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Originally posted by Glyph_D
that funny this right here is an attempt to hijack the thread. you challenge me ???really
titor did not mention he was referring to the people in the civil war or the people not yet in the war.
i hate that youve hijacked this thread but i have to answer every stupid claim you make.
you stated this earlier>
As you stated you would have to have a natural disaster or series of natural disasters that affects ALL of the nation. Or have something else (or a series of something elses) occur in which the government systematically loses power and control.
i agree with this. yes somthing must happen in order for awareness to reach all of the nation. when the govt loses its power it will try to attempt to get it back, one of the weapons they WOULD use is a tazer gun. the tazer gun doesnt start the war it escalates the seriousness for a war.
you seriously dont remember why i wrote that do you?(well it was from last december)
Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
You're kidding right?
YOU just made an accusation and I asked you to back it up. If you felt this was hijacking the thread, then why would you make such an accusation that you know you can't back up?
And YES I challenge you to show me.
Originally posted by Glyph_D
Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
This is a Titor thread, throughout this thread I have focused on Titor.
i laughed so hard here i cried a bit(just a bit).
TJW you have used every trick in the book to hijack this thread into irrelevant topics, nearly every post you make detracts from the focus of titor.
TJW
ME
titor did not mention he was referring to the people in the civil war or the people not yet in the war.
This doesn't make sense.
1. This is a civil war we're talking about!! Every single person would be affected in some way as soon as it started.
2. He stated it would be on everyone's doorstep by 2008. There isn't anyone left not in the war.
The conflict will consume everyone in the US by 2012 and end in 2015 with a very short WWIII.
TJW
2. I can guarentee you a taser won't escalate a thing. This is what I'm talking about when I say you guys are being urealistic. Why don't you all just stop and THINK for a second. Don't waste your intelligence, USE IT! If we were in a civil war, people would be BEGGING to be shot by tasers instead of guns, tanks, jets, etc. This is all nonsense anyway as anyone using tasers as a weapon in a war would be killed almost immediately
.....there are new "non-lethal" weapon systems that turn out to be quite lethal.
Originally posted by Glyph_D
no im not kidding, youve done this many times now. you made a big deal about the tax fraud(when i was only refering its implications). you made an issue over the boston massacre when it was the premise i was refering.
now in your defense these are things that were mention in this thread , however you could use some self control in addressing these topics. from the start of this thread to now youve been present and nearly every post you make becomes an off topic issue that has its own thread else where. hidden with in this monstrous thread is nearly every topic this site has to offer, thanks to you.
lets not forget your little "im a time traveler ask me some questions", im not bashing you for doing these things. i said what i meant earlier, which had created this "challenge" from you in the first place.
if titor wanted you to think everyone was in the civil war by 2008 he'd have said so directly.
this is the relevance to the tazers, before you start ranting how tazers are not new. ill state this tazers are new in terms of deployment into police units.
and any form of wrongful use of force will escalate any high tension situation , including tazers.
people freak out when police stand in a straight line during riot controls, this is common knowledge(well i thought this was common knowledge).
Freak out? What are you talking about? There's a thing called mob mentality or "herd behavior" that takes over (there have been studies that have proven this over and over again). That's how riots escalate.
Name one riot in which tasers were used as crowd control. That's not feasible.
By 2008, I would say the civil conflict is pretty much at everyone's doorstep.
The conflict will consume everyone in the US by 2012.....
Originally posted by Glyph_D
this is what im talking about in regard to escalation. youve given it a nice name "herd behavior", and i see this factor playing a huge part in this civil conflict. and with the addition of nonlethals to corral the herd, it will erupt.
i did not intent to lead you to think riots would have tazers being used in them. i was just illustrating how things get out of hand.
at the time titor posted his claim about nonlethals the tazer had only 2 years(1997-99) under its belt as an issued weapon. i suggest you do research.
ok let me draw the picture you refuse to see>
im at my house; your at your house.
i then travel toward your house.
i reach your state.
i reach your town/city.
i reach your neighborhood.
i reach your house.
i walk on your lawn.
i knock on your door.
you havent had a clue i was coming, because i invited myself
you open your door and i rush you
now your involved
as for your challenge "i give up-you win". youve never once jumped off topic.
Originally posted by Terapin
TJW, No worries, The Titor proposal that micro-singularities at CERN would be the beginning of Time travel is enough to debunk those who believe with blindness. They don't even understand the LHC at Cern nor how it works.
Originally posted by Terapin
If I was you, I'd let it go. No one here will respond with anything other than "you are too sheepish to see the reality Man, The world is about to come to an end as we know it." Yet they fail to offer any intelligent evidence. They rely on Tazer zapping and ignore history. Titor clearly stated that there would be Waco type events steadily getting worse, and no one in here can point to a measly Seven of the last 39. They just dodge the issue with mumbo jumbo. Waco, Ellian Gonzales, Ruby Ridge, these were significant events. Titor mentioned them. In this thread they just say "TAZER" and think that is enough.
