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The American Civil War of 2005 as predicted by John Titor

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posted on Jun, 9 2005 @ 04:00 PM
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Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
Let's say next year that there's an earthquake in China or somewhere and exactly 100,000 people die.
Will you then change your mind and say he's was talking about that or was he talking about the tsunami.


Well, then give me one, just one recent other event which caused 100,000+ people to die in just ONE day.




posted on Jun, 9 2005 @ 04:09 PM
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Well then, bottom line is we have 6 more months to see if there is a start of a civil war here in America. If there is one, then i guess Titor may very well be real. As of right now though, there is not proof that he was a Time Traveler. Also i feel that he still could have said the name of the event that kills 100,000 as it waould not have changed a thing. Giving the name would not have stopped that tsnami from happening...



posted on Jun, 9 2005 @ 04:42 PM
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Are we on the verge of a mad cow outbreak?

"Since this is the time of year when so many of us head to barbecues, I want to alert you to a story you need to know. Our federal government is putting all of us at risk of mad cow disease. And the incompetence and erratic approach of the Department of Agriculture has become so bizarre that one begins to wonder if some officials at that agency are deliberately trying to get fired.

First, a refresher: Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy or BSE is an infectious disease in cattle that causes their brains to degenerate. Animals with the disease will often stagger and become hopelessly agitated before they die, thus the name “mad cow.” The disease is usually fatal to people who eat infected beef. And since the proteins that cause the disease can survive temperatures hot enough to melt lead... turning a hamburger into a hockey puck (while killing off other potential problems) will not make BSE meat safe to eat.

At the moment, there appears to be an outbreak of mad cow disease in Japan... and American researchers are incredibly nervous that we may be on the verge of a deadly mad cow outbreak here in the United States. That’s what makes the U.S. Department of Agriculture’s approach so troubling."

www.msnbc.msn.com...



posted on Jun, 9 2005 @ 06:15 PM
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JT: "It is a mistake to give anyone your unwavering belief...but you
will find that out yourself in 2005."


Bush pushes Congress to renew anti-terrorism law
Thu Jun 9, 2005 04:25 PM ET

By Steve Holland

COLUMBUS, Ohio (Reuters) - President Bush urged the U.S. Congress on
Thursday to renew major provisions of the USA Patriot Act and
rejected critics who have complained the post-Sept. 11 anti-terrorism
law erodes civil liberties.

Sixteen sections of the Patriot Act are scheduled to expire at the
end of the year, and the Bush administration fears their expiration
will weaken law-enforcement tools needed to search for potential
terrorists on American soil.

"My message to Congress is clear: The terrorist threats against us
will not expire at the end of the year, and neither should the
protections of the Patriot Act," Bush said during a visit to the Ohio
State Highway Patrol Academy.

The Patriot Act was approved by overwhelming margins in both the
House of Representatives and the Senate in the tense weeks after the
Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, but civil liberties groups and some members
of Congress say the law has gone too far, putting American freedoms
in danger
.

Bush dismissed that view, and quoted a frequent administration
critic, California Democratic Sen. Dianne Feinstein, as saying she
had found no reported abuses.

"Remember that the next time you hear someone make an unfair
criticism of this important good law. The Patriot Act has not
diminished American liberties. The Patriot Act has helped defend
American liberties," Bush said.

Sen. Russell Feingold, Democrat of Wisconsin, accused Bush of
presenting a "false choice" by focusing his speech on parts of the
Patriot Act that are not controversial and glossing over areas where
lawmakers say it could be improved.

"He once again ignored bipartisan concerns about the Patriot Act, and
presented a false choice to the American people
-- that we have to
reauthorize the Patriot Act without any changes or leave our country
vulnerable to terrorist attacks," he said.

An ABC-Washington Post poll showed 59 percent of Americans favor
extending the Patriot Act but some were growing more concerned about
government intrusion on civil liberties
.

Half of those polled said the government was doing enough to protect
the rights of Americans during the war on terror, down from six in 10
or more during 2002 and 2003.

The American Civil Liberties Union said on its Web site that the
Patriot Act needs to be changed "if Americans are to preserve our
basic freedoms and protect ourselves from broad government searches
of our personal records and information
."

Among the provisions opposed by civil-liberties advocates is one
allowing authorities to seize library and bookstore records, which
the Bush administration has defended.

Bush paid particular attention to sections of the law that permit law-
enforcement and intelligence officials to work together; that permit
roving wiretaps to keep up with suspects who change mobile phones to
elude surveillance; and that allow Internet providers to give
information to law enforcement without fear of being sued.

