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Shut up about impeachment and get your heads out of your rear.

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posted on Oct, 7 2019 @ 10:45 AM
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originally posted by: Extorris
a reply to: Arnie123

You appear deeply ignorant of the constitution.

The house is not required to vote to begin impeachment proceedings.

How they conduct impeachment proceedings is entirely the purview of the House of Representatives.

Ironically in the past votes have been held for political messaging purposes or "Theater" as you put it.

Your opinions and false claims do not change the constitution.




Cool so when do the republicans get to send subpenas??

you can cite that correct, you know the constitution you say.

Please tell us, when do the republicans get to send Subpenas???




posted on Oct, 7 2019 @ 11:30 AM
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originally posted by: thedigirati

originally posted by: Extorris
a reply to: Arnie123

You appear deeply ignorant of the constitution.

The house is not required to vote to begin impeachment proceedings.

How they conduct impeachment proceedings is entirely the purview of the House of Representatives.

Ironically in the past votes have been held for political messaging purposes or "Theater" as you put it.

Your opinions and false claims do not change the constitution.




Cool so when do the republicans get to send subpenas??

you can cite that correct, you know the constitution you say.

Please tell us, when do the republicans get to send Subpenas???


I know you meant this as snark, but it actually furthers my complaint about ignorance of the Constitution.

The HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES has authority over HOW impeachment proceedings work.

The House has a handful of committees investigating; Oversight Committee, Intelligence Committee, Way and Means, Foreign Affairs.

If any of them turn up damning evidence they forward to the Judiciary committee to weigh whether the evidence constitutes impeachable offenses.

If the House Judiciary committee thinks the evidence justifies articles of impeachment, they then draft the articles of impeachment and the entire house votes on the articles, if it passes then it moves on to the Senate for trial.

An impeachment process in the Senate operates as a kind of trial complete with a hearing of the evidence and prosecution and defense with the Chief Justice of the Supreme court (John Roberts) serving as Judge and the Senate as Jury.

To your question: "when do the republicans get to send subpenas??"

Now, later and always? Subpoenas are issued by Committee Chairs.

So in the House the Dems have Majority and thus Committee chairmanships, they can issue Subpoenas and GOP on those committees participate in questioning.

In the Senate committee chairs (GOP Majority) can also issue Subpoenas for investigative or defense purposes. They can even cite the ongoing impeachment inquiry in the house as cause for the Subpoena's giving them extra legal weight.

Unfortunately for the GOP in the senate that would mean they would have to acknowledge the legitimacy of the impeachment inquiry first and they have made the strategic decision not to investigate, at least publicly, which is wise, because the evidence really looks damning and it would be embarrassing to have witnesses confirm the allegations.

The second opportunity for GOP Subpoenas includes during the senate trial. The President (via his lawyers) can also subpoena witnesses and documents for the purposes of launching a defense in an impeachment trial in the senate.



posted on Oct, 7 2019 @ 11:32 AM
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a reply to: Extorris

There won't be an impeachment trial, so the process isn't really worth worrying about.
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posted on Oct, 7 2019 @ 12:39 PM
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a reply to: UKTruth

If anything i wont be shocked if some of the dems lose in the house or the GOP retake it. Because voters who supposedly voted in the Dems.

What dmsid they thought they would achieve to be done gun bans? carbon taxes?
edit on 7-10-2019 by ChefFox because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 7 2019 @ 12:45 PM
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Just to simplify this - Trump in a phone call asked Ukraine to investigate the Bidens. During the call, he suggested they don't do much for the U.S. - and they also withheld aid to Ukraine quite recently before this call. These are not lies, these are the facts, agreed to by Trump. Who said it was a very nice call.

And then he doubled down by asking both Ukraine and China to investigate Biden on live TV. And then tried to convince the gullible that he is only doing this to root out corruption. On one guy (and his son). A political opponent for the upcoming election. And people BELIEVE him?

You folks seriously don't have a problem with the sitting POTUS asking foreign countries to help aid him in an upcoming election? Because that is what he is doing. It has nothing to do with corruption. You would need to be laughably naive to actually believe that. It's just another lie from a President who spouts out lies DAILY.

The dude is a menace and a hazard to our country. He is out for one person. And it's not you. Nor anyone else in the United States. He is looking out for himself - that's it. That is all he ever cares about. How he looks to others, how much praise he gets for anything anyone else does, how he deflects ALL negative criticism onto others. He is the epitome of a bad leader.

But as far as the impeachment inquiry goes - you know 100% in your heart and mind, if the roles were reversed, and that was Obama on that phone call, you'd be calling for not only impeachment, but probably a treason accusation as well.
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posted on Oct, 7 2019 @ 12:55 PM
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originally posted by: Blue_Jay33
a reply to: Lumenari

Politics is not about the truth or reality anymore it's all about what you want to be be true...so it is.

