, but...I just don't know how"


And also, serious question, how old are each of you? Just curious. There's no reason you should be ashamed to tell.

And by the way WheretoHide, I did not purposely "set you up" I often edit my posts and you responded only to what I had said before I added the 20 relations to the book, but I didn't know that you hadn't seen the rest of the post.

[edit on 26-6-2005 by NoJustice]



posted on Jun, 26 2005 @ 06:09 PM
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And the many random taser incidents are only just the beginning, an image of what's to come.... carte blanche for the use of tasers...

Officers cleared [again] in Taser case

POLICE FOLLOWED PROCEDURE WHEN DEATH OCCURRED, DA SAYS

By David Herbert

Mercury News

For the second time in four days, the San Mateo County district attorney has cleared police officers for their roles in deadly confrontations on the Peninsula.

District Attorney James Fox determined Friday that three Pacifica officers were following procedure when they fired Taser stun guns nine times at a drug-addled man who died shortly after a Jan. 2 struggle with police.

Prosecutors found that Gregory Saulsbury Jr., 30, was a danger to police and family members, and the officers were trying to calm him when he lunged at them. The official cause of death was ruled cardiopulmonary arrest stemming from coc aine in his system, his forcible restraint and the shocks he received from the Taser guns.

Police across the country have been embracing Tasers, which can deliver a 50,000-volt shock, as non-lethal alternatives to bullets. But criticism is mounting in Northern California, where Tasers have been connected to at least eight deaths since August.

``I think this is and will continue to be part of a national debate on the usage of Tasers,'' said John Burris, the Saulsbury family's attorney who is suing the Pacifica Police Department, alleging officers used excessive force and failed to permit emergency crews to treat him at the scene.

Burris said the district attorney's decision was ``disappointing but not surprising,'' and that the family would press on with a civil suit.

In Saulsbury's death, Burris took issue with how liberally the police used their stun guns. Two officers activated their Tasers a total of 11 times, with six of those hitting Saulsbury. In the struggle, two officers were hit a total of three times, and Saulsbury's father was also shocked twice when he tried to intervene.

The coroner's report detected 22 marks on Saulsbury's body, and noted that a single activation lasts five seconds, meaning that Tasers could have struck Saulsbury more than once with each pull of the trigger.

``The number and frequency was what was most shocking to the family,'' Burris said.

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posted on Jun, 26 2005 @ 07:28 PM
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NOJUSTICE:

You seem to ignore me? Why? Am I not worthy of ridicule? I can try harder! LOL!!

Seriously though, no one is saying it is true, merely that there are some very odd cionsidense, wouldn't you think? Can you at least see your way to that point? Or is it merely how you see the world and anything, including the most longshots coming true, will not cause you to question?



posted on Jun, 27 2005 @ 11:57 AM
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back on topic,

"The American Civil War of 2005 as predicted by John Titor"



waco-type event watch, June 27th 2005.

0 events reported


stay tuned



posted on Jun, 28 2005 @ 03:33 AM
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Originally posted by syrinx high priest
back on topic,

"The American Civil War of 2005 as predicted by John Titor"

waco-type event watch, June 27th 2005.

0 events reported

stay tuned


I understand it's difficult to let go of old illusions. Perhaps giving up "achieved" beliefs and securities is too difficult and cling to the "veil" covering your eyes keeping you blind too comfortable.

The 2 above mentioned taser incidents are the "Waco-type events "John Titor" was talking about. They are happening every month and these cases will increase in their intensity.

In both cases innocent people were killed without firing a shot. In both cases all law enforcement officers were cleared without prosecution.

www.newsmax.com.../7/21/162504

Danforth Report Clears Feds at Waco

UPI
Saturday, July 22, 2000

ST. LOUIS – Former Sen. John Danforth on Friday cleared the federal government of wrongdoing in the 51-day siege at the Branch Davidian compound in Waco, Texas. He blamed the followers of cult leader David Koresh for starting the fire that killed about 80 people.

After a 10-month investigation, Danforth released his preliminary conclusions at a news conference.

Attorney General Janet Reno appointed the Missouri Republican to investigate the April 19, 1993, government assault on the Branch Davidian compound after years of charges that the FBI fired on the Davidians, igniting tear gas. The raid has become a rallying point for militia groups and the alleged impetus for the bombing of the Oklahoma City federal building by Timothy McVeigh.

"Government agents did not start the fire at Waco," Danforth said in releasing his preliminary findings. He also concluded there was no misuse of the military and no cover-up.

"There was no evidence of any wrongdoing on the part of Attorney General Reno, the present and former director of the FBI, other high officials of the United States," Danforth said.

"The Davidians set their place on fire. They spread fuel. They set it on fire," he said. "The other thing that happened was that they began shooting their own, including children. Five children were shot to death in the head, execution. One child under the age of four was stabbed to death."