Bush said breaking down the barrier between law enforcement and the
intelligence community enabled a joint effort that led to the FBI's
arrest two years ago of a Pakistani-born Ohio truck driver, Iyman
Faris, in what was described as an al Qaeda plot to blow up New
York's Brooklyn Bridge.

Faris was sentenced to 20 years in prison for providing al Qaeda with
material support, resources and information about possible targets
for attack.

Lisa Graves, the ACLU's senior counsel for legislative strategy,
disputed Bush's contention that there had been no abuses under the
law. "The most offensive portion of the President's remarks was his
claim that the Patriot Act is constitutional
," she said.

A move is under way on Capitol Hill to approve the provisions in the
Patriot Act that are set to expire.

Just this week the U.S. Senate intelligence committee sided with the
White House, by proposing broad new subpoena powers for the FBI to
use in counterterrorism and counterintelligence investigations.

After hours of secret deliberations, the oversight panel voted 11-4
to send to the full Senate a proposal that would give the FBI the
power to subpoena without judicial approval a wide range of personal
documents ranging from health and library records to tax statements.

The legislation approved by the Senate Select Committee on
Intelligence also would make permanent intelligence-related sections
of the Patriot Act
.

(Additional reporting by Patricia Wilson)

© Reuters 2005. All Rights Reserved.


[edit on 9-6-2005 by Roth Joint]



posted on Jun, 9 2005 @ 06:37 PM
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Q: You stated elsewhere that Australia repulses a Chinese invasion. Does this mean Australian government side with your enemy?

JT: "There were deep divisions in Australia also. I would associate it more with a powder keg than a civil war."

"18. Yes, I think the New World Order idea tried to establish itself. I would consider them the combination of the old U.S. federal system, Europe, Canada and Australia."


www.abc.net.au...

Police able to conduct secret searches under new terror Bill

Last Update: Friday, June 10, 2005. 7:18am (AEST)

A new Bill has been introduced into the New South Wales Parliament
that will give police the power to conduct secret searches of homes
of terror suspects, without telling them about it for a period of up
to two years.

Attorney-General Bob Debus says only officers from the counter
terrorism unit, or the NSW Crime Commission will be able to apply for
a warrant from a court.

The warrant will permit them to enter people's homes and gather
intelligence in cases where it is believed a terrorist act has been
committed, or is being planned.

He describes the powers as "extraordinary", but says safeguards have
been built into the Bill to restrict their use.

Mr Debus says the ombudsman will also monitor use of the warrants.

"The Government...sees this legislation not only as an an
investigative tool but also as a preventative tool," he said.

"Where preliminary or support activity is suspected, there's a strong
need to act to gather further information to prevent any further acts
of terrorism that may cost innocent lives."

The Government first flagged the Bill back in October last year,
saying police needed stronger powers to deal with terrorist threats.

Mr Debus says the intelligence gathered by officers about potential
terrorist activities may be shared with foreign law enforcement
agencies.

"These powers are extraordinary and they have only been permitted
with the strictest of safeguards," he said.

Police will have to report to the Minister on how the powers have
been used.



posted on Jun, 9 2005 @ 07:55 PM
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.JT: "However, there are a great many "non lethal" weapon systems in development that turn out to be quite lethal."

biz.yahoo.com...

Taser Guns: The 'Less Than Lethal' Deadly Weapon
Tuesday May 17, 4:45 pm ET

FORT MYERS, Fla., May 17 /PRNewswire/ -- The following statement was issued today by Attorney Paul Christian Sullivan of Viles & Beckman, P.A.:

Tasers are at the center of a national debate that truly hits home for Florida residents. In just the last 18 months, 24 Central Florida students, some as young as 6 and 12 years old, were zapped by a taser -- sometimes two or three times in quick succession. One child was handicapped.

One was subdued with handcuffs in the back seat of a patrol car and then tasered. Some have died. Christopher Hernandez, of Fort Myers, FL, was subdued permanently by deputies using a taser gun. Mr. Hernandez was only 19 years of age when he died last December. Kevin M. Downing, of Cape Coral, FL, and Timothy Bolander, of Delray Beach, FL, also died last December after being tasered by police.

The most recent taser incident that has stunned the nation took place in Seattle earlier this month. Malaika Brooks, who was eight months pregnant at the time of the assault, was tasered by Seattle Police after she refused to sign for a parking ticket. According to her testimony, Seattle Police officers activated a taser on her thigh and then again on her neck.

Since 1997, Taser International, the largest manufacturer of taser products in the United States, has sold 130,000 units to 7,000 police departments in the United States and abroad. This has resulted in the deaths of 103 people in North America after being exposed to the weapon's 50,000 volts.

