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posted on Oct, 3 2019 @ 11:08 PM
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So. Apparently Alexander Downer, Australia's former foreign minister and diplomat who is at the centre of a controversy involving foreign interference in 2016 US election is a leftist socialist spy. That is interesting. A little background on Alexander Downer.

Alexander Downer was Australia's foreign minister from 1996 until 2007. He was a senior member of Australia's conservative Liberal party. For the Americans, this can be a little confusing. The Liberal Party, which is in Coalition with the Country National Party, is our Conservative party. It is of the right of the political spectrum. Our liberals are the equivalent of the British Tories or the US republicans. Our 'centre left' party is the Labor Party just to put it in perspective.

Alexander downer is deep. He comes from an aristocratic family that owns mansions in the prestigious area of the Adelaide hills in my home state of South Australia. Their family is old money. Alexander Downer is deeply conservative, he is the opposite of a socialist. He was foreign minister of Australia's most right wing government in history until that time, the Howard Government 1996-2007. Prime Minister Howard was in New York when 9/11 occurred and when the US decided to go into Afghanistan, Alexander Downer was right there committing us. Likewise, Howard and Downer were there from the beginning in supporting the US in its endeavour in Iraq. There is probably a whole rabbit hole of conspiracy in there but I won't go into that.

Basically, in May 2016, Downer was having drinks in a wine bar with George Papadopoulos. Papadopoulos said some stuff that downer thought the US authorities might be interested in. This became a key factor in the Mueller investigation. Because of this, there is now this idea that somehow, Downer is a leftist spy that was seeking to support Hillary and undo Trump. Is that the case? I'd like to hear ATS's ideas?





Alexander Downer: the Australian blue blood accused of being an anti-Trump 'spy'

Conservative monarchist who led the charge to have Australia join the second Iraq war is now bizarrely at the centre of an alt-right conspiracy

It’s hard to actually be surprised by a political narrative these days, but Alexander Downer allegedly being a secret leftist spy is one conspiracy that manages to spark mirth, even as the world is burning.

On the political spectrum, Downer, who holds the titles for Australia’s longest serving foreign affairs minister and shortest serving leader of the country’s main conservative party, sits slightly to the right of Margaret Thatcher.

But a night of drinking at the Kensington Wine Rooms in London in May 2016, with a foreign policy adviser to Donald Trump’s campaign, George Papadopoulos, suddenly had Downer marked as a “spy” and “Clinton errand boy” by Trump supporters, spurred on by Papadopoulos, who claimed Downer had been placed there to help bring him, and Trump, down.


www.theguardian.com...




posted on Oct, 3 2019 @ 11:24 PM
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originally posted by: harold223
Apparently Alexander Downer, Australia's former foreign minister and diplomat who is at the centre of a controversy involving foreign interference in 2016 US election is a leftist socialist spy.


If he is a spy he's flamin good at it. This man is no 007. Speaks likes his testicles haven't descended, overweight, supported Howard on Gun Control and the stopping of the illegal boats coming from Indonesia.

His speaking is like the Vice Principle of a Girls Private college but he is pleasant, mannered and will defer his points of view if called out. Not a good loyal wingman.

He's like the sooky kid in class putting his hand up and saying, "Miss, Miss, Jimmy is chewing in class!" Would you trust that kid? Hell no. Send him overseas.

My thoughts,

Bally

edit on 3-10-2019 by bally001 because: mistook



posted on Oct, 3 2019 @ 11:27 PM
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a reply to: harold223
So he is a rat who relays drunk chats?
Nice
Prey tell how would Downer, former prime minister even know who or have time for such a low level staffer?
Or take seriously the drunk chat of such?

Sounds like a rat to me.



posted on Oct, 3 2019 @ 11:29 PM
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originally posted by: bally001

originally posted by: harold223
Apparently Alexander Downer, Australia's former foreign minister and diplomat who is at the centre of a controversy involving foreign interference in 2016 US election is a leftist socialist spy.


If he is a spy he's flamin good at it. This man is no 007. Speaks likes his testicles haven't descended, overweight, supported Howard on Gun Control and the stopping of the illegal boats coming from Indonesia.

His speaking is like the Vice Principle of a Girls Private college but he is pleasant, mannered and will defer his points of view if called out. Not a good loyal wingman.

He's like the sooky kid in class putting his hand up and saying, "Miss, Miss, Jimmy is chewing in class!" Would you trust that kid? Hell no. Send him overseas.

My thoughts,

Bally


Hahaha.. Your opinion of the man and mine are pretty close in regards to the pompous old bugger.



posted on Oct, 3 2019 @ 11:31 PM
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a reply to: harold223

Downer was a honey-pot trap, set for George Papadopoulos.



posted on Oct, 3 2019 @ 11:31 PM
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originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: harold223
So he is a rat who relays drunk chats?
Nice
Prey tell how would Downer, former prime minister even know who or have time for such a low level staffer?
Or take seriously the drunk chat of such?

Sounds like a rat to me.





Perhaps he was told to go there and report...




The Australian diplomat whose tip in 2016 prompted the Russia-Trump investigation previously arranged one of the largest foreign donations to Bill and Hillary Clinton’s charitable efforts, documents show.

Former Australian Foreign Minister Alexander Downer’s role in securing $25 million in aid from his country to help the Clinton Foundation fight AIDS is chronicled in decade-old government memos archived on the Australian foreign ministry’s website.

