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Proof that "Man Made Climate Change" is for the weak minded sheep

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posted on Oct, 5 2019 @ 06:39 PM
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originally posted by: Phage

Between 2010 and 2014. Read the title of the paper.


First increase was in 1992 Phage. Then in 2010 there was another increase, and then a bigger one in 2014. The 2014 increase coincides with the magnetic field of the Earth weakening 10 times which also occurred that same year.(2014) Both events indicates something is happening in Earth's core that is causing the magnetic field of Earth to weaken, and has caused an increase in global earthquakes.

Earth's Magnetic Field Is Weakening 10 Times Faster Now


originally posted by: Phage
The paper is about "clustering." Has that four year "trend" continued?


The paper first states, and later continues to state that there is an increase in earthquakes, so it isn't just about "clustering." But they are not sure if the clustering is due to a random process, Poisson process, which they argue for and against as per the data in the paper.


However, there is no evidence that this increase represents a departure from temporally independent earthquake occurrence, as many of these earthquakes are local aftershocks of prior events.


Yet they also stated:


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the largest rate increases we see are not associated with global main shocks.
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And at the end they also stated:


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We do note apparent dependent clustering below this magnitude threshold that cannot be explained by local aftershocks or swarms.
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The only thing they are arguing is whether the clustering is random, if they are caused by main shocks, or if something else could be occurring.
At no time do they argue that there has not been an increase in the amount of earthquakes. They do note that there have been incremental increases in global earthquakes.





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posted on Oct, 5 2019 @ 06:40 PM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse




The 2014 increase coincides with the magnetic field of the Earth weakening 10 times which also occurred that same year.(2014)
No it didn't.

I tried to stick with your gish galloping for a while. I'm done.

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posted on Oct, 5 2019 @ 06:42 PM
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This man made global warming is a real pain - we're just about to have our coldest winter here in the UK in 30 years.
We really need to stop living like this and move back into caves, paying all our wages as carbon taxes. That will fix these cold spells brought about by man made global warming.

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posted on Oct, 5 2019 @ 06:44 PM
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a reply to: Phage

No...I dont believe we can have any effect.

Did any other biological entity have any effect that is noted in our past? As in a semi intelligent one? Nope.

Sure...we are the only intelligent blip that we know of. Why would you think we have some major impact?

Planets are literally everywhere around us. Stars are exploding throughout the universe. These things happen.

Yet here we are, the only "intelligent" lifeform we actually know of, believing we have some major effect on a planet....and not just any planet....the ONLY planet we know of in the entire universe that has actually had multiple lifeforms over billions of years happen to thrive on.

So silly to me. We are nothing and literally influence nothing on this planet. We will pass and ironically pass well before the previous inhabitants.

It is literally the vanity of humanity that believes we are some superior being that can beat the universe....and it is really funny when I hear people say we can combat climate change....

No...we can't...we will pass just as every other being has on this planet....oddly we are just aware of it and can record it for future. However I dont believe any future will come around quickly enough to be able to understand or decode our tech. The next will be the same as we started out....rudimentary and likely hearing about Atlantis or something....



posted on Oct, 5 2019 @ 06:44 PM
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originally posted by: Vasa Croe


You are a smart guy. I am sure you know we take up very little of this planet. We hear about overpopulation and whatever BS. Do you believe we inhabit too.much of the planet?


It's not a question of space, but resources.



Just want to know where you are coming from. I have travelled a little bit. I can say I dont think humans have made even a tiny amount of difference in our world or climate. The earth has been around for many extinctions and will be around for many more.


Yes. Including ours, soon, perhaps.



Why do we, as humans, seem to think we are special and the earth will succumb to our will? It is the ultimate vanity. Regardless of belief in religion or science, we are and always have been doomed to the will of the Earth.



It's not about believing we already are special. It's about wanting to survive. We're trying to become special enough to survive.

If we're just locusts that are going to expand until all the available resources deplete, then we are MOST DEFINITELY NOT special enough to survive.



The green revolution is solely about making money on whatever other tech besides oil we can.

Anywho....enjoy!