Read more at: biz.yahoo.com...



posted on Jun, 10 2005 @ 02:58 PM
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hey RJ, if you'd like to discuss the broader topic of if titor is legit or a hoax, may I boldly suggest you search the threads in ATS and add on to an existing thread. It derails this civil war thread.

peace



posted on Jun, 11 2005 @ 03:39 AM
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Originally posted by syrinx high priest
hey RJ, if you'd like to discuss the broader topic of if titor is legit or a hoax, may I boldly suggest you search the threads in ATS and add on to an existing thread. It derails this civil war thread.

peace

Peace to you too man


John Titor mentioned 2005 as a special marker wherefrom events will be initialized such as the Civil War in the US and the destabilization of the West.

The first clearly observed by the increasing Taser use upon defenseless civilians by the federal forces. The latter clearly observed by the French and Dutch NO votes against the EU Constitutional Treaty.

Furthermore John Titor mentioned Mad Cow disease (CJD) becoming epidemic. Can we say that we are observing clear signs of this developing in this year 2005 as well?

June 11, 2005 latimes.com

THE NATION
2nd Mad Cow Possible; U.S. Sees 'No Risk'
By T. Christian Miller, Times Staff Writer

WASHINGTON — A second case of mad cow disease may have been found in the U.S., but the animal never entered the food supply, Agriculture Department officials said late Friday.

The animal tested negative on an initial test but positive on a follow-up test, Agriculture Secretary Mike Johanns said.

Johanns said the department had ordered a third test at an internationally recognized lab in Weybridge, England, to make a final determination on whether the animal had the disease, formally known as bovine spongiform encephalopathy.

Read more at:
www.latimes.com...


Red

posted on Jun, 11 2005 @ 06:54 AM
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I am not saying this is true, but could it be possible that John Titor was from another timeline? I mean if alternate timelines did exist then some of it would make sense. It's just a thought.



posted on Jun, 11 2005 @ 09:41 AM
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Originally posted by Red
I am not saying this is true, but could it be possible that John Titor was from another timeline? I mean if alternate timelines did exist then some of it would make sense. It's just a thought.


Have you even read any of John Titors postings? Multiple-Timelines is the hallmark of John Titor.



posted on Jun, 11 2005 @ 12:01 PM
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Can you see it coming too? "It's Taser time."

www.cleveland.com.../base/lorain/111848257318490.xml&coll=2
Police use stun gun on 12-year-old
Lorain officer called to calm melee on school bus

Saturday, June 11, 2005
Carl Matzelle
Plain Dealer Reporter

Lorain- An empty CD case - that was all it took to spark a school bus fight Thursday that ended when police used a stun gun on a 12-year-old boy, police said.

The Masson Elementary School student had tried to take the case from another student and became enraged when the other boy refused, according to a report.

A police officer had to board the bus and used a Taser on the boy after the boy head-butted her when she tried to restrain him, police said.
A crowd of 20 or 30 people surrounded the bus, pounding on windows and demanding that police leave the boy alone, the report said.

The 12-year-old faces juvenile charges of robbery, assault on a police officer and disruption of public service, police said. He also could be expelled from school, Lorain schools spokesman Dean Schnurr said.


www.wthr.com...
Woman claims excessive force in Taser use
Roger Harvey/Eyewitness News

Hamilton County, May 31 - Police car video of a traffic stop late one night in November of 2003 shows two officers questioning a suspected drunk driver at a gas station at 116th Street and Brooks School Road.
Minutes later, Hamilton County Sheriff Deputy Greg Lockhart made a declaration as the woman reached into her car for her cell phone.

"It's Taser time."

"It felt like he was trying to pull my arm out of the socket. It was an incredible pain, an incredible pain."

Jennifer Marshall, five-foot five and 105 pounds, says she couldn't believe an officer who outweighs her by nearly three times, along with a second deputy, used a Taser.

"It was almost like it was a malicious, vindictive movement like, drop to the ground but I am just going to keep pushing this button and I know you can't fall. It was just very horrible."


www.ohio.com...
Protesters denounce Taser use, violence
Akron crowd rallies at police department after weekend fatality

Posted on Wed, Jun. 01, 2005
By Marilyn Miller Beacon
Journal staff writer

About 25 protesters picketed in front of the Akron Police Department on Tuesday morning, criticizing the use of Taser guns and calling for an end to what they say is police brutality.Richard T. Holcomb, 18, of Akron died after being stunned with a Taser gun by a Springfield Township police officer Saturday morning.

