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There's no such thing as a "little" waco event. Titor never said that.
Titor never said this either. He said by 2008 the war will be affecting everyone. Wars don't just pop up. Especially civil wars. Especially civil wars in 1st world countries where there's currently no reason to start killing each other.
Got a quote??
JT:The "machine" with the energy to do it will come on-line very soon. The "method" for doing it has already been "mostly" perfected in the Z machine at the National lab in New Mexico.
You must not know about nuclear war and/or you don't believe there was a 10 year civil war.
No, that's what you WANT to see. Too bad for you.
Catch the news today? Of course you didn't, you're in Canada and US news is irrelevant to you.
Well, inflation is in check, the dollar is rising, and oil prices dropped. All this with the holiday season coming up means the economy will continue to grow at a steady clip. Especially since consumer confidence is at it's highest level since 2002, which will make up for any slowing of the housing market. We already talked about how the unemployment rate continues to fall (just a side note - in New York City, the unemployment rate hit a 30 year low).
Yeah, you WANT an crash to happen. That's the only reason I can think of that would make you keep saying that....
JTo medical advances in 2036 have anything to do with genetics?
Again, I'm no expert. I believe there is a great deal of progress in treating the cancer cells with modified viruses. So I guess the answer is yes.
JT:The source of power for the C204 that allows it to distort and manipulate gravity comes from two microsingularities that were created, captured and cleaned at a much larger and "circular" facility. The dual event horizons of each one and their mass is manipulated by injecting electrons onto the surface of their respective ergospheres. The electricity comes from batteries. The breakthrough that will allow for this technology will occur within a year or so when CERN brings their larger facility online.
Buried in the obscure, "Annual Report on Cooperative Agreements and Other Transactions Entered into During FY2001," the US Army Aviation and Missile Command awarded funds to experimentally test superconductors for the manipulation of the gravitational field.
"The second object/device is quite unusual, even a little bizarre...this object is very large and tall, it spins around a vertical axis, counter-clockwise, like a gigantic gyroscope. This device can spin at incredible speeds... this effect is more of an illusion than a reality, which is caused by warping time and space...
JT:The source of power for the C204 that allows it to distort and manipulate gravity comes from two microsingularities that were created, captured and cleaned at a much larger and "circular" facility. The dual event horizons of each one and their mass is manipulated by injecting electrons onto the surface of their respective ergospheres. The electricity comes from batteries. The breakthrough that will allow for this technology will occur within a year or so when CERN brings their larger facility online.
The LHC will be the world's largest and most powerful particle accelerator. It possesses enough energy to recreate the first instances of the Big Bang, by colliding particles at a total energy of 14 tera-electronvolts. The LHC will be central to the next generation of experiments at CERN, enabling scientific investigations that have never been possible before. Its potential to revolutionalise our understanding of the Universe is eagerly anticipated by the scientific community.
When asked what he considered to be the most important discoveries that the new experiments can make, Prof. Hawking commented, "There are three candidates: superpartners, black holes and the Higgs". He considers superpartners and black holes to be the most important findings.
Their predicted existence underlies other theories, such as string theory, which are being developed as ‘the theory of everything’.
Black holes contains enormous amount of energy in very small space. The amount of energy concentration is so heavy that that it can detach space and time, as we know it. The detached time shows multidimensional characteristics.
According to some scientists, the black holes actually show the real infinite dimensions of time beyond our universe.
Deep underground on the Franco-Swiss border, someone will throw a switch next year to start one of the most ambitious experiments in history, probing the secrets of the universe and possibly finding new dimensions.
JT:The "machine" with the energy to do it will come on-line very soon. The "method" for doing it has already been "mostly" perfected in the Z machine at the National lab in New Mexico.
Isn't the time machine related to gravity?
Sandia’s Z machine, by creating pressures more than 10 million times that of the atmosphere at sea level, has turned a diamond sheet into a pool of liquid.
The experiment is another step in the drive to release enough energy from fused atoms to create unlimited electrical power for humanity. Control of this process has been sought for 50 years.
JT:Who receives the Nobel Prize for time travel? Since you claim no two worldlines are the same, this information could not hurt anything.
