The American Civil War of 2005 as predicted by John Titor

Thanks Roth Joint for you're cheer!

Also, thanks EnronOutrunHomerun for you're moderation!

I just wanted to say that also another BIG STEP to a police state and propaganda that will angry people is the moving towards INTERNET 2. Internet 2 have many advantages, but it's very controlled, they want also that we post on our real name, that we identify with our fingerprints to start our computer...

On internet 2, forget ATS, forget Alex Jones, forget alternative opinions... forget other medias than officials ones and pro-government.... they'll be massive censorship, and when you say something, they'll know who you are and where you live. And we're going to Internet 2 in less than 3 years...

They are already putting chips on soldiers in Iraq so they can put robots who kill anyone who doesn't have a chip who's hostile... Imagine this on streets firing ruber bullets at protester? No emotions, maximum power, maximum armor... very powerful toy for a fascist government...

And we are going to an economic crash, going to be short of water... plenty of reasons for revolution, civil war or big riots. And the political system of the US is due for a radical change because it's not working at all, corruption everywhere, president have too much power...

[edit on 27-10-2006 by Vitchilo]

Anybody heard of "El Muro?"..... it's kinda bizarre.... how long do you think it will take before they will have it up...... I can guarantee you, before 2009!..... or perhaps something will interfere.... and if so....what do you think that "something" will be?....

History has a very.... very strange way of repeating itself, don't you think?.....

Don't stop thinking.... (about tomorrow....)

www.news.com.au...
'Berlin wall' for US-Mexico border - MEXICO has condemned US President George W Bush for signing into law a Bill that will create a fence, akin to the Berlin Wall, along their common border.
October 27, 2006 04:04pm - Mr Bush today authorised the construction of the fence along the US-Mexico border, shining the spotlight on illegal immigration 12 days ahead of US legislative elections.

At a White House bill-signing ceremony, Mr Bush said the law - which allows for the creation of a 1100km fence along a third of the US border with Mexico - would make the frontier more secure. Mr Bush called the Bill "an important step toward immigration reform''.

'Humanity committed a grave mistake in building the Berlin Wall. I'm sure that the United States is committing a grave mistake in building this fence,'' Mr Calderon said, who takes over from President Vincente Fox on December 1.

MrFox also attacked Mr Bush, calling the move an "embarrassment for the United States''. The fence's cost has been estimated at up to $US6 billion ($A7.9 billion), and Senate Democratic opposition leader Harry Reid put the price tag at some $US8 billion ($A10.5 billion).

According to a poll by Opinion Research Corp, for CNN, 53 per cent of Americans oppose the barrier, while 45 per cent support it.

www.sfgate.com.../c/a/2006/10/27/MNGP4M0V5R1.DTL
700 miles of new fence OKd for Mexico border
The law requires two layers of new reinforced steel fencing along five segments of the 1,952-mile border, including the entire Arizona border and about 200 miles of the border in southern Texas. It also calls for additional infrastructure -- roads, vehicle barriers and additional Border Patrol checkpoints -- and electronic surveillance tools, including unmanned aerial vehicles, ground-based sensors, satellites, radar coverage and cameras. And it mandates a study of border security along the 4,000-mile Canadian border.

A separate budget bill for the Department of Homeland Security that the president signed this month appropriated $1.2 billion for border fencing and barriers where practicable and "other forms of tactical infrastructure and technology."

The physical barriers that already exist along the border are being fortified by National Guard troops deployed to support the Border Patrol's 12,000 agents. They are building and repairing roads, fences and vehicle barriers in the sectors of the border near San Diego; Yuma and Tucson in Arizona; and El Paso, Texas, Border Patrol spokesman Mike Friel said Thursday.

The Department of Homeland Security also awarded a contract to Boeing Co. in September to construct a "virtual fence" along all 6,000 miles of the U.S. border, north and south. The project, known as the Secure Border Initiative Network, could run to $2.5 billion.

Cost estimates for the 700 miles of fencing range from $2 billion to $7 billion. Supporters and opponents alike assert that the $1.2 billion allocated this month is inadequate.