An autopsy is planned. Holcomb's death was the second Summit County fatality this year involving a police Taser. The Jan. 5 death of Dennis Hyde, a 30-year-old Akron burglar, was ruled a homicide, and the stun gun was deemed a contributing factor.Nationally, 12 deaths have been linked to Tasers.``We don't want to tie the police department's hands not to use weapons. We're just saying the Taser may not necessarily be the safest way to try to control anybody,'' said Deborah Calhoun, spokeswoman for the protesters. ``The issue is that everyone should be treated with the same level of humanity.

Whether they are incarcerated, sane or crazy, they should still have human rights.''She referred to Akron police officers' use of a Taser in April on Anthony Hudson, 43, of Akron, a frequent personality on Warner Cable's public access channel and a former Akron City Council candidate.


www.myrtlebeachonline.com...
Taser use in schools questioned
At least 4 students have been stunned

Posted on Wed, Jun. 01, 2005
The Associated Press

CHARLOTTE, N.C. - At least four students at Charlotte-Mecklenburg schools have been stunned by police weapons that zap targets with 50,000 volts of electricity.Despite several cases around the country that have raised questions about using the Taser on minors - including a 6-year-old boy shocked by South Florida police in October - Charlotte-area police departments don't keep an official count of how many times the weapons are used in schools.

Police said they were justified in using the Tasers each time.One case came in the second week of the school year last fall.A fight erupted between two students at Garinger High School in Charlotte, and neither the principal nor campus security could stop it.As hundreds of students crowded around, the Charlotte-Mecklenburg police officer assigned to the school pulled out a Taser and fired off enough electricity that the 16-year-old's muscles froze in place.

Tasers have prompted groups including Amnesty International and the International Association of Chiefs of Police to call for additional study of their use. Amnesty International called for a temporary moratorium, citing 103 deaths after their use in the United States and Canada. Activists specifically question their use on elderly, disabled and young people.


www.2theadvocate.com...
Man sues police for Taser use
Federal-court plaintiff claims he was stunned 17 times, scarred

By RICHARD BURGESS
rburgess@theadvocate.com
Acadiana bureau

LAFAYETTE -- A man who claims Lafayette police stunned him at least 17 times with a stun gun filed a federal lawsuit this week seeking damages for what he says was excessive force during a drug arrest.
It is the second lawsuit filed against Lafayette police in connection with the use of stun guns that immobilize a person with a high-voltage electrical shock.
The first lawsuit involved a man who died last year after being struck with a Taser stun gun.

Kevin Alexander, 28, of Houston claims in the recent lawsuit that he was severely injured and permanently scarred after police repeatedly shocked him in August.

Alexander has said that he was in a hotel room waiting to meet a friend when police officers burst through the door and began shocking him with a stun gun.

Alexander said one officer climbed on top of him and placed it directly to his skin.

pittsburghlive.com...
Taser use spikes amid safety concerns

By Richard Byrne Reilly
TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Tuesday, May 31, 2005

Despite the growing controversy over the safety of Tasers, Pittsburgh police are quickly embracing the stun guns to subdue unruly people.
City police used Tasers on 42 people in the first three months of this year, compared to just six in all of 2004, when police made 686 use-of-force arrests. The most popular method of restraint -- wrestling or tackling suspects -- was used in 352 of those cases. Police used pepper spray in 102 instances.

The increasing reliance on Tasers by Pittsburgh police comes at a time when many other law enforcement agencies and local governments throughout the country are rethinking their policies.

In February, the Lucas County sheriff's office in Toledo, Ohio, stopped using Tasers when a man died after being shocked nine times. About the same time, the Chicago police department said it will not distribute any more Tasers to its officers while it investigates the device's use on a man who died and a teen who was injured. Last month, the police department in Lexington, Ky., announced that it won't buy more Tasers while awaiting the outcome of medical studies about the risks of the weapons.

Human rights groups say the growing popularity of Tasers is cause for alarm. Tasers are used by more than 7,000 police agencies, and blamed by Amnesty International in the deaths of more than 100 people in the U.S. and Canada since 1999. In a report released in March, Amnesty International said there were 13 Taser-related deaths in the U.S. and Canada in the first three months of this year, compared with six during the same period last year.

"There is not enough medical research that shows Tasers are safe," said Amnesty International spokesman Ed Jackson. "There needs to be more alternatives to lethal force. That Tasers are safe is fictitious."

