The American Civil War of 2005 as predicted by John Titor

Cool videos Roth! much appreciated!

So whats going on with the movie??? They should make his story into a TV Show, like Jericho but only better. My only hope would be that CBS doens't get its hands on it.

Originally posted by Glyph_D
i would very much like to here your spin on everything titor has spoken. if only for the entertainment

That's really all this is. Entertainment. Titor was likely written for entertainment, just like Aussie Bloke, South Beach psychic, etc.


Anyway. Roth, was that some sort of preemptive strike?
1. Why would you believe anything Pamela or Darby has to say? You think they're sincere? lol
Well, maybe Darby. But Pamela.....well, perhaps we'll get into that a little later

Nice that you posted that interview. We'll get to Larry and Titor's "mom" later (they got sloppy there - yes "they").
****************

Alright now for Titor's posts....
This is mainly for show for now. I'll comment on a few stuff. But not alot now....


First the Chat.
Oct. 2000

TimeTravel_0 has joined the conversation.
Yareisa : even now I still change my opinions, there is no definitive
G° : well, I'm not completely on the same wavelength as you and apollo,but I like it here.
Yareisa : hi time
G° : I will be back
G° : hi time T
Yareisa : good, we like you
TimeTravel_0 : greetings
G° : thanks
Yareisa : yw
Yareisa : you've been initiated G!
G° : sorry I can't stop to chat Time, but it's way past my bed time
G° : I have?
TimeTravel_0 : no problem
Yareisa : oh yes...I'll make sure you have plenty of experience!
Yareisa : lol
G° : thanks... I think. LOL ~)
Yareisa : well I have been awake for 24 hours!
G° : oh what the heck. maybe I will stop and introduce myself to time....
Yareisa : good! new I could persuade you!
Yareisa : knew
G° : LOL
TimeTravel_0 : please...and then myself.
G° : Hi TT, my name is steve, but call me G
G° : I'm 30, male from England
G° : and you?
TimeTravel_0 : My name is John. Im 38 and a time traveler from Florida.
G° : Oh, and my PC could crash at any time, so I'll say goodnight now in case it goes again
Yareisa : alright, goodnight G
G° : which time are you from?
TimeTravel_0 : Goodnight.
TimeTravel_0 : 2036
G° : g'night
G° : is it a good year?
TimeTravel_0 : For me...yes.
G° : it's not far to come?
TimeTravel_0 : Thats right.
Yareisa : do you want me to do my intro piece?
G° : so you have been born as well. That could be confusing. no problemwith there being two of you at the same time then?
G° : yes please Y
TimeTravel_0 : Not at all. In fact the "me" on this world line isupstairs alseep.
TimeTravel_0 : Hes 2
Yareisa : ty I'm Yareisa, you can call me yar, most do 39 Lincoln, UK
G° : upstairs? in your house?
G° : yar, ok.
Yareisa : or ok yar!
G° : lol. I was thinking that... lol
TimeTravel_0 : Not my house. Im just visiting.
G° : tonight? or longer term than that?
TimeTravel_0 : I've been here for about 3 months.
(3 months eh? This was in October. So he's been there since July. This could be important later on

)
G° : any reason? if you don't mind me asking... I'm interested is all...
TimeTravel_0 : I'll answer any question you have. I don;t expect you to believe me anyway.
TimeTravel_0 : Theres a picture of my time machine on my profile.
G° : LOL good. I'd really think you were mad if you did...
TimeTravel_0 : Your reaction is typical.
TimeTravel_0 : Im used to it.
G° : someone invented a time machine by 2036?
TimeTravel_0 : What would you do if you really met a time travlere anyway?
G° : what I'm doing now
Yareisa : what would you do if you met an alien?
TimeTravel_0 : Yes...in fact the major breakthrough happens at CERN inabout a year.
(Wrong!)
G° : cern? whats that?
TimeTravel_0 : The creation of microsigularities.
Yareisa : particle accelerator?
TimeTravel_0 : Yes!
TimeTravel_0 : You know of it?
Yareisa : yes a little
TimeTravel_0 : Most people here in the US have no idea what Im talking about.
Yareisa : they go round until they hit each other don't they
G° : lol
TimeTravel_0 : Yes. High speed proton acceleration.
G° : that about sums an incredibly complex bit of kit in onesentence... but yes
TimeTravel_0 : Ill be happy to go into detail but most people regret it.
(Good tactic here of trying to lead the discussion away from the topic. Why? Probably because his buddies aren't around to answer those types of questions for him)
Yareisa : go on, we'll scream when we can't handle anymore!
G° : whats the discovery? a new particle or something?
TimeTravel_0 : The information has been out for quite a while.
(As I've stated before. Nothing Titor is saying is new or couldn't readily be looked up in a quick internet search)
TimeTravel_0 : CERN is planning to start some very high energy experiments soon.
TimeTravel_0 : There has been some contoversy ...
TimeTravel_0 : over the damgers of it.
G° : is antimatter involved?
TimeTravel_0 : SOme are concerned it might be quite hazardous.
TimeTravel_0 : No...
Yareisa : wasn't there something about creating a black hole
TimeTravel_0 : Yes!!!
TimeTravel_0 : You've heard of it.
Yareisa : yes
TimeTravel_0 : Actually...
Yareisa : a little
G° : me too
TimeTravel_0 : its a black hole about the size of an electron.
(lol, we'll get to this later I guess. SHP has already posted info on this however so please feel free to look it up now if you want.)
TimeTravel_0 : Im impressed.
TimeTravel_0 : Where are you both from?
TimeTravel_0 : England?
G° : England
Yareisa : yes
G° : but different bits
Yareisa : certainly different bits!
G° : but next door according to US geography
TimeTravel_0 : Being from 2036...Im not as ignorant as my colonial countrymen.
(excuse me!? You're from this time period too buddy!)
G° : so are you staying with your parents then, whilst your here?TimeTravel_0 : Yes.
G° : oh come on, it's not going to change that much in 30 odd years.. LOL
TimeTravel_0 : Really.
G° : sorry, Brit joke
G° : how did they take it? or have you not told them? Your parents?TimeTravel_0 : I have to admit... your both quite polite.
TimeTravel_0 : Oh they know.
G° : hey, the sign on the door says show respect and keep an open mind doesn't it?
Yareisa : I'm polite because I understand what its like to be ridiculed
TimeTravel_0 : Im here because of a promise to my grandfather in 1975.
(Which means what? When he went back to 1975, he had to convince this man he was his grandson. Then he came to here and had to convince his parents he was their son. He must have had some INCREDIBLE evidence. Why didn't he show us this evidence!?)
Yareisa : true G
G° : I've lived 53 lives on earth before this one. think everyone beleives me when i say that?
TimeTravel_0 : I appreciate that but I also know Im more entertaining than anything else.
(Giving us a clue here, lol)
TimeTravel_0 : I don't discount anything.
G° : LOL
G° : the truly mad wouldn't realise they were ... excentric?
TimeTravel_0 : You are more right than you know.
(...and here)
G° : the faxct that you don't expect to be believed has to be a pluspoint..
G° : sorry go on. your grandfather?
TimeTravel_0 : I find it quite intersting.
TimeTravel_0 : Yes.
TimeTravel_0 : I started in 2036, went back to 1975 and then came forwardto 2000...now.
TimeTravel_0 : Did you see the picture of my machine?
Yareisa : it wasn't there when I looked
TimeTravel_0 : If you click on the picture...it takes you to another page. I have 3 pictures posted.
Yareisa : k just doing
G° : yeah. is it in a cool car?
TimeTravel_0 : A good car for 1975.
TimeTravel_0 : The distortion machine is in a 4 wheel drive now.
G° : how come from then? was it kept in good condition til 2036?
(I've asked this same thing. He doesn't answer him)
TimeTravel_0 : Sorry...time machine.
TimeTravel_0 : I was sent back to 1975 to get a computer.
TimeTravel_0 : Its an IBM model 5110.
(5110 you say? Funny because the 5110 wasn't even announced until 1978)
TimeTravel_0 : My grandfather worked on it.
G° : because...?
TimeTravel_0 : Thats why I was sent.
TimeTravel_0 : We need it in 2036 to recode UNIX which dies in 2038.
G° : who needed a 5110? and why?
G° : lost me there. don't enough about computers
TimeTravel_0 : the 5110 is able to read the old IBM mainframe code.
TimeTravel_0 : Its the first protable computer produced by IBM.
TimeTravel_0 : Actually its about the size of a small table.
TimeTravel_0 : We need on in 2036.
(one "5110" will fix all the computers in the world in 2036. Horray! Also, he never really explains what the computer would do. There are multiple ways of dealing with the Y2K38 problem, which are being implemented now. No one's using old computers to solve this problem as that would make absolutely no sense.)



more...

[edit on 19-6-2007 by ThatsJustWeird]

(I'll clean up everything when I get home....only IE works here at work...)


G° : so have you tried changing the past yet? or have you found that everything you do..
G° : has already been done?
TimeTravel_0 : Hmmm...physics.
TimeTravel_0 : Actually... world lines are not fixed.
TimeTravel_0 : They are all different.
TimeTravel_0 : There is no one "time".
(in fact, "time" is a human invention)
G° : but you have a past... you remember things, and if one changes...?TimeTravel_0 : Yes...
TimeTravel_0 : but they are different.
TimeTravel_0 : The fact that I am here changes this world line.
G° : so you havn't tried mucking with anything?
TimeTravel_0 : No...but I could.
TimeTravel_0 : Its just not that moral in my opinion.
TimeTravel_0 : Besides...Im not here for that.
G° : thing is, you might not have changed anything because you alreadywere here
TimeTravel_0 : Thats right!!!
TimeTravel_0 : Very good.
TimeTravel_0 : In fact..I've noticed samll changes.
G° : I mean you upstairs asleep wouldn't have known if you now was downstairs
G° : you have? thats what i was getting it
TimeTravel_0 : No...he knows me.
TimeTravel_0 : Yes...small changes.
G° : care to give an example?
TimeTravel_0 : Sure...
TimeTravel_0 : Football....(sorry) games that were lost that should have been won.
TimeTravel_0 : Incidental news stories that havent happened.
TimeTravel_0 : Books not written.
TimeTravel_0 : Small stuff like that.
(I don't know about you but I'm a huge -American- football fan and I don't even remember scores from last year! Yet he remembers scores from when he was 2? I don't think so. And what books are you reading at two beside See Spot Run?)
G° : wow. surely that can't be anything to do with you?
TimeTravel_0 : No.
TimeTravel_0 : By definition, this world line is not the same as mine.
(Exactly!)
G° : so how come do you think?
TimeTravel_0 : Physics.
TimeTravel_0 : Have you ever been in a room that has mirrors on all the walls?
G° : you with the infinate worlds with infinate possibilities theory then?
TimeTravel_0 : Yes!!!
(see glyph