"Even if it were all spent on the fence, it's only enough to build 90 miles, so you've got to start asking what is this about, anyway?" said Jeanne Butterfield, executive director of the American Immigration Lawyers Association in Washington, D.C., which supports comprehensive reform.

www.progressiveu.org...
SOB Welcome to the USSA
What is next anyway? What if this cockeyed, half ass fence works, what's next? You know a government tried this a couple decades or so ago. Yeah didn't you read about it, Bush? I think they were called the USSR. Yeah, and they built a fence, oh no, a wall, across the border of a city, Berlin. It didn't work out so well for them.... Well folks, welcome to the USSA!

www.pasadenastarnews.com...
More walls than bridges
I wonder if President Bush gave any thought to how Reagan would have felt about the "Mexican Wall"? We know what he thought about the Berlin Wall. The stains on our Constitution by this administration will take years to correct.

[edit on 28-10-2006 by Roth Joint]

El Muro? Internet 2? geez It's truly steadily getting worse...

chalk another one up.....

Titor
I would describe it as having a Waco type event every month that steadily gets worse.

Cops dressed like an urban army, storming a school at a Michigan Middle and High School.

Michigan School Safety Drill That Included Police in Riot Gear Upsets Some Parents

This may not of been a Waco event, but I bet it looked liked one. Certainly the looks of it is steadily getting worse. Makes you wonder if they had any those heavy swat armored vehicles encircle the school with a flag stuck on the antenna...


[edit on 29-10-2006 by XPhiles]

lmao!!
You guys are hilarious.

Seriously though, what kind of lives do you all live? Seems to me all you all do is go around TRYING to find bad things. And if you can't find anything, you take something good and try to make it bad. What kind of life is that?? That is definately not healthy to have that kind of mindset.

Originally posted by XPhiles
El Muro? Internet 2? geez It's truly steadily getting worse...

What's getting worse?

1. El Muro? lmao!!! They've been talking about that for DECADES! And in no way is that a bad thing!? This is EXCELLENT!


2. Internet 2? lmao! Please do a search on what internet 2 is. Did you notice vit didn't add any sources or links? Please ask him why.
Anyway, the internet won't be going anywhere for the foreseeable future.
www.timesonline.co.uk...

340,282,366,920,938,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 new web addresses created by internet chiefs . . . so we won’t run out of space soon, then
By Jonathan Richards
TO THE lay observer it seems like an infinite network of computers, servers and cables stretching around the globe.

But the worldwide web is filling up. So quickly, it turns out, that programmers have had to devise a new one.

Of the internet addresses available, more than three quarters are already in use, and the remainder are expected to be assigned by 2009. So, what will happen as more people in developing countries come online? The answer is IPv6, a new internet protocol that has more spaces than the old one: 340,282,366,920,938,000,000, 000,000,000,000,000,000 spaces, in fact. “Currently there’s four billion addresses available and there are six billion humans on Earth, so there’s obviously an issue there,” said David Kessens, chairman of the IPv6 working group at RIPE, one of five regional internet registries in charge of rolling it out.

Every device that is connected to the internet — websites, computers and mobile phones — needs an “internet address” to locate it on the network.

When the internet was developed in the 1980s, programmers had no idea how big it would become. They gave each address a “16-bit” number, which meant that the total number of available addresses worked out at about four billion (2 to the power of 32).

But as use grew, it became clear that the old protocol, IPv4, wasn’t big enough, so a new one was written based on “32-bit numbers”. That increased the number of available addresses to 340 undecillion, 282 decillion, 366 nonillion, 920 octillion, 938 septillion — enough for the foreseeable future, Mr Kessens said.

IPv6 does not involve any new cables being laid, nor will there be any burden on customers, for whom the change will appear seamless. It will, however, greatly improve the quality of certain internet services, in particular phone calls, which are not suited to IPv4.

“The big change is going to be in peer-to-peer services like gaming and file-sharing, which are going to become much easier to use,” Mr Kessens said.

