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Slippery slope but should people who take more taxes than they pay be allowed to vote

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posted on Oct, 2 2019 @ 08:29 PM
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the people voting isn't the problem what the problem is the taxes




posted on Oct, 2 2019 @ 08:29 PM
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a reply to: VforVendettea

Except your husband, of course. Ugh...

"I'm part of the problem, so I'm happy with how it's going." I hope your children get taken away from you when you both go to prison.



posted on Oct, 2 2019 @ 08:30 PM
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originally posted by: tulsi
aren't about 2/3 of American adults on Welfare?

Welfare income written off may yield taking more than paid.

then there's so many ppl with low income that get a refund more than they paid due to credits, etc.

exclude virtually all of Americans from voting??


Where are you getting your numbers from? I'm an American and know plenty of folks and can only name about 2 people that receive any kind of public assistance.



posted on Oct, 2 2019 @ 08:37 PM
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originally posted by: LordAhriman
I make a bit over 100k a year, owning 2 small business and working at Walmart. I have 2 kids of my own, and 2 step kids and I work a ridiculous amount of hours. I get back more than I pay every year after write offs and deductions. F you. Every american has the right to vote.


so you live above your means so I can be forced to live below mine- nice. f you too, buddy.
I chose not to have children because I know I can't afford them. maybe I could if I wasn't paying for yours.
That means society breeds rats, doesn't it?

in all seriousness, though, the money system is the problem. government sold us out over a century ago. if they hadn't most of us would have been born to a family that owned something other than debt.
I don't want to be forced to support your bad financial choices- but if you lived next door and didn't have the means to feed your children, I'd share my stores.
I'm not mean, I'm just not stupid either. if you kept not learning I'd get to take your land when you were forced to move west for longer growing seasons.


there's too many needy folks for the number willing to give.
using government to steal from me to give to you isn't the answer. it won't scale forever- sooner or later the takers will turn on each other.



posted on Oct, 2 2019 @ 08:42 PM
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a reply to: Liquesence

To vote is indeed a privilege, specified by law; thus, it is not a 'right' to vote -- at least in the United States. Sorry for that reality.

So … if you produce, you should be privileged to vote. It really is that simple, IMHO. Some minors could 'produce'; maybe some reformed criminals could 'produce'. I am not for any other restrictions than that actually. I guy in prison is not producing (maybe?) … definitely people on welfare from the state … a guy in a coma isn't … an infant or dependent child isn't. … etc.. Those would be the 'not voting' people.

If you take more than you produce, I would say that is parasitic -- even if hopefully temporary -- but no vote for you until that is rectified and you make yourself productive, at least from my point of opinion.


edit on 2-10-2019 by Fowlerstoad because: added more....



posted on Oct, 2 2019 @ 09:00 PM
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originally posted by: lordcomac
so you live above your means so I can be forced to live below mine- nice. f you too, buddy.
I chose not to have children because I know I can't afford them. maybe I could if I wasn't paying for yours.
That means society breeds rats, doesn't it?

in all seriousness, though, the money system is the problem. government sold us out over a century ago. if they hadn't most of us would have been born to a family that owned something other than debt.
I don't want to be forced to support your bad financial choices- but if you lived next door and didn't have the means to feed your children, I'd share my stores.
I'm not mean, I'm just not stupid either. if you kept not learning I'd get to take your land when you were forced to move west for longer growing seasons.


there's too many needy folks for the number willing to give.
using government to steal from me to give to you isn't the answer. it won't scale forever- sooner or later the takers will turn on each other.


Maybe the craziest rant I've ever seen on the internet. Get help. No, I don't live above my means. I make good money, Walmart is only there for cheap health insurance, and we live very comfortably with plenty of extras. Unless you make upwards of $300k a year, you're not paying for any of my stuff. I do that just fine on my own. I take no welfare other than tax breaks btw. Get 3 jobs and then tell me how unprivaleged you are. So much so that you can't afford kids. LOL!



posted on Oct, 2 2019 @ 09:04 PM
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generational poverty is a thing,

and so is a corruptible voting model (no I'm not talking about Russian Collusion)

and we have some major socioeconomic AND financial system-pandora's boxes opening up. Sounds like doom porn but I'm feeling like this is the advent of a new "Dark Age" 2.0 - Digital/AI Dark Ages

But I'm sure I'll be wrong ..



posted on Oct, 2 2019 @ 09:10 PM
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a reply to: VforVendettea

I agree. The rich blue states donate more taxes to the federal government than they take in. The poor red status enjoy healthy socialism by receiving more money from the federal government than they give to the federal government in taxes.

So it works like this. Each state can only receive 90% of the dollars they citizens of the state pay in taxes the previous year from the federal government. Then the red state free loaders can start paying their fair share.