There are a great many people involved with the discovery of time travel. Just as I will not give "stock tips", I will not divulge their names as that may impact their lives now.
Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
Originally posted by XPhiles
You expect it to be strictly like Waco,
no no no no no
Maybe the first few events would be like Waco, but by now they should be much WORSE than what happened at Waco.
Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
What happened at Waco?
Civilians fought against who? The government. The government fought back.
That's a waco event.
Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
That's two groups engaged in armed conflict. Titor never said anything otherwise. Again, if Titor meant something else, then why did he say that?
Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
"Waco type event" has more figurative meaning to me, when I read the overall story of JT, it's not literally like Waco. I think you should read Roth last post and browse back a few pages.
Why would I read what Roth wrote? Roth's posts are irrelevant, it's Titor's post that count.
If you read Roth's post you would see that the way he posted Titor's quotes were to fit HIS views, not Titor's. All he did was mismatch Titor's quotes in order to mislead people like you.
My suggestion to you is to read Titor's posts for yourself (in the correct context) and stop relying on Roth. You're going to be horribly decieved if you keep doing that. Roth is just posting his own views then twisting Titor's words to try and fit his views...
For it to be much WORSE like WACO, it may will be the middle part of the civil war where there is outright open fighting in 2011
JT:Is there some sort of new world government in place by 2011?
On my worldline in 2011, the United States is in the middle of a civil war that has dramatic effects on most of the other Western governments.
18. Yes, I think the New World Order idea tried to establish itself. I would consider them the combination of the old U.S. federal system, Europe, Canada and Australia.
I don't remember a great deal about media coverage during the civil conflicts. I would probably characterize it the same way you see coverage of Waco, Ruby Ridge and Elian Gonzalez.
Originally posted by XPhiles
For it to be much WORSE like WACO, it may will be the middle part of the civil war where there is outright open fighting in 2011
One day "soon", you will be awaken to find your world has changed again TJW.
When it's much WORSE, I hope you take Titor's advice.
Good for you.... you know what happen at Waco. To bad you have no clue what it's all about.
Oh! You mean "groups" like the federal law enforcement agencies, The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms ATF and the FBI ext.. who are engage in maneuver and armed conflict.................
This is becoming of you, to digress in seemingly disconnected accusations....... You seem to enjoy giving false impression of those who threaten your beliefs.
Your telling me and everyone here a twisted lie for your own comfort.
And TJW, when you say that the story of JT looks like Babylon... the Davidians, at Waco, believed in a prophecy that said there would be an ultimate confrontation at Mt Carmel between God's people, those at Mt Carmel, and the arm of a pan-state call Babylon... interesting no?
Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
What he [Titor] does say is that by 2006 he has to leave the city because the fighting is so bad.
Originally posted by Vitchilo
I don't remember a great deal about media coverage during the civil conflicts. I would probably characterize it the same way you see coverage of Waco, Ruby Ridge and Elian Gonzalez.
Coverage of Waco: Demonization of David Koresh and the Davidians. Demonization of guns. Lies about what happened and how it happened. Polarization of the opinion, abuse of federal power, violation of civil rights, illegal use of judicial and executive powers by the FEDs, evidence destroyed and hided, the government is good-style of reporting, psychological warfare, violation of Pose Comitatus, use of new weapons against civilians.
Coverage of Elian Gonzalez: It was about immigration, demonization of his father, opinion polarized and protests.
Ruby Ridge coverage: Abuse of federal powers, use of firearms against a US citizen without any rules of engagement, use of deadly force, psychological warfare, polarization of opinion.
Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
Originally posted by XPhiles
For it to be much WORSE like WACO, it may will be the middle part of the civil war where there is outright open fighting in 2011
lmao!
Did you get that from Roth or from Titor.
Looking over Titor's quotes, it seems you got it from Roth, because I don't see Titor saying that anywhere.
What he does say is that by 2006 he has to leave the city because the fighting is so bad. And a couple years later the fighting has spread to every corner of the United States. Where are you getting this 2011 stuff from? lol, pushing the date back yet again I see....
Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
pushing the date back yet again I see....
Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
When it's much WORSE, I hope you take Titor's advice.
lol, and if it doesn't get worse? Are you living your life based on what Titor said?? LMAO!!
You seriously need to get a life my friend....
Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
Your telling me and everyone here a twisted lie for your own comfort.
Oh please
Tell me one thing I lied about. Please, I challange you to do so....
I have backed up everything I've said with direct quotes and links which is more than I can say for you all.
One last question, how did Texas fare during the war?
Texas is still there but Spanish is a lot more popular.
It has always surprised me why that concept is so hard for people to imagine and accept. Nothing would happen. The universe would not end and there are no paradox problems that threaten existence. Temporal space-time is made up of every possible quantum state. The Everett Wheeler model is correct.
Time slows down the closer one is to a large mass. A clock on earth moves slower than a clock running on an empty spaceship, floating between galaxies. So theoretically, a very great mass--if it could be made to spin in the right direction--could make time go backwards.
So where do you get this enormous mass?
Black holes, or "wormholes" are the answer that most physicists talk about
Another idea--one favored by Mallett among others, and based on quantum physics--is that there are limitless universes, where all probabilities are actualized.
Originally posted by XPhiles
open fighting = visible, well-known
TJW: "by now they should be much WORSE than what happened at Waco." = wrong
Titor:
On my worldline in 2011, the United States is in the middle of a civil war that has dramatic effects on most of the other Western governments.
Titor:
Outright open fighting was common by then and I joined a shotgun infantry unit in
2011. I served with the "Fighting Diamondbacks" for about 4 years.
Is it another delusion from ThatsJustWeird?
Does it must make you feel better.
Does self-deception comfort you?
Just scroll up and read. Are you not aware that your challenging yourself?
You must think think JT world is threatening, in turn you take this information and then transform it via mechanisms of defense. To put it bluntly, your deceiving yourself.
Your being absent-minded and converting the information for your own belief.
n my 2012, I was 14 years old spending most of my time living, running and hiding in the woods and rivers of central Florida. The civil war was in its 7th year
This is another lie of you. You are now downright lying without even using Titor's quotes, so I will do it for you, again, as always, as usual:
JT: "Our home was searched once and the neighbor across the street was arrested for some unknown reason. That convinced my father to leave the city."
So that was the true reason thatsjustweird. Nothing about fighting.
When the civil conflict started and got worse, people generally decided to either stay in the cities and lose most of their civil rights under the guise of security or leave the cities for more isolated and rural areas. Our home was searched once and the neighbor across the street was arrested for some unknown reason. That convinced my father to leave the city.
From the age of 8 to 12, we lived away from the cities and spent most of our time in a farm community with other families avoiding conflict with the federal police and National Guard. By that time, it was pretty clear that we were not going back to what we had and the division between the "cities" and the "country" was well defined. My father made a living by putting together 12-volt electrical systems and sailing "commodities" up and down the coast of Florida. I spent most of my time helping him.
Outright open fighting was common by then and blah blah blah
Originally posted by syrinx high priest
aww, did you miss me ?
Originally posted by syrinx high priest
I see there hasn't been a new idea presented in months.
Originally posted by John Titor - 02-02-2001 11:41 AM
”When the civil "conflict" started and got worse, people generally decided to either stay in the cities and lose most of their civil rights under the guise of security or leave the cities for more isolated and rural areas. Our home was searched once and the neighbor across the street was arrested for some unknown reason. That convinced my father to leave the city.
From the age of 8 to 12 [starting from 2006 to 2010], we lived away from the cities and spent most of our time in a farm community with other families avoiding conflict with the federal police and National Guard. By that time [by 2010], it was pretty clear that we were not going back to what we had and the division between the "cities" and the "country" was well defined. My father made a living by putting together 12-volt electrical systems and sailing "commodities" up and down the coast of Florida. I spent most of my time helping him.
Outright open fighting was common by then [by 2010/2011] and I joined a shotgun infantry unit in 2011. I served with the "Fighting Diamondbacks" for about 4 years. (Hearing in my right ear isn't as good as I would like it).”