The stun gun's manufacturer maintains that the devices are among the safest tools to subdue a violent person.

www.wsoctv.com...
Police Report Shows Taser Use Up Almost 3,000 Percent

POSTED: 6:06 pm EDT May 12, 2005
UPDATED: 11:47 pm EDT May 12, 2005

CHARLOTTE, N.C. -- A new report shows that in the four years they've been using Taser guns, Charlotte-Mecklenburg police have shocked more than 160 people.


www.joplinglobe.com...
Taser reports made secret
City terms reports personnel records

Jeff Wells
Globe Staff Writer

In the wake of Globe requests for reports on the use of force by police officers, the city of Joplin on Friday did an about-face, declaring reports on officer use of Taser guns also off-limits to public scrutiny.

A state press association lawyer termed the city's justification for the move questionable, and an official with a civil-rights organization said more secrecy adds to the risk of eroding public trust.

The Globe earlier this month requested the Police Department's use-of-force reports for Jan. 1, 2003, to Apr. 30, 2005.

Officers file the reports after they hit a person or use a weapon - including Tasers, which are weapons that deliver an electrical shock to their targets.

The city denied the newspaper's request for the overall use-of-force reports on Wednesday, saying that the reports are confidential personnel records.

The reports had not been considered confidential as recently as about seven months ago. The Police Department had in October 2004 given the Globe its records about the use of Tasers in the wake of a house explosion that could have been triggered by use of a Taser.

The Globe's review of those reports showed that one officer, Charles Ward, accounted for 28 percent of the department's Taser deployments since the force adopted the weapon. From May 1, 2003, to Sept. 30, 2004, Joplin officers fired Tasers at suspects 88 times. Ward used the weapon 25 of the 88 times, more than any other officer.

In recent weeks, the Globe learned and reported that Ward and Officer Ron Buchanan were disciplined after questioning, handcuffing, and arresting an 11-year-old boy at his elementary school in November 2004.

City officials have refused to divulge any specifics regarding the discipline in connection with that incident, and it was in connection with that investigation that the Globe asked for the use-of-force reports, not just Taser reports, on all officers. The city refused that request, contending that the reports are personnel records.


www.tennessean.com...
Resolution seeks end of Taser use

By LEE ANN O'NEAL
Staff Writer

Councilman wants more research into safety

A councilman will submit a resolution at tonight's Metro Council meeting calling on police here to end the use of Taser stun guns until further research into their safety is finished.

Tasers have been used by Metro police in 68 incidents since they were put into use in November. About 7,000 of the nation's 16,000 police agencies have purchased the devices, USA Today recently reported.

A resolution — as opposed to a bill — is nonbinding. If the Taser resolution passes, it could raise public awareness but would not force the police department to cease using the weapons. While unanimous council support would be a strong public statement to the department, the resolution does not appear to have that kind of overwhelming support at this point.
Police Chief Ronal Serpas has refused to say what action, if any, the department would take if the resolution passes.


www.palmbeachpost.com...
Taser use too common

Palm Beach Post Editorial
Saturday, June 04, 2005

Taser International, manufacturer of the Thomas A. Swift Electric Rifle, has covered itself nicely, requiring even police officers in training to sign liability waivers before testing the stun gun's 50,000-volt electric shock. But with Taser-use standards all over the map, law-enforcement agencies face even more liability over their increasing use of the weapons. Palm Beach County police chiefs are correct to expedite unified guidelines for the circumstances in which the dart-firing guns would be used. The standards should apply statewide, however, so the Florida Department of Law Enforcement may need a push from the Legislature.


www.mercurynews.com...
Taser-use report called `innocuous'

Posted on Fri, May. 13, 2005

GRAND JURY URGES `PROFESSIONAL FORUM'
By Crystal Carreon
Mercury News

A Santa Clara County civil grand jury reviewed one of the most controversial issues in public safety and produced what the foreman acknowledged was an innocuous examination on police use of Tasers.

In a report issued Thursday, the 19-member watchdog panel called for the creation of a ``professional forum'' to evaluate how local police agencies are using Tasers and establish guidelines on police training use and tracking of stun gun incidents.

But Police Chief Rob Davis said his department is already talking to other police agencies about Taser guidelines, and a critic of Taser use said the grand jury failed in its duty to critically evaluate the 50,000-volt weapon.

``I am very disappointed with that result,'' said Richard Konda of the Coalition for Justice and Accountability, who called for police to stop using Tasers this week.

``There is ample information the grand jury should have looked at that would have led them to conclude that Tasers are lethal weapons that need to be banned.''

Michael A. Smith, the civil grand jury foreman, said he recognized the controversy surrounding Tasers but said the panel decided to focus on training and guidelines, because ``we are not necessarily the right people'' to tackle the ongoing medical, ethical and legal issues enveloping the weapons. He declined to elaborate, citing the civil grand jury's confidentiality protections.

