Adam Schiff knew about the whistleblower in advance, may have helped write the complaint

a reply to: mightmight

At what point? The Democrat's "seditious conspiracy" train left the station before Trump was even elected.

a reply to: AndyFromMichigan

NSA records every phone conversation. Maybe they had the original tape.

originally posted by: operation mindcrime
a reply to: AndyFromMichigan

You mean this NYT article..??

NYT

The aide shared some of what the officer conveyed to Mr. Schiff. The aide did not share the whistle-blower’s identity with Mr. Schiff, an official said.

Maybe read the article first..

Peace

And Schiff advised him to file a complaint, despite him having only second-hand knowledge (ie, rumors)? And the form had just been revised to allow rumors to be reported? Uh huh. Sure.

This looks & smells like a conspiracy.
We have this, the Kavenaugh lady, and oh yeah Michael Cohen was also hooked up with a DNC lawyer so his statements could be spun for maximum political impact. (And who gave him bad legal advice to boot, since actual experts were generally of the opinion that Cohen hadn't broken any laws. Edit: At least not relating to campaign finance. No idea about the taxi medallion stuff.)

Three is enough to show a pattern, and that pattern show a conspiracy to abuse the legal system by filing false accusations.

originally posted by: AndyFromMichigan

originally posted by: operation mindcrime
a reply to: AndyFromMichigan

You mean this NYT article..??

NYT

The aide shared some of what the officer conveyed to Mr. Schiff. The aide did not share the whistle-blower’s identity with Mr. Schiff, an official said.

Maybe read the article first..

Peace

And Schiff advised him to file a complaint, despite him having only second-hand knowledge (ie, rumors)? And the form had just been revised to allow rumors to be reported? Uh huh. Sure.

Seems like an accurate discription...

This looks & smells like a conspiracy.
We have this, the Kavenaugh lady, and oh yeah Michael Cohen was also hooked up with a DNC lawyer so his statements could be spun for maximum political impact. (And who gave him bad legal advice to boot, since actual experts were generally of the opinion that Cohen hadn't broken any laws.)

Three is enough to show a pattern, and that pattern show a conspiracy to abuse the legal system by filing false accusations.

Well tis a conspiracy site...

Peace

originally posted by: operation mindcrime
a reply to: shooterbrody

Hmmmm...can't quite follow you there.

So the WB approaches congress about how to handle his complaint. Schiff's aide advises him on the proper procedure and informs Schiff about it.

They then wait for the official complaint and this makes the complaint corrupt? How?

Peace

Its not up to congress to help a whistleblower.
There are actual rules for such.
Quite a coincidence the wb went to the guy trying to impeach the potus?
Lol
Yeah we are that stupid.

originally posted by: mightmight
Just at what point these shenanigans amount to seditious conspiracy?

You are absolutely right. By not abiding by federal election laws Trump could be convicted of sedition.

"President John Adams signed into law the Sedition Act of 1798, which set out punishments of up to two years of imprisonment for "opposing or resisting any law of the United States" or writing or publishing "false, scandalous, and malicious writing" about the President or the U.S. Congress (though not the office of the Vice-President, then occupied by Adams' political opponent Thomas Jefferson). This Act of Congress was allowed to expire in 1801 after Jefferson's election to the Presidency;[46] Jefferson pardoned those still serving sentences, and fines were repaid by the government. This law was never appealed to the United States Supreme Court (which had not yet established its right to invalidate laws passed by Congress) but opponents claimed it was unconstitutional under the First Amendment."

"Today, Common Cause filed a complaint with the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) and the Federal Election Commission (FEC) alleging that President Donald Trump, his personal attorney Rudy Giuliani, and other political operatives illegally solicited a political contribution from a foreign national—by urging Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky and other Ukrainian officials to investigate Hunter Biden and 2020 presidential candidate Joe Biden. The allegations were first published in The Wall Street Journal, and subsequently President Trump admitted that during a July 25th phone call he pressured President Zelensky to pursue the investigation of his political rival and his son.

Federal law prohibits a foreign national from directly or indirectly making a “contribution or donation of money or other thing of value” in connection with a U.S. election. Federal law also prohibits a person from soliciting or providing substantial assistance in the solicitation of such a contribution from a foreign national. Federal law defines “contribution” to include “any gift … of money or anything of value made by any person for the purpose of influencing any election for Federal office.” And the FEC by regulation defines “solicit” to mean “to ask, request, or recommend, explicitly or implicitly, that another person make a contribution, donation, transfer of funds, or otherwise provide anything of value.”"

At this point The Speaker of the House has been discredited as well 😃

Looks like a genuine case of collusion too 😃

originally posted by: shooterbrody
Yeah we are that stupid.

I wouldn't say that but it's entertaining as heck...

Wonder what the pres. of Finland is saying to himself right now after witnessing that meltdown.

Enjoying my popcorn and loving the show...