Originally posted by syrinx high priest
The insults and mind games are really disappointing.
Originally posted by syrinx high priest
Maybe you can break it down into a few simple categories, like the science titor presents, his predictions, his examples of the future economy, society, whatever, and agree to discuss certain aspects of each category
Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
Originally posted by XPhiles
open fighting = visible, well-known
TJW: "by now they should be much WORSE than what happened at Waco." = wrong
How is that wrong???????
Titor said the war will start in 2004 with Waco type events. Meaning events like Waco.
He said that these monthtly events will get WORSE as time progresses. So if the first few were like Waco, and these get worse as they continue, that means the next few will be worse than Waco. This is common sense.
We're not 30+ months into this war. If you actually took what he said litterally, the current events should be 30x worse than Waco. But I've given him some leeway by saying the first FEW would be like Waco. Nevertheless, according to Titor, things should be worse now than they were at Waco.
Period.
There is no disputing that.
How can you have a WAR go on for two years and it's not even like Waco yet?
Originally posted by John Titor - 01-31-2001 03:41 PM
The civil war in the United States will start in 2004. I would describe it as having a Waco type event every month that steadily gets worse.
Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
Originally posted by XPhiles
Titor: Outright open fighting was common by then and I joined a shotgun infantry unit in
2011. I served with the "Fighting Diamondbacks" for about 4 years.
Why don't you post the begining of that quote! THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. And you continue to do that.
We've been through this already anyway. He didn't join the army before because he was too young. By 2011 he was 13 years old.
And before then he says from age 8-12 his family lives away from cities to avoid conflicts.
He says open fighting is common by then which would make sense, since by 2008 that fighting will have spread across all of the nation. Meaning that by 2006-2010 the fighting would start to go from just Waco type events to something more....
Originally posted by John Titor - 02-02-2001 11:41 AM
”When the civil "conflict" started and got worse, people generally decided to either stay in the cities and lose most of their civil rights under the guise of security or leave the cities for more isolated and rural areas. Our home was searched once and the neighbor across the street was arrested for some unknown reason. That convinced my father to leave the city.
Originally posted by John Titor - 02-02-2001 11:41 AM
From the age of 8 to 12 [starting from 2006 to 2010], we lived away from the cities and spent most of our time in a farm community with other families avoiding conflict with the federal police and National Guard. By that time [by 2010], it was pretty clear that we were not going back to what we had and the division between the "cities" and the "country" was well defined. My father made a living by putting together 12-volt electrical systems and sailing "commodities" up and down the coast of Florida. I spent most of my time helping him.
Originally posted by John Titor - 02-02-2001 11:41 AM
Outright open fighting was common by then [by 2010/2011] and I joined a shotgun infantry unit in 2011. I served with the "Fighting Diamondbacks" for about 4 years. (Hearing in my right ear isn't as good as I would like it).”
Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
This also proves that fighting was real bad by 2011. If the people fighting the government already have infantry units, that would mean they're organized and have been fighting for quite some time.
Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
When I post something I post the whole thing in context. I post the exact quote (unless I'm paraphrasing) and I link my sources (using only credible sources). I have yet to see you all do that in this thread.
Who's the only twisting the info here?
Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
Roth:
Please stay out of other people's conversations, you're just embarassing yourself..
2. What happened at Waco? There was fighting.
How can there be progressively worse Waco events if there's no fighting (even if you consider tasers Waco type events)?
If there's no fighting by 2006/2007 then how in the world will it have spread to everyone just a year later in 2008. That's not possible. That didn't even happen when the country was less modern and not a first world country during the first civil war, lol
4. Obviously you know nothing about the military. For a bunch of militias to suddenly become that orgainzed in a few years is absolutely ridiculous. Since he was in the shotgun infantry and shotguns are basically useless in war, that tells you there had to be other regular infantry groups. Do you know how long, how much money, how much manpower it would take to do all that and put up a fight against the strongest nation on earth?
Do you know how long, how much money, how much manpower it would take to do all that and put up a fight against the strongest nation on earth?
Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
Roth, please stop.