Thatsjustweird
Here's your chance to be clear. You said -
"I have meet the Davidians, your making the wrong assumptions and that (assume) could be a dangerous thing."
Were you talking about the Davidians when you said this? Simple yes or no question.
If yes - then tell me what I'm wrongly assuming
If no - why would you switch topics in the middle of a sentence like that?
quote: It's your "arrogant claims" about ALL "relevant" matters in this thread, your judgement is clouded by superior powers, but you haven't a clue about it.
Thatsjustweird
1. Why did you quote those words? You never used them before.
2. What are you basing this on? Here YOU'RE assuming my "judgement is clouded." Why? Because I don't believe in someone claiming to be a time traveler??
Get real buddy.
quote: "If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it must be a duck". Yet by contrast it's a sheep lol.... The wolves,elites or globalist (whatever they call them now days) they control you, they will feast on you eventually. Whether you believe in Titor or not, it's the message you should be focused on, once you see this, you will attain a higher state of awareness.
Thatsjustweird
If you want me to talk about any NWO or globalist so you can accurately get my thoughts on the subject then please, by all means ask me in the appropiate thread. I have absolutely no problems discussing them.
Thatsjustweird
How could you have possibly come to the conclusion that I'm being controlled by the elites in a thread discussing a time traveller? What did I say to make you think that?
Thatsjustweird
You can accuse me of denial all you want but if you don't say what I'm denying, why should I or anyone believe you?
Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
I can guarentee you that in a civil war, "nonlethals" won't be used.
at the time titor posted his claim about nonlethals the tazer had only 2 years(1997-99) under its belt as an issued weapon. i suggest you do research.
Where the ____ did you get that from?? ....... but tasers have been around and in use since the '70s.
He never once said people would not know a civil war was going on.
From the time he was here in 2000/2001 things were supposed to be building up to the start of the civil war in 2004.
The year 2008 was a general date by which time everyone will realize the world they thought they were living in was over
Why would you think that? It wouldn't be possible for a civil war in this country to go one year and not affect everyone is some way.
((Does the civil war start in such a way that with this foreknowledge those willing will have time to remove themselves to safer locations.))
Yes. You will be forced to ask yourself how many civil rights you will give up to feel safe.
Originally posted by Roth Joint
Originally posted by Terapin
They don't even understand the LHC at Cern nor how it works.
What was it again you know about the LHC
Originally posted by Glyph_D
why/how can you guarantee that??? surely not every single person during this event will warrant deadly force.
tasers have been around for a while... yes. but they were not standard issue from the get go. just becuase the LAPD used them at some specific date does not mean in any way shape or form that these devices were being used across the country. if you go back to my post i state somthing like "standard issue" this generally means that the device has been tested and passed for usage on a wide scale. do some more "useful" research plz.
true but he never stated when people became aware. unless you take the 2008 claim as that.
this is NOT what titor said. this is your interpretation of what titor said. if this is the case then why on gods green earth did titor state this?
The year 2008 was a general date by which time everyone will realize the world they thought they were living in was over
your whole understanding on titors claims are wrong. you say the underpinning of the civil conflict start before 2004. your saying that by 2004 we should have the civil war everywhere.
you also claim that its the people in the war that apply to the quote above. this does not make any sense. ill explain> you are one of the people in the civil war, every day your fighting for your life(becuase you are now 3-4 years in to the war). what happens during that war(2008) that makes your realise somthing you should have realise in 2004. clearly if everyone is in the war they would have already deduced that their world was over right? makeing the 2008 claim completely foolish and unnecessary.
NO, what the above means is that normal everyday americans(tax payers), will come to realize that THEIR world is over; that they have no more reasons to go to work, they have no more reasons to abide by the law. its over; the american dream dies in 2008.
Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
Yes, this is what I said! Now, why does that happen??
BECAUSE THEY'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF A CIVIL WAR!!!!!
Name one war in the history of the world in which non lethal weapons were used. Unless they're trying to take some high profile prisoner or something, it would be absolutely pointless and only get you killed.
Originally posted by Glyph_D
so your gonna sit there and say that no one realizes that a civil war is life altering till 2008?????? thats seem very dim witted.
name one civil conflict that has taken place in a first world country. this country need its citizens(respectively) if they start shooting every one dead they wont have an infrastructure left. and by the way if full blown killing is going on before 2008, then why the realization again ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
what the hell is there to realise????? your interpretation is faulty
Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
Your lack of understanding simple things is quite astonishing and scary Glyph.....
What I said, based on Titor's quote, is that people will realize by then that the U.S. has gone pass the point of no return.
1. Look at the conflicts in eastern Europe, Yugoslavia....Bosnia....these weren't third world countries buddy. The U.S. in it's civil war wasn't exactly a third world country.
Name one war in the history of the world in which non lethal weapons were used. Unless they're trying to take some high profile prisoner or something, it would be absolutely pointless and only get you killed.