)
TimeTravel_0 : Multipole world theory is correct.
G° : like sliders
TimeTravel_0 : Sliders?
G° : tv show
(I liked that show!)
G° : before your time... LOL
TimeTravel_0 : Hmmm...havent seent hat one.
G° : hmmm. I must admit, that theory has always bothered me
TimeTravel_0 : Have you heard of Schrodinger's cat?
(en.wikipedia.org...)
G° : I mean, why bother? why create all these slightly differentworlds? no offence to you, just never liked it.
Yareisa : yes
G° : yes, talking about it the other day
TimeTravel_0 : Well...there's a little joke in 2036.
G° : can't remember though
TimeTravel_0 : If the cat had a distortion machine (time) he may not be in the box at all.
G° : oh yeah, that was it... LOL
G° : ( i was wondering if you were still ther Yar)
Yareisa : yes, deep in though
Yareisa : thought
G° : sorry, I have to call you Yareisa, I don't like yar....
Yareisa : ok!
G° : so. what can we do for you tonight TT? How come your here?
TimeTravel_0 : I enjoy the "paranormal" chat rooms for 2 reasons.
TimeTravel_0 : 1. I find the people here are more open to ideas.
TimeTravel_0 : 2. I find it ironic that when what they are looking forfalls in their lap, they can't believe it.
(These couple of lines are huge)
G° : sorry you've been doing all the talking....
wyrmkin_37 has joined the conversation.
TimeTravel_0 : Its okay,
wyrmkin_37 : hello to room
TimeTravel_0 : I learn a lot from you too.
G° : hi wyrm
Yareisa : hi
wyrmwyrmkin_37 : hey
G° : so who owns the machine TT?
G° : who do you work for?
TimeTravel_0 : The military.
TimeTravel_0 : Im a soldier.
TimeTravel_0 : But civilan time travle is not far off.
G° : do they know your in the year 2000 chatting to us when you should be returning with the 5110?
TimeTravel_0 : Good question!!!
G° : LOL How would they know?
G° : unless your machine records jumps?
TimeTravel_0 : No...but i will return just seconds after I left from their point of view.
TimeTravel_0 : I will only age a bit more than expected.
wyrmkin_37 : what matter of singularities?
G° : Imust say, your a very friendly, chatty soldier...
Yareisa : temporal phase shift
Yareisa : oops, thinking aloud again
wyrmkin_37 : anti-matter or dimensional?
TimeTravel_0 : Well...I only fought in the civil war. The military put me through school and I was qualified for this mission.
TimeTravel_0 : The singularities distort gravity.
TimeTravel_0 : Ill be happy to go through the physics. The basics are already known.
wyrmkin_37 : please........proceed
Yareisa : please do
TimeTravel_0 : Ok
TimeTravel_0 : In 1967, a physist named Tipler came up with the basic equations for time travel based on massive rotating cylinders...ever heard of him?
(he's talking about Frank Tipler and I guess he's talking about this [ur]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tipler_Cylinder[/url])
wyrmkin_37 : in omni?
G° : no, sorry
TimeTravel_0 : no problem...
TimeTravel_0 : are you familiar with black holes and Stephen Halking?
TimeTravel_0 : Sorry...spelling
Yareisa : to some degree, yes
TimeTravel_0 : Ok
wyrmkin_37 : .......a brief history of time
TimeTravel_0 : Yes.
TimeTravel_0 : Black holes distort gravity...which distorts time.
wyrmkin_37 : theory
TimeTravel_0 : At there center is a singularity.
G° : yeah, with you so far
TimeTravel_0 : No...it is proved.
TimeTravel_0 : In 1969, science invented a clock sensitive enough to show the time difference in a multiple sotry building.
wyrmkin_37 : kewl
TimeTravel_0 : On the first floor...time runs slower due to gravity.
TimeTravel_0 : Clser to the center of the Earth.
wyrmkin_37 : get outa here
G° : also the 2 clocks, one in a plane that flew off and came backdifferent to the other one
TimeTravel_0 : Yes!!!
G° : ok
wyrmkin_37 : gravitation
TimeTravel_0 : The effect is magnified greatly in a black hole.
TimeTravel_0 : As it turns out...
TimeTravel_0 : If you encounter a black hole that is spinning and has an electrified field, you will not be killed passing through its massive gravitational fiuelds.
(and how exactly did they test this? lol. "You go first" "No you go" "No you go" Anyway, I'd really like to see ANY evidence supporting this or an explanation on how. Definately more on black holes later)
TimeTravel_0 : regreting asking yet>
Yareisa : no
TimeTravel_0 : Ok
wyrmkin_37 : no
Yareisa : I'm hooked
TimeTravel_0 : In about a year...
G° : is this the omeg point theory?
G° : omega?
TimeTravel_0 : CERN will discover some very odd things as a result oftheir high energy experiments.
(like what!?)
TimeTravel_0 : in about a year.
TimeTravel_0 : from your point of view.
wyrmkin_37 : cern?
TimeTravel_0 : in Geneva.
Yareisa : particle accelerator
wyrmkin_37 : oh
TimeTravel_0 : They will accidently create microsingularities.
G° : makes things go round and hit each other...
TimeTravel_0 : Which will evaporate very quickly.
(which is good if you want the earth to survive, lol)
wyrmkin_37 : one in texas?
TimeTravel_0 : and create a massive ammount of X-ray and Gamma rays.
TimeTravel_0 : It will puzzle them for a while.
TimeTravel_0 : Until they figure out how to add and elcrtical charge and capture these strange odd and massive particles in a magnetic field.
wyrmkin_37 : they shoot electrons at the speed of light.......see whatthey bust up into
TimeTravel_0 : Yes.
G° : still with you...
wyrmkin_37 : quarks
TimeTravel_0 : If you bombard a singularity with electrons...
TimeTravel_0 : you can alter the size of its event horizon.
TimeTravel_0 : and thus its gravitational field.
TimeTravel_0 : By overlapping these fileds from two singularities...
TimeTravel_0 : you can travel forward and backward through time.
(HOW)
TimeTravel_0 : Its actuallyu quyite simple.
wyrmkin_37 : i follow now
TimeTravel_0 : Thats noit the hard part.
G° : didn't tipler say there was no event horizon?
TimeTravel_0 : No..he said it was possible to approach a massive gravitationl field from certain angles and not get squished.
G° : oh, sorry
wyrmkin_37 : lol
TimeTravel_0 : Actually...Im not really a physisit.
G° : but you know all about this stuff... is that why you were picked?
(Titor's statement and the above question - important later)
TimeTravel_0 : I specialize in 20th century history and my grandfather builds computers.
wyrmkin_37 : what base?
TimeTravel_0 : Hmmm....you drive a car and know how to change the oildon;t you?
TimeTravel_0 : I am based in Tampa Fl.
G° : actually, only just.. LOL
wyrmkin_37 : chas, afb
TimeTravel_0 : McDill
(also may be important)
wyrmkin_37 : kewl
G° : sorry?
G° : in english?
wyrmkin_37 : zoomies
Yareisa : thats english?!
G° : you airforce wyrm?
wyrmkin_37 : yes
G° : your not working on a time machine are you?
G° : come here for guidance...
wyrmkin_37 : no just came in for chat


(more in a bit...)

[edit on 19-6-2007 by ThatsJustWeird]

Originally posted by Where2Hide2006
Cool videos Roth! much appreciated!

So whats going on with the movie??? They should make his story into a TV Show, like Jericho but only better. My only hope would be that CBS doens't get its hands on it.

Where2Hide2006, thanks!

Here's another link (though the special effects are a bit lame):
www.brightcove.com...

Sorry for the delay....
******

TimeTravel_0 : Altering gravity is not the hard part.
G° : LOL
Yareisa : go on...
TimeTravel_0 : Detecting gravity is the hard part.
TimeTravel_0 : I will tell you a littlke story.
TimeTravel_0 : When time travel was invented.
(you can't invent time travel)
TimeTravel_0 : They built prototypes that would go back in time for a
split
second and then return.
TimeTravel_0 : They had sensors and cameras on them.
TimeTravel_0 : ...and they never returned.
G° : and forwards as well? how about a single jump forwards?
TimeTravel_0 : It was later discovered that the machines were ending up
about 15 miles away and 3000 fett in the air.
TimeTravel_0 : feet
(And a fall from that height would certainly destroy the car. Meaning in a world with little resources and trying to rebuild they wasted a TON of money)
G° : doh!
TimeTravel_0 : The Earth was rotating away from them.
wyrmkin_37 : synchroniaztion please
TimeTravel_0 : A system had to be invented that would "hold" the machine
to
the Earth.
TimeTravel_0 : Its called VGL.
TimeTravel_0 : Its based on very sensative clocks and gravity sensors.
TimeTravel_0 : It stops the time distortion machine if radical changes in
gravity are detected.
(makes no sense. definitely have to revisit this later)
wyrmkin_37 : mechanical or electronic clocks
TimeTravel_0 : You wouldn't want to end up inside a mountain or under
water...would you?
TimeTravel_0 : Cesium.
wyrmkin_37 : oh
G° : isn't all this classified? surely your suppoed to keep it secret
whilst
in the past?
TimeTravel_0 : LOL!!!
(using 2000 internet jargon I see. Notice he never answers the question)
TimeTravel_0 : I know you think Im nuts...come on.
TimeTravel_0 : Who would believe me?
G° : just asking?
TimeTravel_0 : It my best defense.
wyrmkin_37 : isnt celsium a higher class of quartz? dont know
G° : but we don't have long to find out if you are or not
TimeTravel_0 : Besides...do you know how big a hole 2 sigularites make
when
their magnetic filed colpases?
G° : won't be long before CERN (?) make the discovery
TimeTravel_0 : Thats right.
G° : no
TimeTravel_0 : Welll....either do I. But I don;t want to know.
G° : LOL
wyrmkin_37 : i read omni since it came out and i do want to know
G° : maybe I'll pass on the theory to someone who does their own
experiment
and... BANG!
wyrmkin_37 : lol
TimeTravel_0 : I've been trying.
G° : any joy?
TimeTravel_0 : But Im the crazy yank
wyrmkin_37 : lmao
G° : What do you expect? you didn't tell them you from the future did you?
TimeTravel_0 : You might be interested in this...
G° : if you really wanted to, you should have just passed on the theory
G° : go on....
TimeTravel_0 : Its very hard to convince someone you travel in time unless
you're related to them.
G° : or know something that will happen...
TimeTravel_0 : Good point...but you'de be surprised.
G° : not that I'm asking you to tell me something, cos I don't want you to
TimeTravel_0 : They usually think its your fault.
G° : LOL
G° : bummer...
wyrmkin_37 : very interesting
TimeTravel_0 : That's why I love these chat rooms.
wyrmkin_37 : me too
TimeTravel_0 : I know that nothing I say will make a bit of difference.
(lol)
wyrmkin_37 : i can drink my jack and coke and learn a few things
G° : not true.. this is the place where you can make a difference.
TimeTravel_0 : Im not feeling sorry for myself.
TimeTravel_0 : Im actually learning to like the people here.
TimeTravel_0 : You have a very bad reputaion in 2036.
(what a load. 30 years is not that far in the future. These people hate themselves?)
wyrmkin_37 : TT........who me?
TimeTravel_0 : lol...in general.
wyrmkin_37 : heard that
G° : how about those 80's lot though. they must be worse...
TimeTravel_0 : Don't get me started.
G° : LOL
TimeTravel_0 : At least your commercials and video games have gotten
beeter
through the years.
G° : and as for the 70's! Sheesh!
wyrmkin_37 : 60's were cool
TimeTravel_0 : Generaly... this period is thought of as the time when they
had it all and squanderd it.
TimeTravel_0 : You diserve your fate.
wyrmkin_37 : but fun was had
TimeTravel_0 : That's true.
TimeTravel_0 : Can I ask you brits a question?
G° : sure
Yareisa : yeah sure
G° : shoot
TimeTravel_0 : When I was a kid...back in 2012...
G° : a good year for cyberpunk...
TimeTravel_0 : I used to watch a DVD called UFO that was made in England.
TimeTravel_0 : Ever heard of it?
G° : oops no, that was 2030, sorry
G° : the tv series? 70's?
wyrmkin_37 : i saw it on regular tv
TimeTravel_0 : Yes!!!
TimeTravel_0 : You've seen it?
Yareisa : oh yes I remember that one
TimeTravel_0 : Wow...we do have something in common.
G° : yeah, dreadful outfits!
TimeTravel_0 : No one has heard of it here.
Yareisa : straker wasn't it
G° : and hairstyles!
TimeTravel_0 : I loved that show!
G° : so TT, there is something you can tell me
TimeTravel_0 : Yes?
G° : what happens in December 2012?
wyrmkin_37 : i saw it the good guys were called shadow?
G° : anything?
TimeTravel_0 : Ahhh..the acient miayn prohecies.
G° : the very same
(the spelling errors may be important later too)
TimeTravel_0 :
wyrmkin_37 : mayans
TimeTravel_0 : sorry
wyrmkin_37 : ?
TimeTravel_0 : Nothing happens...but there is a nuclear war in 2015.
G° : bugger
TimeTravel_0 : Its not that bad.
(bs)
TimeTravel_0 : The bombs are much cleaner.
(bs - 2015 is not that far in the future.)
G° : i guess not
wyrmkin_37 : china and russia?
TimeTravel_0 : There's a civial war in the US.
wyrmkin_37 : whoa?
TimeTravel_0 : Russian launches against China, Europe and the US.
G° : it was bound to happen sooner or later...
TimeTravel_0 : Can;t you see it coming?
G° : whatamistaka to maka!
TimeTravel_0 : Does anyone read history anymore?
(certainly not your followers, lol. I've been begging them to)
wyrmkin_37 : i saw russia and china but not usa
TimeTravel_0 : From my point of view...Russia helps us. We win.
G° : how so?
TimeTravel_0 : But Im a little pissed right now. Is that still the right
word?
wyrmkin_37 : wheat, money........lets make friends
G° : ?
TimeTravel_0 : The civil war in the US has two sides.
TimeTravel_0 : I fought on one side.
G° : they usualy do
wyrmkin_37 : proceed sir................
TimeTravel_0 : The other side got nuked by Russia.
G° : i see
G° : not north and south again was it?
TimeTravel_0 : In 2036, they are our largets trading partner.
(bs. Russia would be unlivable for the next hundred or so years)
TimeTravel_0 : No...more like city angainst country.'
wyrmkin_37 : majorities against minorities.......
TimeTravel_0 : Yes.
(who's the majority? who's the minority? The people outnumber the government by about 300 million)
TimeTravel_0 : You know...guns versus no guns.
(Americans love their guns. Which side has "no guns". More bs)
TimeTravel_0 : Power versus no power.
wyrmkin_37 : time to pour another jack and coke
TimeTravel_0 : Un troops versus no UN troops.
G° : well, it's been interesting talking to you John, but it's way past my
bedtime...
Yareisa : what...I've been up 24 hours!
TimeTravel_0 : Sleep well.
TimeTravel_0 : Youve been very polite.
G° : look me up when you get back to 2036 will you?
TimeTravel_0 : I will try.
G° : if i'm still here
TimeTravel_0 : Go north.
TimeTravel_0 : Invest in hydrogen fuel cells
(for what? The economy is gone. And no reliable technology around.)
G° : goodnight Yareisa
Yareisa : goodnight G
Yareisa : thanks for staying up so early!
G° : thanks again TT, goodnight
G° : LOL
TimeTravel_0 : good night
G° : see you again soon
Yareisa : yup
TimeTravel_0 : Ill be here
TimeTravel_0 : Think up some good questions
G° puts on his coat and trudges out...
Yareisa : bye G
G° has left the conversation.
Yareisa : I've given up going to bed now, might as well keep going!
TimeTravel_0 : Time is relative.
TimeTravel_0 : But sleep....
Yareisa : forgotten what sleep is!
TimeTravel_0 : What do you do for a living?
Yareisa : by day...web site design
TimeTravel_0 : Is your family close to you?
Yareisa : no
TimeTravel_0 : That's the one thing I will never understand about this
time.
Yareisa : whats that
TimeTravel_0 : Don;t you feel alone without them?
Yareisa : not really, I'm used to being alone
TimeTravel_0 : Its very diffrent in the future.
TimeTravel_0 : I can't imagine being without my family.
TimeTravel_0 : I don;t know if I should pity or admire you.
Yareisa : I'm not sure either!


