This post is for a discussion about the Barret .416 caliber weapons system. What you will find here is information on the Barrett .416 ammunition and
some of the choices for weapons built to work in this caliber. It includes some images, a discussion of the reasons for Barrett in it's development of
this round and some of of the offerings as far ammunition types and suppliers as well as some about reloading these rounds. This I feel is important
because training with any of the bigger rounds like this can become a very expensive hobby. If you are already trained on this weapons platform I hope
you will provide us with some user first hand experiences.
I have fired the .416 Barrett but do not yet own one. I thought I would share some of my research into this subject while I save up the money to
invest in this weapons platform.
The reason for Barrett to develop this .416 caliber is 2 fold. It was designed in response to a request for a medium/heavy rifle cartridge combination
that was issued from Naval Surface Warfare Center Crane Division in late 2004.
The reason that most are familiar is the California law changes that happened under Governor Schwarzenegger. He was set to require that at first they
would all require registration of all 50 caliber BMGs with the state. It ended becoming an outright ban of course.
Sales in California went through the floor as you might imagine. No crimes had ever been committed using the 50 Caliber BMG so this was strictly a
move by Arnold out of paranoia in the opinion of many. I am guessing that at some point he thought that owners of these weapons or those who might
steel one from its owner might use one to go and thin out the limorat population in the state since the 50 BMG is effective for anti light armor
roles. That is my guess anyway. What happened was Chris Barrett, son of Ronnie Barrett, with the help of Pete Forras designed the .416 using some NACA
low-supersonic-drag equations to design the shape.
The .416 has proven itself to be a superior sniper and anti-sniper weapon and is widely adopted by law enforcement agencies world wide for this role
replacing the .338 Lapua which has outstanding exterior ballistics but is not up for taking those very long shots. The 416 does not have the
anti-armor abilities of the 50BMG but as you can see in the video I will place within the OP it certainly still has some use in that role. Next lets
compare the basic data on what sets the .416 to the 50 caliber.
.416 Barrett next to the 50 cal.
As you can see the sheer size and weight of the 50 cal is a great deal larger than the .416 round.
This ammunition is offered in both solid copper for training and also in solid brass. Wildcats abound but shooting reloads will void the warranty of
many of the rifles built for the .416 so you are stuck paying about $7 for the copper rounds and about $11 per round for the solid brass cersion which
has the best exterior ballistics in this caliber right out of the box from the Barrett company and their dealers.
This is the brass offering for this round.
Now lets cover the weapons in this .416 caliber. The round was built for the Barrett M99 A1 which was built specifically for this round. These rifles
start out in the $3,850 range and are built by Tombstone Tactical.
From the manufacturer
Barrett 99-416 Single Shot 416 Barrett 32" Black Black Bi-Pod 13303
Action - Single Shot
Barrel Length - 32"
Description - Bi-Pod
Finish/Color - Black
Caliber - 416 Barrett
Grips/Stock - Black
Manufacturer - Barrett
Manufacturer part # - 13303
Model - 99-416
For that kind of money you get a rifle that has about the same kick as a good quality battle rifle chambered in the very popular .300 AAC Blackout.
This due to the inclusion of the very large muzzle break you see in the above image as well as a good buffer spring internally and some recoil
lessening features in the included stock.
This for me puts purchasing one of these weapons out more than a year for me and so I started looking at the low end of the rifles built for the .416
round. I wanted something with a 32 inch barrel and a decent muzzle break and shock absorbing features to lessen the wear and tear of a long range
day. I am not a youngster any more so it takes a little while to recover for me now.
For these reasons price and function I think I am going to go with Noreen ULR .416 which is not too far out of my budget costing about $2,380. I can
purchase a lot of ammo and other kit for it with the $1,470 I will save and i can get started training with it a lot sooner.
As you can see from this image the Noreen ULR .416 is simple in design.
This rifle like the M99 A! from Tombstone Tactical was build for this caliber. It is not a bad offering in my view but it fires the .416 Barrett
rounds just as sure as the more expensive offerings. The video below shows some of the power of this round while the video authors have fun blowing
right through about a 2 inch thick bullet proof glass panel.
Banning the .50 BMG inspired the creation of this BETTER rifle.
some more images of the Noreen ULR .416 rifle.
In a future post to this thread I will discuss reloading the .416 since the OP has run on a bit longer than I anticipated. Happy hunting shooters.
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Anything Ronnie Barrett makes is worthy of discussion.
In the case of the .41 it is a very accurate and reasonable rifle especially in states that have banned the 50 cal. I'm not sure you could make the
case that its better or worse in terms of accuracy or ballistics as there are way to many factors to consider.