Several service providers, including AOL and Yahoo!, have applied for space on the new network, and IPv6 is in use in some countries, including the Netherlands. But the big “driver” is likely to be the release next year of the new version of Microsoft Windows, Vista, which is understood to contain some IPv6-only applications. The US Government has told departments to make their systems “IPv6-ready” by 2008.

The Department of Trade and Industry said it was aware of the changeover, but that it was up to large providers to take the lead when it occurred.

Both protocols can work on the same network and IPv4 will not be decommissioned.

Oooo the internet 2 will have more numbers! You're kidding right? This article show only that more users will be able to use it! They do not say that this is private and website like ATS, forget it. TJW, you're article SAYS NOTHING. Why do you think they try to kill the internet? Because they can control it enough, why do you think they try to push for internet 2? Because they control it. And ``el muro`` they'll not built it, it's a political move.

Also, Bush signs the Martial Law Act of 2007...

532 billions for military

According to a press release from the office of Senator Patrick Leahy, however, the bill takes a “sizable step toward weakening states’ authority over their [National] Guard units, according to the congressional leaders who are leading the fight for Guard empowerment.” Leahey and senator Kit Bond, a Montana Republican, “said the conference agreement is expected to include a provision making it easier for the President to declare martial law, stripping state governors of part of their authority over state National Guard units in domestic emergencies. The provision is opposed by the National Governors Association and by key leaders in both the House and Senate.”

Frank Morales, an Episcopal priest and activist in New York City, writes that the John Warner Defense Authorization Act of 2007 actually encourages the establishment of martial law “by revising the Insurrection Act, a set of laws that limits the President’s ability to deploy troops within the United States. The Insurrection Act (10 U.S.C.331 -335) has historically, along with the Posse Comitatus Act (18 U.S.C.1385), helped to enforce strict prohibitions on military involvement in domestic law enforcement. With one cloaked swipe of his pen, Bush is seeking to undo those prohibitions.”

Bush’s Martial Law Act of 2007 modifies the Insurrection Act and deals yet another blow to the Posse Comitatus Act. “Section 1076 of the massive Authorization Act, which grants the Pentagon another $500-plus-billion for its ill-advised adventures, is entitled, ‘Use of the Armed Forces in Major Public Emergencies,’” explains Morales. “Section 333, ‘Major public emergencies; interference with State and Federal law’ states that ‘the President may employ the armed forces, including the National Guard in Federal service, to restore public order and enforce the laws of the United States when, as a result of a natural disaster, epidemic, or other serious public health emergency, terrorist attack or incident, or other condition in any State or possession of the United States, the President determines that domestic violence has occurred to such an extent that the constituted authorities of the State or possession are incapable of (’refuse’ or ‘fail’ in) maintaining public order, ‘in order to suppress, in any State, any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy.’”

or those who object to forced vaccinations and quarantines in the event of a bio-terror event.

Even if there's no law to forced vaccinations.

Brinkerhoff told PBS: “The United States itself is now for the first time since the War of 1812 a theater of war. That means that we should apply, in my view, the same kind of command structure in the United States that we apply in other theaters of war.”

Yeah right... martial law?

The law also facilitates militarized police round-ups and detention of protesters, so called “illegal aliens,” “potential terrorists” and other “undesirables” for detention in facilities already contracted for and under construction by Halliburton.

Also, an invitable economic crash in the coming month will surely lead to riots because of the responsibility of the Bush administration in it and because people will be hungry... you know we are far more than in 29...
People who are hungry are far more willing to kill anybody for food.

Journalist assasinated in Oxaca

People in Mexico are very angry about the stolen election and the police are firing at protesters...

[edit on 29-10-2006 by Vitchilo]

Originally posted by Vitchilo
Oooo the internet 2 will have more numbers! You're kidding right? This article show only that more users will be able to use it! They do not say that this is private and website like ATS, forget it. TJW, you're article SAYS NOTHING. Why do you think they try to kill the internet? Because they can control it enough, why do you think they try to push for internet 2? Because they control it.

