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# The American Civil War of 2005 as predicted by John Titor

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posted on Aug, 30 2008 @ 03:13 AM

You said, "I will not contradict myself." So here we have you in a contradiction....You said, " if everything about string theory is correct and true, that further debunks titor's." How can it debunk titor if it has nothing by which to measure anything else? I'm awaiting for your needle in the haystack logic on this one. lol

lol yourself. apparently you cannot read plain english sentences. the word "if" is in there, which is what makes the base of the argument. i never contradict myself, you just do not understand english. sorry, that is your problem, not mine.

posted on Aug, 30 2008 @ 03:22 AM

now that i look, apparently twice now you completely missed the qualifier in my sentences. no wonder this is going nowhere, you either cannot read or are not bothering to. forget the cat, it doesnt apply here and if you truly understood it, you would get that. we are discussing what you believe is a real man who really traveled through time, are we not? let's stick to that. if you cannot understand why i would question someone hanging their story on the basis of someone else's understanding of theories that are incomplete, unproven, and just theories and state that if they were to prove those theories as they stand, it would contradict the story to begin with, then i cannot help you. so let me start with a simple question and see if you can follow along ok?

have you ever read the book "Alas Babylon?"

posted on Aug, 30 2008 @ 01:13 PM

Azrael75
apparently you cannot read plain english sentences. the word "if" is in there, which is what makes the base of the argument. i never contradict myself, you just do not understand english. sorry, that is your problem, not mine.

No, it has nothing to do with English 101. Your IF statement is a condition in which your theory depends on, it contradicts with your line of thought. It's that simple and not my problem... You NOW seem to deny your own doctrine. Now that is funny....lol

Azrael75
now that i look, apparently twice now you completely missed the qualifier in my sentences. no wonder this is going nowhere, you either cannot read or are not bothering to. forget the cat, it doesnt apply here and if you truly understood it, you would get that.

qualifier in my sentences... that's another funny one. lol

How could I not read or not bother when I clearly have your words quoted with my responses. Maybe you have an unconscious defense mechanism when it comes to the Titor subject, maybe the thought of Titor threatens your way of life. You can block it out or twist it to your delight, it will only get you no where. I never purposed to fully address the cat, that would be to simple.

sorry for the excessive lol's, I can't help it...

Azrael75
we are discussing what you believe is a real man who really traveled through time, are we not? let's stick to that.

I can't say if he was real or not, neither can I say he traveled through time. That part doesn't matter from my pov, the discussing is more about what he said. In this thread the discussing is about a possible Civil War.

And now it seems your leading to militant Anti-Titor propaganda, for which has derailed the subject routinely and constantly repeating the same old lies. No worry here, you will be digging your own hole again.

re22666

have you ever read the book "Alas Babylon?"

I know this one full well..... your hole is getting deeper...

[edit on 30-8-2008 by imitator]

posted on Aug, 30 2008 @ 02:21 PM

Originally posted by imitator

Azrael75
apparently you cannot read plain english sentences. the word "if" is in there, which is what makes the base of the argument. i never contradict myself, you just do not understand english. sorry, that is your problem, not mine.

No, it has nothing to do with English 101. Your IF statement is a condition in which your theory depends on, it contradicts with your line of thought. It's that simple and not my problem... You NOW seem to deny your own doctrine. Now that is funny....lol

Azrael75
now that i look, apparently twice now you completely missed the qualifier in my sentences. no wonder this is going nowhere, you either cannot read or are not bothering to. forget the cat, it doesnt apply here and if you truly understood it, you would get that.

qualifier in my sentences... that's another funny one. lol

How could I not read or not bother when I clearly have your words quoted with my responses. Maybe you have an unconscious defense mechanism when it comes to the Titor subject, maybe the thought of Titor threatens your way of life. You can block it out or twist it to your delight, it will only get you no where. I never purposed to fully address the cat, that would be to simple.

sorry for the excessive lol's, I can't help it...

Azrael75
we are discussing what you believe is a real man who really traveled through time, are we not? let's stick to that.

I can't say if he was real or not, neither can I say he traveled through time. That part doesn't matter from my pov, the discussing is more about what he said. In this thread the discussing is about a possible Civil War.

And now it seems your leading to militant Anti-Titor propaganda, for which has derailed the subject routinely and constantly repeating the same old lies. No worry here, you will be digging your own hole again.

re22666

have you ever read the book "Alas Babylon?"

I know this one full well..... your hole is getting deeper...

[edit on 30-8-2008 by imitator]

Actually, he did not contradict himself and used that if correctly. What are you reading? This whole thread is insane. You have not once even attempted to answer any question posed to you, you just keep babbling; and as an english teacher, you do not have to trust anything i say about Titor, but your entire post mocking Azrael makes you look extremely ignorant. Maybe you can induldge me without turning to empty mockery. Have you ever read the story, "Alas, Babylon?"

