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In 1996, a group of scientists claimed to have found evidence for microscopic fossils of bacteria in the meteorite, suggesting that these organisms also originated on Mars. The claims immediately made headlines worldwide, culminating in then-U.S. president Bill Clinton giving a speech about the potential discovery.[
originally posted by: Blue Shift
originally posted by: schuyler
But we ARE here, and that proves it. It's the Anthropic Principle.
Well, I certainly can't prove that the universe will still be here without me in it, and after I'm dead you sure won't be able to prove it to me. Was the universe here before I was born? Dinosaur fossils? Cosmic Background Radiation? Bah. Without me here, they wouldn't exist, either.
originally posted by: schuyler
I think you need to look up the Anthropic Principle and study the issue a little more carefully. It's not really about you, personally, or whether or not you are alive. Here: en.wikipedia.org...
originally posted by: Raggedyman
a reply to: neoholographic
The universe is not fine tuned to create life
We seem to be the only life in existence, doesn’t seem very fine tuned at all
In fact everything seems very hostile even on this little planet, just in case you didn’t notice
Life seems fine tuned to create life, not the universe
Water is at the top of the list of ingredients that make life possible. It dissolves nutrients for organisms to eat, transports important chemicals within living cells, and allows those cells to get rid of waste. Data indicates Europa may have plenty of water – a salty ocean beneath its crust that contains more water than Earth's ocean. Scientists also think there's a rocky seafloor at the bottom of the ocean. The interaction between the ocean and the rocks could possibly supply chemical nutrients for living organisms.
The best evidence that there's an ocean on Europa was gathered by NASA's Galileo spacecraft, which orbited Jupiter from 1995 to 2003. The spacecraft made 12 close flybys of Europa and one of its instruments, a magnetometer, detected that a magnetic field was being created within Europa as Jupiter's powerful magnetic field swept past the moon. Scientists think the most likely thing that could create this magnetic signature is a global ocean of salty water.
Europa's surface also shows signs it could have an ocean beneath it. Images from Galileo and other spacecraft show that the surface doesn't have many craters from meteorite impacts like other moons in the solar system. Scientists think geologic activity, like warmer ice rising from below, could be erasing the craters over time.
Scientists have discovered nitrogen- and oxygen- containing organic molecules in ice grains blown out by Saturn’s moon Enceladus, according to a new study.
Gas giants Saturn and Jupiter are orbited by some moons that almost seem more like planets themselves. One such moon is Saturn’s Enceladus, an icy orb thought to contain a very deep subsurface water ocean beneath a thick icy crust. Finding organic molecules on Enceladus is exciting, since water plus energy plus organic molecules might be the ingredients for life.
Enceladus blasted the material out in plumes from cracks in its south polar crust. The plumes carry a mixture of material from the moon’s rocky core and subsurface ocean. The Cassini mission flew through these plumes in 2004 and 2008, gathering data on the material with two of its instruments, the Ion and Neutral Mass Spectrometer (INMS) and the Cosmic Dust Analyser (CDA). For the new study, researchers based in Germany and the United States took a deeper look at the CDA’s data and found new organic compounds, according to the paper published in the Monthly Notices of the Royal Astronomical Society.
The molecules included amines, which are nitrogen- and oxygen-containing organic molecules similar to those on Earth that turn into amino acids. As a reminder, “organic” in this case simply means “containing carbon,” though these are the kind of compounds that can produce the complex molecules found in life on Earth.
originally posted by: neoholographic
a reply to: Raggedyman
You will also have to show that the fantasy of Abiogenesis and not panspermiais how life originates.
originally posted by: Advantage
As long as they dont tell me the nazis have a base on mars.. ooops it wasnt the moon.. Im fine with whatever. Unless its a parasite. I dont think we need another parasite hitchhiking to earth on a space rock. Im hearing octopus ( like 33 scientists claim this and now they say they are superiorly super smarties), arachnids of all kinds, cuttlefish, some virus, are not native to earth. I dont need a super smart Martian terrestrial octopus thats smarter than me hanging around. I say we nuke Mars from space now. Its the only way to be sure.
originally posted by: Soylent Green Is People
originally posted by: JON666
a reply to: neoholographic
Microbial life? BFD what does that prove? Has Mars someway devolved to microbial life from fully formed city building entities? Most people would have no problem with this concept of microbial life.
If microbial life is found on Mars, and (importantly) if that life is found to be different enough from Earth life to have had a totally independent beginning than life on Earth, that would strongly suggest that life is extremely common in the universe.
That is to say, if life arose separately and independently on (at least) two planets in the same solar system, that would probably mean that the ability for life to arise is not a rare thing.
Right now, we have no idea how rare or common life is, since we are the only known example of it.
Having said that, I don't think the common person would have a problem or feel the need to reevaluate their life if microbes were found on Mars. 100+ years ago when Percival Lowell said that he thinks Mars had a civilization, the masses/average person believed it, but it didn't change their lives.