Go back and read what I said.
1. I told you to research what internet 2 is. Internet 2 is a program. It's NOT an internet.
www.internet2.edu...
en.wikipedia.org...


2. Of course it says nothing. Why? Because there's no new internet! lmao!!! They've just expanded tremendously the current one meaning this one won't run out of space.
How could they push for something that doesn't exsist!?

And ``el muro`` they'll not built it, it's a political move.

What are you talking about?
"el muro" is the wall they're building along our southern border. It's something they should have done years ago.


The rest of your post is just the regular fear mongering that goes on in this thread. They should change the title to The Fear Thread since nothing you all post relate to Titor and only you all spreading wild theories and fears...

Go back and read what I said.
1. I told you to research what internet 2 is. Internet 2 is a program. It's NOT an internet.
www.internet2.edu...
en.wikipedia.org...

A program that we will move on in the next few years that will be controlled.

2. Of course it says nothing. Why? Because there's no new internet! lmao!!! They've just expanded tremendously the current one meaning this one won't run out of space.
How could they push for something that doesn't exsist!?

Yes it exist. Faster, more security, ect... now they are testing it with universities. Even if it ``doesn't exist``, all laws that they pass to ``kill`` free speech on internet 1 are fascists and when the good time come, they will show Internet 2 as a heaven and then you'll need a permit to own a website.

What are you talking about?
"el muro" is the wall they're building along our southern border. It's something they should have done years ago.

So you think they are building it? Bush's ‘Fence Bill' Doesn't Actually Create Fence

The rest of your post is just the regular fear mongering that goes on in this thread. They should change the title to The Fear Thread since nothing you all post relate to Titor and only you all spreading wild theories and fears...

Fearmongering? You mean like facts about the economy doing worst than in the 30s? Or the martial law bill, military comission act, people revolting in Texas because of the NAFTA highway or something else? And all those laws are relating to Titor because of waco events, fascists laws that could bring to civil war/revolution.

[edit on 29-10-2006 by Vitchilo]

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird

1. I told you to research what internet 2 is. Internet 2 is a program. It's NOT an internet.
www.internet2.edu...
en.wikipedia.org...

ThatsJustWeird I guess your attempting to amuse us here lol, Internet2 is not the Internet?.....Wow maybe they should take out the word Internet and call it network2 lol..... I've used Internet2 in college, it's not much different from the Internet other than being way faster and less private.

Once everyone rids there old copper phone wires, then maybe fiber-optic is the way to go some day. Anyway.....Vitchilo does make a good point, Internet2 is very controlled. Could be very useful for the government to keep tabs on future Network Fingerprint Services.

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
They should change the title to The Fear Thread since nothing you all post relate to Titor and only you all spreading wild theories and fears...

What are you talking about? I'm always throwing in a Titor quote to relate...

Titor
The trick is to not turn off your fear when you’ll need it the most.

[edit on 29-10-2006 by XPhiles]

Originally posted by Vitchilo
A program that we will move on in the next few years that will be controlled.

*sigh*
This is why I don't like talking to you all.
You all refuse to do research or look up facts. Only go by what you want to believe.

You have yet to provide any proof or links of your claim. Why in the world should I believe you?

Yes it exist. Faster, more security, ect... now they are testing it with universities. Even if it ``doesn't exist``, all laws that they pass to ``kill`` free speech on internet 1 are fascists and when the good time come, they will show Internet 2 as a heaven and then you'll need a permit to own a website.

You obviously didn't understand any of the articles that were posted. I don't know what else to say to your or make it easier to understand...

So you think they are building it? Bush's ‘Fence Bill' Doesn't Actually Create Fence

Is this a joke?
Did you actually read your own article?
Did you actually read both bills?

What exactly is your point anyway? You said el muro was a political movement. Where's your link supporting that?

Fearmongering? You mean like facts about the economy doing worst than in the 30s?

Facts can be backed up with proof. I'm waiting for you to show ANY proof at all of this. I can show you litterallly thousands of articles showing otherwise. What can you show me?
Here's a recent article. They're actually HAPPY the economy slowed in the third quarter of this year. They U.S. economy has been growing steadily for the past 5 years.
www.bloomberg.com...