That being true doesn't mean human made global warming isn't real.

You're creating a false dichotomy. That either:

A: Global warming is real AND the people trying to sell us expensive remedies are truthful

or

B: Global warming is false AND the people trying to sell us expensive remedies are montebanks and charlatans.


What if instead it is another option.

C: Global warming is real AND the peole trying to sell us expensive remedies are montebanks and charlatans.


It's like when a wealthy person gets an incurable form of cancer. People try to sell them false cures to take advantage of the situation. (But it's still true that they really have cancer and really are dying.)

That's what's happening here.

We've got a real problem, and we're being offered fake solutions.



posted on Oct, 5 2019 @ 06:44 PM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse




originally posted by: bloodymarvelous
Are we all gonna die!!?!? No. But higher temperatures will mean less rainfall world wide, which will dramatically reduce agricultural production. People are gonna starve. And that is going to suck for them.

In the first world, grocery prices will go up. In the third world, well..... it won't be pretty.


WRONG... Warming periods are called "OPTIMUMS" because LIFE THRIVES in warmer climates.


It's quite the opposite. Why do you think there were huge herds of mammoths walking around during the ice age.

Elephants eat over 300 pounds of food per day. Can you imagine living in a world where so much natural vegetation is growing all over the place that huge elephant herds can walk the plains?


Cold doesn't mean there is less sunlight. Not exactly. The ice caps mean less TOTAL sunlight is hitting the Earth as a WHOLE. But if you look at any specific area, like your backyard, there would be the same amount of sunlight hitting it during the ice age as at any other time. It's just not warm outside because heat keeps migrating off to the poles.

So plants end up needing to be robust to endure the cold, but they get just as much sunlight as ever (plus more rainfall.)






Not to mention the fact that atmospheric CO2 sequestration will be what will really devastate global food supplies.
Atmospheric CO2 is at ~400ppm and it has been proven that most plant life benefit with atmospheric CO2 levels between 1,200ppm-1,500ppm. In fact most people whom have greenhouses increase the levels of atmospheric CO2. The optimum level is 1,200ppm -1,500ppm for most plant life.



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Research demonstrates that optimum growth and production for most plants occur between 1200-1500 ppm CO2. These optimum CO2 levels can boost plant metabolism, growth and yield by 25-60%. Plants under effective CO2 enrichment and management display thicker, lush green leaves, an abundance of fragrant fruit and flowers, and stronger, more ...

progressive-growth.com...

At these levels plant life grows stronger, provides more harvests/more food, and plants/trees make better use of water. This means there is more potable water for humans and animals with higher levels of atmospheric CO2.



That is nothing compared to the effect of a shortage of rainfall.



posted on Oct, 5 2019 @ 06:45 PM
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a reply to: UKTruth

Yeah. Some people still think that global warming means no place will ever be cold.



posted on Oct, 5 2019 @ 06:46 PM
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originally posted by: Phage

I tried to stick with your gish galloping for a while. I'm done.


The gish galloping is always coming from you.

Even the graph CLEARLY shows this increase in global earthquakes. Which the seismologists even state several times. But you like to make your own conclusions like always despite what the authors state, or what the evidence shows.



The data they present points to this increase. But just like with other topics in which you want to argue against what other scientists have found out, you want to claim that they are wrong, and only you are right...




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posted on Oct, 5 2019 @ 06:47 PM
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Did any other biological entity have any effect that is noted in our past? As in a semi intelligent one?

Like what for example.
No, we're the only ones who seem to be capable of digging up old carbon and burning it in vast quantities.



posted on Oct, 5 2019 @ 06:48 PM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: UKTruth

Yeah. Some people still think that global warming means no place will ever be cold.


Oh yeah, I forgot, AGW is proven by whatever the weather is on any given day.
It was raining today and it messed up my golf... really need to up my carbon tax payments.
Maybe it can go toward the cost of a new stage lift for Al Gore or acting classes for Greta.
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posted on Oct, 5 2019 @ 06:49 PM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse




The gish galloping is always coming from you.