``This is about as innocuous of a grand jury report as you are ever going to see,'' said Smith, a retired engineering manager.The civil grand jury report cited the ACLU and Amnesty International as Taser critics and summarized the organizations' calls for independent testing, but the report did not advance or support any such calls.

It also included a Dade County, Fla., grand jury finding this year in support of Tasers as a life-saving tool.Many police departments have purchased the new Taser X26 model. The Taser fires wired barbs at a speed of 180 feet per second that can temporarily disable a person by scrambling the impulses sent by the brain to the rest of the body. The 50,000-volt jolts can incapacitate someone in a quarter of a second.



posted on Jun, 11 2005 @ 01:21 PM
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Originally posted by Roth Joint
John Titor mentioned 2005 as a special marker wherefrom events will be initialized such as the Civil War in the US and the destabilization of the West.

The first clearly observed by the increasing Taser use upon defenseless civilians by the federal forces. The latter clearly observed by the French and Dutch NO votes against the EU Constitutional Treaty.

Furthermore John Titor mentioned Mad Cow disease (CJD) becoming epidemic. Can we say that we are observing clear signs of this developing in this year 2005 as well?

Wow, you really truely are delusional. It's one thing if you're going this just to be doing this, but you're actually serious aren't you? Wow.
They have doctors who can help you out, you do know that right? Because that is not healthy at all.

1. They're using tasers so they won't have to shoot people! I can guarentee you that tasering people will NOT lead to a civil war. Now if police were just going around shooting people randomly, then we'd have a problem. Also, defensless??? Are you serious. Point to one incident where the police just randomly tasered a non trouble maker. The fact that the police where at these incidents means someone called the police, or the police caught these people doing something wrong. What should the police do to trouble makers anyway? You would rather see the police shoot these people?? What's wrong with you!?

2. The French and Dutch voting no means absolutely nothing to the stabilization of the west. Them voting no won't even break up the EU, let along cause the collapse of the west. Get real man.

3. 1 confirmed case, 2 possible cases total of mad cow. In 200+ years of this country's exsistence. That is NOT a sign of an epidemic.

You truely have a few screws loose man....I kinda feel sorry for you.
Why would any one in their right mind want all that stuff to happen as you clearly do (otherwise you wouldn't be ignoring the obvious)?



posted on Jun, 11 2005 @ 04:50 PM
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Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
1. They're using tasers so they won't have to shoot people!
2. Now if police were just going around shooting people randomly, then we'd have a problem.
3. What should the police do to trouble makers anyway?
4. You would rather see the police shoot these people??
5. What's wrong with you!?


1. Where's the good old water cannons? There are other options than the two mentioned so far.
2. It would not be any less of a problem if they *randomly* 'tased' people.
3. The same they did 40 or 80 years ago. Get backup and use their own hands. Guns? Tasers? Unneccesary brutal! They want a quick and easy way to control people, forgetting that 'quick and easy' seldom work.
4. Suprisingly many survives shooting. It's not a guarantee death. It's probably better to be shot in the leg than tased.
5. Much of your writings were rude and uncalled for. You should consider to edit it...



posted on Jun, 11 2005 @ 06:47 PM
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JT: "The people who understand what they are seeing are not aggressive."

Peak Oil in 2005.

www.evworld.com...
Now we are faced with the global oil-production peak. The best
estimates of when this will actually happen have been somewhere
between now and 2010. In 2004, however, after demand from burgeoning
China and India shot up, and revelations that Shell Oil wildly
misstated its reserves, and Saudi Arabia proved incapable of goosing
up its production despite promises to do so, the most knowledgeable
experts revised their predictions and now concur that 2005 is apt to
be the year of all-time global peak production.

It will change everything about how we live.


To aggravate matters, American natural-gas production is also
declining, at five percent a year, despite frenetic new drilling, and
with the potential of much steeper declines ahead. Because of the oil
crises of the 1970s, the nuclear-plant disasters at Three Mile Island
and Chernobyl and the acid-rain problem, the U.S. chose to make gas
its first choice for electric-power generation. The result was that
just about every power plant built after 1980 has to run on gas. Half
the homes in America are heated with gas. To further complicate
matters, gas isn't easy to import. Here in North America, it is
distributed through a vast pipeline network. Gas imported from
overseas would have to be compressed at minus-260 degrees Fahrenheit
in pressurized tanker ships and unloaded (re-gasified) at special
terminals, of which few exist in America. Moreover, the first
attempts to site new terminals have met furious opposition because
they are such ripe targets for terrorism.