more...

*******

wyrmkin_37 has returned.
Yareisa : wb
wyrmkin_37 : hello folks
TimeTravel_0 : greetings
Yareisa : I am known as a Warrior, I'm used to fighting to survive
wyrmkin_37 : been there
TimeTravel_0 : In the future, life is organized around the family.
wyrmkin_37 : good
TimeTravel_0 : and the community.
Yareisa : then it looks like I have a problem!
TimeTravel_0 : 'I can;t imagine what it's like to live alone.
Yareisa : I rather like it actually
TimeTravel_0 : If I may ask...why?
Yareisa : I can do what I choose, when I choose without having to answer
to
anyone
TimeTravel_0 : What about it appeals to you?
wyrmkin_37 : later folks
wyrmkin_37 has left the conversation.
TimeTravel_0 : good night
Yareisa : Sometimes I miss not having company
Yareisa : but I'm very independant
TimeTravel_0 : Your answer is typical of the people of your time.
TimeTravel_0 : Do you feel you would be hindered by "answerinfg? to
someone?
TimeTravel_0 : What does that mean?
Yareisa : I was hindered, that is why I evicted my husband
TimeTravel_0 : Please explain.
Yareisa : I am a deeply spiritual person, I needed to grow, to expand, and
he stopped me
TimeTravel_0 : How...if its not too personal.
Yareisa : he was a control freak, I had to do what he told me to do etc
TimeTravel_0 : I think you would like the future.
(but he just said that he's the opposite of what the future is like)
Yareisa : why is that
TimeTravel_0 : Its a common complainyt that people feel hindered.
TimeTravel_0 : In the future, life is more challenging.
Yareisa : is it more spiritual?
TimeTravel_0 : There is little room for petty problems.
TimeTravel_0 : Yes!
TimeTravel_0 : Mystery returns to existance.
Yareisa : beyond the human
TimeTravel_0 : There are fewer luxuries but life is more enjoyable.
Yareisa : I never like luxuries anyway
Yareisa : I live basically
Yareisa : do you consider yourself human
TimeTravel_0 : I wish I could show you the time machine and give you hope.
TimeTravel_0 : Yes.
TimeTravel_0 : I am very different from you.
Yareisa : in what way
TimeTravel_0 : My life is very different.
TimeTravel_0 : I harbor a ccertain ammount of anger toward this time.
Yareisa : why
TimeTravel_0 : I see an entire population of people who are sleeping.
TimeTravel_0 : I fell in love once and she passed away.
TimeTravel_0 : I blame you for her death.
Yareisa : why
TimeTravel_0 : She died of brain cancer.
(*yawn* Trying horrible to be dramatic. He's a time traveler right. He can spend as much time as he wants with her. More bs)
TimeTravel_0 : You may find this interesting.
TimeTravel_0 : WHen I was training for "time travel"...
TimeTravel_0 : ...a great deal of what we did was pyscholgical training.
TimeTravel_0 : In one of our exercises...we had to go back in time and
convince "ourselves" to do something we regretted not doing in our own
life.
TimeTravel_0 : I told myself to get married before she died.
TimeTravel_0 : SOmething I was unable to do.
TimeTravel_0 : I hate you for that.
Yareisa : hate me personally?
TimeTravel_0 : Sorry.... I don;t hate you.
TimeTravel_0 : I mean this time.
TimeTravel_0 : Jacksonville Fl took a direct hit.
(see Glyph. He brought this up on his own. This is very specific.)
TimeTravel_0 : The radiation killed her.
Yareisa : I cannot say sorry for something that hasn't happened yet, but I
am sorry
TimeTravel_0 : I talk too much
Yareisa : and I don't talk enough
TimeTravel_0 : I just wish things didn;t have to happen athey way they
will.
Yareisa : we cannot change it?
TimeTravel_0 : Its too late.
(we're not on his worldline as he stated earlier so it's too late for what? Come back to this later)
Yareisa : I sensed that
TimeTravel_0 : I regret what you could have been bot what will result.
TimeTravel_0 : not
TimeTravel_0 : ...are you drinking?
Yareisa : no
TimeTravel_0 : I am... orange wine.
TimeTravel_0 : I love it.
Yareisa : I think my ethereal has taken over, my body has no need for
anything more
TimeTravel_0 : Are you alone?
Yareisa : yes
TimeTravel_0 : No children?
Yareisa : none
TimeTravel_0 : Are you afraid?
Yareisa : what of
TimeTravel_0 : Being alone?
Yareisa : no
TimeTravel_0 : I don;t mean to be so perosnal.
TimeTravel_0 : I aplogoze.
Yareisa : its alright, I'm used to it
TimeTravel_0 : To being alone?
Yareisa : to being asked personal questions as well!
TimeTravel_0 : I appreciate your kindness.
Yareisa : ty, but that is my nature
TimeTravel_0 : I am familiar with Blue Oyster Cult.
Yareisa : oh, you've read my profile?!
TimeTravel_0 : I just took a look.
TimeTravel_0 : In fact...my father is a big fan.
Yareisa : the link to my web site is on there too
Yareisa : one of my favourite tracks is, Veterans of the Psychic Wars
TimeTravel_0 : Thats quite a webb ste...hold on.
Yareisa : k
TimeTravel_0 : Im asking my father.
TimeTravel_0 : He says thats from "Heavy Metal"?
Yareisa : I've got it on a compilation, Workshop of the Telescopes
TimeTravel_0 : "Cultosaurus Erectus" is his favorite.
TimeTravel_0 : I have no idea what he's taling about.
Yareisa : probably best not to, might cause a glitch in the space time
contimuum!
TimeTravel_0 : Godzillia?
Yareisa : yes thats a good one
TimeTravel_0 : Hes lauging.
TimeTravel_0 : You wacky 20th century freaks.
(hilarious exchange. Same thing happens in that "interview")
Yareisa : Don't Fear The Reaper is good too, a classic
Yareisa : so do I presume the aliens don't come in 2012 then?
TimeTravel_0 : Noty that Im aware of.
TimeTravel_0 : However...there are plenty of things that will get your
attention by 2012.
Yareisa : such as...can you say?
(he never answers....)
TimeTravel_0 : My father has a question.
Yareisa : go on
TimeTravel_0 : What do you think of "club Ninja"? I have no idea what
that
is.
Yareisa : I haven't heard that one
Yareisa : I've got Dancing in the ruins on the compilation
TimeTravel_0 : He says it was one of their last CDs.
Yareisa : yes, then there is Imaginos
Yareisa : I've just started to collect them again, used to have some
albums,
getting CD's now
TimeTravel_0 : Revolutoin by night? What's that.
Yareisa : another album
TimeTravel_0 : I see.
TimeTravel_0 : Perhaps you should talk to my father.
Yareisa : I could get confused!
Yareisa : Actually, I will have to go soon, its nearly 6 in the morning
here...
Yareisa : I got up at 5 in the morning on Friday
TimeTravel_0 : I hope to talk to yoiu again.
Yareisa : I would like that
TimeTravel_0 : Cheer up.
TimeTravel_0 : Things get better.
(um...no they won't)
TimeTravel_0 : Get some sleep.
Yareisa : I will!
TimeTravel_0 : Good night.
Yareisa : good night
TimeTravel_0 has left the conversation

*********

End of that chat. Going to go over his forum posts next.

[edit on 19-6-2007 by ThatsJustWeird]

Great posts ThatsJustWeird, keep 'em coming!

[edit on 19-6-2007 by thehumbleone]

TimeTravel_0 : Yes...in fact the major breakthrough happens at CERN inabout a year.

(Wrong!)

what?? hes not wrong. any great device built was built after the schematic was put through the works. the LHC is just the baby of the major breakthrough.

TimeTravel_0 : Im here because of a promise to my grandfather in 1975.

(Which means what? When he went back to 1975, he had to convince this man he was his grandson. Then he came to here and had to convince his parents he was their son. He must have had some INCREDIBLE evidence. Why didn't he show us this evidence!?)

im most certain the "proof" to his grandfather was the trip to 2000, and that would have been the evidence for his parents. tho thats only speculation.

(in fact, "time" is a human invention)

the measured form of time is fictitious, however the passage of change can be observed; "this" is true time. just FYI

TimeTravel_0 : By definition, this world line is not the same as mine.

(Exactly!)

"By Definition" as ive stated many times by default its gonna be at least .000...001, which by definition is a different timeline.

G° : you with the infinate worlds with infinate possibilities theory then?
TimeTravel_0 : Yes!!!

(see glyph )

i know you think you proved somthing, but you failed:/ i said their are infinite possibilities but "NOT infinite choices" :/

TimeTravel_0 : I enjoy the "paranormal" chat rooms for 2 reasons.
TimeTravel_0 : 1. I find the people here are more open to ideas.
TimeTravel_0 : 2. I find it ironic that when what they are looking forfalls in their lap, they can't believe it.

(These couple of lines are huge)

help me here becuase you obviously dont read it like i do:/

TimeTravel_0 : In 1967, a physist named Tipler came up with the basic equations for time travel based on massive rotating cylinders...ever heard of him?

(he's talking about Frank Tipler and I guess he's talking about this Tipler_Cylinder)

well heres the rub with your angle, youve also have to apply this concept to the mechanics of a dual BH, which to me throws this whole point far to the winds:/ its just a known "unknown"

TimeTravel_0 : If you encounter a black hole that is spinning and has an electrified field, you will not be killed passing through its massive gravitational fiuelds.

(and how exactly did they test this? lol. "You go first" "No you go" "No you go" Anyway, I'd really like to see ANY evidence supporting this or an explanation on how. Definately more on black holes later)

there is a dark side to science;(

TimeTravel_0 : Which will evaporate very quickly.