2. To suggest any side wouldn't kill the other for need of the infastructure is ridiculous. Infastructure is the first thing that's attacked. No war ever has been fought otherwise.
Did you not see the part where I agreed with you? How is my interpretation faulty if you just said the same thing?
The year 2008 was a general date by which time everyone will realize the world they thought they were living in was over
Originally posted by XPhiles
Ah! "headache".... I don't know why I even bother lol....
You said, "By your posts it seems you don't know the full story....) " this would be a assumption on your part, as I made a short and concise statement, there's no reason for me to run through the full story, it's was a brief statement.
I wasn't really switching the topic, you must realize your making ill-considered assumptions based on false opinions of the government and your false assumptions about me. Its just a short evaluation, and a dangerous thing (assume) when you can't see the full picture.
2. clouded by superior powers = Elite, NWO, Global Overlords, Evil Tyrants, the Pied Pipers of Propaganda and whatever else. I could careless if you believe in Titor, it's the message you should concentrate on.
The American Federal Empire, European Union and China is destroyed... this is part of the NWO...
Yes, I think the New World Order idea tried to establish itself. I would consider them the combination of the old U.S. federal system, Europe, Canada and Australia.
Propaganda from elite groups and corporate media is pulling the wool over your eyes, it's easily seen in this thread....
Your in denial of seeing for what it really is.....
www.abovetopsecret.com...
Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
Glyph, you're trying to make an argument where there is none. You're saying I said stuff that I DIDN'T SAY. I strongly suggest you read my post over again. Again, I am completely confused as to how you could have misread my post this bad....
To make it easier, please quote what you think I said that you disagree with. You're posts are kind of confusing and all over the place....
No, I said 2004 as that was the beginning of the greatest event in human history. Remember from the time Titor was here, up until 2004 things were supposed to be building up, then in 2004 the civil war would begin. An event that will change the course of humankind.*emphasis mine
This is 2007, well beyond the point of plain old riots. We're supposed to be 3 years deep in this civil war by now.
From the time he was here in 2000/2001 things were supposed to be building up to the start of the civil war in 2004.
2008 was supposed to be the point of no return. By 2008 the country will be so far gone, that America (and all it stands for or what it was supposed to stand for) is gone. People will realize this civil war will change the face of America forever. Sides will have been picked by then as people either see the true face of the government or choose to remain with them.
Name one reason how it's even remotely possible for people not to be aware of a civil war going on in their country.
Thatsjustweird
And I asked a simple yes or no question. I didn't ask you to run through anything, I asked you if you were talking about the Davidians or not. Simple yes or no that you haven't answered.
Thatsjustweird
So tell me what I'm assuming that's wrong!!!!!!!! This is so simple. What did I say that was wrong?
Just tell me.
Thatsjustweird
I asked you plainly, what are you basing your assumptions about me on?
Thatsjustweird
Which of Titor's messages btw? The one about how killing half the world's population is a good thing?
Thatsjustweird
Tried is the key word here. They obviously failed. Meaning what? Meaning they're not as powerful as you're trying to make them
Not sure what you're obsession with the NWO is. Even in real life it would take something DRASTIC on a global scale to even begin to think about working.
Thatsjustweird
Is there a civil war going on right now?
If you say yes, then please show me the latest battle reports, casualties to date, which states are currently heavily involved, etc.
If you say no, then the media must have wool over your eyes too right?
Your in denial of seeing for what it really is.....
www.abovetopsecret.com...
Thatsjustweird:
If Titor was talking about catching fugitive cop killers then why didn't he just say that or refer to the first time that's happened? Why would he say Waco?
Originally posted by XPhiles
weapons of mass distraction
Originally posted by XPhiles
It's not an assumption, it's a fact you think media would be covering the start of the conflicts, do you see the conflicts steadily getting worse? Of course you don't see it.... the government has learned from their past and now use the media as food for sheeple, plus.... the (sheep) will not see the events until it's much worse.
Lets just say it's modern warfare that's being waged against you right now, the media and its weapons of mass distraction is winning. There is plenty of casualties to date, but the sheep are easily deceived as it steadily gets worse.
See how they fool you, this is not about fugitive cop killers, or about "stuff".... you fail to remember how this man was murdered, this was an act of judge, jury, executioner...it was a Waco type event... events like this are steadily multiplying...
How can you ignore brutal federal acts like this and mindlessly believe it's not a Waco type event?
[edit on 15-4-2007 by XPhiles]
MegaCurious:
Keep in mind that these "events" that Titor was talking about are not on the news and that this Titor dude had all his facts mixed up with the "Federal Police" (If you've seen these folks, you wouldn't know it, since they use hypnosis/mind control and seizure lights -- lights that make you pass out when they turn them on you... ask the cops about these folks and they say "I don't know what you're talking about").
MegaCurious
He also said this all started in 2004 when it probably started in 2003 or even earlier.