Please, do not attempt to correct my grammar. I have no idea where you learned English but you need to stop trying to tell people what they said when you clearly did not understand it. Leave that to people that do understand the language. I am curious about your friend, John. Will you induldge my questions, or would you rather rant and rave some more about how little you understood what was said to you?

posted on Aug, 30 2008 @ 03:04 PM
Lol, I'm just wondering is John Titor ever going to go away? The Olympics went off without a hitch and the 2004 olympics were supposed to be the last "official" olympics according to him. How on earth are there still believers in this guy? I would love to see John Titor come out of the hole he crawled into after he made his initial posts and tell everyone what morons they are.

posted on Aug, 30 2008 @ 03:43 PM
Again, his IF is a condition that depends on a theory that he supports, he then turns on his theory... that sound like a contradiction to me.... Now lets move along...... live with it.

Right your an English teacher lol.... I guess that is why you didn't capitalize i or the word english?

I have giving Azrael75 a heads up that I know this one full well. I expect a full meaningful post about the book from Azrael75....

From now on.... I will only deal with one person at a time. First up Azrael75.... "Alas, Babylon?" make your case....

[edit on 30-8-2008 by imitator]

posted on Aug, 30 2008 @ 04:20 PM

Right, because perfect grammar and capitalization on an internet forum mean anything. I suppose typos invalidate anyone as well? You sure seem to have an attitude. You are correct, he does turn on the theory, that is the conditional, the if refers to a theory he then states is invalid, the point being that the entire premise is illogical. You just do not get it. I am sorry you do not believe I am what I claim, that is fine but I am sure there is a reason that you are the only one that does not seem to understand what was said. You realize he invalidated the theory that the 'if' referes to, AND THAT WAS THE POINT OF THE ENTIRE STATEMENT- THAT IT IS ALL IVALID. Just leave it alone, you are not helping yourself by arguing that point. I am sorry that you do not feel like dealing with more than one person at a time. I had an actual question for you, not a challenge or an argument. I guess I have to get in line then? You portend to be such an intellectual yet you can only handle one person questioning you at a time? I see clearly you are the wrong person to seek any insight from then.

I was not looking for whatever fight you are already having. I had a genuine curiosity.

posted on Aug, 30 2008 @ 04:31 PM
IF you reread what was posted, he came to that conclusion because I pointed it out... IVALID.... AND THAT WAS THE POINT OF THE ENTIRE STATEMENT- THAT IT IS ALL IVALID. I first brought it up..... he turned it on himself.

Now wait in line.... Azrael75 is next.

Oh! referes and IVALID is spelled wrong, english teacher..

[edit on 30-8-2008 by imitator]

posted on Aug, 30 2008 @ 04:49 PM

Originally posted by imitator
IF you reread what was posted, he came to that conclusion because I pointed it out... IVALID.... AND THAT WAS THE POINT OF THE ENTIRE STATEMENT- THAT IT IS ALL IVALID. I first brought it up..... he turned it on himself.

Now wait in line.... Azrael75 is next.

Oh! referes and IVALID is spelled wrong, english teacher..

[edit on 30-8-2008 by imitator]

ohhh refers and INVALID typoed. I am sorry, i do not double check my posts. I just type real fast and hit post reply. When somene irritates me for no reason, I type worse than usual. Since there is no reason to even care about my typing here, I do not. Stop with the English already. He was making that point from the beginning. I know you wanted to be right that he contradicted himself but I proved that wrong. So now you want to take credit for him changing his mind? It can not be both. I will address this no more because it has nothing to do with the thread title, or the question taht I have posed to you. So you can go on reminding everyone how little you understood what you were arguing against all you like. You will stand alone. Noone will come to your defense on this. You will soon be arguing that you are the only one that understands how English works. Now can we talk about the book or not? Or is my question invalid because i accidentally typed "taht" instead of "that" and I am not going to go back and fix it.

Your choice, keep picking apart my typos since that is all you can get me on, or lets talk about John Titor.

You can have your language barrier conversation with Azrael all you like. You are wrong until anyone comes in here and can demonstrate how you are not. So let it go.

Have you read the book or not. Jesus, I wanted a conversation, now I think I despise you too much to even care.

posted on Aug, 30 2008 @ 04:54 PM
One does not need to read the book to read his story. Titors' posts are archived both here and at the TimeTravelInstitute. The book does not contain anything he said that you can not find on the net. In fact you can find more on the net then in that book.

I still believe Titor was being honest.

posted on Aug, 30 2008 @ 04:58 PM

Oh, and just for you, 'typoed' is not a word. I used a period where I should have used a question mark. I also use slang words and often contractions. Do you practice your job 24/7? I doubt it. I will tell you what though. If you cannot discuss Titor with me because you have a problem with my typos, then you can open a thread all about English. I would be more than happy to go there and discuss anythnig about the language that you like. I would be glad to teach you how it works. Here, I am going to be as casual as I feel. This is a forum about bigfoot and UFOs. I am not too worried that someone on a "time travel" thread has an issue with my typing.

posted on Aug, 30 2008 @ 05:00 PM

Originally posted by titorite
One does not need to read the book to read his story. Titors' posts are archived both here and at the TimeTravelInstitute. The book does not contain anything he said that you can not find on the net. In fact you can find more on the net then in that book.