In answer to a question, Danforth said his investigation placed the blame for the Waco tragedy "squarely" on the shoulders of Koresh and his followers, who refused to surrender.

He said the Davidians resisted a legitimate arrest warrant with gunfire and refused for 51 days to surrender to the FBI, setting the stage for the tear gas assault by federal agents.

Deputy Assistant Attorney General Eric Holder issued a statement praising the report on behalf of the Justice Department. Holder directly supervises the FBI as part of his duties.

"We are pleased that Senator Danforth has determined that the responsibility for the tragedy at Waco rests with the Branch Davidians, not the government. It is a finding entirely consistent with the decision rendered by a jury in Waco just last week," Holder said.

"Today's independent review sheds further light on the truth, and discredits many of the unsubstantiated allegations that have skewed the public's perception of the events of April 19, 1993. The events at Waco led to the deaths of at least 80 Davidians and four ATF agents. We join Senator Danforth in wishing that this report begins the process of restoring the faith of the people in their government."

However, Danforth criticized the FBI for being less than open about the tragedy after it occurred and said that reluctance to disclose information fed public suspicion.

"There is no doubt in my mind about the conclusions of this report," Danforth said in the preface to the document.

"Government agents did not start or spread the tragic fire of April 19, 1993, did not direct gunfire at the Branch Davidians and did not unlawfully employ the armed forces of the United States."

Danforth's report came after a federal jury in Waco issued an opinion that government agents were not responsible in a wrongful death civil suit brought by Davidian survivors and relatives.

The special counsel was blunt in his assessment.

"What is remarkable is the overwhelming evidence exonerating the government from the charges against it, and the lack of any real evidence to support the charges of bad acts," Danforth said.

"This lack of evidence is particularly remarkable in light of the widespread and persistent public belief that the government engaged in bad acts at Waco. ... The readiness of so many of us to accept as true the dark theories about government actions at Waco deserves serious attention by all of us."

All Americans carry the images of Waco, he said.

"In the face of such calamity, we have a need to affix blame. Things like this just can't happen; they must be the government's fault," Danforth said in his report.

"We are somehow able to ignore the contrary evidence – never mind the fact that the FBI waited for 51 days without firing a shot, never mind the evidence that Davidians started the fire, never mind that FBI agents risked their own lives in their efforts to rescue the Davidians – and we buy into the notion that the government would deliberately kill 80 people in a burning building."

Danforth said the only "antidote to public distrust is government openness and candor. Instead, and tragically, just the opposite occurred after Waco."

He said the government did "nothing evil" at the end of the siege, but "its failure to fully and openly disclose to the American public all that it did has fueled speculation that it actually committed bad acts on that day. Even in their dealings with this investigation, some government [FBI] officials have struggled to keep a close hold on information.

"More importantly," he added, the FBI did not disclose for six years that agents used three pyrotechnic tear gas devices several hours before the fire started.

"This non-disclosure is especially puzzling because the use of these pyrotechnics had nothing to do with the fire. They were used four hours before the fire began, 75 feet from the Branch Davidian residence, and in a manner that could cause no harm," he said.

Agreeing with Danforth, Holder said the FBI's non-disclosure for six years of the use of three pyrotechnic tear gas rounds before the end of the siege "is especially puzzling because the use of these pyrotechnics had nothing to do with the fire."

Holder said the "overwhelming evidence demonstrates that the attorney general sought and received assurances [from the FBI] that pyrotechnic gas rounds would not be used. And the evidence is equally conclusive that she received information that such rounds were not used."



posted on Jun, 28 2005 @ 07:47 AM
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"The 2 above mentioned taser incidents are the "Waco-type events "John Titor" was talking about. They are happening every month and these cases will increase in their intensity. "


wrong ! ( think gene wilder as willy wonka at the end of the movie )


waco was the gov using flame throwers and tanks to kill citizens.


Are you a US citizen roth joint ? will you be trying to kill me by the end of the year over taser incidents ?. Seriuosly. I'm asking you a direct question. Will you pick up a gun and blow my head off because of tasers ? Will you make my kids fatherless by cutting my throat and discarding my body like trash ? will you set a mine beneath my car and make me a bloody pool of lifeless meat ? over tasers ? this year ???????

why do the titor believers need this to be true so strongly they ignore obvious evidence he was just a preachy hoaxer ?



posted on Jun, 28 2005 @ 08:29 AM
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Originally posted by syrinx high priest
why do the titor believers need this to be true so strongly they ignore obvious evidence he was just a preachy hoaxer ?


a. They have nothing better to do?
b. They've been brainwashed by someone?
c. They're easily convinced because they love conspiracies?
d. They have nothing better to do?
e. They're joking, they don't really believe in any of this, they just want to argue?
f. They have nothing better to do?
g. They need to believe in something?
h. all of the above, except b and e [x]

I'll take h or maybe e.

You guys never answered my questions on how old you are and do you tell your parents and people outside the internet about all of this?



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