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originally posted by: TzarChasm
originally posted by: Raggedyman
originally posted by: TzarChasm
a reply to: Raggedyman
God creates His equal, humanity, for relationship, to love and care for an be loved and cared for. The universe was created for us to exist and learn and grow in so we can learn right from wrong
You do not worship or pray to your equals. Maybe you don't know what equal means?
The OP explicitly requested a science perspective, not creationist dogma. Feel free to revisit the original post.
Please do not give a creationist view - I'm not saying that is impossible - But we already know about creationist viewpoints.
I would like to hear a scientific/philosophical perspective - even if it is weird or strange.
So far this pissing contest has yielded nothing new...
Funny, then scientific belief on this subject is dogma, faith and assumption
There is no scientific perspective
As for worshiping, praying to our equals. We are not quite there yet, just in case you didn’t notice and just to add a little more, it’s only my opinion and I could be wrong
Everybody here keeps telling me They have a right to express my opinion but I don’t? Because it offends you?
Feel free to express your opinion in an arena made for dissecting and debunking it.
Also appears the OP has returned for the purpose of underlining the point I made earlier about the focus of this discussion. Less cult dogma and more scientific observation and theory.
originally posted by: Raggedyman
originally posted by: TzarChasm
originally posted by: Raggedyman
originally posted by: TzarChasm
a reply to: Raggedyman
God creates His equal, humanity, for relationship, to love and care for an be loved and cared for. The universe was created for us to exist and learn and grow in so we can learn right from wrong
You do not worship or pray to your equals. Maybe you don't know what equal means?
The OP explicitly requested a science perspective, not creationist dogma. Feel free to revisit the original post.
Please do not give a creationist view - I'm not saying that is impossible - But we already know about creationist viewpoints.
I would like to hear a scientific/philosophical perspective - even if it is weird or strange.
So far this pissing contest has yielded nothing new...
Funny, then scientific belief on this subject is dogma, faith and assumption
There is no scientific perspective
As for worshiping, praying to our equals. We are not quite there yet, just in case you didn’t notice and just to add a little more, it’s only my opinion and I could be wrong
Everybody here keeps telling me They have a right to express my opinion but I don’t? Because it offends you?
Feel free to express your opinion in an arena made for dissecting and debunking it.
Also appears the OP has returned for the purpose of underlining the point I made earlier about the focus of this discussion. Less cult dogma and more scientific observation and theory.
He asked for a philosophical perspective
In English that means
I explained why the world was created not how
Calm down tc you are over reacting
originally posted by: TzarChasm
originally posted by: Raggedyman
originally posted by: TzarChasm
originally posted by: Raggedyman
originally posted by: TzarChasm
a reply to: Raggedyman
God creates His equal, humanity, for relationship, to love and care for an be loved and cared for. The universe was created for us to exist and learn and grow in so we can learn right from wrong
You do not worship or pray to your equals. Maybe you don't know what equal means?
The OP explicitly requested a science perspective, not creationist dogma. Feel free to revisit the original post.
Please do not give a creationist view - I'm not saying that is impossible - But we already know about creationist viewpoints.
I would like to hear a scientific/philosophical perspective - even if it is weird or strange.
So far this pissing contest has yielded nothing new...
Funny, then scientific belief on this subject is dogma, faith and assumption
There is no scientific perspective
As for worshiping, praying to our equals. We are not quite there yet, just in case you didn’t notice and just to add a little more, it’s only my opinion and I could be wrong
Everybody here keeps telling me They have a right to express my opinion but I don’t? Because it offends you?
Feel free to express your opinion in an arena made for dissecting and debunking it.
Also appears the OP has returned for the purpose of underlining the point I made earlier about the focus of this discussion. Less cult dogma and more scientific observation and theory.
He asked for a philosophical perspective
In English that means
I explained why the world was created not how
Calm down tc you are over reacting
You appear to be the only one who thinks so. Imagine that.
And philosophy is concerned with the relationship between facts and psychology. Ignoring facts is not philosophy.
originally posted by: musicismagic
To answer your question, by the way, its a very good question. One must enlighten oneself to the understanding of "it exist because it exist". Then it is very easy for the brain to comprehend that, as one sees a dew worm at night crawling, it exist because it exist in its own little world. The universe exist because its there in harmony with its own existence .
originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Itisnowagain
And around, and around, and around, and round you go Itisnowagain.
Ile gives you this, your consistent.
Whos life, yours, mine, my dogs the hamsters or Darth fecking Vaders?
I mean you must see your predicament?
Who are you taking to if not other people that are separate from yourself?
Maybe we are all BOTS or have the voices in your head learned to type?
originally posted by: NorEaster
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This link will detail the ridiculously simple emergence of physical reality, and how inevitable its occurrence was.