(which is good if you want the earth to survive, lol)

a pure statement of false understanding:/

TimeTravel_0 : It was later discovered that the machines were ending up
about 15 miles away and 3000 fett in the air.
TimeTravel_0 : feet

(And a fall from that height would certainly destroy the car. Meaning in a world with little resources and trying to rebuild they wasted a TON of money)

firstly- they would NOT use any cars in their preliminary tests, and secondly- when on earth has a govt ever been a penny pincher?

TimeTravel_0 : A system had to be invented that would "hold" the machine
to
the Earth.
TimeTravel_0 : Its called VGL.
TimeTravel_0 : Its based on very sensative clocks and gravity sensors.
TimeTravel_0 : It stops the time distortion machine if radical changes in
gravity are detected.

(makes no sense. definitely have to revisit this later)

what doesnt make sense? the text here appears straight forward to me? :/

(using 2000 internet jargon I see. Notice he never answers the question)

why on earth should he? the question is clearly a question that is coming from a skeptical angle "o yeah.. but what about this?". its a stupid question, the answer is yes, but becuase he has a "timemachine" he dont give a sh*t.

(what a load. 30 years is not that far in the future. These people hate themselves?)

what? i live here "now" and i "hate" these people:/

(bs - 2015 is not that far in the future.)

clearly you havent been reading Vitchilo's or Roth's posts. Russia "is" makeing cleaner nukes they are switching to a more "tactical" form as apposed to the mega ton "crack the earth in 2" nukes.

TimeTravel_0 : Invest in hydrogen fuel cells

(for what? The economy is gone. And no reliable technology around.)

as a combustible fuel, becuase GAS will be gone(un-retrievable to the masses)

(*yawn* Trying horrible to be dramatic. He's a time traveler right. He can spend as much time as he wants with her. More bs)

WOW . i now revoke my statement about your admiral side, your bleeding heart is no more:/

Yareisa : hate me personally?
TimeTravel_0 : Sorry.... I don;t hate you.
TimeTravel_0 : I mean this time.
TimeTravel_0 : Jacksonville Fl took a direct hit.

(see Glyph. He brought this up on his own. This is very specific.)

TimeTravel_0 : The radiation killed her.

wrong he was prompted by Yareisa, it was the reason for his wife-to-be's death. but i get your point, i was wrong:/

we're not on his worldline as he stated earlier so it's too late for what?

a sizable change, and before you point out that he states "its possible to change the future" know there is a difference between possibilities and probabilities.



[edit on 20/6/07 by Glyph_D]

Glyph_D, that is truly a fantastic post!

When I can find the time I will respond to tjw's nonsense as well!

Originally posted by Glyph_D
what?? hes not wrong. any great device built was built after the schematic was put through the works. the LHC is just the baby of the major breakthrough.

What are you talking about? He was very specific in saying there would be a major breakthrough in a year (he states this several times). It's not 7 years later and the thing isn't even online yet! lol

im most certain the "proof" to his grandfather was the trip to 2000, and that would have been the evidence for his parents. tho thats only speculation.

That doesn't make sense.
He went to 1975 first for his mission. He had to get help from his "grandfather" then meaning he had to convince him then that he was his grandson.

the measured form of time is fictitious, however the passage of change can be observed; "this" is true time. just FYI

This could use a whole different thread to discuss....

"By Definition" as ive stated many times by default its gonna be at least .000...001, which by definition is a different timeline.

What are you basing this on?
Going by that, that means that basically the same scenario plays out on that worldline....
Meaning what? Meaning there should be MULTIPLE Titor's arriving at the same point at around the same time

The fact that Titor was here 9 months, based on what he says, means this world should be dramatically different from his since every breath he takes would increase the divergence exponentially.

i know you think you proved somthing, but you failed:/ i said their are infinite possibilities but "NOT infinite choices" :/

1. How is that possible? If there are infinite possibilities then by definition there are infinite choices.
2. What are you basing this on? I want to see your real science not Titor science.

help me here becuase you obviously dont read it like i do:/

I want to get more into that later but, if you were planning a hoax, where would you go? A place where the questions would be fairly light and answerable because the people there are already share a lot of your beliefs and are susceptible to believing you. Or a place where there would be more skeptics and harder questions?

well heres the rub with your angle, youve also have to apply this concept to the mechanics of a dual BH, which to me throws this whole point far to the winds:/ its just a known "unknown"

??
What? I've was just giving a little FYI. He never explains who Tipler was so I informed anyone who may not know.

a pure statement of false understanding:/

Then explain.
And remember, this is real life buddy, not Star Trek, lol

firstly- they would NOT use any cars in their preliminary tests

Then please tell us what they used.

and secondly- when on earth has a govt ever been a penny pincher?

They destroyed the government remember. And the economy would be in shambles at this point with MASSIVE rebuilding and a war dept that'd make anyone cry.

what doesnt make sense? the text here appears straight forward to me? :/

Do you realize how fast the earth is moving? If you stopped the machine every time "radical changes" in gravity are detected, you'd only have gone back a few seconds. And when the machine stops you'd STILL be in the air and miles away.

why on earth should he? the question is clearly a question that is coming from a skeptical angle "o yeah.. but what about this?". its a stupid question, the answer is yes, but becuase he has a "timemachine" he dont give a sh*t.

Please, it was a very valid question. He didn't answer because he had no answer for it yet. This was just the begining so not all bases were covered yet.

what? i live here "now" and i "hate" these people:/

Including yourself?

clearly you havent been reading Vitchilo's or Roth's posts. Russia "is" makeing cleaner nukes they are switching to a more "tactical" form as apposed to the mega ton "crack the earth in 2" nukes.

lol
1. Russia has neither the resources or money to convert all their nukes to "cleaner" ones. Please don't fall into their propaganda. Titor's states they attack the U.S., Europe, and China. I guarentee you they don't have enough "clean" nukes to do that.
Also, just today - even OUR government is cutting back on building newer (which would be cleaner) nukes
www.washingtonpost.com...

2. Apparently YOU haven't been reading Vits or Roth's posts. Russia isn't making cleaner nukes. They're testing missiles that are designed to penetrate a missile shield. That does NOT make any nukes cleaner

as a combustible fuel, becuase GAS will be gone(un-retrievable to the masses)

B.S.
Titor never states this and why would it?

Also, do you know what it takes to use hydrogen for transportation? A lot more than it does gas.
How many hydrogen refueling stations are there in the U.S.?
How many hydrogen cars are their in the U.S.?
How many do you think would survived the civil war and nuclear war?
lol

WOW . i now revoke my statement about your admiral side, your bleeding heart is no more:/

Oh please. If you can't see through that then you have problems....
I'm sure even a child could see that he's pulling their leg.

a sizable change, and before you point out that he states "its possible to change the future" know there is a difference between possibilities and probabilities.

Again, we're NOT on his worldline. The probability and possibility of us changing his worldline is nil. But that is irrelevant as we're not on that one.
He doesn't know our future.




I'll try to start on the forum posts in a bit...

[edit on 20-6-2007 by ThatsJustWeird]

Just like to point out that "clean bombs" are nothing new or particularly high tech. During the development of the H-Bomb in the fifties and on the heels of the testing ban, President Eisenhower was approached with the prospect of continuing the testing, as a zero radiation H-Bomb was only a few years away. The president was interested but the development was halted (at least openly) due to pressure to cease all test detonations, as well as with the realization that a conventional (aka dirty) bomb better served strategic interests (pretty effin' sick eh?).

Given that fifty years have passed and technology has advanced significantly, I see no reason why Russia cannot have developed clean bombs even with the absence of test detonations. Computer modelling has come a long way since Eisenhower's day. That being the case, recovery after a nuclear war using these weapons would be quite a bit easier would it not?

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird

Originally posted by Glyph_D
... the LHC is just the baby of the major breakthrough.

What are you talking about? He was very specific in saying there would be a major breakthrough in a year (he states this several times). It's not 7 years later and the thing isn't even online yet! lol

i seriously dont think you get the process for scientific developement. einstien laid down the ground work for the "breakthrough" to develope the atomic bomb before anyone considered useing it as a weapon.

That doesn't make sense.
He went to 1975 first for his mission. He had to get help from his "grandfather" then meaning he had to convince him then that he was his grandson.

titor never goes into detail(thank god) what takes place with his grandfather. however his mission was to retreive the comp. he wouldnt have to convince anyone about anything to get that. im sure titor told his grandfather the truth, then promised to prove it in the future.

What are you basing this on?
Going by that, that means that basically the same scenario plays out on that worldline....
Meaning what? Meaning there should be MULTIPLE Titor's arriving at the same point at around the same time

how on earth you piece it together like that? thats not what that would mean by "going by that".

The fact that Titor was here 9 months, based on what he says, means this world should be dramatically different from his since every breath he takes would increase the divergence exponentially.

inaccurate, there are over 6 billion people on this planet all haveing the same degree of influence. there will be a rip becuase of the traveller but its not cataclysmic as you suggest(if titor kept a low profile)

1. How is that possible? If there are infinite possibilities then by definition there are infinite choices.
2. What are you basing this on? I want to see your real science not Titor science.

if you have at least one choice for every timeline, yes by numbers youd have infinite choices. however from a perspective of accessibility(options), one person CANNOT exist in multiple timelines. therefore they cannot benefit from the infinite choices, they are restricted to a limited number.

remember dice?if i had infinite dice id have infinite choices, but i dont so i get the shaft.

... if you were planning a hoax, where would you go?

again you assume hes a hoax, maybe he just wanted to talk on the net, like he claimed:/

*theoretically BH exist right in your front lawn, your bathroom, your food. the stories youve been told about BH are theoretical. i know you dont want titor science, but adding an electrical charge to a field does change its behavior(read: HAARP). does that apply to BH aswell? id assume so(but i dont like to assume)

firstly- they would NOT use any cars in their preliminary tests

Then please tell us what they used.

a cardboard box? sh*t man get a clue. technology starts cheap and basic then they start the upgrades

They destroyed the government remember. And the economy would be in shambles at this point with MASSIVE rebuilding and a war dept that'd make anyone cry.

they "replaced" the govt, the rest is speculation

Do you realize how fast the earth is moving? If you stopped the machine every time "radical changes" in gravity are detected, you'd only have gone back a few seconds. And when the machine stops you'd STILL be in the air and miles away.

clearly your definition of radical changes is different than what this device was to detect:/

what? i live here "now" and i "hate" these people:/

Including yourself?

everyday i dont stop these "idiots" from screwing up this planet i hate myself more and more:/ my hate is VAST

as a combustible fuel, becuase GAS will be gone(un-retrievable to the masses)

B.S.
Titor never states this and why would it?

Also, do you know what it takes to use hydrogen for transportation? A lot more than it does gas.
How many hydrogen refueling stations are there in the U.S.?
How many hydrogen cars are their in the U.S.?
How many do you think would survived the civil war and nuclear war?
lol

the war in ME is why petro will be scarce, and/or to expensive for the populace to manage.

fortunately-H cars are not that difficult to develop, and with the knowledge of H extraction from water the possibilities are bright. H is cleaner and easier to use than petroGAS, however its dangerous in foolish hands(which is to me the real reason for its poor backing)

Again, we're NOT on his worldline. The probability and possibility of us changing his worldline is nil. But that is irrelevant as we're not on that one.
He doesn't know our future.

your right he doesnt "know" our future but he does see whats coming becuase its not to different than what was in his timeline.

think of it like this> before titor came we had a 100% chance of getting a civilwar, now that he has came and went that percentage dropped. [according to him the percentage is still to high to advert his future]

what you should be asking is what events gave birth to this civilwar/ww3. ill assume becuase titor spent his time at a PC, that he did not go out and remove those events. so.... those events will/have happened because of no intervention. which means "full steam ahead".

the people behind these events where not assassinated by titor, so they will continue to go as their plans have been set. i believe that a civil war or ww3 will be put into place by many(if not millions) of people looking blindly into the future "the american dream?".

EDIT: i didnt answer all your questions, because of "lack of space"

[edit on 20/6/07 by Glyph_D]

Titor posts on a couple of different threads that overlap but I'll go over 'I am from 2036' first. I'll start to give a little bit longer responses. And I'll since there are a TON of posts in the threads (I'm talking about from others, not Titor), I'll only post the one's that are relevant or interesting.

Greetings. I am a time traveler from the year 2036. I am on my way home after getting an IBM 5100 computer system from the year 1975.