Or the martial law bill, military comission act

Have you actually read those laws? It's obvious you haven't and just posted what you saw off a website, not realizing those websites only show you want they want you to see.

people revolting in Texas because of the NAFTA highway or something else?

This is exactly what I'm talking about?
Every protest or demonstration is now a revolt or civil unrest. You have got to be kidding!
I don't think you know the meaning of words like "revolt" and "civil unrest"

And all those laws are relating to Titor because of waco events, fascists laws that could bring to civil war/revolution.

lol
Go back in this theard. Waaaaaay back. REALISTIC situations that would HAVE to happen before anyone can even THINK about a civil war in this country have been listed.
Other stuff is just nonsense.

*sigh*
This is why I don't like talking to you all.
You all refuse to do research or look up facts. Only go by what you want to believe.

You have yet to provide any proof or links of your claim. Why in the world should I believe you?

It's obviously their plan is to take us to Internet 2, it's just logical technological progress.

You obviously didn't understand any of the articles that were posted. I don't know what else to say to your or make it easier to understand...

It's a technological progress, so why should we stay on Internet 1 if Internet 2 is better?

Is this a joke?
Did you actually read your own article?
Did you actually read both bills?

Yeah, the ``physical`` fence will not be constructed, it will be a virtual fence to move more towards a police state, but on the border. At least it will try to stop the immigrants and that is a good thing.

What exactly is your point anyway? You said el muro was a political movement. Where's your link supporting that?

Where did I said it was a political movement? It's not.

Facts can be backed up with proof. I'm waiting for you to show ANY proof at all of this. I can show you litterallly thousands of articles showing otherwise. What can you show me?
Here's a recent article. They're actually HAPPY the economy slowed in the third quarter of this year. They U.S. economy has been growing steadily for the past 5 years.
www.bloomberg.com...

Bloomberg? Are you kidding? And the chairman of JPMorgan? The bank owned by the Rockerfeller? Those who help Bush winning the elections? Seriously. Why the former director of the World Bank say otherwise? Why Greenspan and Bernanke have 4X the money in circulation? Why the economy is hidding itself from his real value? Why Greenspan himself say that everyone is shifting to the Euro?
That arabs are dumping dollars?
That the foreign deficit is larger and larger?
The vast majority of economists and budget analysts agree: The ship of state is on a disastrous course and will founder on the reefs of economic disaster if nothing is done to correct it.
That the crash can't be stopped but only deferred?

Have you actually read those laws? It's obvious you haven't and just posted what you saw off a website, not realizing those websites only show you want they want you to see.

I red the Military Comission Act, and a description of the martial law act that i will read tomorrow. The military comission act affect US citizens but they still have Habeas Corpus, it legalise torture and wash the US administration for all crimes they've comitted. When you legalise torture, you're in a very wrong path.

This is exactly what I'm talking about?
Every protest or demonstration is now a revolt or civil unrest. You have got to be kidding!
I don't think you know the meaning of words like "revolt" and "civil unrest"

It was not a normal protest, it's a protest were they claimed that if any US government try to built the NAFTA highway, they'll resist with their 2th amendment.

lol
Go back in this theard. Waaaaaay back. REALISTIC situations that would HAVE to happen before anyone can even THINK about a civil war in this country have been listed.
Other stuff is just nonsense.

Sorry, but I don't know if you remarked but people are more divided than anytime before. Those who support Bush are blind hardcore fanatics republicans, they hate the ACLU, love OCrazy and support everything the Bush administration is doing against the constitution... and those who support the constitution won't be slave. There you have you're two opponements.

[edit on 30-10-2006 by Vitchilo]

Originally posted by XPhiles
ThatsJustWeird I guess your attempting to amuse us here lol, Internet2 is not the Internet?.....Wow maybe they should take out the word Internet and call it network2 lol..... I've used Internet2 in college, it's not much different from the Internet other than being way faster and less private.