Make no mistake its a killer over watch weapon.
I have fired a 50 cal rifle, but not the 41 as there are very few ranges in my area that allow anything above a 338
It does not have the armor penetration of the 50BMG but will punch through thick bullet proof glass or a 3/8" AR500 steel plate target at 300 meters.
It will also have shooters making 1 mile head shots under the right conditions and accurately placing rounds on a man sized target out to 1.5 miles.
This round will not drop below supersonic out to about 1.6 miles. The very popular sniper weapons in the .388 Lupua starts tumbling and yawing at
about 1,600 yards by comparison. It does not have the energy at 1.5 miles to do much damage to hardened targets but at 1,000 - 1,500 meters hiding
behind your vehicle is not much cover against the .416 Barrett.
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Thanks. So that tracks with what I was thinking. Modern AMRs, if I understand correctly, are very similar to the antitank rifles of the early years
of World War II. The antitank role is gone, but they're great for destroying something like a piece of radar gear or a truck packed with electronics.
The weapon you're highlighting here should be easily capable of destroying anything without real armor plate.
The .416 family of cartridges has an interesting evolution. Barrett was far from the first to experiment with it.
The very first .416 cartridge was the .416 Rigby, originally created in 1911. It fired cordite instead of smokeless powder. Later the cartridge was
modified to fire smokeless powder. It was originally created as a dangerous game caliber.
The next generation of .416 cartridges started out as a 'wildcat' round by necking down a .458 Win Mag. This resulted in the .416 Taylor. The idea
was to create a dangerous game cartridge which would cycle in a standard Mauser magnum rifle action. Standard rifle actions were much lighter and
therefore easier to employ from heavy cover.
Later Austrian Horst Grillmayer created the .416 TYR which had superior ballistics at the time. The .416 TYR is strikingly similar in size and case
dimensions to the .416 Barrett. The case diameter of the .416 TYR was a custom whereas the case diameter of the .416 Barret is based off of the .50
BMG. In fact, the .416 Barrett is a wildcat of the .50 BMG, having been shortened and necked down.
All that said, Barrett is onto something with the .416 Barrett. Whether they lucked into it by playing around with the .50 BMG, or whether they
planned it from the get go, the .416 has some pretty impressive ballistics. Here's a quick comparison...
The .50 BMG has a muzzle velocity of 2825 fps and a muzzle energy of 12,650 ft lbs.
The .416 Barrett has a muzzle velocity of 3250 fps and a muzzle energy of 9,430 ft lbs.
So the .416 Barret should shoot a little flatter than the .50 BMG.
Interestingly, there's another cartridge being developed off of the .50 BMG and it is also developed by Horst Grillmayer. This is the .460 Steyr. It
too is a necked down .50 BMG; it is longer than the .416 Barrett so it will still require a .50 BMG sized action, but technically should comply with
the .50 BMG ban. And, this puppy is a real hammer too!
The .460 Steyr has a muzzle velocity of 3,000 fps and a whopping 12,050 ft lbs of muzzle energy, on par with the .50 BMG.
ETA - Another cartridge you might want to look into is the .408 CT (or Cheyenne Tactical). 2900 fps and 10,630 ft lbs. It is currently being used by
the Marine Corps. special forces guys overseas.
Size comparison for scale
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The .460 Steyr Seems to have evolved in much the same manner as the .416 Barrett. I have yet to fire one or even see one at any of the gun shows in
Oklahoma or Texas that I go to. I live close to the border of those 2 states out in the boonies. Lots of private ranges around so I get the
opportunity to shoot various big calibers and no one cares out here.
i am not sure when we might see weapons and ammo in .460 Steyr around here. The .416 Barretts are just at the top of my budget range at present. It
will be the biggest system I have ever owned for certain. For myself I have a Mosin and a Remington 30-06 rifles as my big guns at present. I don't
shoot either of them that much because they don't have muzzle breaks and other felt recoil dampening devices like the bigger more modern rifles.
That was a good history briefing on the .416 rounds. I learned a lot of that while I was looking for ammunition and reloading supplies for the .416
Barrett. Reloads are going to be important for me on my budget in the long run. I have been looking a lot at some of the propellants best suited for
the rounds for various loads. There is quite a bit of economical brass out there available even clean re-primed brass ready to accept powder loads and
have the bullets pressed in to them saving about $3 per round.