My "time" machine is a stationary mass, temporal displacement unit manufactured by General Electric. The unit is powered by two, top-spin, dual-positive singularities that produce a standard, off-set Tipler sinusoid.

I will be happy to post pictures of the unit.

Ahh NOW he switches to a 5100. Why was he so intent on it being a 5110 before? Repeating it several times. Which is it Titor!?

Nice to see that while the world is in ruins and has for the most part destroyed itself, GE not only survives, but advances exponentially in the next 30 years from making washing machines to time machines

Also notice he likes his pictures. This is a good way of testing the hoax.

Mike Klinge


Hi,

As you are well aware of, I am sure, people can post anything here, whether or not it is true. What proof do you have that you have traveled through time? Rest assured that I want to believe you, but why should I believe?

Thank you for indulging me

Good questions. Too bad they're never answered.

My initial flight was from 2036 to 1975 (61 yrs). I then went from 1975 to 2000 (25 yrs.) Later this year, one of two favorable windows will open and I will return to my 2036 (35 yrs.) I am here now for personal reasons. The web page is not mine. I have been speaking online for about three months and the page is a collection of the various documents and pictures I have sent to other individuals.

Also, I realize there is no way for anyone to believe me with absolute certainty so I hope I'm at least entertaining. You may be interested to know that even in 2036, there are a large number of people who don’t believe in time travel. Are you sure the world is round?

1. What's the "favorable windows" crap. You have a time machine for cying out loud!
2. There he goes with the entertainment angle again. *wink wink*
3. People don't believe in time travel?
If time travel were discovered it would be the most talked about, the most watch, the most everything event in world history. Titor's worldline must be filled with the mentally ill, lol.

Posted by Kevin Spooner on 01-29-2001 02:45 AM


I visited your web page and it immediately struck me with those "photo's" you claimed to have put there or made available or believe in... mind if I ask something to clear my logical thinking mind...

Why is it, given that laser printers etc can print up to 2,400cpi, (or at least 600cpi) and pictures can be scanned at god only knows what (9,600+cpi) why your text and graphics appear to be 1950's reproduction of a faint typewriter in need of a ribbon replacement (God I havn't used the word 'Ribbon' since.... hmmm.)

And then there's the fact that given the obvious typewriter appearance, the 'text' sure wasn't made in 2036.

Oh... please don't use the "oh - technology went by the board by then." approach cause it won't stick.

Please understand that I have examined time travel and parallel world theories extensively and therefore only seek to clarify these points with you.


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Posted by John Titor on 01-29-2001 07:47 AM


Please keep in mind the web site is not mine and I apologize for the poor quality of the files. The photo you saw was taken by me with a Polaroid camera manufactured here. The other documents were duplicated by placing a book onto a copy machine at a packaging and shipping store and then scanning and saving them.

As for the printing technology in 2036, you may be surprised at how many people use typewriters however I agree the documents were probably not created that way.

I too am very anxious to hear your thoughts and questions on time travel / gravity displacement and any comments on the Everett Wheeler Graham model.

VERY GOOD questions spencer. Too bad Titor never answers them!
Notice how he tries to change the subject at the end.

Posted by John Titor on 01-29-2001 03:48 PM


Although the documents posted were printed from a computer printer, is it really that hard to believe that manual typing is just a bit more common in thirty years? After the war, many things like manual printing machines, bicycles, sailboats and hand tools were valued a great deal. I have noticed more people in California are installing wood burning stoves.

I realize my claims are a bit ridiculous but my intent is not really to be believed. However, if I had an opportunity to talk to a time traveler, I might ask questions like: How exactly does the singularity sensor measure the expansion of the inner event horizon or why does the reality of multiple worlds support the religious dogma that there are no good or bad people just good and bad desicions or what were the political motivations that changed the U.S. Constitution?

Bull. YES it's hard to believe manual typing is common or even exsistent 30 years from now. You try finding a typewriter NOW!

Also notice how he's trying to steer the direction of the conversation.

Posted by Mike Kolesnik on 01-29-2001 06:38 PM


Ho hum...ANOTHER time travler.

Contrary to the beliefs of some Titorites, Titor is in no way shape or form the first person to claim to be a time traveler, nor the last. If you look around some of those sites, you would see Titor is not even the most interesting!

1. What was the final death count in the recent India earthquake?
2. What is the "Ginger" (IT) invention?
3. Who wins the Stanley Cup (Hockey) this year?



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Posted by John Titor on 01-29-2001 09:10 PM


How do you figure I have easy access? I can appreciate your skepticism but I must admit I’m confused by your choice of questions. I fail to understand why a time traveler would be expected to know the details you ask. Right now, do any of you know the details of the first week in February for 1970? For that matter, could you tell me from memory if it rained in Atlanta last week? Is a sports almanac a required or expected piece of equipment for all “time machines”?

At least you didn’t ask the standard “what stocks should I buy” question. Interesting that no one ever asks which stocks to sell. I’m sure my answers will be quite unsatisfying but you should know I do not want your unshakable faith nor do I think anyone should give it so easily if a “time traveler” were able to answer those questions.

In fact, over this medium, it’s impossible to prove I’m a time traveler, therefore, it’s impossible to believe. Actually, I depend on that a great deal so I don’t have to worry about being picked up by your friendly law enforcement officers. What do you think they would do with two micro-singularities?

So here goes...

(1). I have no idea.
(2). It looks like some sort of motorized scooter. What do you think “IT” is?
(3). I know this one but I think it would be unfair and immoral for anyone to win a bet based on something I’ve told them.

First part - blah blah blah
Second part - why would the police want him?
Answers - more blah blah blah. He specialized in 20th century history right? He could have made a an extremely educated guess about the earthquake. The Ginger info was readily available. And how would it be unfair or immoral? You're doing people a favor


...more.....

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Posted by John Titor on 01-30-2001 06:21 AM

In my experience, when it becomes necessary to convince someone what I do for a living the only way to do that is to be related to them. Everything else is immediately written off as a parlor trick, even if they’re standing in front of a cooling distortion unit and I show them a dollar bill with the year 2029 on it.

Why don't you show us that bill Titor....

In the last few months, I have had numerous extended conversations online and there are quite a few things I’ve said which can easily be checked out but haven’t. I get no pleasure out of being right when it comes to CJD disease, war in the Middle East or suffering people in far away lands. There’s nothing like the look on someone’s face when you tell them 100,000 people will be dead tomorrow.

Then don't tell them. Simple as that.

In my travels, I have discovered that most people really don’t want to know about the future because if its different than what they want it ticks them off. Actually, I don’t blame them.

BS
Where are these people? Mars?

The means by which I travel in time is very physical. I require a “machine” to do it. It weighs about 500 pounds and gets quite hot. I do not own it and I did not build it. Within limits, I will be happy to discuss how it works and how “future” science thinks time works. No we have not completed string theory yet but (N-10) seems to work pretty well.

1. How do they get it to weigh only 500 pounds?
2. How do they keep it from obliterating the car?

As far as the future goes, your worldline is about 2.5% different than mine.

Which is HUGE.

Nonsense anyway. How would you measure something like that.

This is a roughly cumulative measurement based on my arrival in 1975. As far as I can tell right now, you are headed toward the same events I would call “my history” in 2036. However, the very nature of time travel states that every worldline is unique and you are very much in control of what you do and how you get there. Heck, the fact that I’m here makes it different from mine.

I have nothing to sell, and there is nothing I want anyone to do. For all other time travelers out there, I have no tests for you and I would enjoy discussing your feelings and experiences after the war. To everyone else, while I’m here, I am very interested in your philosophy, religious outlooks and speculations on technology.

If there's a 2.5% divergence (which increases the longer he stays), then that alone means we're not headed toward the same events.


Kevin asks about the war

Titor's next post:

Posted by John Titor on 01-30-2001 02:09 PM


Sometimes I imagine what it would be like to approach the Wright Brothers in 1910, before their first flight, and make the suggestion that in a mere thirty years, man would be on the brink of flying through the air at the speed of sound.

What tools would I be able to show them that would convince them? Would a picture of a jet airplane do it? Would complicated math and physics equations do it? Would it take a ride? Perhaps there will be a way to share the photos again but I don’t expect it would convince anyone. I would only hope they would spark conversation and make the reality of time travel a little more personal.

Although I have no personal experience with non-mechanical time travel, I cannot discount it. Physics has a way of making the impossible a reality.

I’m not here to study anyone. My objective was in 1975 and the reason I’m here now is my family. I find my preconceptions of what I would encounter interesting. Being exposed to a society through its art, music and advertising is one thing and experiencing it is another.

I’m not sure the physics of time travel is really that hard to grasp. Most of the working theory has been around on a large scale since 1970 and the technical breakthroughs are happening on your worldline right now.

Technology is not gone in 2036 nor is it the private domain of “government” leaders. Computer printers just didn’t work very well on 12 volts and many people just got used to doing things the old way. After the war, the main problem was distribution. Can anyone tell me how many companies in the United States still manufacture bicycle tires today? Anyone who still has a bike in 2008 will find out.

wtf? Completely ignored Kevin.
More Titor rambling. Still establishing the foundation of the hoax.

Posted by Mike Kolesnik on 01-30-2001 07:58 PM

If I traveled back in time I would absolutely want to know the history of the period and location. Since you have revealed yourself you have obviously been trying to convince people of you credibility. So since you had fore knowledge of your intentions you should have been ABSOLUTELY sure of having easy-to-verify NEAR future history. Showing crappy pictures of dollar bills from the future is child's play.
Anybody with a $500 computer can do that. You sound like one of those religious cult nuts whose story keeps changing.
The "temporal divergence" you mention makes it an easy answer for every probing question. " Well, because of the temporal divergence, the whole world just changed, THAT's why none of my predictions come true.
There is a medical term for people like you.
Look it up!

1. So General Electric makes your TT machine. Well if that's the case then being masters of mass production they should have made millions of them because EVERYONE would want one.

2. If the machine does exist we should be FLOODED with TTer's right now!

3. CJD That story has been know since the late 1940's. No great news there.

4. Middle east problems? That's a no brainer.

You are spitting out the same things Ed Dames did.
None of his predictions came true either...

Yawn...

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Posted by John Titor on 01-31-2001 06:30 AM


I’m not aware of any predictions I made or perhaps we do not agree on the definition. What anyone chooses to do based on something I might say will not affect me in the least. My goal is not to believed and I submit that your life would not be any better (and perhaps worse) if you did believe me. You placed “tests” before me that I must pass. Why? What do I have to gain by passing them?

The fact is there is nothing I can say or show you or let you drop hydrochloric acid on that will “make” you believe me and I really don’t want that. (BS) It would be nice to discuss your view on religion, politics, physics and the mechanical requirements of time travel but in order to engage in those types of conversations, I must apparently tell you who wins the hockey game next week (here again trying to steer the discussion into more rehearsed areas). I’m just guessing that if were to write out the ten lines for Fermat’s final proof you wouldn’t be very impressed either.

(1) Industrialized mass production does not produce the uncountable tonnage of useless consumer items so gleefully absorbed by your society. I would estimate there are about 10 units like mine (C204) and twenty larger units (C206). The main difference is the sensitivity and number of the main Cesium clocks. I would estimate that some sort of public time travel will be common around 2045.

(2) I’m not aware of any other time traveler’s “here” now. But if they are here, I’m sure they’re pouring over sports history books so they can go back in time another week and start a friendly conversation on the web.

(3) The “Mad Cow” story here is yet to begin but don’t worry, the fruited jellitine deserts are safe.

(4) I’m glad to see it’s so easy for to dismiss the Middle East. Yes, I suppose it is a no brainer but pretty soon it will be a “no arrmer” and a “no legger”.

Ethics is an excellent topic of discussion and I hope we can move past a collective insistence of applying everything to this frame of reference.

1. A time travel machine is not "useless" so comparing them to useless products is ridiculous.
2. We'll get to later
3. As stated people have been harping about Mad Cow since the middle of the 20th century. Tell us oh Titor....when will it be a real story??
4. No one was dismissing it. It's just well known the middle east has been in a constant state of war for decades. We'll get back to this later as well...

i especially like how he says nothing happens in 2012. i was always of the belief that something big happens then because of the mayan clanders ending, and he says nothing happens.

it was recently discovered that our solar system is not part of the milky way, you can read about it more here. it gives a very good explanation to the 2012 question. i.e. the star used to track will no longer be in view.