Peace

News coming out what the state department Inspector General presented to Congress today in closed session. And it's not good news for Biden Hillary or the DNC.

originally posted by: queenofswords
a reply to: AndyFromMichigan

Everybody knew this stunk to high heaven. Adam Schiff is going to get what he deserves. He is a snake, a corrupt lyin' deceitful crooked politician.

Of course he is all those things....he is a Dem.
90% of all Dems in office are those things.
He should put that after his name on all correspondence......Adam Schiff(D), US Rep, House Intel Chairman, Snake, Corrupt, Crooked.
Saves time and saves certain people from being surprised by it.

a reply to: operation mindcrime

Schiff did deny any advanced knowledge of the complaint on MSNBC recently. Then today, the NY Times article reveals that the whistleblower approached Congress for "advice" on how to "handle" his/her complaint.

As a former government employee, I knew where the OIG's office was located and bear in mind, I was a very junior employee. The fact Schiff was untruthful makes it seem suspicious, and the complaint was worded very carefully in legalese. Why, would the whistleblower need advice about the complaint ?

The IG, and I have filed a complaint before is pretty straightforward so that's strange. The complaint is based on second hand information and some inaccurate information, but Schiff stated early on that there was first hand knowledge but what was released didnt state that. He should explain, especially since his past statements of having evidence but never producing it.

I would agree that it's a bit of a stretch at this time to claim he wrote it, but would not be surprised if it comes out that his staff was intimately involved.

a reply to: AndyFromMichigan

And the best the house can do is pass around a document to censure Adam Schiff?

a reply to: DJMSN

The document was written by an attorney. Adam Schiff is an attorney.

Also, someone had access to that top secret server and shared the conversation between President Trump and the president of Ukraine. Did Adam Schiff have access to that top secret server? He is the head of the house intelligence committee.

a reply to: AndyFromMichigan

well shiff also claims to have obtained documents from deutch bank from some guy who had been trying to sell the files for years since his dads suicide www.rawstory.com...

On Tuesday, David Enrich of The New York Times profiled Val Broeksmit — an “unemployed rock musician with a history of opioid abuse and credit card theft” and a “dalliance with North Korea-linked hackers” who also happens to be the son of a deceased executive at Deutsche Bank, the international institution notorious for providing President Donald Trump with much of his business credit. Broeksmit, Enrich reported, has been in touch with the FBI and members of the House Intelligence Committee, trying to blow the whistle on what he believes is far-reaching corruption — and is offering a cache of documents to back it up. “For more than five years, Val Broeksmit has been dangling his Deutsche Bank files in front of journalists and government investigators, dreaming of becoming the next great American whistle-blower,” wrote Enrich. “He wants to expose what he sees as corporate wrongdoing, give some meaning to his father’s death — and maybe get famous along the way. Inside newsrooms and investigative bodies around the world, Mr. Broeksmit’s documents have become something of an open secret, and so are the psychological strings that come attached. I pulled them more than anyone, as part of my reporting on Deutsche Bank for The New York Times and for a book, ‘Dark Towers,’ to be published next year. It has been the most intense source relationship of my career.”

article goes on to pretty much discredit him as he was mostly after money but im pretty sure there are banking confidentiality laws at play here both in germany and usa (guy who is doing this lives in london)

www.businessinsider.com...

"This is a grave charge that appreciably heightens the Committee's concerns about the absence of appropriate safeguards as part of the mandatory audit program and whether statutory codification of such program or other remedial, legislative measures are warranted," he wrote. Neal also stated that his committee had "raised these concerns repeatedly," though IRS Commissioner Charles Rettig had previously referred to the concerns as "unfounded." He said the whistleblower complaint "underscore[s] the pressing need for complete and meaningful oversight."

so even the IRS comissioner says it was bunk and it seems to be mostly talking about stuff from the 1990s which is bluntly not something most on the right even care about what with it being about 26 years before he was president

www.reuters.com... info on dude who killed him self back in 2013

Coroner Fiona Wilcox said there was “clear suicidal intent” in the notes but did not give details of their content. “These notes do provide evidence of intention,” Wilcox said. “I am therefore satisfied ... that William Broeksmit did take his own life.” Deutsche Bank said in a statement after the inquest: “Bill was not under suspicion of wrongdoing in any matter.”

a reply to: DJMSN

I could believe they were heavily involved in writing the complaint and that it is a setup front to back.

But with everything..it's not what you know, it's what you can proof.

I have no horse in this race and I am neither republican or democrate (I'm not even American) but somebody claimed to be very good in 4d chess and this seems like a move on the King.

Very interesting to follow.

I know I keep saying it's entertaining but I really do care for America and what it stands for but these knee jerk reactions just bring out the worst in me.

I wish the end result will be a drained swamp and a bright future for democracy...