If you used it then you know it's not a new internet!!
WTF!
This is getting ridiculous. It's very simple. You all are doing this on purpose to annoy me is what I think because you all can't possibly be that stupid.

First of all it's common sense.
1. The internet grows exponentially every day, to try and switch everything to another internet is impossible.

2. They've just expanded the internet so that we would not run out of space and to make things run smoother and faster, why would they do that if they're going to get rid of it?

3. RESEARCH!!!!!!!!! I've said that and you all STILL HAVEN'T DONE IT!?
WHY?

4. Where are your links saying that we're going to be switching to another internet??????????
WHY SHOULD I BELIEVE YOU!?



Vit - I asked you to show me how today's economy is doing worse than it was in the 30s. I still await your proof.

And please read the laws again. Read the actual laws, not someone's interpretation.

Sorry, but I don't know if you remarked but people are more divided than anytime before. Those who support Bush are blind hardcore fanatics republicans, they hate the ACLU, love OCrazy and support everything the Bush administration is doing against the constitution... and those who support the constitution won't be slave. There you have you're two opponements.

Name one time in this nations history that we have ever been truely united.
Just name one.
btw, off the top of my head I can name at least three time when we were MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH more divided than we are now.
During the civil war
From the 40s-60s
From
From the Late 60s-70s
There is not one speck of proof that we're more divided now. Not one.

Thank you thatsjustweird for being here… thank you! Where would we be without you? Would we have arguments going back and forth? Would we have a thread with sharp discussions about John Titor? Where would Yin be without Yang? And vice versa…. And where would YOU be thatsjustweird…. Without US?…. Exactly!

As we are one big happy family now around here let me ask you how divided you think this is:
www.news.com.au...
According to a poll by Opinion Research Corp, for CNN, 53 per cent of Americans oppose the barrier, while 45 per cent support it.

But wait…. What was the SundayHeraldSun referring to?….. exactly…..the WALL…..EL MURO! I guess Roger Waters was his time far ahead……

Fact is: we are heavily divided…………but the question remains…… what kind of “something” in the very near future will make us take up our arms…. and fight?…… oh boy….that John Titor…..

B.t.w......don't forget Al Gore..... marching and marching.........

Originally posted by Roth Joint
Thank you thatsjustweird for being here… thank you! Where would we be without you? Would we have arguments going back and forth? Would we have a thread with sharp discussions about John Titor? Where would Yin be without Yang? And vice versa…. And where would YOU be thatsjustweird…. Without US?…. Exactly!

No, I'm more like the voice of reason in the midst of a bunch of unreasonable voices.
The lemming that won't jump off the cliff just because someone said it's ok to jump off the cliff.


btw
Al Gore is a thing of the past. Not sure why you're obsessed with him. All he's doing is trying to be relevant...

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird

Originally posted by Roth Joint
Thank you thatsjustweird for being here… thank you! Where would we be without you? Would we have arguments going back and forth? Would we have a thread with sharp discussions about John Titor? Where would Yin be without Yang? And vice versa…. And where would YOU be thatsjustweird…. Without US?…. Exactly!

No, I'm more like the voice of reason in the midst of a bunch of unreasonable voices.
The lemming that won't jump off the cliff just because someone said it's ok to jump off the cliff.

Ofcourse you are.... I wouldn't advise you to jump.... merely to have a closer look to where you are standing..... a lot depends on that.. you know....

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
btw
Al Gore is a thing of the past. Not sure why you're obsessed with him. All he's doing is trying to be relevant...

Well then, let's just wait and see if that's really true.... b.t.w.. don't you think 53% against 45% is quite 'something?'.... Imagine... that's 53% of all American's opposed to what you are calling excellent....

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird

If you used it then you know it's not a new internet!!
WTF!

I never said it was new? I always get a good laugh out of your comments though lol. At least your entertaining, anyway....
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division between the “cities” and the “country” Paramilitary tactics in domestic policing.

John Titor
From the age of 8 to 12, we lived away from the cities and spent most of our time in a farm
community with other families avoiding conflict with the federal police and national guard.
By that time, it was pretty clear that we were not going back to what we had and the
division between the “cities” and the “country” was well defined.