Originally posted by Glyph_D
i seriously dont think you get the process for scientific developement. einstien laid down the ground work for the "breakthrough" to develope the atomic bomb before anyone considered useing it as a weapon.

I understand it perfectly. This doesn't change anything. As I said, Titor was WRONG. 7 years later and it's not even online yet.
There was no breakthrough (and Titor said what they would discover).

titor never goes into detail(thank god) what takes place with his grandfather. however his mission was to retreive the comp. he wouldnt have to convince anyone about anything to get that.

1. The 5110 wasn't even in the plans yet so he would have to do a TON of convincing for them to give him something that doesn't exsist
2. The 5100 JUST came out. JUST came out. Titor would have to do a TON of convincing to get anyone to just get rid of one (I'm positive Titor didn't have 1975 money to buy one )

how on earth you piece it together like that? thats not what that would mean by "going by that".

If there are multiple worldlines and if the same events happen on those multiple worldlines, then the Titors from those worldlines would all end up back here around the same time.

inaccurate, there are over 6 billion people on this planet all haveing the same degree of influence. there will be a rip becuase of the traveller but its not cataclysmic as you suggest(if titor kept a low profile)

I'm going by what Titor stated (the longer he's here, the larger the divergence)
What are you basing your statement on?

if you have at least one choice for every timeline, yes by numbers youd have infinite choices. however from a perspective of accessibility(options), one person CANNOT exist in multiple timelines. therefore they cannot benefit from the infinite choices, they are restricted to a limited number.

What?
Titor stated that he visited his younger self. Which would be on this worldline. He's from a different one.

Also we're talking about time travel. Whether going backward or forward there are an infinite number of possibilities of where you will find yourself. Assuming you can control time travel that would mean there are an infinite amount of choices.

remember dice?if i had infinite dice id have infinite choices, but i dont so i get the shaft.

Who says you don't? You obviously do because no matter where you go you're on a different worldline.

again you assume hes a hoax, maybe he just wanted to talk on the net, like he claimed:/

Yes assuming he's a hoax as by far the most logical conclusion Now if you're going to perpetrate a hoax, where would you go?

*theoretically BH exist right in your front lawn, your bathroom, your food. the stories youve been told about BH are theoretical. i know you dont want titor science, but adding an electrical charge to a field does change its behavior(read: HAARP). does that apply to BH aswell? id assume so(but i dont like to assume)

Noting in this statement is correct or make sense. Please clarify what in the world you're talking about.

a cardboard box? sh*t man get a clue. technology starts cheap and basic then they start the upgrades

We're talking about something that holds two BHs which would weigh TONS.

they "replaced" the govt, the rest is speculation

The rest is common sense and reality.

clearly your definition of radical changes is different than what this device was to detect:/

What?
By ANY definition of radical change you would get the same result.

the war in ME is why petro will be scarce, and/or to expensive for the populace to manage.

Most of our oil comes from in house...
Then Canada...

fortunately-H cars are not that difficult to develop, and with the knowledge of H extraction from water the possibilities are bright. H is cleaner and easier to use than petroGAS, however its dangerous in foolish hands(which is to me the real reason for its poor backing)

In a normal world, we're not talking about that.

your right he doesnt "know" our future but he does see whats coming becuase its not to different than what was in his timeline.

think of it like this> before titor came we had a 100% chance of getting a civilwar, now that he has came and went that percentage dropped. [according to him the percentage is still to high to advert his future]

Nonsense. This was never is timeline. Where do you get we had a 100% chance of a civil war????
This worldline could have had a 0% chance before Titor came. There's no way Titor would have or could have known.

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
I understand it perfectly. This doesn't change anything. As I said, Titor was WRONG. 7 years later and it's not even online yet.
There was no breakthrough (and Titor said what they would discover).

What? the breakthrough of what ever technology FIRST comes in the form of a thesis/paperwork, or by pure luck. the LHC(and its useage) is designed to meet those specifications of that breakthrough.

If there are multiple worldlines and if the same events happen on those multiple worldlines, then the Titors from those worldlines would all end up back here around the same time.

you lost me at "would all end up back here around the same time", care to give details?

Titor stated that he visited his younger self. Which would be on this worldline. He's from a different one.

wrong titor is from this timeline prior to 1975, both his and our timeline was one. our timeline is a tampered version of his. we are the different one. his timeline is our Alpha, we are Beta(generally speaking).

Also we're talking about time travel. Whether going backward or forward there are an infinite number of possibilities of where you will find yourself. Assuming you can control time travel that would mean there are an infinite amount of choices.

ok now we are getting somwhere with your thought process. you have just now altered the context of possibilities.

titor used possiblities as a mean to describe the varied differences from one timeline to another.

you are using the term to define many points of time on a single timeline. through this interpretation you do have infinite choices, you could choose 1975, 1945, 0001, ect.

however using titors usage, you CAN NOT choose what timeline you go to(its a fixed outcome). its a time device not a dimension device. if i start on timelineA, i will only reach an altered form of timelineA. no exceptions = no choice, other than "to go" or "not to go".

if the timeline talk confuses you ill reword this. the reality you breath in is one possibility of infinite possibilities, if you use a time device you can only effect the reality of which you are from. you can not reach "the other side" so to speak, you can manipulate the current events till your head explodes but youll never create a new world. so in essence through timetravel you can only experience a maximum of 50% of the cosmos.

if that got you confused ill simplify. YIN/YANG, you are from yang, when you use timetravel you can alter your "yang" reality(endlessly). you can never reach "yin" through timetravel becuase you are yang. its exclusive.

*i know the above has very little to do with titor but im most certain youll need this info for future conversations.

Who says you don't? You obviously do because no matter where you go you're on a different worldline.

different by definition, not all timelines are distinctly different.(regardless this is a non-issue)

Yes assuming he's a hoax as by far the most logical conclusion Now if you're going to perpetrate a hoax, where would you go?

if you were legit where would you go? id go to the people who "claim" they have an open mind.

We're talking about something that holds two BHs which would weigh TONS.

again with this sh*t, ever time i hear someone say this stupid, it makes my head explode:/

plz explain why a BH would weigh tons? before you mind starts racing for an explanation, consider that a BH is the strongest(theoretically) gravity force in the universe. and also consider that gravity is a oneway street "the strong dictate the weak" (always), how would a BH succumb to the Gforce of tiny old earth?

the weight is of the equipment not the BH's

Nonsense. This was never is timeline. Where do you get we had a 100% chance of a civil war????
This worldline could have had a 0% chance before Titor came. There's no way Titor would have or could have known.

a 0% chance is IMPOSSIBLE, why you might ask? becuase of the explaination i gave you in this post earlier. this timeline is connect with titors through events. before he intersected 1975 this timeline was his and yours. if titor is legit we "had"(prior to 1975) a 100% chance of all this claimed by titor.

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
Anyway. Roth, was that some sort of preemptive strike?

Hmm.. interesting you perceive it as one.. (smile).. you may perceive it as disarmament by an air strike…. have you ever played cards Thatsjustweird?... you always have to pay attention to the player and his actions.. So when “pokerface” bets and raises.. I have the opportunity to “win” in different ways. I always like to set the stage first.. before I collect with that precious last minor trump card.... Interesting story around these “faxes” don’t you think?.. Be careful.. I might be purposely provoking you too, who knows….

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
1. Why would you believe anything Pamela or Darby has to say? You think they're sincere? lol Well, maybe Darby. But Pamela.....well, perhaps we'll get into that a little later

….and the tension is building….drum roll and sufficiently waiting..

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
Nice that you posted that interview. We'll get to Larry and Titor's "mom" later (they got sloppy there - yes "they").

Oh yes.. they didn’t get “sloppy”…..you know…..Titor was indeed with his mother since 1998.. remember.. “you always have to pay attention to the player and his actions”.. (smile)..

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
Alright now for Titor's posts....
This is mainly for show for now. I'll comment on a few stuff. But not alot now....

Allright pokerface.. let’s continue..

First, you are splitting straws here. I know you are seeking to provoke a destructive discussion with the mere motivation to squelch, but really, this is getting ridiculous. However, I will go over your comments one by one.. I’ll just need to find some time for that, so be patient.. and please keep it organized.

Second, please try to keep it factual and to the point.
Just present your ideas of what you think proves Titor and/or his comments wrong.

Very bad examples to do that are comments such as: (in fact, "time" is a human invention) (see glyph ) (also may be important) (HOW) (I liked that show!) (These couple of lines are huge) (excuse me!? You're from this time period too buddy!) (like what!?) etc.

I suspect we both like a beautiful “Grande Finale” right? Please don’t turn it into a “Babel’s Tower”…. take your time, be specific and present your information in smaller sections so everyone reading this thread can enjoy the show…. First a Crescendo.. then an Accelerando and then a Sforzando..

And later we will discuss Titor’s foreknowledge of the “Project for the New American Century” and the rise of Russia in this year. It will become all the more clearer in 2008.. especially after the next Presidential election. Right.

For now keep in mind: what do you do when you are a time traveler on a very long lonely mission and you start to feel very lonely and perhaps bored as well? Perhaps you get a little drunk and start an msn conversation as well….. Okay. Ready to play the next card….

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
TimeTravel_0 : Not my house. Im just visiting.
G° : tonight? or longer term than that?
TimeTravel_0 : I've been here for about 3 months.
(3 months eh? This was in October. So he's been there since July. This could be important later on )

Aah… yes.. As said before, Titor was with his mother since 1998. Titor’s online message reads: (How long have you been on our worldline?) “That I must keep to myself right now.” So it is clear that Titor did not want that information to be concealed until he left this “worldline.” So he gives a little white lie on the msn conversation.. (3 months).. very understandable..

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
TimeTravel_0 : Yes...in fact the major breakthrough happens at CERN inabout a year.
(Wrong!)

Was he? Really? Remember he said: “They will accidently create microsingularities” The trick is to DETECT a microsingularity. It simply evaporates.. doesn’t it? So it remains undetected for a while.. It is also important to make a distinction (as cleverly written by Titor) between microsingularities the size of an electron and microsingularities a fraction of the size of an electron! It’s also important to make a distinction between “high energy experiments” and “very high experiments”.. with other words.. the difference between the CERN-SPS Collider and the [future] CERN-LHC Collider…….

So the right question here is: are there already.. accidentally.. microsingularities the size of an electron.. created at the CERN-SPS Collider?
According to Titor.. Yes! Somewhere in 2002/2003. Evaporating very, very quickly. Is this possible? Yes, according to Tipler it is. Analyzing the effect of Hawking’s radiation in 1980 he found that an evaporating black hole [even] initially a solar mass in size must disappear in less than a second. So it’s very plausible we already have created microsingularieties of bigger size, but just haven’t detected them with the present technology.
Furthermore, Tipler’s conclusion was that: “either the evaporation process, if it occurs at all, must be quite different from what is commonly supposed, or else.. black-hole event horizons—and hence black holes—do not exist.”..
Little did Tipler know that Hawking would revise his theory in 2004! 3 years after Titor left this “worldline” to confirm that Hawking’s black holes would be more like Tipler’s black holes after all!

Hawking’s revised (2004!) theory: his NEW black holes are not as greedy as he thought…. Yes.. they still emit radiation but NOT without eventually opening themselves up to reveal the information within!... they “do not have a well-defined event horizon that hides everything within them from the outside world”.. According to Tipler (2000).. “since there are no event horizons, information eventually escapes from the black holes.”..

Hence, Titor’s excitement to inform Tipler about it in 2001!

So, according to Titor, CERN MUST have already created microsingularities (2002/2003) “accidentally”.. with other words.. unknowingly.. only to detect them later.. Will there indeed detectedmicrosingularities a fraction of the size of an electron be created at the [“big machine”] CERN-LHC Collider?
According to Titor.. Yes! The specific “breakthrough that will allow for this technology will occur within a year or so when CERN brings their larger facility online.”.. meaning that within a year AFTER the LHC will be brought online… they will discover them!

So what Titor is actually saying here is that CERN already created them but couldn’t detect them until the LHC comes online… and it will! The “very high” power of the LHC will even create them a “fraction of the size of an electron”…… AND…. the passion of science, determined to proceed to grow in years, will make the “emitted energy” detectable as well…..