No. I'm simply trying to address one point at a time.
Perhaps you should look up what the term means.



posted on Oct, 5 2019 @ 06:49 PM
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AGW is proven by whatever the weather is on any given day.

Incorrect.



posted on Oct, 5 2019 @ 06:51 PM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: UKTruth




AGW is proven by whatever the weather is on any given day.

Incorrect.


Don't go off script. High Priestess Greta will not be pleased. How dare you ruin her childhood.
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posted on Oct, 5 2019 @ 06:52 PM
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a reply to: UKTruth

She's a smart kid. Smart kids are often bullied.



posted on Oct, 5 2019 @ 06:57 PM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Vasa Croe




Did any other biological entity have any effect that is noted in our past? As in a semi intelligent one?

Like what for example.
No, we're the only ones who seem to be capable of digging up old carbon and burning it in vast quantities.


Sure we are...and what is wrong with that?

Whatever lived before us was larger and had much larger vegetation that when dead would release much higher levels of gasses.

We dont know the population of prior species from centuries or millennia ago. We can guess.

Also...every single thing we use and make and burn and eat and whatever....it is literally from the earth.

Do you not believe the earth can and will simply regurgitate it a thousand years from now....as it has done with every other thing?

For us, the only "critically thinking" beings we know of to be so vain as to say we can change a planet....well....good luck!

I'd say we can do whatever we want....it will have no impact and we will die in the same time frame the Earth has decided we will.

Been hearing we are killing the earth for years....let me know when it dies.



posted on Oct, 5 2019 @ 06:57 PM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: UKTruth

She's a smart kid. Smart kids are often bullied.


Incorrect.



posted on Oct, 5 2019 @ 07:02 PM
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a reply to: Vasa Croe




Do you not believe the earth can and will simply regurgitate it a thousand years from now....as it has done with every other thing?
Sure. Or we might get hit by a giant meteor next month.


For us, the only "critically thinking" beings we know of to be so vain as to say we can change a planet....well....good luck!
We are changing the chemistry of the atmosphere. We are also changing vegetation patterns. We take vast amounts of water from one place and send it some place else. Yes, we are changing the planet.

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posted on Oct, 5 2019 @ 07:04 PM
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originally posted by: bloodymarvelous

It's quite the opposite. Why do you think there were huge herds of mammoths walking around during the ice age.


Wow... What you are arguing is that Ice Ages are better for life than warming cycles, which goes against all logic and the historical facts.

Humans, and animals, thrive in a warm climate... They don't thrive in an ice age. Even during "regular winters" animals have to spend more time to forage for food because it is scarce...

As a matter of fact human progress, not what the left has made it into, was/is always better during warming cycles. The Renaissance occurred during a warming period..


originally posted by: bloodymarvelous
Elephants eat over 300 pounds of food per day. Can you imagine living in a world where so much natural vegetation is growing all over the place that huge elephant herds can walk the plains?


So you are arguing that during Ice Ages animals have more food? You are insane...

It is obvious you have no knowledge or understanding how life works. During winters trees and most brushes lose leaves, and grass goes into hibernation until spring...

There is more food for animals during Spring and Summer, than during the fall and winters... It is why farmers grow most food in spring/summer and not in "fall winter..."



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posted on Oct, 5 2019 @ 07:04 PM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Vasa Croe




Do you not believe the earth can and will simply regurgitate it a thousand years from now....as it has done with every other thing?
Sure. Or we might get hit by a giant meteor next month.


For us, the only "critically thinking" beings we know of to be so vain as to say we can change a planet....well....good luck!
We are changing the chemistry of the atmosphere. We are also changing vegetation patterns. We take vast amounts of water from one place and send it some place else. Yes, we are changing the planet.


Sure we're changing the planet. We're not going to be all dead in 12 years, though.
The planet will be just fine, even if we don't pay carbon taxes.



posted on Oct, 5 2019 @ 07:05 PM
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a reply to: UKTruth



We're not going to be all dead in 12 years, though.

Sure concentrate on that misstatement. And use it to deny the science.

Do you have any kids? I do.
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