Map of states that suck more money out than they pay in

Many people in these free loader red states are very much against socialism. It's funny how the people who are most against socialism are the very ones who benefit from it the most.


edit on 2-10-2019 by dfnj2015 because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 2 2019 @ 09:17 PM
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originally posted by: FamCore
generational poverty is a thing,

and so is a corruptible voting model (no I'm not talking about Russian Collusion)

and we have some major socioeconomic AND financial system-pandora's boxes opening up. Sounds like doom porn but I'm feeling like this is the advent of a new "Dark Age" 2.0 - Digital/AI Dark Ages

But I'm sure I'll be wrong ..


Totally agree and economic crisis 8.0 is has been unraveling all year



posted on Oct, 2 2019 @ 09:21 PM
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I've long felt voting should be limited to those who can pass a basic civics test. I also don't have an issue limiting to those who pay federal taxes. Nearly 50% of the population doesn't pay any federal income tax.

When half the people figure out they can vote themselves the other half's money you have a problem...



posted on Oct, 2 2019 @ 09:31 PM
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but should people who take more taxes than they pay be allowed to vote

Explain , in what circumstances , that would happen
Bet you can't



posted on Oct, 3 2019 @ 12:34 AM
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a reply to: VforVendettea
Every legal citizen should have 1 vote even if that citizen is a taker not a producer. Citizens who have income and pay taxes should have one vote plus the precent of that income paid in tax. So if a working citizen makes $30k and pays $3k tax that citizens vote would count a 1.1 votes. Just a thought.



posted on Oct, 3 2019 @ 12:47 AM
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I think everyone should vote.. even felons and dirty bikers and smelly hippies.

I find it strange that money/income/lack of should be a factor in ANYTHING having to do with voting.



posted on Oct, 3 2019 @ 01:14 AM
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a reply to: Advantage
Taxes are your money and you believe everyone has an equal say in how it's spent? I'll take you up on that give me $1k. Of course this is a rhetorical request but the system shouldn't be rigged to favor takers. Also my idea isn't dependent on income level but % paid in tax. Rich people generally pay a smaller % of income in tax (if they have a good accountant) than us mundains.



posted on Oct, 3 2019 @ 01:25 AM
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originally posted by: lowballer
a reply to: Advantage
Taxes are your money and you believe everyone has an equal say in how it's spent? I'll take you up on that give me $1k. Of course this is a rhetorical request but the system shouldn't be rigged to favor takers. Also my idea isn't dependent on income level but % paid in tax. Rich people generally pay a smaller % of income in tax (if they have a good accountant) than us mundains.



You have NO idea what I believe. Taxes as they are applied to us are theft as it is... but even takers are citizens of the country and in my opinion, everyone should have the choice to vote.



posted on Oct, 3 2019 @ 03:43 AM
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Everyone can end up in a situation, where life take a nasty turn that can change your lifestyle completly, would you like to use your voting right then? Would you vote for someone speaking your case or would you vote for someone who dont care at all? If you lose your right to vote, your left to the mercy of people that might just care a tiny bit for the poor the sick the elder with no real pension aswell as the homeless. More often than not, there are other reasons behind, than just beeing poor and homeless. If the States put a real effort into helping those problems, many would probably end up as "contributers" even tho they might still be under your standart of who should be allowed to vote.



posted on Oct, 3 2019 @ 06:31 AM
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originally posted by: dfnj2015
a reply to: VforVendettea

I agree. The rich blue states donate more taxes to the federal government than they take in. The poor red status enjoy healthy socialism by receiving more money from the federal government than they give to the federal government in taxes.

So it works like this. Each state can only receive 90% of the dollars they citizens of the state pay in taxes the previous year from the federal government. Then the red state free loaders can start paying their fair share.

Map of states that suck more money out than they pay in

Many people in these free loader red states are very much against socialism. It's funny how the people who are most against socialism are the very ones who benefit from it the most.



If you could see that map by district instead of the entire state you would understand why the state map is very deceptive. I live in a green state but get absolutely crushed with taxes. Have been for a decade.

I give way more than I receive back. Same goes for most of my district which would be red. The poorer surrounding districts however would be dark green. Massive amounts of money is dumped into those districts which are mostly poor black and hispanic. These are heavily Democrat voting blocks. Mine is Republican.

There are many red areas but it can't be seen looking at it by state. Very similar to Hillary's popular vote bragging rights. Sure, she got more votes but it's heavily concentrated in a few areas. Around the country she was not popular at all so saying she won the popular vote is very misleading. She was only popular in a handful of districts with a lot of people. Outside of that no.

This is why I hate it when stats are broken down by state. It doesn't tell the whole story. Only the story the author wants to tell.
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posted on Oct, 3 2019 @ 07:15 AM
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Gee I don't know. Tough one. Should they be allowed to be President?



posted on Oct, 3 2019 @ 07:23 AM
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The idea of who should vote in a democracy is an old one. Aristotle was of the opinion that voting in a democracy should be open to all and the result should be a representation of the will of the masses. Plato disagreed, he was of the opinion that only the educated should be allowed to vote, as he believed that if you were ignorant of political issues, then you should have no say in the matter. He believed that if everyone votes you would get tyranny by majority.



posted on Oct, 3 2019 @ 08:54 AM
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take more than they pay?

How does that happen?

Are you talking about an earned income tax credit?




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