It’s Titor playing with words here… but with the use of a little discernment….. you’ll get the message…..
Another interesting observation is that the “generalized uncertainty principle” motivated by string theory.. “suggests significant modifications to the Hawking temperature and evaporation process of black holes”.. with other words... the number of particles produced in Hawking evaporation (radiation) decreases substantially…. Surely, that’s why Titor said: “For those asking how come a microsingularity doesn't swallow the Earth or want to know details about the size, stability, mass, temperature and resulting Hawking radiation from such a thing, those details I must keep to myself.”

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
TimeTravel_0 : Yes. High speed proton acceleration.
G° : that about sums an incredibly complex bit of kit in onesentence... but yes
TimeTravel_0 : Ill be happy to go into detail but most people regret it.
(Good tactic here of trying to lead the discussion away from the topic. Why? Probably because his buddies aren't around to answer those types of questions for him)

Not factual, just a silly assumption. Get to the point. Explain in one well-organized answer why you think this proves Titor had “buddies” that weren’t around that time.

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
TimeTravel_0 : The information has been out for quite a while.
(As I've stated before. Nothing Titor is saying is new or couldn't readily be looked up in a quick internet search)

Not factual and irrelevant. Titor specifically mentioned the information “has been around on a large scale since 1970 and the technical breakthroughs are happening on your worldline right now.” So, what’s the problem?

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
TimeTravel_0 : its a black hole about the size of an electron.
(lol, we'll get to this later I guess. SHP has already posted info on this however so please feel free to look it up now if you want.)

This is just a little error in detailed prescription, as happens so many times in msn conversations. Titor specifically said in his online messages: “a fraction of the size of an electron.” And his comment: “A singularity about the size of an electron would only require the mass of a large mountain. The singularities inside the C204 are much small[er] than that.”

So we have a “distortion unit” here, weighing around 500 pounds…. that must be roughly a 100 pounds for the entire machine containing 2 spinning and charged micro-singularities massing around 200 pounds each to distort gravity and time around them…..

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
TimeTravel_0 : Being from 2036...Im not as ignorant as my colonial countrymen.
(excuse me!? You're from this time period too buddy!)

Please, get to the point.. if you believe he is not from 2036, explain why in one well-organized answer.

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
TimeTravel_0 : Im here because of a promise to my grandfather in 1975.
(Which means what? When he went back to 1975, he had to convince this man he was his grandson. Then he came to here and had to convince his parents he was their son. He must have had some INCREDIBLE evidence. Why didn't he show us this evidence!?)

Incorrect statement and assumption. The promise that Titor made to his Grandfather in 1975 was to try to prepare his family for the future. Why should he show you or anyone else evidence of something very personal? The fact he didn’t only gives more credit to his story.

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
TimeTravel_0 : I appreciate that but I also know Im more entertaining than anything else.
(Giving us a clue here, lol)

Again, please get to the point. Why do you think this proves Titor was not from 2036?

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
G° : the truly mad wouldn't realise they were ... excentric?
TimeTravel_0 : You are more right than you know.
(...and here)

And again, please get to the point. Your answer doesn’t make any sense.

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
TimeTravel_0 : A good car for 1975.
TimeTravel_0 : The distortion machine is in a 4 wheel drive now.
G° : how come from then? was it kept in good condition til 2036?
(I've asked this same thing. He doesn't answer him)

Why should he?

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
TimeTravel_0 : I was sent back to 1975 to get a computer.
TimeTravel_0 : Its an IBM model 5110.
(5110 you say? Funny because the 5110 wasn't even announced until 1978)

No big deal. Very understandable he mentions the 5100 and 5110 in the same breath as they both were apparently on his mind, knowing they both were portable and had the same features. Bottom-line, Titor was very specific about his objective in 1975. It not only involved getting the IBM 5100. Please stop the hair-splitting tjw. It derails the discussion… but you won’t be bothered about that, I know..

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
TimeTravel_0 : the 5110 is able to read the old IBM mainframe code.
TimeTravel_0 : Its the first protable computer produced by IBM.
TimeTravel_0 : Actually its about the size of a small table.
TimeTravel_0 : We need on in 2036.
(one "5110" will fix all the computers in the world in 2036. Horray! Also, he never really explains what the computer would do. There are multiple ways of dealing with the Y2K38 problem, which are being implemented now. No one's using old computers to solve this problem as that would make absolutely no sense.)

This is another “worldline” remember? So Titor decided to do a little experiment. It goes like this: online he presents info about the 2038 UNIX bug and wants to know if someone finds out if the UNIX bug poses no real threat to our “worldline” any more..

He said, “I also haven’t heard anyone take me up on my “information experiment” on the IBM 5100 or check out the information I’ve given you about the UNIX failure in 2038. With all due respect… I find it hard to take some of you seriously”

The reason for this would be the “hooks” to do other things.. written in the “360 emulator” language in the ROM of the IBM 5100. It was only after Titor had left this “worldline” that Bob Dubke, the second engineer of the IBM 5100 team in Rochester, disclosed that fact: “One hook that was never documented for external IBM users was one for launching programs, written in the System 360 machine language, from APL. I personally used this hook for manipulating large arrays because it was faster and reduced memory requirements. APL has a habit of creating multiple copies of a variable while manipulating it.”

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
G° : so have you tried changing the past yet? or have you found that everything you do..
G° : has already been done?
TimeTravel_0 : Hmmm...physics.
TimeTravel_0 : Actually... world lines are not fixed.
TimeTravel_0 : They are all different.
TimeTravel_0 : There is no one "time".
(in fact, "time" is a human invention)

Yes, I know and you know and apparently Titor knows too! All is motion, not too many others realize though…. So how is this proving or disproving anything?

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
TimeTravel_0 : In fact..I've noticed samll changes.
G° : I mean you upstairs asleep wouldn't have known if you now was
downstairs
G° : you have? thats what i was getting it
TimeTravel_0 : No...he knows me.
TimeTravel_0 : Yes...small changes.
G° : care to give an example?
TimeTravel_0 : Sure...
TimeTravel_0 : Football....(sorry) games that were lost that should have been won.
TimeTravel_0 : Incidental news stories that havent happened.
TimeTravel_0 : Books not written.
TimeTravel_0 : Small stuff like that.
(I don't know about you but I'm a huge -American- football fan and I don't even remember scores from last year! Yet he remembers scores from when he was 2? I don't think so. And what books are you reading at two beside See Spot Run?)

Wow. Here’s a “misunderstanding.” Titor never used the word “remember”.. Read the underlined sentence above. It reads very clearly: “I've noticed small [small] changes” Can you not read tjw? And since one of the areas of his expertise is in history it is not so strange at all he notices these changes. Ofcourse you will say he made that up to fit his story….

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
G° : wow. surely that can't be anything to do with you?
TimeTravel_0 : No.
TimeTravel_0 : By definition, this world line is not the same as mine.
(Exactly!)

Exactly! But as Titor also stated: “Some things that are quite different on one worldline have very little effect as time passes and the worldlines appear to "converge" again and look very similar.”

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
G° : so how come do you think?
TimeTravel_0 : Physics.
TimeTravel_0 : Have you ever been in a room that has mirrors on all the walls?
G° : you with the infinate worlds with infinate possibilities theory then?
TimeTravel_0 : Yes!!!
(see glyph )

So, where are the arguments? Any?

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
TimeTravel_0 : Multipole world theory is correct.
G° : like sliders
TimeTravel_0 : Sliders?
G° : tv show
(I liked that show!)

Yep, this really must prove Titor was not a time traveller..

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
G° : before your time... LOL
TimeTravel_0 : Hmmm...havent seent hat one.
G° : hmmm. I must admit, that theory has always bothered me
TimeTravel_0 : Have you heard of Schrodinger's cat?
(en.wikipedia.org...)

Aah.. I see where you want to go with this one… it’s the “thinking outside of the box” remark in the Art Bell faxes.. funny.. like I said before.. I would be very interested to listen to that particular Art Bell show where he purportedly read them out on air….. but thanks for the link.

John Titor: “If the cat had a distortion machine (time) he may not be in the box at all.”

Apparently Titor tried to educate someone here.. in the same style as with his “2038 UNIX bug” experiment…..

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
G° : so. what can we do for you tonight TT? How come your here?
TimeTravel_0 : I enjoy the "paranormal" chat rooms for 2 reasons.
TimeTravel_0 : 1. I find the people here are more open to ideas.
TimeTravel_0 : 2. I find it ironic that when what they are looking forfalls in their lap, they can't believe it.
(These couple of lines are huge)

Lol. Glyph_D, I think he is suggesting Titor used a story board.. or he will likely suggest his “buddy” typed it. Well.. this could get very entertaining after all…

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
TimeTravel_0 : The singularities distort gravity.
TimeTravel_0 : Ill be happy to go through the physics. The basics are already known.
wyrmkin_37 : please........proceed
Yareisa : please do
TimeTravel_0 : Ok
TimeTravel_0 : In 1967, a physist named Tipler came up with the basic equations for time travel based on massive rotating cylinders...ever heard of him?
(he's talking about Frank Tipler and I guess he's talking about this [ur]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tipler_Cylinder[/url])

He probably might. Nothing shocking. As Titor said: “Perhaps it would have been clearer to state that the math has been around since 1970. I would urge you to examine the properties of Kerr black holes and Tipler cylinders.”

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
wyrmkin_37 : gravitation
TimeTravel_0 : The effect is magnified greatly in a black hole.
TimeTravel_0 : As it turns out...
TimeTravel_0 : If you encounter a black hole that is spinning and has an electrified field, you will not be killed passing through its massive gravitational fiuelds.
(and how exactly did they test this? lol. "You go first" "No you go" "No you go" Anyway, I'd really like to see ANY evidence supporting this or an explanation on how. Definately more on black holes later)

Perhaps they used apple’s, monkey’s, mice, robots, for what I know…. One thing I know for sure… they didn’t use cars! Neither humans. With the use of a little bit of common sense, I am convinced you’ll get there..

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
G° : is this the omeg point theory?
G° : omega?
TimeTravel_0 : CERN will discover some very odd things as a result oftheir high energy experiments.
(like what!?)

Are you asking this question to me? What are you thinking? Please stay focused on topic and give your argument as to why you think this undoubtedly proves that Titor is not a time traveller.

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
TimeTravel_0 : They will accidently create microsingularities.
G° : makes things go round and hit each other...
TimeTravel_0 : Which will evaporate very quickly.
(which is good if you want the earth to survive, lol)

Exactly! ???? Yeah, I got you now “Boomer” this undoubtedly proves you are not a time traveller…. (laugh)… Come on now tjw, he might as well have said that Hawking changed his mind about black holes in 2004 and you still would have suggested he made that up to fit his story….

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
TimeTravel_0 : If you bombard a singularity with electrons...
TimeTravel_0 : you can alter the size of its event horizon.
TimeTravel_0 : and thus its gravitational field.
TimeTravel_0 : By overlapping these fileds from two singularities...
TimeTravel_0 : you can travel forward and backward through time.
(HOW)

Please stay focused on topic and give your argument as to why you think this undoubtedly proves that Titor is not a time traveller. If this is perhaps a hint that going “back and forward” creates a new “worldline” everytime… remember this: “worldlines appear to "converge" again and look very similar.”…

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
G° : didn't tipler say there was no event horizon?
TimeTravel_0 : No..he said it was possible to approach a massive gravitationl field from certain angles and not get squished.
G° : oh, sorry
wyrmkin_37 : lol
TimeTravel_0 : Actually...Im not really a physisit.
G° : but you know all about this stuff... is that why you were picked?
(Titor's statement and the above question - important later)

G° was referring to Tipler’s “Omega Point Theory”..
When Titor replied to G° ((having Kerr (rotation+electric charge+event horizon), Hawking (evaporation+radiation+ 2004: information escapes!) and Tipler (rotation+no event horizon+information escapes!)) type black holes in mind)…… he simply explains the idea of Tipler’s Cylinder in different fashion.

Online Titor states: “Certain types of black holes also exhibit the "time travel" abilities of Tipler cylinders. Kerr was one of the first to describe the dual event horizons of a rotating black hole. As with Tipler's cylinders, it was possible to travel on a "time-like" trip through a Kerr black hole and end up in a different worldline without being squished by the gravity of the singularity.”

Nothing incorrect here.