Some other things about the global energy predicament are poorly
understood by the public and even our leaders. This is going to be a
permanent energy crisis, and these energy problems will synergize
with the disruptions of climate change, epidemic disease and
population overshoot to produce higher orders of trouble.

We will have to accommodate ourselves to fundamentally changed
conditions.


Read more at:
www.evworld.com...



posted on Jun, 11 2005 @ 07:17 PM
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Originally posted by Ghaele
1. Where's the good old water cannons? There are other options than the two mentioned so far.
2. It would not be any less of a problem if they *randomly* 'tased' people.
3. The same they did 40 or 80 years ago. Get backup and use their own hands. Guns? Tasers? Unneccesary brutal! They want a quick and easy way to control people, forgetting that 'quick and easy' seldom work.
4. Suprisingly many survives shooting. It's not a guarantee death. It's probably better to be shot in the leg than tased.
5. Much of your writings were rude and uncalled for. You should consider to edit it...

1. Do you honestly think people won't complain about police brutality if any of those other options were used.
2.
What are you talking about? Yes that would be more of a problem. How do you figure it wouldn't be? Tasering innocent people vs. people resisting arrest or conducting some other criminal activity....which is better?
3. This would be easier to answer if you knew anyone in law enforcement. And you knew what police officers had to deal with everyday. As it stands now you obviously have no clue, so it's hard to show you how "using hands" is pretty much unthinkable now a days.
4. 99.9% more people survive tasering than they do shootings.
5.
I don't recall ever addressing you...
If you're talking about my posts to Roth well....you don't know Roth.



posted on Jun, 11 2005 @ 11:56 PM
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Originally posted by Simulacra
Out of the many predictions stated by John Titor, he claimed that the USA will be thrown into a Civil War beginning in 2005.



Did he say anything about Howard Dean?



posted on Jun, 12 2005 @ 04:25 AM
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Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird

Originally posted by Ghaele
1. Where's the good old water cannons? There are other options than the two mentioned so far.
2. It would not be any less of a problem if they *randomly* 'tased' people.
3. The same they did 40 or 80 years ago. Get backup and use their own hands. Guns? Tasers? Unneccesary brutal! They want a quick and easy way to control people, forgetting that 'quick and easy' seldom work.
4. Suprisingly many survives shooting. It's not a guarantee death. It's probably better to be shot in the leg than tased.
5. Much of your writings were rude and uncalled for. You should consider to edit it...

1. Do you honestly think people won't complain about police brutality if any of those other options were used.
2.
What are you talking about? Yes that would be more of a problem. How do you figure it wouldn't be? Tasering innocent people vs. people resisting arrest or conducting some other criminal activity....which is better?
3. This would be easier to answer if you knew anyone in law enforcement. And you knew what police officers had to deal with everyday. As it stands now you obviously have no clue, so it's hard to show you how "using hands" is pretty much unthinkable now a days.
4. 99.9% more people survive tasering than they do shootings.
5.
I don't recall ever addressing you...
If you're talking about my posts to Roth well....you don't know Roth.


Well ThatsJustWeird, I cannot understand why you keep on denying the facts as they are screaming in front of you? Perhaps this is why John Titor said: "I believe your society is biologically geared for self-destruction."

At least you are not denying anymore the fact of increasing use of "non-lethal" weapons over the past few months. I am happy to see you are making progress on your insights, albeit it with little baby steps.



posted on Jun, 12 2005 @ 04:46 AM
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JT: "There is a civil war in the United States that starts in 2005.

"They were betting that people wanted security instead of freedom and they were wrong."

"It is a mistake to give anyone your unwavering belief...but you will find that out yourself in 2005."


Get ready for Patriot Act 2005: (whether you want it or not)

www.bradblog.com...
SENSENBRENNER MELTDOWN! UNILATERALLY GAVELS PATRIOT ACT HEARINGS TO A CLOSE!

Republican Chairman Stuns Room by Shutting Down Hearings!
Turns Off Hearing Room Microphones in Middle of Testimony!


As originally reported here yesterday , Democrats on the U.S. House Judiciary Committee invoked a rarely used rule to extend Committee hearings on the renewal of the Patriot Act. Apparently...

As originally reported here yesterday, Democrats on the U.S. House Judiciary Committee invoked a rarely used rule to extend Committee hearings on the renewal of the Patriot Act.