John Titor is 8 years old in our worldline right now, he's has warned his family in advanced and now the young Titor is away from the cities avoiding militarized police raids. WOW! (Still time for you TJW or "syrinx" to move away before they knock down your door unannounced. lol)

Rein in state's 'no-knock' SWAT team home raids

You and your law-abiding neighbors in Mississippi might be just one street address away from a life-threatening, midnight raid by a local paramilitary police unit.

As these so-called SWAT squads increasingly become America's favored search warrant delivery service, bungled raids - including many to the wrong address - have skyrocketed. In these assaults on private property, scores of innocent citizens, police officers and nonviolent offenders have died.

Written by Ronald Fraser, Ph.D., writes on public policy issues for the DKT Liberty Project, a Washington-based civil liberties organization. Rein in state's 'no-knock' SWAT team home raids

Rein in state's 'no-knock' SWAT team home raids

Paramilitary policing of an innocent man goes to death row. The Case of Cory Maye

Just by watching a tv show like Dallas SWAT, is to numb your thinking to adopt their use of Paramilitary Force....even their paramilitary looks is to numb the masses...
link for the sheep www.aetv.com... In this tv show one would see they treat civilians as if they are enemy combatants, which is not what SWAT was designed to do. News media or shows like this is a threat to our civil liberties.

It's Halloween year round for SWAT.... they get to dress like military all the time.


note: taser attached to their weapons.

John Titor

“In the future, the army and police will fight its
enemies with new weapons systems…” When they use the word “enemy”, they’re talking
about YOU!

[edit on 30-10-2006 by XPhiles]

Vit - I asked you to show me how today's economy is doing worse than it was in the 30s. I still await your proof.

If I said that the economy was worse now than it was in the 30s, it was not intentional, I wanted to say that the economy will be WORSE than in the 30s after the economic crash that is pending for the next year, and it's the former world bank director that is saying that...

And please read the laws again. Read the actual laws, not someone's interpretation.

I red the Military Comission Act, it legalise torture, supress the Habeas Corpus for aliens and if they want anyone, you know, they make errors and they can say you have false ID cards... I hope they don't do that often...But showing you're paper or go to jail for life without process... Nazi Germany?

And about the division, would you explain why people were so divided during 40-60s and 60-80? I don't know what you're talking about, please make me a little history course. Because I don't see why people would be against World War 2... 60-70... the rights for womans or Vietnam?

I say now it's worse because those who support Bush support a fascist state, and those who are against him are supporting freedom and the constitution. This is far more important than a war abroad or rights for womens.

[edit on 31-10-2006 by Vitchilo]

Originally posted by Vitchilo
If I said that the economy was worse now than it was in the 30s, it was not intentional, I wanted to say that the economy will be WORSE than in the 30s after the economic crash that is pending for the next year

Fear-mongering like I said.
Who cares who said it, it's still fear-mongering.

People say this every year and nothing happens. The Powers that be wouldn't allow it to happen anyway. To much of the world economy is dependent on the U.S. There's no way they let it fall as there is currently nothing that can take it's place.

And about the division, would you explain why people were so divided during 40-60s and 60-80? I don't know what you're talking about, please make me a little history course. Because I don't see why people would be against World War 2... 60-70... the rights for womans or Vietnam?

WW2?? lol, I'm talking about after. But even then and before WW2, the US was very divided, especially economically. (speaking of WW2, do you think everyone supported the war? Knowing you and your lack of US history knowledge you probably do. Oh and do you know what we did to Japanese citizens then?? They would WANT to be in a place like Gitmo compared to the conditions they were put in and how they were treated.)
Anyway during the late 40s and into the 60s you may have heard something called the Civil Rights era? No you probably haven't. During this time people were KILLED for being different or believing in something different. You can talk all this bs all you want about us being divided now, but you have no clue.
During the late 60s into the 70s it was the Vietnam era. Again, riots, civil disorder, and people being killed because of what they believed were common occuranes. You truely have no clue.

