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In ancient Rome, civil wars emanated from fissures at the top as well as from demographic changes in the bottom strata of society.
As ancient Rome transitioned from a limited Republic based upon a fairly homogeneous and largely middle class population of Nordic and Celtic-descended free farmers to an imperial, stratified, multiethnic, multiracial, urbanized, plantation order, the increasing levels of centralized power, combined with greater deviation from core conservative values that accompanied the rise of greater racial and class alienation, fostered tremendous amounts of centralized corruption and intrigue. The top people became so faithless, diverse, and self-serving that they frequently despised each other enough to literally cut each other’s throats.
Originally posted by Where2Hide2006
John Titor said that his grandfather worked on computers in the 70's, and thats why he was choosen for this mission.
You have to try harder than that TJW.
The fact that this thread has nearly 200 pages, that doesn't say anything to you?
The fact that more and more people are talking about the possibility of a civil war, that doesn't tell you anything?
When titor made his original posts, only the fringe of society was thinking a civil war was possible...now its almost mainstream.
Originally posted by Roth Joint
John Titor: "None of the things I have said will be a surprise. They were set in motion ten, twenty, even thirty years ago. Are you really surprised to find out that Iraq has nukes now or is that just BS to whip everyone up into accepting the next war?"
Fact 1: This is a "prediction" of John Titor before 9/11.
You said: "1. It's not a prediction"
Yes it is
Titor "predicts" the "next war" meaning the next war in Iraq.
Titor also informed Pamela the world was capable of "changing very quickly now" just a few months before 9/11.
And so, yes indeed, apparently Titor knew this next Iraq war wouldn't be a short lasting war
Fact 2: Titor "predicted" the story of Iraq having nuclear arms was a lie.. or 'BS.'
Exactly! Very good. The US Government indeed knew that the story of Iraq having nuclear arms was entire BS!
However they have projected that BS on the American people to whip them up in accepting the next war in Iraq, as "predicted" by Titor.
"Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised." = whipping up people with BS!
"Iraq's weapons of mass destruction are controlled by a murderous tyrant who has already used chemical weapons to kill thousands of people." = whipping up people with BS!
"Saddam Hussein is a homicidal dictator who is addicted to weapons of mass destruction." = whipping up people with BS!
"The world has tried limited military strikes to destroy Iraq's weapons of mass destruction capabilities -- only to see them openly rebuilt, while the regime again denies they even exist." = whipping up people with BS!
"In addition to declaring and destroying all of its weapons of mass destruction, Iraq must end its support for terrorism." = whipping up people with BS!
"..the regime in Iraq would likely have possessed a nuclear weapon no later than 1993." = whipping up people with BS!
"The evidence indicates that Iraq is reconstituting its nuclear weapons program. Saddam Hussein has held numerous meetings with Iraqi nuclear scientists, a group he calls his "nuclear mujahideen" -- his nuclear holy warriors..it could have a nuclear weapon in less than a year." = whipping up people with BS!
"And Saddam Hussein would be in a position to pass nuclear technology to terrorists...And he is moving ever closer to developing a nuclear weapon." = whipping up people with BS!
Fact 3: Titor "predicted" the 'next war'.. the war in Iraq would initially be accepted by the 'whipped up' population.
You said: "Where? Here's a fact you missed. Context. During the time he wrote this we were bombing them on a near weekly basis and more specifically, certain documents and reports were coming out at the time Titor wrote that, that Iraq may have been trying to resurrect it's programs. That's what he was addressing."
No facts missing. You are only confirming that Titor must have known about the consequences of the Project for the New American Century (PNAC)!
Fact 4: Titor "predicted" degrading US foreign policy and consistency. (he must have known about the consequences of the Project for the New American Century (PNAC))
You said: "BS. People have been "predicting" that since WW2! Get real Roth."
Titor "predicted" degrading US foreign policy and consistency in this time period. Get real thatsjustweird.
Fact 5: "Civil unrest" develops near the second Bush term as a result of US foreign policy regarding the war in Iraq and keeps on developing in our future.
What do you mean which states saw civil unrest? Has Titor mentioned any states? We are observing civil unrest in Iraq! And yes, it developed near the second Bush term and is still developing. Get it now?
Fact 6: Because the events as described above by Titor take place starting from 2004, he knew the Iraq war would be fought before that time period. And yes, the Iraq war started March 19, 2003.
You said: "And the Iraq war is still going on TODAY. wtf are you talking about? If there was a civil war I can guarentee you there wouldn't be a troop in Iraq right now."
Exactly! It is STILL going on. Right! Thank you.
Titor knew it wouldn't be a short lasting easy war!
Logic: If Iraq indeed possessed nuclear arms the US would have invaded Iraq years ago before 2003!
What's more interesting is that you do seem to know about PNAC and their involvement in the change of events as we experience them after all! So no more "wtf" or "what are you talking about" thatsjustweird.. as it shows..you know very well what I am talking about.
Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
Don't think I've forgotten about you all.
Still trying to contact a few people....
Time to end this nonsense...
May be a shocking as realizing Santa Clause isn't real at first, but hopefully you'll get over it.
Roth...I'm not so sure about
Finding out Titor is a hoax might devestate him
Edit:
This doesn't really have to do with the hoax itself but if you're curious to know where the name "John Titor" came from, do some research about the birth of the personal computer in the early to mid '70s and look for someone with an extremely similar name. Tell me what you find
[edit on 14-6-2007 by ThatsJustWeird]
our US govt orchestrated 911 to justify the "aggressive overtake" of the Iraq and its oilfields.
our govt fears communism, and will continue to undermine it until they can start making the decisions.
i cannot believe islam is that large of an issue to be " the calling of our generation".
Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
Glyph.....what are you talking about?
You mention my name but I can't tell what you're responding to.
Where did I say anything against all that you just said??
If we wanted oil we would have invaded Canada (where the majority of our foreign oil come from).
The latest NBC/Wall Street Journal national poll results vividly show a population incredibly dissatisfied with their nation’s political system. In other countries in other times such a depressing level of confidence in government would send a signal to those running the government that a major upheaval is imminent. But not here in the USA. Why?
Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
Still trying to contact a few people....
Time to end this nonsense...
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Roth...I'm not so sure about
Finding out Titor is a hoax might devestate him
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While waiting and researching more:
Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
We would have went into Iraq whether 9/11 occured or not.
Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
Oil? Please. If we wanted oil we would have invaded Canada (where the majority of our foreign oil come from).
Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
I'll link some stuff in a bit.
Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
Roth just read over your post again. Unbelievable. You are a very amusing character Roth. Very amusing. Now most of your post can be deleted as it's your own personal views backed by nothing but the wind and/or irrelevant to the discussion....
Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
Why are you contradicting yourself? In case you haven't realized, it's AFTER 2004 now
Now this is even more supported with Titor's "prediction" the President in 2009 was interested only in keeping his/her power base!
Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
Funny how just a little bit of research can uncover so much. You should try it sometimes.
Originally posted by Glyph_D
im curious as to what "kind" of research are you referring too???
the info Roth is presenting is very useful and very relevant to this(titor) topic. seriously if you can read Roths posts and not see any connection then you sir are blind.
Now it must be stated that even tho we can show many connections does not mean titor is/was legit. HOWEVER it does mean something, and its that something i will continue to pursue.
Originally posted by Glyph_D
if you want a good place to start. do it here >>
www.johntitor.co.uk...
i would very much like to here your spin on everything titor has spoken. if only for the entertainment
good luck
Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
Roth, I've already gone over all that S*** (and I see you obviously haven't gone over my post)
You keep repeating yourself will NOT make it true. What's the saying? Keep repeating a lie and you'll begin to believe it. You're giving us a classic example right here.
Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
I believe they still have the faxes,
On the art bell faxes.
1. We were never sure if they really came from John Titor, another John titor, or
someone else.
2. Darby and I both had audios of art bell reading the faxes. I did transcribe it into written word and Darby verified I had everything acccurate. Maybe Art bell read it wrong. But it was transcribed accurately. I played it over and over to check for accuracy in my wording.
3. I did talk to Art bell on the phone. You have to add him to the list I forgot about him.
and he acted like he didnt know what I was talking about. I read it to him and he still
acted like he didnt want to talk about it. told me to send it to several of his emails of which he never did respond back.
Just a slight correction:
FAX TWO was submitted in 2001 by Titor. The two faxe were read on seperate occassions by Bell upon his return from Retirement #1 and Retirement #2.
It had been almost two years since I'd read the faxes and after I posted them…I actually re-read them (Yow!). Memory is refreshed. Fax One (1998), Fax Two (2001).
Anyway, it apparently does not exist in a pristine form, that is, as written by the author; instead, it is a transcript of the on-air show and the FAX is read by Art Bell. It is unlikely, therefore, that the grammatical error is Titor's.
This would be carping on details, except that it is a striking reference-- in retrospect, and if the actual words of Titor.
I do not remember the FAXs surfacing until the Fall of 2003, although there was a reference to them before that. The way it happened was that someone remembered a timetraveler contacting Bell, and found the transcript supposedly, and confronted the Art Bell staff about it. Bell himself didn't remember it, and there was a sense that the show and staff denied that it had happened, or that they had ever had such FAXs. Then the transcripts appeared online. These are apparently transcripts of the live show, such that Bell interposes with his own comments. A grammatical error under these circumstances appears entirely accidental.
Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
Anyway, don't worry Roth. You'll get your info.
Funny how just a little bit of research can uncover so much. You should try it sometimes. You'll see not only was Titor a hoax, but not even a very good one :
It's mind blowing he still has believers.