Read my whole post again, because it's obvious you didn't.
Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
You keep repeating the same s*** over again even though it's been proved wrong over and over again.
Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
Repeating something over and over again doesn't make it right, all you're doing is convincing yourself of your own lies...
Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
Bottome line:
1. Titor said the waco events would start in 2004. Not once did he say they'll be remembered like that, he stated that they WILL be like that. Period. There's no way around that no matter how bad you try.
Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
Now you're trying to say they're not going to be "full blown" waco type events?
Where did you get that from? Certainly not Titor.
Anyway, anything less than waco events won't start a civil war anywhere...
Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
2. What happened at Waco? There was fighting. If there's no fighting then there is no way it would be classified as a civil war, civil conflict, or whatever. Saying there won't be fighting in this civil war is a bunch of nonsense you Titorites came up with.
Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
He said the WAR would start in 2004. He said his definition of war was groups FIGHTING. Period. There's no way around that. Anything less would not start a civil war anywhere. Especially not in a nation like the US.
Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
3. He did not say that by 2010-2011 that's when open fighting would be common. The timeframe he used was 2006-2010 as proved over and over again by Titor's post. If you would stop taking his words out of context you would see this. Yet another PATHETIC attempt by you to distort Titor's post. Still trying to twist his words to fit YOUR views. That is your view and your view alone Roth. So again, when he said "by that time" the timeframe he was using was 2006-2010 any attempt to say otherwise is pure fiction which is really unnecessary in a fictional story.
Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
How can the division be defined if there was no fighting?
Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
How can there be progressively worse Waco events if there's no fighting (even if you consider tasers Waco type events)?
Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
If there's no fighting by 2006/2007 then how in the world will it have spread to everyone just a year later in 2008. That's not possible. That didn't even happen when the country was less modern and not a first world country during the first civil war, lol
Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
4. Obviously you know nothing about the military. For a bunch of militias to suddenly become that orgainzed in a few years is absolutely ridiculous. Since he was in the shotgun infantry and shotguns are basically useless in war, that tells you there had to be other regular infantry groups. Do you know how long, how much money, how much manpower it would take to do all that and put up a fight against the strongest nation on earth?
THINK Roth, THINK.
The only one who’s trying to get around it is you. I have showed you clearly that Titor never said the second US civil war will start with “waco-type events.”
The civil war in the United States will start in 2004. I would describe it as having a Waco type event every month that steadily gets worse.
Do you honestly think there's a civil war going on right now?
This is a simple yes or no question.
If there was a civil war going on, the people would know.
So, do you honesly believe the United States is 2...well 3 years now into a Civil War?
Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
For everyone else, please read what I have stated, and match it up with Titor's words. You will see what I have stated is a perfect match.
Now do the same for what Roth has said and have a good laugh
This is absolutely ridiculous.
So much so, I'm not even going to bother to repeat myself, as people are intelligent enough so see what I have stated and know where I got it from.
I will address this one thing though, then move on to question 3.
Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
Originally posted by Roth Joint
The only one who’s trying to get around it is you. I have showed you clearly that Titor never said the second US civil war will start with “waco-type events.”
John TItor:
The civil war in the United States will start in 2004. I would describe it as having a Waco type event every month that steadily gets worse.
Thanks for playing Roth
Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
Question 3 for you Titorites-
Do you honestly think there's a civil war going on right now?
This is a simple yes or no question.
Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
Didn't Titor say he was a historian or something? Even if he didn't him and his fellow timetravellers must know a great deal about history. They wouldn't say the civil war started in 2004 for nothing.
Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
With that being said....it's impossible to hide a civil war in a country like the United States - it's impossible to hide one in ANY country. So if the civil war started in 2004 and has progressively gotten worse since, it should be completely noticable by now.
Don't give me that 2008 bs. Not once did Titor say that the US and world wouldn't know the most powerful nation on earth is in a civil war until 2008 and comparing WW2 to now is complete BS. The 1930s had no where near the level of access to information that's available to every man woman and child today. If there was a civil war going on, the people would know.
So, do you honesly believe the United States is 2...well 3 years now into a Civil War?
Again, simple yes or no.