I say now it's worse because those who support Bush support a fascist state, and those who are against him are supporting freedom and the constitution.

wtf are you talking about??
Do you honestly believe this or did you see someone else write this or something?
First of all, very few people support Bush. People support the party.
And to say people who support Bush support a fascist state tells me you have absolutely no clue what a fascist state is. You're obviously are repeating something you heard and not thinking and researching for yourself.

You're not alone though. People these days don't take the time to research things on their own. They just repeat what they read off some website or something. Do they honestly believe these websites are trying to tell them the "truth"?
No. Far from it. They're telling them what they want to hear (that's why they have no or shoddy at best evidence to support any of their claims). Preying on their fears.

Originally posted by XPhiles
John Titor is 8 years old in our worldline right now, he's has warned his family in advanced and now the young Titor is away from the cities avoiding militarized police raids. WOW! (Still time for you TJW or "syrinx" to move away before they knock down your door unannounced. lol)

What?
No one lives in cities, the U.S. is a suburban society.
Just another flaw in Titor's story.

When Alas Babylon was made in the 50s, the US was clearly divided like that. You had farm lands and rural areas, and you had cities. Suburban sprawl was just about to take off. Unfortunately for Titor he kept that type of division in his story, so that now it doesn't even make sense since the US is no longer like that.
Now you have cities, suburbs, and then rural areas (which are QUICKLY diminishing - lol, you try finding farmland in Florida)
Even with the tremendous growth of the suburbs some cities are also starting to rebound and grow again. Especially in the south and south west. According to Titor this shouldn't be happening, so why is it?

Fear-mongering like I said.
Who cares who said it, it's still fear-mongering.

People say this every year and nothing happens. The Powers that be wouldn't allow it to happen anyway. To much of the world economy is dependent on the U.S. There's no way they let it fall as there is currently nothing that can take it's place.

It's not fear-mongering, it's facts! It's more truth now than ever, I don't know why people where speaking of economic crash before now... But now, every country, even China is starting dumping the dollar! What do you think will happen when the gold hit 1000$, the US$ is dumped everywhere and people are all in debt? Even an economic nobel prize winner, the last vice-president of world bank said it last week! Even the banks are trying to find a way to survive! People will be ANGRY! We'll see in the next 6 months if it will be obvious that the economy crash... if not, I'll apologies!

WW2?? lol, I'm talking about after. But even then and before WW2, the US was very divided, especially economically. (speaking of WW2, do you think everyone supported the war?

Knowing you and your lack of US history knowledge you probably do. Oh and do you know what we did to Japanese citizens then?? They would WANT to be in a place like Gitmo compared to the conditions they were put in and how they were treated.)
Anyway during the late 40s and into the 60s you may have heard something called the Civil Rights era? No you probably haven't. During this time people were KILLED for being different or believing in something different. You can talk all this bs all you want about us being divided now, but you have no clue.
During the late 60s into the 70s it was the Vietnam era. Again, riots, civil disorder, and people being killed because of what they believed were common occuranes. You truely have no clue.

Thanks for the info, I wasn't aware of all that. But I keep thinking it will be worse than in the 40s and the 60s because of the following reasons:
- Economic crash
- North American Union
- 9/11 inside job, a lot of people believe it
- People tired of all the politicals parties corrupt
- The constitution soaring
- They will try to take arms
- Police state

wtf are you talking about??
Do you honestly believe this or did you see someone else write this or something?
First of all, very few people support Bush. People support the party.
And to say people who support Bush support a fascist state tells me you have absolutely no clue what a fascist state is. You're obviously are repeating something you heard and not thinking and researching for yourself.

Fascism:Fascism is a radical political ideology that combines elements of corporatism,(YES) authoritarianism,(Patriot act, ect..) nationalism,(nationalism, but world nationalism, NWO) militarism,(YES, no more posse commitatus) anti-anarchism,(YES, of course, bigger government) anti-communism(YES) and anti-liberalism.(YES, patriot act, ect...)

[edit on 1-11-2006 by Vitchilo]