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I guess I'm a little confused. You've talked about shooting hard targets out beyond 1,000 yards and head-shots out to a mile or more. At one point
you even discussed hitting targets out to 1.5 miles. I'm sure you do realize there are only a handful of people in the world who are capable of
shooting at these distances (reliably) even when equipped with a firearm capable of doing it. At these distances being able to control things like
breathing and heart rate as well as match grade trigger control are critically important. Then there's rifle specific loads, and exquisite
understanding of ballistics for the loaded round. It's not the gun at these ranges, it's more about the shooter. Yet you state you only own a .30-06
and 8mm Mosin.
Have you ever shot at these distances? What are you wanting to accomplish? A .30-06 will shoot reliably out to 1,000 yards (albeit with ridiculous
hold-over) and so will the 5.56 x 45mm NATO (~.223). I can't speak for an 8mm as I don't own one. My point is, if you're wanting to get into long
distance shooting you don't have to invest in something like a .416 Barrett to do it. I've shot High-Power matches with a .223 (and High-Power is out
to 700 yards). We do that on a 1,000 yard Olympic range. Just for fun once I shot some 1,000 yard shots. A fella better understand wind (i.e. have
wind tables) and the exact performance characteristics of his loadings to accomplish any degree of accuracy and repeatability. AND, you really need a
spotter to have any reliability. This is only at 1,000 yards, fully 700-1,000 yards less than the distances you're talking about.
The .416 Barrett is going to be heavy, so it's probably unlikely to ever see any field time, mostly just the range. It's not like you'll be taking it
deer or elk hunting, it's just too heavy (the muzzle brake alone probably weighs 2 lbs.). Plus, that big muzzle brake might make the recoil more
manageable, but that's a trade-out for muzzle blast. So the muzzle blast will be deafening much like the .50 BMG is. You'll never shoot it without
Just some things to think about. I mean, if your heart is just set on the .416 Barrett just because you want one, then get it. But if you're wanting
to get into long range shooting you don't need a Barrett to do it.
Just for the record; I've got some bench guns in .223 and .22-250 and they'll shoot all day long out beyond 500 yards in sub-1" groups (think prairie
dog type accuracy). I also have a Weatherby Mk V chambered in .270 WBY Mag (essentially a necked down .300 H&H Belted Magnum case) which will shoot
flat out beyond 700 yards, and easily knock down targets beyond 1,000.
On the other hand, if you really want a Barrett then what I would suggest is just going ahead and getting a .50 BMG Barrett, and not screwing around
with the .416 chambering. Doesn't sound like you live in Commiefornia, so you shouldn't have to worry...unless of course you plan on taking out
up-armored Humvee's around LA from over a mile away! (j/k)
BTW...for those possibly interested, here is a good video of the differences in muzzle blast between a .338 Lapua round and a .50 BMG. The guy with
the .50 BMG starts shooting at 1:36 in the video. The first sniper is shooting a .338 Lapua mag. The difference is spectacular. The .338 just goes
bang. The .50 BMG blows plaster chunks off the walls and ceiling just from the concussion and muzzle blast!
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While we're on the subject of long range shooting, I'll tell you about the longest shot I ever witnessed.
One time growing up in Wyoming a couple friends and I were driving down a road with a power line along it. At one point one of my buddies hollered to
stop. I stopped and he asks if we can see the crow on top of the telephone pole. I'm squinting and can't see a thing so I grabbed my binoculars.
Sure enough there was a crow sitting on top of a pole and it was WAY TF out there! By this time he's gotten his .300 WBY Mag out and uncased and is
chambering a round. We tell him he's crazy and there's no way he'll ever hit that crow. BANG! **counting one one thousand...two one thousand..three
one thous...** POOF!! Black cloud of feathers!! We're all laughing and carrying on.
Then we start driving slowly, counting telephone poles between us and where Stuart hit this bird. Counted (14) poles between us and the bird. The
poles were 100 yards apart, so that was a 1,400 yard shot...from a standing position...with no bench rest!! Got to the crow and it was a head-shot
right at the top of the body. UN-BELIEVABLE!!
I would have never believed someone could do that if I hadn't witnessed it with my own eyes!
That was a heck of a shot for certain. Head shot on a crow at 1,400 yards unsupported is extremely impressive. Was that with a factory load? Was it a
Weatherby load? Just curious as my dad really loved his 300 Weatherby. I grew up shooting that rifle. I also loved shooting the 303 British.
I think the head-shot part was just pure luck (I doubt he could even resolve a head at that distance, even with a 9x scope), but that he hit the crow
at all was amazing. How he even saw that bird to begin with was amazing. That's why I say it was the best shot I ever witnessed. No way I could
have made that shot, not then and probably not now, and I'm a pretty good shot.
The load was just a Weatherby factory load right out of the box. I don't recall the bullet weight. I was the one who did all the reloading, and I
only had dies for my .270 Weatherby mag (among others).
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