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
TimeTravel_0 : Hmmm....you drive a car and know how to change the oildon;t you?
TimeTravel_0 : I am based in Tampa Fl.
G° : actually, only just.. LOL
wyrmkin_37 : chas, afb
TimeTravel_0 : McDill
(also may be important)

Lol. Yes, it might be…. If you like air force bases…

Well, here we are, so far.. absolutely nothing against Titor. I only hope (I should say pray) that you will organize your next posts into smaller sections and issue by issue supplied with well-sorted arguments. But I won’t build my hopes too high….

I will go over your other posts later…..

I do want to go over some of the stuff you all wrote Glyph and Roth, because there are extremely glaring mistakes for now I'll just say:
1. What part of the LHC isn't even online yet, is so difficuilt to understand? Titor was VERY clear in his statements. He was also VERY wrong. You know what happened a year later from Titor's comment? NOTHING. You know what happened now almost 7 years later from Titor's comment? STILL NOTHING. Talk is cheap. If you have proof something magically happened without the thing being online yet then PLEASE by all means present it.

2. Roth you are an extremely interesting character and WILL definitately be discussed later. Hilarious

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back to the posts....

Posted by Vanessa Bunn on 01-31-2001 03:41 PM


John Titor,

A serious reply please. When you determine the time to which you want to travel do you "dial in" the date to which you want to go, can you "jump" to a new date, say in 1000 year increments. Can you "sample" the time period by stopping only for a few moments before continueing your trip and can you take passengers with you????? please answer honestly.


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Posted by John Titor on 01-31-2001 07:13 PM


The distortion unit reaches its target destination by using very sensitive gravity sensors and atomic clocks. The basic unit of calculation is the second. So yes, in a sense you do “dial in” in a date and the computer system controls the distortion field. At maximum power, the unit I have is capable of traveling about 10 years an hour.

Unfortunately, time travel is not an exact science. There is inherent error and chaos in the computers ability to make accurate calculations. Based on the current technology of the clocks and sensors, distortion units are only accurate to about 60 years or so. So no, in 2036, we are unable to travel back 1000 years due to the error rate in the system. The divergence between the worldline of origin and the target worldline would be too great. If one were to try and travel back that far, history would look nothing like what you would expect.

The unit has mass limits but the 204 is capable of transporting about three people and equipment. I don’t think you would like 2036 very much.

1. I wish I knew about that board at the time. Titor never truely explains how you control time travel and people don't ask him
Time travel is one thing, human time travel is another thing, actually controlling time travel is yet another thing.
2. Time travel would HAVE to be an exact science. Bad choice of words.
3. "The divergence between the worldline of origin and the target worldline would be too great."
Target worldline? hmmm....So apparently you CAN choose which worldline you want to go to, right Glyph? lol

"If one were to try and travel back that far, history would look nothing like what you would expect."
How can this be if that's OUR worldline glyph?
4. "I don’t think you would like 2036 very much."
Trying to discourage people from asking to come.

He answers a couple of people next, I'll break up the post of clarity.

Posted by Charles Moltrup on 01-31-2001 09:02 PM

Why would you want a IBM 5100 I can find them at auctions for next to nothing, i think they were the first 286 CPU's.
Why didn't you stop in this year first and by one.Well I have a good question for you in 2036 do you still use toliet paper to wipe your ass.

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Posted by John Titor on 02-01-2001 08:36 AM


The 5100 had a very simple and unique feature that IBM did not account for and decided it was not in their best interest to advertise (which in hindsight was not very smart). This accidental feature was thus removed from any future desktop computers. In order to take advantage of this feature, the 5100 I have now required a couple of special “tweaks” that had to be done by one of the software engineers in 1975. Anyone who is familiar with this feature and was told to keep their mouth shut about it will be able to tell you what it is.

Yes we still have toilet tissue and some people still suffer from extreme anal fixation.

I have noticed and gotten used to the act of verbal conflict as a cathartic entertainment. I don’t totally understand it but I take no offense by it either. Perhaps we could just arm wrestle some day and still be able to have a pleasant conversation.

Hmmm...he says in the chats what it's supposed to do but not here. Why?
"the 5110 is able to read the old IBM mainframe code."
He never explains how this will fix the problem.....and that's a problem.

2nd part

Posted by Kevin Spooner on 02-01-2001 04:58 AM


I'm pleased to see certain persons take little offence and in fact upon re-reading my posts recently I have noticed they don't read as intended - I am for the record pleasant but usually quiet company! Sorry if I upset you (I hope not.)Dear God... please hurry up and make these computers write not what is typed... but what is meant.... hmm.

I have a natural inquisitive mind and enjoy and technical challenges. I am also a Spiritualist and to that end enjoy both spirit and mind... which is why I for one am naturally curious about the future, time travel, parallel universes, and spiritual matters. I believe that most people visiting this site do so for a mixture of reasons - including the DESIRE to know.

You mentioned previously the year 2008 - what's significant given your observed 2.5% difference between this time line and your own?

You mentioned a certain model (204) travel unit - what is the source of power and what type of 'engine' is used?

If as you claimed, most of the requisite information has been around since 1970's - and yet time travel is not public until ? 2045... why is it that a time traveller can not divulge design information that would demonstrate its reality. Are there missing common elements/materials yet to be discovered or engineered?



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Posted by John Titor on 02-01-2001 08:36 AM

The year 2008 was a general date by which time everyone will realize the world they thought they were living in was over. The civil war in the United States will start in 2004. I would describe it as having a Waco type event every month that steadily gets worse. The conflict will consume everyone in the US by 2012 and end in 2015 with a very short WWIII.

The source of power for the C204 that allows it to distort and manipulate gravity comes from two microsingularities that were created, captured and cleaned at a much larger and “circular” facility. The dual event horizons of each one and their mass is manipulated by injecting electrons onto the surface of their respective ergospheres. The electricity comes from batteries. The breakthrough that will allow for this technology will occur within a year or so when CERN brings their larger facility online.

Perhaps it would have been clearer to state that the math has been around since 1970. I would urge you to examine the properties of Kerr black holes and Tipler cylinders. An actual working prototype was first tested in 2034. On my worldline, time travel is not a public recreation but we are all aware that it exists. You may be disappointed to know that the ability to manipulate gravity is not the technical challenge that had to be overcome. Miniaturizing the clocks and sensors, creating clever ways to vent x-rays and creating a computer system dependable enough to calculate the changes required to the field were the main challenges. There are no missing pieces…just missing energy levels and a few very interesting subatomic particles.

Was it you Glyph that was asking about this earlier? Why he mentions 2008 first. That's why. The question was talking about 2008. Titor then (as he hasn't done it before in this thread) explains how the events unfold.


There he goes again with CERN. Didn't happen. Still hasn't happened.


The missing energy levels is right. The energy required to sustain two black holes that are powerful enough to send objects, including humans, through time does not exist on earth.........nor should it.
Go find a wormhole or something and go through it or find a way to travel at the speed of light

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Posted by Mel Reckling on 02-01-2001 10:42 AM

JOHN,

I always thought a good question to ask a time traveler
would be: When is the next triple crown won in horse racing and what is that horse's name. Those events are few and far between and generally remembered. They should stand out in most people's minds. This could be a good little test. A winner of some obscure 10k race in Utah nobody would remember, but Derby winners and especially Triple Crown winners hold international prominence.

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Posted by John Titor on 02-01-2001 11:28 AM


Unfortunatly, winners of historical sports betting events are not high on the priority list of people in 2036. As a thought experiemnt, If I did tell you who the winning horse was and you killed it before the final race, would that make me a liar or would it support my statement that our worldlines are about 2% different? Do you know who won that race 30 years ago?

It'd make you a liar.
Killing it would make it at least 50% different as that horse is no longer on this worldline but still on his. Huge difference between dead and alive. Someone else winning the race would be more 2%ish.
He asks do you know who won that race 30 years ago like that's something he wouldn't remember. Yet earlier he states that he notices different sports scores, etc.

Posted by Matt Hagemeier on 02-01-2001 11:55 AM


John. a fee questions: what is the political climate like in the U.S in your current timeline? I mean, what form of government is there?



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Posted by Charles Moltrup on 02-01-2001 12:04 PM



Sorry about the flip question you do know your computers but still why didn't you buy a CRAY computer second hand they are much more reliable.Have a nice flight BACK TO THE FUTURE


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Posted by Grant Nelson on 02-01-2001 07:21 PM


John, you are right about the significance of the 5100 so I tend to believe most of what you say about the near future will also come to pass in my personal time line.

I propose a little experiment.

I will come look you up if I happen to be in Florida in 2036 and we can talk computers or go fishing.

PS Next time somebody asks which team won a particular game just tell 'em it was the one that scored the most points.

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Posted by John Titor on 02-02-2001 06:34 AM


If you could change one thing about your government right now, what would it be?

The United States is still a representative republic in 2036 but it was touch and go for a while. After the war, the U.S. had divided into 5 general areas based on their economic and defensive strengths. Many people blamed the government organization for the war and the last Constitutional Congress was held in 2020 to officially scrap the Constitution and start over. Fortunately, this exercise in anger pointed out how hard it was to come up with anything better. It was decided the document wasn’t at fault. As a result, there have been a few small changes to the Constitution and the executive branch but you would easily recognize it. The average citizen is more educated about the Constitution and aware of the rights and responsibilities it gives them. Federal power has been decentralized and the focus of daily politics is in the state senates. Federal law has also been streamlined but much harder to change or make additions to.

The people who sign my paycheck told me why we needed a 5100 and sent me off to get one. I was not in a position to make alternate suggestions. As I recall, isn’t the Cray a rather large system? We need something portable. The 5100 isn’t required for its reliability, its needed to translate between APL, UNIX and a few obscure IBM mainframe languages.

The fishing is great and you’re more than welcome to join us but the “me” here is only three. I’ll have to tell him your coming.

First part - talking about our government. A "few small changes?" Please. With the way he's describing everything, there are HUGE changes. Federal power decentralized? The Constitution was created TO centralize after the failure of the AOC. If the government with the AOC didn't work then, there's no way a similar government would work now with the world so connecte nowadays.
Federal law harder to change or make additions to?? NO! You WANT Federal law to be flexible as times do change. The Civil Rights era was a clear example of this. As was the Vietnam era. You think Iraq is bad now, imagine if we still had a draft with 10s of thousands of people being forced into war.

Second part - still doesn't explain how this would fix the problem.

Breaking up the next post...

Posted by James R.Quayle III on 02-02-2001 06:49 AM

Greetings TT Titor,I have not been on this site in a long while,I am acquantinces with Al Bielek,and I have been in close quarters with beings not human and not from this place or time.The Humans who talk with you on this post have not asked you yet how you feel about your travels?How has it effected you emotionally,Do you age ?Does the hair grow on your face faster,do your nails grow quicker,Does the air taste different in different time periods?How is the food in the future,Have you tried to eat things not found in your time?Do you know me in the future?I plan on living 120 years,so i am sure going to look for you later 35 years from now i will be 66,I was born in 1970.I have met a few other TT people(TimeTravel),I did not ask them about lotteries or sh1t like that(How petty)I like my time,but i see Traveling into Another Time and Space as too much for most humans,to think on different levels,to not lose oneself,to not fall in love or like with peoples from different times.That must be the hardest,to not be able to connect with others that would be traumatized by the info given by a TT person.Wether your from here nor there matters not, thanks for helping the ones from this Time think of what they are and where they may be heading.Agentq3 Blessed Be in your travels!

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Posted by John Titor on 02-02-2001 10:09 AM


Yes, I age and my hair and nails grow at normal rates. Please keep in mind that gravity distortion does involve some dilation effects but “jumping” between worldlines are timelike trips, not spacelike trips. The air is about the same although I do smell and taste industrial odors here my parents cannot. The food in the future is grown and raised naturally inside the community structure. This is done primarily for safety reasons. I am amazed at the risks people here are willing to take with processed food. All of the food I eat here is grown and prepared by myself or my family. Unfortunately, I do not know if we are acquainted on my worldline. Yes, love is a challenge. What’s harder is knowing you could go back and correct a mistake but at the cost of the “you” on that worldline you want to live your life over again on.

Nice to know nuclear war doesn't affect your sense of smell
He's acting like the air and food from his time is cleaner than ours.
1. 30 years is by no means far into the future
2. They've gone through a nuclear war on top of everything else! Silly Titor.