Apparently, they inappropriately called witnesses to testify today from whom the Republicans did not wish to hear. And thus, in what can only be seen as an unprecedented tyrannical abuse of Majority power in the U.S. House of Representatives, Chairman James Sensenbrenner (R-WI), suddenly and without warning, gavelled the hearings to a close! Unilaterally, without debate, and in the middle of ongoing testimony!

The extraordinary video clip of Sensenbrenners appalling display, was captured by C-SPAN and made available via DemBloggers.com.

BuzzFlash describes the remarkable incident in some detail as follows...

GOP House Judiciary Chair Uses Pinochet Tactics to Abruptly and Unilaterally Shut Down Hearing Into Abuses of the (Un)Patriot Act, Because He Was Afraid the Truth Would Come Out. America: "IT" is Happening Here. Democracy is Being Dismantled by GOP Thugs.

A BUZZFLASH EDITORIAL
June 10, 2005
BuzzFlash News Analysis

This morning, House Judiciary Chairman James Sensenbrenner, Jr. (R-WI) unilaterally and arbitrarily shut down committee hearings on the reauthorization of the Patriot Act without comment or issuing a statement. Sensenbrenner gaveled the committee hearings in the middle of witnesses testifying about human and civil rights abuses at Guantanamo Bay, racial profiling of individuals of Middle Eastern descent, prolonged detentions of Americans after September 11th and other abuses.

The suppression of free speech and testimony in the congressional committee in charge of protecting our civil liberties shows the Republican’s power grab has no limits and no decency. The irony was not lost on anyone.
Read more at: www.bradblog.com...


Taken from: /cj27s
Friday, June 10, 2005

Nation doesn't need even more oppressive Patriot Act

There's little doubt that after Sept. 11, 2001, measures were
necessary to empower law enforcement to do a better job of
counteracting terrorism.

However, as is natural in a time of crisis, and in the understandable
haste, on some counts Congress overreached.

Several measures of the Patriot Act run directly counter to American
principles. They are the stuff of a police state.

For good reason, there is considerable momentum in Congress to rein
in the USA Patriot Act.

An unusual coalition of politicians from the right and the left has
come together to assert that the act be tempered with checks on
unfettered police power.

Meanwhile, with the act expiring at the end of the year, the Bush
administration is seeking an extension and a strengthening of the
Patriot Act.

Accordingly, in secret meetings, the Senate Intelligence Committee
has been discussing such measures as allowing the FBI to wiretap
people it suspects to be national security threats but fishing for
offenses wholly unrelated to terrorism or espionage with the
intention of getting a certain person "off the streets." That could
be used on any of us.

The bill would empower the FBI to write its own subpoenas without
permission from a judge in seeking personal information of all sorts,
records from hotels, banks and including Internet service providers.
That should be a judge's function, with the FBI demonstrating due
cause.

Additionally, this legislation would allow the FBI to order post
offices to let it photocopy the envelopes of anything sent to
individuals it targets.

This is just the opposite direction Congress should be heading. It
should be putting the brakes on the accelerating assault on civil
liberties inherent in the Patriot Act.


Congress needs to rein in the act's provisions that allow "sneak,
peak" searches for people who aren't suspected of terrorism or
espionage. The over-arching invasion of privacy and lack of due
process in routine matters far outside of the "war on terrorism" is
the real problem with the Patriot Act.

In the 1960s people's homes were searched and they were subject to
surveillance because of their beliefs and not because of any crime
they'd committed or of which they'd even been suspected.

The Patriot Act portends similar over-reactions in the name of
the "war on terrorism." When a judge is convinced that invasive
action fits within that war, he or she will consent.

Need a warrant? Tell it to a judge.


Taken from: /cj27s



posted on Jun, 12 2005 @ 09:09 AM
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Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
Did he say anything about Howard Dean?


Not to my knowledge. Titor focused less on giving names and more on giving events.



posted on Jun, 12 2005 @ 12:30 PM
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Might there be a relation between the Government's hidden knowledge of global oil-production peak in 2005 and the incredible hurry from within the Government to implement the renewed Patriot Act in 2005? After all, why such a hurry? Why so much pressure?

www.evworld.com...
Now we are faced with the global oil-production peak………the most knowledgeable experts revised their predictions and now concur that 2005 is apt to be the year of all-time global peak production. It will change everything about how we live.

We know that our national leaders are hardly uninformed about this predicament. President George W. Bush has been briefed on the dangers of the oil-peak situation as long ago as before the 2000 election and repeatedly since then. In March, the Department of Energy released a report that officially acknowledges for the first time that peak oil is for real and states plainly that "the world has never faced a problem like this. Without massive mitigation more than a decade before the fact, the problem will be pervasive and will not be temporary."




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