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Fine-Tuning—Evidence of Purposeful Design?
When they examine the laws of nature, many investigators balk at the notion of a cosmos without purpose. They are impressed, for example, by the fundamental forces that regulate the universe. The laws underlying these forces appear to have been fine-tuned in such a way as to produce a universe capable of supporting life. “Changing the existing laws by even a scintilla could have lethal consequences,” says cosmologist Paul Davies. For example, if protons were slightly heavier than neutrons, rather than slightly lighter as they are, all protons would have turned into neutrons. Would that have been so bad? “Without protons and their crucial electric charge,” explains Davies, “atoms could not exist.”
The electromagnetic force attracts electrons to protons, allowing molecules to form. If this force were significantly weaker, electrons would not be held in orbit around the nucleus of an atom, and no molecules could form. If, on the other hand, this force were much stronger, electrons would be stuck to the nucleus of an atom. In that case, chemical reactions and life would simply be impossible.
A slight difference in the electromagnetic force would affect the sun and the solar energy that reaches our earth. Such a difference could easily make photosynthesis in plants difficult or impossible. So the precise strength of the electromagnetic force determines whether life on earth is possible or not.*
The book Science & Christianity—Four Views has an interesting way of illustrating the delicacy of the balance of forces and elements in the cosmos. The writer asked his readers to visualize an explorer’s visit to an imaginary “control room for the whole universe.” There, the explorer observes rows and rows of dials that can be set to any value, and he learns that each has to be calibrated to a precise setting in order for life to be possible. One dial sets the strength of the force of gravity, one the strength of electromagnetic attraction, another the ratio between the mass of the neutron and the proton, and so on. As the explorer examines these numerous dials, he sees that they could have been set to different values. It also becomes clear to him, after meticulous calculation, that even a small change in any one of the dial settings would modify the architecture of the cosmos in such a way that life in it would cease to exist. Yet, each dial is set to precisely the right value needed to keep the universe running and habitable. What should the visitor deduce about how the dials came to be set the way they are?
Astronomer George Greenstein states: “As we survey all the evidence, the thought insistently arises that some supernatural agency—or, rather, Agency—must be involved. Is it possible that suddenly, without intending to, we have stumbled upon scientific proof of the existence of a Supreme Being?”
What do you think? Which explanation best fits the fine-tuning observable in the cosmos? Purposeful design or mindless process?
‘We’re Just Here—That’s All There Is to It’
Atheists, of course, have their counterarguments. Some shrug off the apparent fine-tuning in nature, saying: ‘Of course the observable universe is capable of supporting human life. If it weren’t, we wouldn’t be here to worry about it. So there’s really nothing to explain. We’re just here, and that’s all there is to it.’ But do you find that a satisfying explanation for our existence? [whereislogic: similar to musicismagic's "it exists because it exists"]
Another argument is that it will someday be proved that only one possible set of numbers can work in the equations that express the fundamental laws of nature. That is, the dials mentioned above had to be turned to the right settings for the universe to exist at all. Some say, ‘It’s that way because it had to be that way!’ Even if this circular reasoning were true, it would still not provide an ultimate explanation for our existence. In short, is it just a coincidence that the universe exists and that it is life-supporting?
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originally posted by: Blue Shift
When you were around three years old you became self-aware, and the universe was created. When you die, the universe will collapse. Just wait and see.
originally posted by: whereislogic
originally posted by: NorEaster
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This link will detail the ridiculously simple emergence of physical reality, and how inevitable its occurrence was.
You have a convoluted way of presenting the well-used argument that it is that way because it had to be that way (summed up with the word "inevitable", others have used the expression: out of "necessity", or sometimes they use the phrase "chance and necessity" with which they are referring to a mindless process as opposed to the conclusion that it was by purposeful design, regarding the 'how' question, the causal factors or factor). It's really not a new way of thinking about the subject. It's a worn-out cop-out that involves circular reasoning.
Purposeful Design or Mindless Process? Awake!—2009
originally posted by: TzarChasm
originally posted by: Blue Shift
When you were around three years old you became self-aware, and the universe was created. When you die, the universe will collapse. Just wait and see.
Some believe that when we blink, the universe does too. Are these the same people who believe our planet is the center of existence? Who knows...
originally posted by: TzarChasm
a reply to: Raggedyman
Again, ignoring facts is not wisdom or love of it. It is love of ignorance. Which we deny. Philo Sophia.
This sniper enjoys that no scope game.
1. I do not respond to you becuase I do not believe what you write is worth responding to.
2. If you do not like posts I start troll someone elses posts instead or start your own
- I will not respond to any post you start.