Peace

a reply to: dfnj2015

Then one must explain how the famous Trump dossier appeared. It was a thing of value per your description, directly provided the Clinton campaign who paid cash for it, it resulted from the work of a former British spy, whom gathered and bought the salacious material from the Russian community of ex spies. How is one is illegal but not the other ?

a reply to: dfnj2015

what would that make these then done by the democrats even before the election was finished?

www.politico.com...

onald Trump wasn’t the only presidential candidate whose campaign was boosted by officials of a former Soviet bloc country. Ukrainian government officials tried to help Hillary Clinton and undermine Trump by publicly questioning his fitness for office. They also disseminated documents implicating a top Trump aide in corruption and suggested they were investigating the matter, only to back away after the election. And they helped Clinton’s allies research damaging information on Trump and his advisers, a Politico investigation found.A Ukrainian-American operative who was consulting for the Democratic National Committee met with top officials in the Ukrainian Embassy in Washington in an effort to expose ties between Trump, top campaign aide Paul Manafort and Russia, according to people with direct knowledge of the situation. The Ukrainian efforts had an impact in the race, helping to force Manafort’s resignation and advancing the narrative that Trump’s campaign was deeply connected to Ukraine’s foe to the east, Russia. But they were far less concerted or centrally directed than Russia’s alleged hacking and dissemination of Democratic emails.

so yeah another example of sure its ok when dems do it but oh god forbid trump ask questions of another leader and

A daughter of Ukrainian immigrants who maintains strong ties to the Ukrainian-American diaspora and the U.S. Embassy in Ukraine, Chalupa, a lawyer by training, in 2014 was doing pro bono work for another client interested in the Ukrainian crisis and began researching Manafort’s role in Yanukovych’s rise, as well as his ties to the pro-Russian oligarchs who funded Yanukovych’s political party. In an interview this month, Chalupa told Politico she had developed a network of sources in Kiev and Washington, including investigative journalists, government officials and private intelligence operatives. While her consulting work at the DNC this past election cycle centered on mobilizing ethnic communities — including Ukrainian-Americans — she said that, when Trump’s unlikely presidential campaign began surging in late 2015, she began focusing more on the research, and expanded it to include Trump’s ties to Russia, as well.

i mean can you not understand how trump feels the way he does about this tainted investigation?

www.wsj.com... from WSJ

The Biden clan still needs to explain why a vice president’s son was enjoying a $50,000-per-month gig for which his principal qualification appears to have been his last name. But Joe Biden isn’t the only pillar of the Democratic establishment who won’t enjoy the new spotlight on American relations with Ukraine. And President Donald Trump isn’t the only one who wants a fuller accounting of that country’s role in the 2016 U.S. presidential election. In a letter released on Monday morning, Republican senators Chuck Grassley of Iowa and Ron Johnson of Wisconsin ask U.S. Attorney General William Barr if he’s trying to answer the lingering questions: We write to follow up on Senator Grassley’s July 20, 2017 letter, which highlighted brazen efforts by the Democratic National Committee and Hillary Clinton campaign to use the government of Ukraine for the express purpose of finding negative information on then candidate Trump in order to undermine his campaign. That letter also highlighted news reports that, during the 2016 presidential election, “Ukrainian government officials tried to help Hillary Clinton and undermine Trump” and did so by “disseminat[ing] documents implicating a top Trump aide in corruption and suggest[ing] they were investigating the matter[.]” Ukrainian officials also reportedly “helped Clinton’s allies research damaging information on Trump and his advisers.” The senators aren’t relying on reports from conservative bloggers. The quotations come from a 2017 story in Politico, hardly a pro-Trump outfit. “Ukrainian efforts to sabotage Trump backfire,” read the headline on the article by Kenneth P. Vogel and David Stern. “Kiev officials are scrambling to make amends with the president-elect after quietly working to boost Clinton,” said the subhead of the article, which was published shortly before Mr. Trump’s inauguration. The authors reported that Ukrainian government officials “helped Clinton’s allies research damaging information on Trump and his advisers” with the goal of “advancing the narrative that Trump’s campaign was deeply connected to Ukraine’s foe to the east, Russia.” With the benefit of hindsight and the results of the Mueller investigation, it’s now clear that there was no evidence of Trump campaign collusion with Russia. What is not clear and what demands further investigation is how this baseless claim managed to consume the first two years of an American presidency.

so again this article goes to show why exactly hes so frustrated with the democrats double standards

a reply to: willzilla

20 years nothing...MY tax dollars want a gallows built on the steps of The Capitol Building to save money, time and effort when thwarting the next coup.

originally posted by: DJMSN
a reply to: dfnj2015

Then one must explain how the famous Trump dossier appeared. It was a thing of value per your description, directly provided the Clinton campaign who paid cash for it, it resulted from the work of a former British spy, whom gathered and bought the salacious material from the Russian community of ex spies. How is one is illegal but not the other ?

It's too bad Trump admitted he broke the law.