I still believe Titor was being honest.

Are we discussing the same book? The book I speak of does not talk about John Titor. It was written in 1959. What is it that you think I am refering to?

posted on Aug, 30 2008 @ 05:10 PM

Ahh, I mis-read your words. Yall were speaking of Alas Babylon. ...

Yup What that book doesn't talking about is the poem a soldiers winter, or Hawking changing his mind about Black hole theory, or the invasion of Iraq over BS nukes, or the invention of seizure lights as less lethal weapons, Or women running for president in 08, ..

Alas Babylon is a good fiction with elements of his story. Tampa, post nuclear living, russians...

Titor has not gotten everything he spoke about 100% correct and he said that our reality wasn't his, but for what he has gotten right I find it all to be to close for comfort.

posted on Aug, 30 2008 @ 05:13 PM

Originally posted by titorite

Ahh, I mis-read your words. Yall were speaking of Alas Babylon. ...

Yup What that book doesn't talking about is the poem a soldiers winter, or Hawking changing his mind about Black hole theory, or the invasion of Iraq over BS nukes, or the invention of seizure lights as less lethal weapons, Or women running for president in 08, ..

Alas Babylon is a good fiction with elements of his story. Tampa, post nuclear living, russians...

Titor has not gotten everything he spoke about 100% correct and he said that our reality wasn't his, but for what he has gotten right I find it all to be to close for comfort.

Yes, it is quite amazing how he managed to describe a future about 80% inline with that of the fiction written in '59. You don't suppose he maybe stole some ideas from that book do you?

posted on Aug, 30 2008 @ 05:22 PM

I do not think you are paying as much attention to my words as you should since we are having this conversation. I already said I believe Titor was being honest. I do not think he lifted his story from that book no.

I think it is just one of those cases of art imitating life. Kinda like George Orwells 1984.

posted on Aug, 30 2008 @ 05:27 PM

You do not see any conflict in the fact that art did not, in fact, imitate life. Somone told you a story that in the future, things would happen, that happen to imitate art that already exsisted when he told this story yet, we still have no proof it actually happend. That does not seem at all conflicting to you?

ps to my other fine friend...run-on sentence up there. Go crazy with it.

posted on Aug, 30 2008 @ 05:41 PM

Originally posted by Tiamanicus

You do not see any conflict in the fact that art did not, in fact, imitate life. Somone told you a story that in the future, things would happen, that happen to imitate art that already exsisted when he told this story yet, we still have no proof it actually happend. That does not seem at all conflicting to you?

ps to my other fine friend...run-on sentence up there. Go crazy with it.

No I do not see the conflict because his story covered lot more than just post apocalyptic Tamps/jacksonville.

Take the seizure lights for example. Who could of predicted the invention of Flash lights that induce nausea, blindness, and seizures?

Also Alas Babylon speaks not a word about Quantum theory or particle accelerators. But Titor did say the Stephen Hawking would change his mind about his theory about Hawking Radiation. 4 years after he left the net HAWKING DID Exactly as Titor said he would.

I see similarities but not conflicts.

posted on Aug, 30 2008 @ 05:48 PM

The fact that John's story contained details the original did not means nothing. The fact that any of them so completely resembled ones in an old work of fiction add a serious grain of doubt to the entire story to me.

posted on Aug, 31 2008 @ 12:47 AM

]Tiamanicus
So now you want to take credit for him changing his mind? It can not be both.

Chinese Proverbs: "Donkey's lips do not fit onto a horse's mouth." Why meticulously search for minor, trivial ifs, ands, or buts that lead no where for Azrael75.... It's legitimately a needle in the haystack method of reasoning. Yes, I will claim to have changed his mind...lol

If your going to make a formal public statement as being a English Teacher.... At least........ ok I want go there anymore, you said it yourself, as if an internet forum mean anything.
So I guess you being a English Teacher really means nothing here. ((cough, conflict))

Now don't get all mad at me if we're about to be divertingly adventurous. Here is the deal, since your taking up where Azrael75 left off. You giving titorite nothing really.... You made 4 post about the subject, The name of the book, the date, and you say it's 80% inline with Titor without any details. So that is like 4 posts from you about the book? And you claim there is a conflict
Is that all?

posted on Aug, 31 2008 @ 01:00 AM

You know what? How about you either say something that is worthwhile or find something else to do. If I want to have a conversation with Titorite, that is my right. You do not need to be the judge and jury of every post I make here. This is not your thread. I am sorry if it bothers you that I understood that he was originally pointing out how invalid it all was because of the fact that it was based on a contradiction and it took you about 15 posts to even realize that was stated and then wanted to take credit for it, lol. I find you useless so far on this topic. Fight with Azrael all you want, but stop being a pain in my arse for no good reason.

[edit on 31/8/08 by Tiamanicus]

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