Before things would happen, and things would calm down and the left and right would get about their business, but the MSM has gone all out to the point they don't even care that they get caught once in while twisting the truth, which they do all the time but don't get called out, and some of the American people believe it because they want to believe it.

Socialist propaganda that brands centrists as traitors has been done before(30's).....and it lead a country to a very dark place.
That is the path America is being pushed forward on.


Let me explain.

You cannot be hard right-wing and centrist. You cannot be hard left-wing and centrist.

The centrist position is between the two extremes.

The centrists are also where the majority is, and pretty much have been historically.

If you have right wing views, you are in a minority. If you have left wing views, you are in a minority.

ATS is a predominantly right-wing site. It is also a conspiracy site. This identifies that the majority of views expressed here, are the views of a minority. It is a right wing echo chamber, so much so that they are even denying that the process of impeachment of 'beloved leader' has been initiated and now ratified with a majority in the house.

So, take what everyone is wailing about with a grain of salt.



posted on Oct, 7 2019 @ 01:11 PM
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originally posted by: thedigirati

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Helious
I'd like to add, just because you don't like a person, agree with what they say or despise their political or moral values can you make up lies about them and parade them as fact in clever ways to affect the masses and hope that the truth of the matter wont win out.

Democrats have been trying so hard for decades to dumb down their voter base and it's worked but unfortunately, that voter base is still under 50% of the population.

Give it another college go in another 5 years.


It seems to me that the Democrats, socialists and liberals are over-represented in universities and colleges.

If anyone is 'dumbing down', it's clearly not them.



Did you REALLY say this??

it went totally over your head

and you replied like this

exactly the "dumbing down" crowd

Lots of liberals in College, so they are smart

did you get a degree in gender studies too? maybe it was a PHD (piled higher and deeper)

and the fact you MISSED the point was even more humorus

I should not have pointed it out though, I can't............

不不不不不不不不不不不莞

ZooooooooooooooM Whoooooosh


I never really went for the humanities. Something about my Asbergers personality type. I did briefly study Theology, but didn't complete anything. My field was Astrophysics.

Nor did I attend any American university. I would really have loved a teacher as gifted as Wheeler, but you do the best in the situation's you are in.

I didn't get a pHD primarily because I moved to another country, had a family to support and the opportunity to resume studies never came to the fore again.

How about you? What is your credential?



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posted on Oct, 7 2019 @ 01:38 PM
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And my post was before I realized he tweeted about his "Great and unmatched wisdom." Dude sounds like a narcissistic dictator. I mean, I know he is a narcissist, but man...



posted on Oct, 7 2019 @ 01:46 PM
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a reply to: chr0naut

Couldn't say it any better myself.

/thread



posted on Oct, 7 2019 @ 02:07 PM
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a reply to: chr0naut

I had a 6 year scholarship for astrophysics at rice university

I was the prot矇g矇 of a double PhD for 6 years before that 147 IQ

Read and read for 6 years about the world and the universe

Got so tired of school I chucked it and joined the USMC

I circled the world 3 times and met 1000's of people

I got to go to all those places I had read about

I lived in Hawaii been close to were you live too

I pulled my head out of books and learned about real life.

Do you believe the big bang as a one off or repeating cycles

Or are you more a string theory guy?

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posted on Oct, 7 2019 @ 02:16 PM
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Update... the intelligence Community Inspector General knowingly changed the Whistleblower Complaint Form in order to help The Whistleblower and to hurt president Trump.

www.breitbart.com... -form/



posted on Oct, 7 2019 @ 02:35 PM
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a reply to: carewemust

Hmm this is not going to help the liberals i think.



posted on Oct, 7 2019 @ 02:43 PM
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a reply to: tinner07

I think it's laughable when people talk about fear in politics. Pretty much tells me that no matter which side you blindly vote for you aren't capable of reasoned thinking.

It's the same tactic I see the media use all the time when talking about those 4 dingbats in the house or how Trump is afraid of Nancy Pelosi.

The simple fact that you call Trump a POS and aren't wondering why dirty old joe is getting the shakedown is sad.

I really don't understand the party voter disconnect with reality here---Hunter Biden was dishonorably discharged for drugs while serving. He got a DUI. He decided to cheat on his wife with his brothers widow then dumped her for some bimbo. Granted the bimbo part was after his dad was the VP---but just how often do you see someone dishonorably discharged from the military ending up being a advisor to people in Ukraine and China if it wasn't for his daddy?