Downer and former President Clinton jointly signed a Memorandum of Understanding in February 2006 that spread out the grant money over four years for a project to provide screening and drug treatment to AIDS patients in Asia.


Australian diplomat whose tip prompted FBI’s Russia-probe has tie to Clintons

This was entirely coincidental.

LOL

edit on 3-10-2019 by Lumenari because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 3 2019 @ 11:32 PM
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a reply to: Lumenari

en.wikipedia.org...


Sounds accurate imo.



posted on Oct, 3 2019 @ 11:34 PM
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originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: harold223
So he is a rat who relays drunk chats?
Nice
Prey tell how would Downer, former prime minister even know who or have time for such a low level staffer?
Or take seriously the drunk chat of such?

Sounds like a rat to me.





Well, Downer was a crafty, crafty operator. One of those people that lull you into a false sense of comfort before they destroy you. People underestimate him. I despise the man. The point is though, who is he supporting, because leftist he most certainly is not. He is more the G.H.W Bush fanboy type.
edit on 3-10-2019 by harold223 because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 3 2019 @ 11:37 PM
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originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: harold223
So he is a rat who relays drunk chats?
Nice
Prey tell how would Downer, former prime minister even know who or have time for such a low level staffer?
Or take seriously the drunk chat of such?

Sounds like a rat to me.


Do you even know what Papadopolis said and that Downer relayed on to the authorities?

Basically, Papadopolis got drunk and was bragging that he was a Russian spy and was advising the US government.

If someone got drunk and told you they were a traitor, and because you had been privy to top secret information, you knew they were really actually a spy and not lying, would you have informed on him?

It seems to me that to say nothing in that situation would have been the traitorous act.



posted on Oct, 3 2019 @ 11:37 PM
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''Israel directed him to do it'' is being thrown around a lot.

Plus, don't forget there was 'that' donation


Alexander Downer has been dragged further into America's fiery political debate over Russian meddling in US President Donald Trump's 2016 election victory with a new report linking Australia's former foreign affairs minister to a $25 million donation to the Clinton Foundation.

Washington DC-based news website The Hill reported Mr Downer played a role in the Australian government awarding $25 million more than a decade ago to help the Clinton Foundation fight HIV-AIDS in Papua New Guinea and Asia.



posted on Oct, 3 2019 @ 11:41 PM
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originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: harold223
So he is a rat who relays drunk chats?
Nice
Prey tell how would Downer, former prime minister even know who or have time for such a low level staffer?
Or take seriously the drunk chat of such?

Sounds like a rat to me.


Do you even know what Papadopolis said and that Downer relayed on to the authorities?

Basically, Papadopolis got drunk and was bragging that he was a Russian spy and was advising the US government.

If someone got drunk and told you they were a traitor, and because you had been privy to top secret information, you knew they were really actually a spy and not lying, would you have informed on him?

It seems to me that to say nothing in that situation would have been the traitorous act.

No he didn't
That is a lie
www.abc.net.au...
Easily debunked lie at that.



posted on Oct, 3 2019 @ 11:42 PM
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Its worth noting that Alexander Downer and his family are chummy with the Murdochs. But the Murdochs own Fox News.. Is Murdoch playing both sides to foster division? I wonder....



posted on Oct, 3 2019 @ 11:43 PM
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a reply to: chr0naut

The "Papadopolis got drunk" was a rumor never confirmed.

I wonder who would start such smear rubbish ? 😎



posted on Oct, 3 2019 @ 11:46 PM
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originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: harold223

Downer was a honey-pot trap, set for George Papadopoulos.


I stand corrected. It was Mifsud/Halper who sprung the "honey pot" trap.

Now, one thing that I have not mentioned when I've told you the Papadopoulos story all the many times I've told you, is that a woman is involved -- a seductress of sorts -- who was presented to Papadopoulos by both Mifsud and Stefan Halper.

She was Halper's assistant, a teaching assistant, a professor's assistant, and she was used as a lure. Here's this young guy. He's 24 years old, not married at the time -- and, man, they're dazzling him.
news.iheart.com...



posted on Oct, 3 2019 @ 11:48 PM
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Alexander is exactly what his surname suggests, a -

Downer.



posted on Oct, 4 2019 @ 12:19 AM
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Yes, Downer is just a pompous brat pussy/man, who only achieved anything because of his family name and his daddy was an ex politician etc etc.......He's never worked a day in his life.....shuffled through politics because he is too useless to do anything else.

He is still asking his mommy (and wife nowdays) for some "Bitty", keeps his mouth closed for a while, I suppose.

Total waste of oxygen.




posted on Oct, 4 2019 @ 12:35 AM
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a reply to: harold223

Oh yes, smile more for me baby..



He needs to stick in his bath tub, no matter his current words.



posted on Oct, 4 2019 @ 03:22 AM
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Who cares what Downer is, just that he is telling the truth
Trump is a better option than Hilary, doesn’t make though a great bloke though, I am sure Trump is corrupt
We need people telling the truth, no matter how bad it is



posted on Oct, 4 2019 @ 03:22 PM
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Look no further than his close connections to The Clinton
Foundation, Bill Clinton and it becomes apparent what
the motivation is here.

Downer donated a lot of money to The Clinton's,
one has to ask why?



posted on Oct, 4 2019 @ 03:37 PM
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a reply to: harold223




So. Apparently Alexander Downer, Australia's former foreign minister and diplomat who is at the centre of a controversy involving foreign interference in 2016 US election is a leftist socialist spy.

Wrong




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