How can anyone on the left cry and Trump when their own politicians have made themselves fantastically wealthy while being politicians. Even the slower Brits are waking up to the fact that only 18% of Parliament has ever worked in a regular job



posted on Oct, 7 2019 @ 05:59 PM
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a reply to: atlantiswatusi

Have you seen the articles on Adam Schiff in Acts of ^*&^^%&^& at The Standard Hotel!



posted on Oct, 7 2019 @ 05:59 PM
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originally posted by: thedigirati
a reply to: chr0naut

I had a 6 year scholarship for astrophysics at rice university

I was the prot矇g矇 of a double PhD for 6 years before that 147 IQ

Read and read for 6 years about the world and the universe

Got so tired of school I chucked it and joined the USMC

I circled the world 3 times and met 1000's of people

I got to go to all those places I had read about

I lived in Hawaii been close to were you live too

I pulled my head out of books and learned about real life.

Do you believe the big bang as a one off or repeating cycles

Or are you more a string theory guy?


I am currently entertaining the idea that the Big Bang was both a one-off and part of a sequence. Primarily because time itself is not linear in the situation around a singularity. It can approximate a closed time-like curve.

I also think that there is significance in how time can be understood to be part of a dimensional continuum where 'directionality' is first constrained (giving rise to the 'arrow of time' rather than being traversible in any direction) and then the constraint becomes total for the higher order 'dimensionalities'. I feel (unjustifiably, perhaps) that it is something that we definitely have evidence for, which falls entirely outside our ability for mathematics or physics to explain. This indicates that a fundamental understanding is there waiting for someone's mind to grasp, but eludes us presently.

Additionally, I believe that the boundary condition of the universe is such that the Higgs field is un-established at that point, which in turn allows for superluminal expansion and then, with the establishment of the Higgs field, the angular momentum of the expansion converts to zero point energy and the expansion within the universal boundary is effectively 'frozen' out.

Anyway, a couple of pet theories I have been toying with. But way off topic. Apologies.

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posted on Oct, 7 2019 @ 06:04 PM
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a reply to: chr0naut

Not sure if superluminal is the correct term for the expansion (granted my knowledge maybe 40 some years old)

at the time it was thought that beacuse the "envelope" of the universe is all there is anyhting outside it would not hinder that expansion

(I got to spend a week with carl Sagan in 1978, it was awesome)



posted on Oct, 7 2019 @ 06:13 PM
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originally posted by: thedigirati
a reply to: chr0naut

Not sure if superluminal is the correct term for the expansion (granted my knowledge maybe 40 some years old)

at the time it was thought that beacuse the "envelope" of the universe is all there is anyhting outside it would not hinder that expansion

(I got to spend a week with carl Sagan in 1978, it was awesome)


Lucky you! Sagan!

Anyway, yes, that is what I meant by a boundary condition. Superluminal really refers to the outer edge expansion covering distances that would imply faster than light movement of mass, had it all originated from a single spatial point (the singularity).

Additionally, the existence of Blue Outliers at the limit of the observable universe, evidences either against a one-off BB or that the Hubble constant falls out of optical Doppler shift and objects older than the BB are a conundrum, too.



posted on Oct, 7 2019 @ 10:20 PM
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a reply to: Gorgonite


So far, we have seen a whistleblower complaint, transcript, and text messages in which it appears Trump withheld aid from a country under siege until they gave him an investigation into Joe Biden.


Well since you say this then the burden of proof is upon you.
Please provide the exact quote and a link where President Trump did this.



posted on Oct, 7 2019 @ 11:40 PM
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"They will call us Americans traitors for not thinking like they do."

But your side is not merely thinking differently. Your side is trying to impeach the president.
That effects everyone directly.
You disagree with the president?
Great, vote him out of office next election.
You think we all loved the job Obama did?
His presidency was an absolute joke.
Our side didn't try impeaching him the way your side is.
Do you call out your side when it makes American citizens actually AFRAID to wear an article of clothing supporting their own president in their own country?

No, you haven't called it out because you are all the worst kinds of hypocrites.
You point fingers and make accusations while you all do ten times worse and you know it.

People wear MAGA hats and mind their own business and get viciously beaten for it. It just happened again in New York.

Let me tell you something, Americans who viciously assault their fellow Americans because they support the president ARE traitors to this country my friend.

Your party is a joke. You are either willfully ignorant or you are pushing an agenda that involves socialism, communism, Marxism, Dictatorships or some twisted combination of all 4.

Go ahead and make a prediction about impeachment, then another about the 2020 election. Do it right now I dare you to.

I want everyone to be able to cut and paste your predictions on November 9th.

Fake intellectuals never make predictions.



posted on Oct, 8 2019 @ 12:13 AM
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a reply to: fleabit

Wow, a sane voice .......haven't heard one of those around here (or on most media) for awhile. Thanks for speaking up.



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